Dinesh D'Souza and I both spoke at FreedomFest in Las Vegas in July, although unfortunately we didn't debate each other. At one point we had a brief and friendly chat, during which I noticed that he was carrying a well-thumbed copy of Who Speaks for Islam by John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed. And now he has written another column about the book, showing that clearly he takes it very, very seriously -- demonstrating once again that when he speaks about Islam, Dinesh D'Souza has no true grasp of the subject, and is completely out of his depth.
"Who Speaks For Islam," by Dinesh D'Souza, September 15:
Who Speaks for Islam, written by John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed, is one of the most important books on the War on Terror. In the seven years since 9/11, we have been subjected to all kinds of ignorant pontification--much of it from the left, but some also from the right--on "why they hate us." This book, written by a leading scholar of Islam and the head of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, brings a wealth of real data to bear on this important subject.
Esposito a "leading scholar of Islam": Esposito has taken $20 million from Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal and renamed his Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding the Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. Prince Alwaleed tried to give $10 million to New York City after 9/11, but Rudolph Giuliani returned the check after Alwaleed suggested that 9/11 was a consequence of U.S. foreign policy.
That alone, of course, doesn't indicate what John Esposito is all about. But there is more about whom he has praised and whom he has damned that reveals a great deal about where he really stands. Esposito has called Bernard Lewis, whom D'Souza has repeatedly cited and praised, "one of the Darth Vaders of the world."
Esposito has praised Muslim Brotherhood Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who advocates suicide bombings, as a champion of a "reformist interpretation of Islam and its relationship to democracy, pluralism and human rights."
Esposito has spoken at a Council on American-Islamic Relations fundraiser in order to "show solidarity not only with the Holy Land Fund [that is, the Holy Land Foundation], but also with CAIR." The Holy Land Foundation is accused of funneling money to the jihad terror group Hamas, and CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in the case. CAIR is a spinoff of the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), which is listed in the 1991 Muslim Brotherhood memorandum on strategy in the U.S. as part of its "grand jihad" aimed at "eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within."
Esposito has said of a man who pleaded guilty to aiding the jihad terror group Palestinian Islamic Jihad that "Sami Al-Arian's a very good friend of mine."
Esposito has co-edited a book with Azzam Tamimi. Palestinian political scientist Muhammad Muslih calls Tamimi "a Hamas member." Tamimi has said: "I admire the Taliban; they are courageous." He has said: "I support Hamas."
D'Souza goes on:
The book is full of fascinating data on Islamic radicalism, on Muslim support for democracy, on the role of women, and on the values of Western popular culture. At first glance the results seem confusing: An overwhelming majority of Muslims rejects 9/11 style terrorism but a significant number of Muslims support the Palestine suicide bombers. Huge majorities of Muslims support democracy but reject the Western understanding of rights and liberty. In fact, a substantial majority of Muslims--including Muslim women--support some form of sharia or Islamic holy law. Most Muslim women want equal rights but even champions of those rights emphatically reject Western-style feminism.
D'Souza takes Esposito's findings at face value, but there is ample reason to treat them with reserve. In The Weekly Standard, Robert Satloff exposes yet more that is wrong with the Saudi-funded Islamic apologist John Esposito's soothing "No Extremists Here" survey of the Islamic world:
Mogahed publicly admitted they knew certain people weren't moderates but they still termed them so. She and Esposito cooked the books and dumbed down the text. Apparently, by the authors' own test, there are not 91 million radicals in Muslim societies but almost twice that number. They must have shrieked in horror to find their original estimate on the high side of assessments made by scholars, such as Daniel Pipes, whom Esposito routinely denounces as Islamophobes. To paraphrase Mogahed, maybe it wasn't the most technically accurate way of doing this, but their neat solution seems to have been to redefine 78 million people off the rolls of radicals.The cover-up is even worse. The full data from the 9/11 question show that, in addition to the 13.5 percent, there is another 23.1 percent of respondents--300 million Muslims--who told pollsters the attacks were in some way justified. Esposito and Mogahed don't utter a word about the vast sea of intolerance in which the radicals operate.
And then there is the more fundamental fraud of using the 9/11 question as the measure of "who is a radical." Amazing as it sounds, according to Esposito and Mogahed, the proper term for a Muslim who hates America, wants to impose Sharia law, supports suicide bombing, and opposes equal rights for women but does not "completely" justify 9/11 is . . . "moderate."
