Jihadist excoriates Zardari for "flirting" with Palin

Mo money Mo money Mo money for the Pakistani who are shooting at US soldiers. How ironic that here he is and the Palin has no concerns over that. Pakistan still sponsors Islamic terrorists and continues the Jihad with the jizya provided by our tax dollars.

hamed the entire Pakistani by publicly making indecent gestures towards Palin ,
Islamists men rather bury their women alive and gunning them down.

"There is no fun in Islam."

And no manners. No decorum.

I better understand why strident Leftists and faux-feminists (i.e., feminazis) have ended up being bedfellows with islamoterrorists, hate-spouting imams, and even defend the process of islamofication. NONE OF THEM HAVE ONE OUNCE OF HUMOR IN THEIR SOUR MINDS AND HEARTS. None of them can laugh at themselves nor the human condition. Life, love, laughter even beauty must be sacrificed to "THE AGENDA". Even a cordial and brief meeting must be mined for any perceived offense or slight. What pathetic losers and loons.

Puleeeze. Maulana Abdul Ghafar is just jealous that Zardari got to touch Miss Sarah and he didn't.

PMK:
"And no manners. No decorum."

Regarding this incident, I agree that Zadari's actions were not how a head of state should act. I don't see any problem with someone objecting to it.
It reminds me of another incident. Remember when Bush gave Angela Merkel a back massage? Did you have the same reaction as you do to this story? Bush actually went further than Zadari, because his act was physical, and not just verbal.

'I want you, I need you, I love you, with all my heart'...

Zardari's twitterpated, that's all. He does not need a fatwa...He just needs to read the Quran and pray to Allah until he regains his composure.

Palin has the power to cause the weaker man to breakout in a sweat, develop a rapid heartbeat, pant, stumble all over themselves, and make stupid remarks.

Don't blame Palin or Zardari for this...Allah willed it, he always does...

Is this article about Bush or is it about a "religious" group making a public declaration about the behavior of a public figure?

Palin is gorgeous - no doubt about that. My own husband even has a crush on her, LOL! Oh well, he once had a crush on me, so now it's her turn, but this too shall pass. :-D

Nothing wrong with being gorgeous or having men tell you so. How dumb that this guy is jealous over it. Heck, I'm the one who should be jealous, but I'm not. Palin IS very pretty.

.....and smart too!! ....and gutsy!! Gorgeous and gutsy, now who do I know like that? Hmmm.

Say? Isn't this the same guy who was recently caught on video coping a feel off Information and Broadcasting Minister Sherry Rehman?

nabi ZK (pbuh)

Oops no sorry. That was Gilani. My bad.

nabi ZK (pbum)

dave742,

George Bush's manners are not the issue.

The person you need to worry about is that prayer leader. A FATWA? What about other women around the world who aspire to lead a country? Do they have to worry about some nitwit deciding their actions are "unislamic" and can be punished according to Islamic law?

That is what I meant by 'no manners'. Islam cannot abide anyone with different mores.

Stop trying to change the subject.

Maybe from all the news and blogs, he picked up on others calling Palin a MILF, and he's just trying to get on the right side of the Liberation Front

So let's review some of the opinion's that 'dave742' has so graciously shared with us thus far: Ahmadinijad is really a swell, logical guy, but our media (read Zionist cabal who runs it) are intentionally misrepresenting him to us, because they are so desperate to see his wonderful, peaceful Islamist theocracy bombed for the sake of neocon oil profiteering; Qaradawi's little rant about the Shia was really quite innocuous, and again was misrepresented by those same Illuminati shills (but inexpicably, Arabic speaking Shia seem to be quite upset none the less. Maybe they read Arabic translations of the neoncon English translations of the original Arabic?); Thirdly, he seems to feel that Maulana Abdul Ghafar's fatwa regarding the president of Pakistan is right on the money. I'm beginning to wonder if the West is truly the right place for this dave742 fellow. Maybe he should consider relocating someplace more in line with his sensibilities. I would suggest Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan's Northwest Frontier. And I'm sure the Islamic Republic of Iran would welcome him with open arms, as well.

Oh yeah, 'dave742' is a PC MoonBat, no doubt about it.

So, how come he's not living in an Islamic Crapistan? Answer: 'Cause he's a total hypocrite.

I share Dave's rants with many...they understand the Muslim mindset better now...

