Just tourists, you Islamophobe. On the other hand, their behavior was curious, and the site makes it even more so. "Curious tales emerge about site of lakeside 2010 G8 summit," by Roy MacGregor for the Globe and Mail, August 25 (thanks to Anita):
HUNTSVILLE, ONT. — 'Creepy." That is how just-turned-14-year-old Dara Howell describes her experience earlier this month on a beach directly opposite the Muskoka resort site that will host the 2010 G8 Economic Summit.The Howell family is into a third generation of running popular Pow Wow Point Lodge, which sits on a small bay on Peninsula Lake across from sprawling Deerhurst Resort, where two years from now the soon-to-be-decided president of the United States will gather with the political heads of Great Britain, France, Russia, Italy, Germany, Japan and, of course, Canada.
If you want a good view of Deerhurst, you can't do better than Pow Wow.
On Friday, Aug. 8, a vehicle pulled into the Pow Wow parking lot and discharged six men, all dressed in what the locals would call "city clothes" - including dark slacks and leather-soled dress shoes.
Without bothering to check with the office, they went down to the beach and began taking photographs of each other, each time with Deerhurst - including the cupola that rides over the main building - in the background.
"All I can say," says Doug Howell, Dara's father and the current lodge owner, "is that it was strange. So out of character for Pow Wow. And believe me, we get a lot here."
Stereotyping happens easily in Cottage Country, where city slickers are instantly recognized, locals are often patronized and heritage carries its usual, if politically incorrect, clichés. The lodge caters heavily to German tourists, so punctuality and organized activity play large at Pow Wow, as do tales of convoys of Japanese tourists coming in the fall to photograph a single maple that turns a particular shade of red.
These six English-speaking men appeared to be of Middle-Eastern origin. But what really set them apart was their complete unfamiliarity with a beach. It was not only their unlikely dress, but a sense that they were "faking" play in order to pose for photographs.
Told this wasn't a public beach, the men asked if it was all right if they just "hung out" for a while. Told they'd need to take a room in order to stay, they asked for a single room - one bed - and paid by credit card. The six men - one very young, the others in their 30s and 40s - returned to their "play," at one point attempting to paddle a towing tube around the docks.
They asked to be taken out on the lodge's pontoon boat, which is usually used for the evening "Moonlight Cruise." Dara Howell, who happened to be at the waterfront, checked and was told if they paid for the gas she could. She was caught off guard when only one of the men boarded.
Unsure what to do, she continued on. The man asked that she encircle completely the point on which Deerhurst lies and, at each opening, take a photograph of him, with Deerhurst always in the background. "It was creepy," she says. "He wanted pictures from all the way around - and always two pictures. It was weird." At 5 p.m. it began to rain. By 5:30 the men had packed back into their vehicle and left, room and bed untouched.
As the stories poured into the small lodge office, Doug Howell began to wonder what this had been all about: could there be any connection to the G8? One of his staff warned him to beware of "racial profiling" and he decided to let it go. But when he couldn't sleep for wondering, he finally contacted the local detachment of the Ontario Provincial Police, who immediately called the RCMP, who were very interested in the details.
Unfortunately, there were hardly any. No one had photographed the men. No one had written down the licence plate. All they had was a credit card number, with no idea where it could lead - and no sense, really where this strange tale leads at all, if anywhere....
Most "Canadians"are very pc and do not want to appear racist in any way to the point of what happened above, no one was smart enough to take apicture of these men. but perhaps the visa information the RCMP can get detailed information.
We are always taught you cannot judge people, so common sense flys out the window. You would think just how does six men go out to resort area without women and children, and not dressed to enjoy the outdoors. l am glad at that at least the owner of the resort had enough common sense to ignore his employee and call the RCMP!
One of his staff warned him to beware of "racial profiling" and he decided to let it go.
Political correctness is going to get all of us killed (or enslaved). When will we get over it? Are we so afraid of even appearing bigoted that we can't ask questions?
THEY AREN'T!
I agree, most Canadians are so politically comatose that it will take our own 9/11 to bring us into reality.
Photograph license plates of suspicious characters!