Martin Kramer adds: "So Esposito and Mogahed believe that a Muslim who thinks that 9/11 was three-quarters justified or half-justified (perhaps that's bringing down just one of the Twin Towers?) is still a 'moderate.' This allows them to leap to the conclusion that terrorism in the name of Islam is just... well, an aberration, like violent crime in America."
And Hillel Fradkin, reviewing the book, notes a curious feature for what is supposed to be a study of survey data:
So who does speak for Islam? Apparently, Esposito and Mogahed do. For the book does not actually present the poll. It provides a very small and partial account of the responses to some questions, but fails to include even one table or chart of data. It does not even provide a clear list of the questions that were asked. The appendix, where one might expect to find questionnaires, charts, and tables, provides only a short narrative discussion of Gallup’s sampling techniques and general mode of operation.To a certain degree, the authors admit the bias of their presentation: “The study revealed far more than what we could possibly cover in one book, so we chose the most significant, and at times, surprising conclusions to share with you. Here are just some of those counterintuitive discoveries.” But this admission is ridiculously inadequate. After all, this is a book, not an article. In the end, the authors betray their own standard that “data should lead the discourse,” because there is no data. A reader without deep pockets cannot easily remedy this deficiency: the Gallup Organization charges $28,500 to access the data.
If not data, then what fills the pages of this book? In effect, we are given an opinion piece by Esposito and Mogahed—one not unlike the op-eds they decry, only much longer. Like op-eds, it is buttressed by anecdotal evidence, much of which is not even drawn from the survey. Indeed, given the partiality of the material they do draw from the survey, it too must be counted as anecdotal, notwithstanding the percentage signs which are scattered here and there. Moreover, the conclusions that Esposito and Mogahed draw, as well as their policy prescriptions, are indistinguishable from Esposito’s opinions, as expressed and disseminated in his books and articles long before Gallup polled its first Muslim. As in almost every Esposito product, the book even includes a chapter devoted to a description of the religion of Islam.
But to accept this book as an extended op-ed is not quite adequate. After all, Esposito claimed to apply a higher standard—that of “a man [who] should look for what is, and not what he thinks should be.” Seen in this light, the book is a confidence game or fraud, of which Esposito should be ashamed. So too should the Gallup Organization, its publisher.
But D'Souza, no doubt oblivious to all this, charges on:
What's going on here? Esposito and Mogahed argue that traditional Muslims, who make up the bulk of Muslims in every Muslim country, strongly identify with the Western principles of rule of law, self-government, and religious toleration.
How do they define these terms? D'Souza doesn't say. He probably doesn't know that "rule of law" and "religious toleration," in particular, can have vastly different meanings to Muslims from the meanings that most Americans take for granted.
D'Souza then goes on to try to portray the vast majority of Muslims as traditional conservatives:
[...] Esposito and Mogahed shrewdly note that the values of traditional Muslims worldwide are very similar to the values of traditional Jews and Christians in the West. For instance, only around 15 percent of Muslims in Europe consider homosexuality "morally acceptable." That's way below the figures for the general public in Britain, France and Germany. But when conservative and religious Europeans and Americans are polled, it turns out that the percentage of people who are fine with homosexuality is about the same as that of the traditional Muslims.
Can we get percentages on Muslim approval of polygamy? Wife-beating? Honor killing? Jihad violence? Islamic supremacism? I didn't think so.
Yes, I could say that I predicted all this in my book The Enemy at Home. But the great contribution of Esposito and Mogahed is to put a mountain of data behind these conclusions. Over six years their group has conducted tens of thousands of face-to-face surveys of Muslims in more than 35 countries making what they rightly call "the largest, most comprehensive study of contemporary Muslims ever done."This book is a huge embarrassment to some conservatives who, based on no data and very little familiarity with the Muslim world, have been portraying Muslims as violent theocrats who reject modern science, modern democracy and modern capitalism and spend most of their day performing honor killings and genital mutilations. This portrait of the Muslim world is about as accurate as that of a Muslim who believes that typical Americans live their daily lives according to the values of "Natural Born Killers" and "Brokeback Mountain."