Thanks Dave...

pmk:
"George Bush's manners are not the issue."

The issue I brought up is very similar, and looking at that issue can be very instructive. That's why analogies exist.

"What about other women around the world who aspire to lead a country? Do they have to worry about some nitwit deciding their actions are 'unislamic'"

I think you are confused. Ghafar did not accuse Sarah Palin with "unislamic" actions, he accused Zardari with unislamic actions. Zadari is Islamic, not Palin. Women around the world don't have to worry about Ghafar calling their actions "unislamic" if they are not Islamic.

But back to my analogy. If a religious leader in the US were to come out and call Bushes action with Merkel "unChristian," it would not faze me a bit. So what. A vicar in the UK has banned yoga classes in his church because they were "unchristian," and it didn't seem to cause much of a fuss. (1) In an election race, Katherine Harris called Bill Nelson's stance on not supporting a ban on late-term abortions or a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage as supporting "unchristian political policies." (2) That also didn't seem to be a big deal.

"can be punished according to Islamic law"

Ghafar said nothing about punishing Zadari according to any law. He simply voiced his disagreement with what Zadari did. So what.

"A FATWA?"

You guys are so freaked out about this word. I doubt that Ghafar has any authority to issue a fatwa. So what do you think about Khomenei's fatwa against the manufacture of nuclear weapons? Was he lying? Can you go against your own fatwa and still go to heaven?

1)"YOGA fans were fuming last night after a vicar banned their classes from his church hall for being "unchristian"."
The Sun
August 27, 2002
VICAR BANS 'UNCHRISTIAN' YOGA FROM CHURCH HALL
BYLINE: John Coles

A teacher in the UK also banned yoga from her class for the same reason:

"A TODDLER group has been banned from a church hall - because its yoga lessons are considered unChristian. Teacher Louise Woodcock, 41, was told her classes would affect children's spiritual life.
August 31, 2007 Friday
1 Star Edition
KIDDIES' YOGA BANNED FROM CHURCH HALL AS 'UNCHRISTIAN'
BYLINE: BY TOM PARRY

2) "Republican Senate hopeful Katherine Harris says Florida's Democratic incumbent supports unchristian political policies."
Associated Press Online
October 6, 2006 Friday 9:55 PM GMT
Harris Calls Dem's Policies Unchristian
BYLINE: By STEPHEN MAJORS, Associated Press Writer

Dave, maybe your words will have meaning when Christians kill, threaten, and bully in the name of their religion.

As things stand, your attempt to equalize bishops not wanting hindu exercises taught to toddlers with religious rulings from inbred maniacs that frequently entail death is no more than intellectual prostitution. Just for fun, here's some recent activities from members of the religion of peace.

9/28/2008 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - A top policewoman is gunned down by the Taliban, who also put her young son in a coma during the attack.

9/28/2008 (Tizi Wazu, Algeria) - Two security guards are brutally slain by Muslim fundamentalists at a fake checkpoint.

9/27/2008 (Matta, Pakistan) - Sunni extremists kill three house servants when they blow up several homes.

9/27/2008 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - Islamic militia fire mortars into an airport, killing at least nine.

9/27/2008 (Damascus, Syria) - A suicidal Sunni bombs a Shia shrine, slaughtering seventeen innocents.

9/27/2008 (Delhi, India) - A young boy and an old man die following a bombing by Muslim radicals at an outdoor market.

Regarding the muslim who issued the ruling, there are many things that shame pakistan, and they have nothing to do with this Zardari clown and everything to do with islam.

Dave742 - if you enjoy reading, then you really ought to check out the Books section at the top of the home page, and then consider buying the first one listed: "Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is, And Islam Isn't"

Excerpt from inside flap:

"Almost any liberal pundit will tell you that there’s a religion bent on destroying our Constitution, stripping us of our liberties, and imposing religious rule on the U.S. And that religion is . . .Christianity! About Islam, however, the Left is silent–except to claim a moral equivalence between the two: if Islam has terrorists today, that’s nothing compared to the Crusades, inquisitions, and religious wars in Christianity’s past."