And let racial profiling be damned. We are at war with Islam. If we were at war with Roman Catholics, I'd want photos of the Popemobile if it showed up in a sensitive spot!
I pray these jokers don't blow up one of my favourite parts of the world!
Hey, maybe there's no need to worry. They were just advance teams from the Secret Service checking every camera angle to know where to set up guards.
/sarc off
The only kind of profiling that I have noticed Canadians have no inhibitions about is profiling of those vulgarians they call "Americans." When it comes to Americans, in Canadian conversation, far too often, every conceivable cliche, no matter how comical and reductive and absurd, is perfectly acceptable.
"Canadians are so politically comatose"
There is truth to that. Canada has been governed primarily by leftards since WWII. Society has swung very left. It's a mess. An election is looming for October 14. The Conservative government will at best get another minority government and will remain handicapped amid a dysfunctional parliament and a bureaucracy filled with enough Liberal and NDP loons, appointed by previous governments, who prefer pandering to minorities including Muslims, terrorist or not, to gain votes. It's called selling your soul.
To illustrate the far left media in Canada and Hugh's comment, read this.
How sick.
Racial and religious profiling aside, what on earth was ever wrong with profiling creepy, out-of-place people as potential criminals or terrorists? If your gut instinct tells you someone shouldn't be there, you're right. And Canadians' guts seem to be smarter and more reliable than their heads.
Sounder, I read your linked article. I am not a bit dismayed or astonished, evidently the writer is not aware that american politics is about as authentic as professional wrestling. Both Obama and Mccain are globalists, and they each have more in common with each other than they do with the majority of patriotic americans.
The people who donate to Obama also donate to mccain. The people who give them money do not give them money for altruistic reasons. They get something out of it.
99 percent of it is theatre.
The chances are much higher that either one when elected president will converse and talk with middle eastern dictators then they will meet and talk with midwestern corn farmers.
With two years to go, the authorities should find some excuse to change the venue. Anything from Native American spiritual negatives, to bad juju to an infestation of bugs will do.
Then find another place for this conference, and secure the surroundings properly.
There are so many extremist groups with grudges against the G-8 that it might be hard to pin this episode on the Islamics. There are all the enviro-wackos: Greenpeace and the Kyoto-protocol gang. Plus all those opposed to NAFTA and various other trade agreements. And those who want Russia booted from G-8. I think the Islamics will have to stand in line to get a crack at them.
If only these groups could be persuaded to realize that the Islamic threat to the world is greater than any of their own pet peeves. If only Greenpeace would go after Iran for its nuclear program, and the anti-NAFTA crowd converted to an anti-OPEC gang.
I'm guessing that they reported a lot more details about these men to the RCMP than the article lets on. A "vehicle" drives up and six men get out. They had to see what kind of vehicle; large sedan, SUV, mini-van, full-size van, limo, or crew-cab pick-up. Also what make of vehicle. And surely they noticed if it had Ontario plates, or plates from any of the other provinces, or from the U.S. states most common in that area. And what kind of accent, if any, they had. After all, they noticed they were wearing dres shoes!
This whole episode reminds me of an experience of a great-grandfather [on the father's side] of mine, and his family, during the First World War.
I quote, from the family history:
"...one incident, in the pioneering days of 1914, had a dramatic sequel.
'Just about the time World War I was declared, Robert [surname] had engaged Mr [NAME] to haul logs with his bullock team off the land he was clearing, when unexpected visitors arrived.
'These were reputedly Geologists from Germany, on an expedition to the Mountains [very distinctive local landmarks, visible from well out to sea if you are sailing parallel to the coast] led by Prof Richards, professor of geology...
'They showed a keen interest in the surroundings, taking many snapshots of the children [my great-aunts and uncles] sitting on high logs and stumps, always choosing one of the Mountains as a background. The children were given a few pennies and sixpences for posing, little suspecting their [the visitors'] motives.
'It was revealed later that the visitors were German spies interested in the topography of the land, planning to use the mountains as navigation points for their warships.
'About that time the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were in the Pacific being hunted by the first 'Australia' [navy ship] while the Emden was sinking ships in the Indian Ocean..."