I don't know of anyone, conservative or not, who portrays Muslims as "violent theocrats who reject modern science, modern democracy and modern capitalism and spend most of their day performing honor killings and genital mutilations," so I haven't the vaguest idea of who Dinesh D'Souza is talking about, but given the way Esposito and Mogahed cooked their data, the "huge embarrassment" is all D'Souza's.
At FreedomFest when we talked briefly, I invited D'Souza to debate again, in a longer format than the rushed CPAC affair. He agreed, although he hastened to say that, well, we would have to find the proper venue, etc. I hereby repeat the invitation.
Take the initiative: Suggest a venue!
What an airhead!
'Rule of Law' - sure thing: but for Muslims that means sharia. Not our 'man-made' law. Is that the same for D'Souza?
"values of traditional Muslims worldwide are very similar to the values of traditional Jews and Christians in the West. For instance, only around 15 percent of Muslims in Europe consider homosexuality "morally acceptable."
What cheep, immoral equivocation! Sophistry or outright deceit?
Is D'Souza hoping to get some of these petro-dollars that are keeping Esposito so comfy?
Is it possible D'Souza is as naive as it appears? Is he a man suffering from a severe case of cognitive dissonance? Maybe he is prospecting around for some petro dollars, or perhaps he has already struck black gold.
I think that D'Souza is so disgusted with the moral breakdown in the West (full disclosure: as am I) that he is casting about for allies -- in all the WRONG places, I might add. He seems to think a "traditionalist" is a "traditionalist"; and all are welcome in his foxhole in the Culture War.
Yet, as traditional Roman Catholic, conservative Italian American gal I think it matters to WHICH traditions one is adhering! And what is the CULT which underlies the CULTure one is fighting to preserve or restore.
He had better be careful. In WWII the partisans of France, Italy and Nazi occupied countries fought together when it suited their purposes, but as Communists, Christians and democrats they were fighting for VASTLY different visions. This became apparent when the Nazi enemy was vanquished. If hedonism, moral relevancy and moral equivalency are ever vanquished in the West and a strong vibrant Judeo Christian moral order is not there, Islam has already shown it is happy to rush in and fill the void.
Would that D'Souza was choosier about his foxhole buddies.
I think that D'Souza is so disgusted with the moral breakdown in the West (full disclosure: as am I) that he is casting about for allies -- in all the WRONG places, I might add. He seems to think a "traditionalist" is a "traditionalist"; and all are welcome in his foxhole in the Culture War.
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This seems right. It was D'Souza's cry right after 9/11. The zeal with which Americans in their seventies pursue the pleasures of life, including remarriage and sexual gratification unnerves him. He can't understand why they aren't just waiting to die.
This is a man who came to America and was welcomed. He complains about how hard it will be to raise his then-seven-year-old daughter but follows by saying that America offers his daughter more than she could get in any other country, including India.
He gave a litany of our sins in an effort to explain why Muslims don't view us with favor.
"They are disgusted by our culture, and we have to acknowledge that there is a good deal in American culture that is disgusting to normal sensibilities. They say our women are "loose," and in a sense they are right. Even their epithet for the United States, the Great Satan, is appropriate when we reflect that Satan is not a conqueror - he is a tempter. The Islamic militants fear that the idea of America is taking over their young people, breaking down allegiances to parents and religion and traditional community; this concern on their part is also justified."
- What's So Great About America
Personally, I find D'Souza's agreement that America is a tempter to be insulting and denigrating of all that we stand for.
Freedom is a temptation?
When was the Hugh embarrassment? I must have missed that.
Thanks to D'Souza's asinine insistence on making "morality" allies of Christians and Muslims, I no longer read his editorials on other subjects. If he's an idiot in one area, chances are he is an idiot in others.
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Fixed! Thank you.
Sheepishly,
Robert Spencer
A friendly suggestion to Dinesh: You seem very intelligent, and there is no question that you are very articulate. As they say in Computer Science, however, garbage in, garbage out. Be careful what you choose as source material.
Here's my suggestion: Stop looking at material written by muslims or their western apologists, with a target audience of kafirs like you. Bluntly put, are their patsy.
I decided long ago that the only way to sort propaganda from the truth is to listen what Islamists say TO EACH OTHER. This is very easy to do. Google will find hundreds of great Islamic chat sites where they talk about spreading their faith in the West, reactions to international events, how to organize and take advantage of western laws and sensibilities to promote an Islamic agenda, etc.