"But is this true? Are conservative Christians really more of a threat to free societies than Islamic jihadists? Is the Bible really “just as violent” as the Qur’an? Is Christianity’s history really as bloodstained as Islam’s? In Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn’t, New York Times bestselling author Robert Spencer not only refutes such charges, but also explains why Americans and Europeans must regain an appreciation of our Christian heritage if we ever hope to defeat Islamic supremacism. In this eye opening work, Spencer reveals:"

1) "The fundamental differences between Islamic and Christian teachings about warfare against other religions: “Love your enemies” vs. “Be ruthless to the unbelievers"

2) "The myth of Western immorality and Islamic puritanism and why the Islamic world is less moral than the West"

3) "Why the Islamic world has never developed the distinction between religious and secular law that is inherent in Christianity"

4) "Why Christianity has always embraced reason–and Islam has always rejected it"

5) "Why the most determined enemies of Western civilization may not be the jihadists at all, but the leftists who fear their churchgoing neighbors more than Islamic terrorists"

6) "Why Jews, Christians, and peoples of other faiths (or no faith) are equally at risk from militant Islam"

A link I like to direct readers to is this one. Jesus or Muhammad - You Decide:
http://www.christring.org/shortseries/jesusormuhammad.htm

Comparing the lives of these two men is key in knowing and understanding the foundations of both Christianity & Islam.

pulsar:
"I share Dave's rants with many..."

I don't feel like I am ranting. I'm quite calm. It appears to me that it is everyone else that has started to rant. I was talking about the subject of the thread, and when people have no reply, they start freaking out about Islam in general and how its an evil religion. The usual response. This opinion, however, derives from hundreds of little stories that in the end are all either ficticious, the act of extremists, or simply no big deal. Their entire worldview is built on lies. (Why do you think it is that Israel, throughout the 1980's, pursued a strategic, friendly relationship with Iran as part of their "periphery strategy," and it was only in 1992 when Rabin and Peres decided to adopt a different strategy and initiated a deliberate campaign to demonize Iran, that they became evil? Isn't funny how a nation can become evil whenever their leaders decide to make them so? If I was president and wanted to bomb Switzerland for some reason, it would take about 6 months of propaganda for me to have you sheeple screeming to nuke the Swiss. Pathetic.) The story in this thread fits in the "who cares" category. The leader of Pakistan acted like a juvenile, similar to when Bush gave the leader of another country a massage. It is embarrassing for citizens of a country to have their leader act this way. Maybe you people weren't embarrassed when Bush gave Merkel the rub-down, but maybe that's a reflection on you.
So the Pakistani leader did something stupid, and someone called it unislamic. Who gives a crap. A few years ago, the leader of Greece's Orthodox Church urged worshippers not to buy Christmas cards bearing 'unchristian' designs like Santa Claus and Christmas trees. (The Independent, December 16, 2005 Friday, CHRISTMAS CARDS TOO 'UNCHRISTIAN'.) Who gives a crap.

champ:
"if you enjoy reading, then you really ought to check out the Books section at the top of the home page"

I read a lot of books recommended by Martin Kramer (heard of him?), and I was told on this site that those books were full of lies, and that Martin Kramer was crazy. Now it is only Robert Spencer that I can trust? Is he the only person on the right I can trust?

dave742 - No, I've never heard of Martin Kramer, so I can offer no opinion as to whether this guy is crazy or not; and as far as Robert Spencer being the only person you can trust, well, again, I am even less authoritative when presented with rhetorical questions as well, so my opinion would fall on deaf ears.

I am curious, however, about your religious background. What are you, exactly? Do you subscribe to a particular religion? This would be very helpful in following some of your - logic.

Dave - But you were not talking about the subject on the thread. You digressed about Bush.

Dave - sheeple? Come on - Iran demonized itself. You are the pathetic one. When you can't make your point you revert to insults. Have you considered that most of us don't want to waste our time replying to your bullshit?

You are right about one thing though. Yes the word "fatwa" freaks me out. I don't want some one like you enforcing a "fatwa" on me in my country.

dave742,

For me, the disconnect with your Bush analogy is that Christian religious leaders don't generally jump on public figures who make relatively minor missteps. While many people made fun of Bush's weird-o Merkel-massage, no religious leader condemned it. The point being that the fatwa isn't just an odd blip on the Islamic world radar, but a consistent example that Islam is, at its best, the wet blanket of world religions and at worst, the easily provoked pit bull.

"So the Pakistani leader did something stupid, and someone called it unislamic. Who gives a crap."