'Some of the Germans' colleagues were settled in the district and when arrested had many maps as incriminating evidence against them.
'Robert [NAME] {my great-grandfather - dda} had become suspicious when they started photographing the Mountains and were so particular to arrange a perfect background. Prof Richard was very disturbed too, when he discovered they [his guests] were spies...".
No qualms about 'profiling' in those days! And note the presence of a Fifth Column.
So: kudos to the people at the Pow Wow Point Lodge, who seem to have had 'something funny going on' antennae at least as sensitive as those of my great-grandfather.
Canadian jihadwatchers - perhaps it's now your job to write to these people and commend them on their watchfulness. Tell them to ignore all the 'pc' stuff and trust their instincts, which are likely to be excellent.
That family has spent three generations observing ALL the follies and foibles that humanity is capable of, as manifested by different ethno-cultural groups...if *their* BS detectors and "something is not right" alarms were going off in all directions, sufficient to override the PC dampeners, then I say - something BAD *was* going on.
They should redouble their watchfulness not only around the Lodge and the lake, but in town; and ANYTHING that strikes them, or the locals, as 'odd' or frightening should be recorded - use cell phone cameras to record license plates and the faces of suspicious strangers.
Canadian jihadwatchers - this is your call. If you live in the area, how about taking the Powell family a full set of Mr Spencer's books, with a suitable covering letter?
It might be worthwhile sussing out the location of the nearest known mosque and Mohammedan colony.
During World War I and World War II ALL Australians of German descent were 'profiled' and watched as a matter of course. I say that as the descendant, on my mother's side, of German immigrants who were - in their case - entirely innocent of any Kaiserish or Hitlerist sentiments. But I can fully understand why such profiling took place.
Canadians should not be ashamed of watching the Mohammedans (of whatever ethnic/ linguistic background they may be) in their neighbourhoods; given that although it was possible to be of German ancestry in Canada, Australia or the USA and NOT be a spy for the Kaiser or in WWII a Nazi sympathiser, *every* Mohammedan who has not publicly and decisively apostasised from the ideology of Islam must, from a practical and prudential kafir point of view, be regarded as a potential Fifth Columnist in this War of Self-Defence Against the Third Jihad.
When it comes to Americans, in Canadian conversation, far too often, every conceivable cliche, no matter how comical and reductive and absurd, is perfectly acceptable.
Hugh that is more in the east of Canada, especially Toronto, and BC. in the middle like the US, Red State thinking is more pro US. Hugh you have many Democrats from the far leftist MoveOn.org types who are anti US, anti Israel, anti Western Culture, this thinking is from mainly a far left liberal thinking which is unfortunately infested in WEstern countries and knows no borders.
Islam immigration to Canada is a blight and a prospective tragedy.
Think of it the next time one hears islamic cries and whines about "picking on us poor muslims".
Hey a-holes, you deserve to be picked on - here's a quarter, phone someone who cares (like your self hating Human Rights Commission who want to keep their useless jobs).
And speaking of Canuckers criticizing Americans -
it's group envy.
Like when you hear an aging rocker dissing American Women - how pathetic - they're usually the most talented and best looking babes around.
Have often confronted an unthinking Canuck dissing America - and one asks - is this how you feel about the American Marine (upon whose resolve your very safety lies) and if one still gets a negative response - then one knows one has scratched a useless lefty or a limousine liberal, or a transplanted Hollywood poseur (like daddy Sutherland).
Bless America.
"The only kind of profiling that I have noticed Canadians have no inhibitions about is profiling of those vulgarians they call "Americans." When it comes to Americans, in Canadian conversation, far too often, every conceivable cliche, no matter how comical and reductive and absurd, is perfectly acceptable.
Posted by: Hugh"
Hugh, dgene and others,
With all due respect, first let me say that personally I have a great deal of admiration for the USA, and most individual Americans I have met or known have been friendly and generous. In Canada, we actually study American history along with Canadian history. Anything that happens to your country affects ours, due to your size and strength. There are ten times more of you than there are of us. The majority of television shows, movies and magazines here are American. Americans own a great deal of this country. You have protected us, stood ready to defend us, and helped us in times of need, and we have done the same for you. We are each other's greatest friends and allies. Rarely have there been two nations who have shared so much more than just a border.