Listen to mosque sermons. Not sermons preached for the kuffar in English, on days when a group is invited in or when you've announced you're coming. Go unannounced and sit way in the back. If you don't know Arabic get a recording and have it translated. Or listen to the many available recordings or get English transcripts. The Undercover Mosque documentaries are not the only ones of this kind -- you can find many others like them from around the world.
Or do as Robert Spencer does: work directly from classical and contemporary primary source islamic documents, commentaries and authorities. Learn how a typical MUSLIM regards these sources and how they use them to reach conclusions about their faith, and how to live it out. Who speaks for Islam? Why, muslims do, every day, to each other. To you, through Esposito, they mainly just propagandize.
One of the best sources for many reasons (not the least being that it is widely available in English) is Reliance of the Travellor, the Shafi'i text of law. Officially approved by the Saudi religious scholars and the scholars at Al Azhar University, including Sheikh Tantawi himself. (Who speaks for Islam, indeed!) Lots of useful information there.
Now you have a habit of declaring lots of "authoritative" things about Jihadism. What sources should you use? Forget the "experts" -- go to primary sources. Start with the Al Qaeda Reader. Jihadist site jihadunspun.com has a lovely collection of stuff online, interviews with jihadists and so on. Sayyid Qutb and Hassan al-Banna, still the two most important sources for understanding the Muslim Brotherhood and its worldwide agenda.
Esposito's book might be good to prop up a corner of a coffeetable. Or as spare paper in the loo out back. But please don't lend its propaganda your masterful articulation skills. Use some discretion and get some good information to process...engage brain before starting mouth, as they say.
q. What does Christian - Muslim understanding mean exactly?
a. Christian Muslim understanding = "True Christians" accept the teachings of the Prophet Mohammad and therefore are Muslims, those who don't are infidels and not "people ofthe book".
In response to a ridiculous piece of Islam-apologia in the South China Morning Post (*) which quotes this "study" of Muslim attitudes, I sent the following letter to the Editor. They usually print my letters on all manner of issues, but have not printed one on Islam, so I'm not holding my breath.
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15th September 2008
Muhammad Abdul Bari would have us believe that Europeans are right to be concerned about terrorism, but that it is the Net and not Islam that is the problem. (“Virtual reality” September 15). Sounds to me that that’s rather like blaming the bomb, not the bomber, for the explosion. If he were correct, why don’t we see terrorism by Methodist Netizens, or cyber-savvy Buddhists?
Bari claims mosques are “… peaceful institutions”. But what of the Regent’s Park Mosque of London, the largest and oldest in the UK, in which religious instructors teach their flock that “Muslims must hate the kuffar” (non-believers), must not take on UK citizenship, must kill homosexuals and hate Jews? They are doing so eighteen months after they were first revealed and had promised to stop this hate speech. So, what of the “alienation” that Bari speaks of? Does it really come from the host country, or is it encouraged by UK’s Islamic educators?
Bari quotes a new study that suggests Muslims are just as likely as anyone else identify with the nation and to reject violence. Well, not quite. A close reading of this report reveals that a majority of Muslims support democracy as long as it’s based in part on Sharia law. Anyone with a knowledge of Sharia will be alarmed at such a prospect. Moreover, a 2008 study of the UK’s Centre for Social Cohesion revealed that only 3% of British Muslims saw themselves as British first and fully 32% thought that it was “permissible to kill in the name of religion”. I don’t have the equivalent figures for the non-Muslim population of the UK, but I cannot imagine that one third would think it permissible to kill in the name of religion nor that only 3% would see themselves as British first..
Bari says Muslims need to “challenge the narrative”[of violence inherent in Islam]. If he means what he says, I challenge Bari to repudiate two fundamental tenets of Islam, which are the cause of the disturbing “narrative” he deplores: (i) Jihad against the west, and (ii) imposition of Sharia law in western countries and. He is likely to find it very difficult to do so theologically. But if he can and does, good on him – he’d be the first moderate Muslim leader to do so!
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(*)http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP/menuitem.2af62ecb329d3d7733492d9253a0a0a0/?vgnextoid=18f442c54c06c110VgnVCM100000360a0a0aRCRD&ss=Insight&s=Opinion