But when it comes to stereotyping, we have nothing on you! We actually do get people crossing the border with skis on their cars in the middle of summer. The Great White North is covered in snow all year round, isn't it? Don't y'all live in igloos? Cliches, yes, but true. I was once asked if I knew who Bob Dylan is. We know WAAAAY more about the United States than Americans know about Canada. But then, Americans don't need to know about us. We aren't that important.
Whenever I hear someone "dissing" the United States, I always say, Tell me one other nation in the entire world beside which you would rather live? Tell me one other country with which you would prefer to share a border? This response always leads to an abashed look, a mumbled response, and a change of subject.
Yes, we are politically correct to the point of nausea, and often too "nice and polite" for our own good. So is the entire Western world, at the moment. Canada is no worse, and our military is making a valiant effort in Afghanistan. So tell me, is there another nation beside which you would prefer to live?
I applaud the good folks at Pow Wow Point Lodge, and will let them know it. And I'm going to share this article with everyone I know. And I warn those nasty jihadis - start blowing up Canada's sacred cottage country and you'll sorely regret it!
"Sounder, I read your linked article. I am not a bit dismayed or astonished, evidently the writer is not aware that american politics is about as authentic as professional wrestling."
Stickman,
Never have I heard a more apt description of our politics!
All I know about Canada I learned from watching the MacKenzie brothers -- Bobbie and Dougie -- on TV. Wish they were still on.
ImNoDhimmi,
I agree with just about everything you say. I believe the border between our two countries is the longest unprotected border in the world.
We still remember Canada's assistance on 9/11 when thousands of planes were diverted to Canada after US airspace was closed.
Both countries have liberals who preach diversity but feel free to degrade anyone and anything that doesn't meet their standards. Political correctness is everywhere. No one is immune.
We also see (or think we see) that Canada sees a need to separate itself from the US. Your media keep pointing out how different Canada is from the US. The problem is they can only do it by denigrating the US government and most Americans.
Michael Adams published a book, "Fire and Ice", where he assures his fellow Canadians that the two countries are indeed moving apart. Americans were becoming more socially conservative, fat and deferential to authority figures, while Canadians were becoming more tolerant, open to risk and willing to question the institutions that governed them.
Margaret Drabble wrote in 2003 of how much she loathed America and Americans. In her own words: My anti-Americanism has possessed me. It has become uncontrollable.
These authors might not be representative of Canadian attitudes toward Americans but theirs is the dominant view we hear about in the American press.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/06/24/theo-caldwell-the-bright-side-of-canada-s-anti-american-reflex.aspx
"In Canada, a sure-fire way to squelch debate on an issue is to accuse one's opponent of advocating for an "Americanstyle" solution. From health care to handguns, the spectre of American encroachment upon cherished Canadian values is used to drown reason and stifle dissent."
A Canadian Human Rights Commission "anti-hate" enforcer Dean Steacy famously remarked, "Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value."
PMK,
It's sad, isn't it, that some Canadians are so anti American.
For me, and any thinking Canadian, the spectre of islamic encroachment upon cherished Canadian values is the scariest, most horrifying scenario imaginable.
dumbeldoresarmy (mature handle btw),
Enjoyed your tirade on Aug. 31st, a parting shot as the blog "Mattson, standing tall" was shut down and archived...you left me no recourse to respond to you?
You cut and pasted things I doubt you have even reasearched, and I comment based on my research.
Yes, some common threads are noticed...if I continually argue 1 + 1 = 2 does that mean there is some grand scheme behind it? Derp. No, it's just the facts.
Let's destroy a myth, shall we,
"They will never say about the fallacies in Koran like “Sky is a dome on imaginary pillars”, “Sun sets in mud”, “sun revolving around the earth” etc."
To keep it simple for you, we'll just focus on one, shall we?
“Sun sets in mud”,
I challenge you to explain this one sentence and what you think the Quran is saying. From the cut and paste volumes in your 'extremely verbose' posting on Aug. 31st this should be child's play for you.
Your turn.
ImNoDhimmi, l agree with you especially when you ask a stupid Cdn person making anti US remarks about would you rather share a border with the US or Russia? and also l ask how often do you travel to the US for shopping, summer vacations, etc, must mean you really like US eh! lol..
Most people take the MSM's word on what the rest of what the rest of the world thinks of the US, but when you travel and talk to ordinary citizens, even in Europe, you hear often admiration of the US. The MSM's own worldview is liberal, and show they themselves show anti US/Israel views, and believe the rest of the world does as well. AFter 9-11, many French citizens brought out Am.flags and showed support as was shown on TV! Cdns have sometimes an inferiority complex with our big brothers/sisters to the south, often when watching PBS history on WW1 &WW2 they never mention the thousands of Cdns killed in battles, and never mention how heroic Cdns were in battle, we are lumped with the Brits. l rember my uncle saying he wish he had a Cdn flag during his tour during WW2!
We just need to realize liberals are the same worldwide in the WEst. yes God Bless AMerica who helps keeps the world free, with help from her friends,, ie Cdns!
To keep it simple for you, we'll just focus on one, shall we?
“Sun sets in mud”,
I challenge you to explain this one sentence and what you think the Quran is saying. From the cut and paste volumes in your 'extremely verbose' posting on Aug. 31st this should be child's play for you.
Your turn.
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at September 2, 2008 1:43 PM
What's your question, whether or not the Qur'an literally means that the Sun sets in a pool of mud per 18:86?
I do not believe that to be literal, but rather what was observed, per Ibn Kathir.
awake,
This was a response to dumbledoresarmy on another thread...an extensive tear on how he thought all Muslims follow a play book in arguements.
Obviously he has never considered the same things keep coming up because they are true, not under some grand debate shceme (pushaw, what a laugh!)
You are correct, it was only a physical observation of a place in time where the sun set over a pool of murky water, not "in it".
DA claims: "They will never say about the fallacies in Koran like “Sky is a dome on imaginary pillars”, “Sun sets in mud”, “sun revolving around the earth” etc. If you draw their attention to these fallacies, they will copy and paste crap again which is totally illogical and irrational. You will be again advised to read Koran."
I challenge dumbledoresarmy to bring up anything he thinks a "Muslim" will "never say about"...and see where the discussion goes between he and I.
I doubt he has the civility or the patience to deal with the truth, and I say he would break before I do.
Might be fun to watch? Or boring...what do you think?
Peace
Abdullah Mikail, here is a link describing the "sun setting in mud" references in the Qur'an, and here is another.
Be sure to let us know which is the correct translation: does the sun set in "murky" water, or "warm" water? Is it a "well", or a "spring"?
Abdullah Mikail said
The following is a quote from the second link provided, by P. Newton and M. Rafiqul-Haqq:
More to the point:
Choose your response, ad hominem or tu quoque?
Ladies and gentlemen
observe.
Observe that A.M., our latest Mohammedan visitor, started out with an insult, by sneering at my nom de plume. Note also the aggressive, sneering tone of both his posts concerning me.
Observe also that he has not in fact disproven anything that I said. He has merely zeroed in on one small part of a rather amusing and instructive article I shared, in an earlier thread, for people to think about; a short piece in which someone described the stages through which a discussion between a Muslim and a non-Muslim may often pass.
Neither I nor the original writer said that any particular exchange would necessarily involve *all* of those stages and tactics: A.M's debate with 'Concerned Citizen' in the Ingrid Mattson thread certainly did not.
The writer, identified as someone who had spent time on internet forums debating Muslims, stated merely that the Muslim debater could be expected to evade discussing embarrassing unscientific statements in the Qur'an, such as the stuff about the sun and the muddy pool. I don't think the author meant that ALL Muslims would do so every time; just that evasion is a common tactic.
Frankly, I wouldn't bother raising that particular canard. I don't care what Mohammed thought or taught about the sun, jinns, camel urine, toileting, body hair, etc. If Muslims want to shave all their body hair off because Mohammed said so, I don't give a damn.
All I'm interested in is what Islam - Islam in Qur'an, Sira, Hadith and their standard interpreters past and present - plainly tells Muslims to do to apostates and women and non-Muslims; and what Muslims have most manifestly done, over and over and over, right across the Islamosphere, in strict conformity with those texts and those teachings, from the 6th century to the 21st. And, frankly, *that* sickens me.
In the thread discussing Ingrid Mattson, after a long exchange in the comments between A. M. and 'Concerned Citizen', I decided it would be appropriate, for the future education of other kafir readers who might come across it when exploring the archives, and feel completely puzzled by A.M's style of speech, to post some materials that I had on file, which described in different ways the observed speech conduct of Mohammedans when arguing with Infidels.
One might sum up Muslim rhetoric in one word: aggression.
I copied and saved the original pieces, because when I originally read them - and they comprise a range of sources, including two pieces by former Muslims, one of which was Ibn Warraq's incisive three-part discussion of ' How to Debate a Muslim', and an article from this website which listed twelve of the standard accusations by which Muslims attempt to neutralise people like Mr Spencer - they 'rang true'.
As for copying and pasting -
I never copy-and-paste anything unless it is something that I have read, and reflected on, and comprehended, and squirrelled away, and that I regard as potentially useful for others.
Observe the way that A. M. is talking at me, and about me, in two of his postings above. Note the insulting sneer at my nom de plume; note the dismissive language, the aggression, and the projection of that aggression onto me.
Now reflect on these observations from another poster here, some years ago, who had spent a lot of time on internet forums arguing with Muslims.
I re-post this person's observations because they make sense to me. I agree with every word; because I have seen this sort of behaviour by Muslims over and over again, on this comments floor, and I think the summary can hardly be bettered.
"The Muslims use the following tactics, in self defense when exposed.
'l. They attack the source, the ad hominem. CHECK.
'2. they change the subject, and if possible try to impugn your character and make you the subject CHECK failing that distract, distort, deny. CHECK.
'3. They cry hate and try to put the kaffir on a guilt trip: they are quick learners, because guilt is an alien concept in Islam, but it is both a defect and humanizing in westerners.
'I get the hate charge thrown at me all of the time, with the expectation I'll go on the defensive and thus change the subject so they can go on the attack.
'Doesn't work on me, I'm a quick learner and I've studied Muslims and learn what I needed from them.
'4. Lastly, the operating word to describe Muslims is aggressive (like the operating word to describe Judeo Christians is guilt); always expect them to be aggressive CHECK and cry persecution and foul, even when they initiate aggression.
'The leit motif is that the kafir (like the Israels or Amriki in Iraq) are not supposed to defend themselves when they attack; in the Muslim world defense by the kufr is aggression.'
- Posted by: Giaour at May 21, 2005 12:59 AM
'Giaour', 'Ayesha Ahmed' in her very funny and instructive posting on Ali Sina's Faithfreedom site, 'How to Debate and Frustrate Infidels', and 'Infidel' from 'Islam Watch', all agree that Muslims in debate frequently resort to insults and ad hominem.
Q. E. D.
I am not going to engage in any further - futile - exchange with A. M, on the subject of Muslim debating behaviour, since so far he has very successfully sidetracked this thread from what it is supposed to be discussing: a worrying incident in which a group of 'Middle Eastern' men - most likely Muslim (would anyone here believe they were Coptic Christians, or Jews?) - behaved in a highly suspicious manner in a location in Canada that will be hosting the G8 summit next year.
They appeared to be 'scoping out' the location. They were - frankly - behaving like spies, and their behaviour was strange enough to set off alarm bells in the people who saw them; people who from long experience know the ways in which holidaymakers and tourists, from many different cultures, normally behave, and who therefore feel uneasy when someone claims to be a tourist but doesn't fit the pattern.
Read Malcolm Gladwell's book "Blink" and you will understand why I am taking the Howell family's misgivings completely seriously. They are 'experts' on tourist-and-visitor behaviour.
What we should be discussing here is how to encourage people across the kafir world to ignore the PC dampeners and - like the Howells - trust their instincts. How to encourage ordinary citizens, and on-the-street law enforcement, to use 'profiling' intelligently.
People who have just come on board here are encouraged to read the story of a the Fort Dix Six in May 2007, who got caught when a teenage video store clerk saw the amateur jihad training footage that had been handed in to be copied onto dvd:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016350.php
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/016472.php
(the article is, tellingly, titled 'Should I Call Someone or Is That Being Racist?'). Read this exchange, and think about the Howells of Pow Wow Point, and Mr Howell lying awake all night worrying about what he'd seen, and whether he should report it:
"Throughout the 90-minute-long tape, above the booming gunfire at a Pennsylvania target range, the jihadists could be heard screaming "God is great!"
"The two employees "freaked out," their co-worker recalled.
"At first, the teenage clerk didn't know what to do, his pal said.
"Dude, I just saw some really weird s-," he frantically told his co-worker. "I don't know what to do. Should I call someone or is that being racist?"
"The fellow employee tried to calm his friend and told him that if what he saw terrified him so much, he should tell the police."
'Dude, I just saw some really weird sh!t'. The perfect words for the genuine 'this is BAAD stuff' feeling.
Then there's *this* story, Goose Creek Jihad:
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/017662.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017668.php
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/017968.php
about the highway cops who pulled over a couple of Mohammedans for speeding, and then - their gut instincts activated (I quote from the second article linked) -
"Officers became suspicious because the men quickly put away a laptop computer and couldn't immediately say what they were doing in the area or where they were going" -
decided to search the car and found explosives in the boot and jihad-related material on a laptop.
Moral of the story: if anyone here sees "some really weird sh!t" then - go with your instincts, especially if the bad feeling has to do with a field you know well.
The Howells *know* tourist behaviour; the video store clerk had seen 1001 action movies and home videos and somehow *this* one piece of footage set his alarms jangling; the police...well, beat cops have a pretty good sixth sense.
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at September 2, 2008 6:35 PM
Point taken, but DDA is far from a chronic mindless cut and paster. Actually there was no "gotcha" moment as far as I could see.
You will certainly win no points here Abdullah, though you are certainly welcome to try. Some battles will end in your favor though the war is already lost. In time, this will be apparent to you.
Your questions are easily answered, once the framing is established. I will of course, be respectful as long as the courtesy is reciprocated.
Regards.
For another very telling example of a kafir on the 'front-line' trusting their instinct, we have Customs Inspector Jose Melendez-Perez' encounter with Al-Qahtani, a man suspected of having planned to be the 20th hijacker [and who was later captured while fighting as a jihadist in Afghanistan and taken to Guantanamo].
The whole story is here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000744.php#comments
And this is the 'money quote':
'As an interpreter grilled him about his travel plans, the "arrogant" Saudi grew visibly angry, he [Perez] recalled.
"When the subject looked at me, I felt a bone-chilling, cold effect," he added.
'He wondered if the Saudi was "possibly a hit man - but my wife said I've been watching too many movies."'
Perez trusted his bad feeling, and ordered that Al-Qahtani be deported (which was done) rather than being admitted to the States.
One must remember that Melendez-Perez, given his job, would have had ample practice in 'reading' people.
If he said Qahtani gave him "a bone-chilling, cold effect" and felt like "a hit man" then he was probably right.
If the RCMP is interested in the three Muslims (one hijabed woman walking between two males) I saw recently walking down a remote country road in Mavilette, Nova Scotia, recently - I did take pictures.
I took them because those three were so out of place there, as they walked up the hill from Mavilette Beach.
We all have to be vigilant.
When I was last at the airport - I helped the authorities by explaining a suspicious package - because I saw who placed it there - but only to tell them that I thought the package was - okay.
They asked me if the person looked - nervous - and they did not.
Thing is they are risking their lives to protect us - and that was all I could do to help.
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Though I did see a guy who did look suspicious that day - he was an Islamic man who had an old bag (smaller than luggage size) - and dishevelled clothes – all of which seemed out of place in the airport - who seemed to be standing around - observing the place.