Posted by: dave742

...Muslims are deeply worried that a Muslim leader dared to be friendly with a Non Muslim...especially a woman Non Muslim..

Many Muslims have been violently slain for such a civil act...far too often to be just a random act..

as usual Dave, your attitude betrays you..

Back on topic

On Zardari's original act, it was typical of the double standards of Mohammedans. Had any Western male leader, say Bush, or Clinton, made that sort of a remark to Zardari's late wife Benazir, the Islamic world would have been up in arms. However, it's okay for Zardari to do that to a Western female leader.

For once, I admire this Lal Masjid maulana for hitting him where most Mohammedans wouldn't. A typical Mohammedan reaction would be that it's okay to treat an Infidel woman as though she was some kind of slut, but not okay to do the same for a Muslimah. Here's a fanatical maulana (of that same mosque that was the scene of that standoff last year), albeit unwittingly, slamming Zardari for treating an Infidel woman with disrespect.

One fatwa I can stand by.

This is just an example why Islam requires Women to cover themselves from head to toe. Giving Islam a "Woodie" creates babbling Idiots.

There is a possibility to put the Palin effect to good use. Have her address CAIR functions and arrest those who look away.

Fortunately for the Pakistani Prime Minister, infidel women are not haram.

So there, Mr. Maulana Abdul Ghafar! Infidel women are open season in any Islamic paradise. Just read your Qur'an.

Champ:
“No, I've never heard of Martin Kramer”

Really? You better brush up on your far-right credentials. Kramer was a student of Bernard Lewis and taught for 25 years at Tel Aviv University and directed the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and African Studies. Kramer and Daniel Pipes started “Campus Watch.” He’s very big.

Spencer devotes entire thread to Kramer’s writings:
“Martin Kramer writes in the Sandbox…”
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/007322.php

and refers to him often:
“At his Sandbox blog Martin Kramer neatly demolishes…”
jihadwatch.org/archives/020820.php

“Martin Kramer has documented the collapse of Mideast studies in general and of Columbia in particular.”
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001612.php

“David Horowitz has begun to address it as has Martin Kramer…”
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001693.php

Kramer also seems to be in contact with Spencer:
“Martin Kramer has brought my attention…”
jihadwatch.org/archives/005071.php

“Martin Kramer has kindly alerted me to this illuminating table…”
jihadwatch.org/archives/010115.php

Spencer references articles that refer to Kramer as a Middle East expert:
jihadwatch.org/archives/019592.php
“Middle East expert Martin Kramer suggests…”

Also this reference to a Frontpage article:
“according to Middle East historian Martin Kramer…”
jihadwatch.org/archives/001459.php

Also this from NRO written by Raymond Ibrahim:
“see Martin Kramer’s Ivory Towers on Sand…”
jihadwatch.org/archives/022641.php

Again from Frontpage:
“TCI material lacks balance from esteemed Middle East scholars like Pipes, Bernard Lewis or Martin Kramer.”
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001218.php

And here:
“Among the brave scholars who have worked to correct these distortions –– Bernard Lewis, Martin Kramer, Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer, Bat Ye’or, Ibn Warraq, to name just a few…”
jihadwatch.org/archives/008067.php

Posters at JW also refer to him often:
“Readers who want to learn more about the dismantling of Middle Eastern Studies in United States universities should read Martin Kramer's book, Ivory Towers on Sand.”
jihadwatch.org/archives/021346.php

“Thankfully people like Robert, Walid Phares, Paul Sperry and Martin Kramer have clued me in. Daniel Pipes also has good coverage on the subject.”
jihadwatch.org/archives/010840.php

Anyway, people often refer me to Kramer and use his writings when I have debates on sites like this. So I looked up Kramer’s recommended reading lists on Hezbollah and Hamas, and I read 8 of the books on the list. Most of them were very good, and I started citing quotes from these books on sites like this. When I did so, however, I was told that the quotes and the books I got them from are lies and written by crazy people. It seems very funny to me that a person like Kramer would recommend books that are full of lies.

“Do you subscribe to a particular religion?”
I was brought up Catholic, but rejected it when I was a teenager. I don’t follow any particular religion, but what comes closest to any religious feeling I might have would probably be Zen Buddhism. Years ago I read a lot of Alan Watts and similar authors, and this is what rings true for me. I still meditate sporadically. Basically, I believe that I am God, but I’m having a hard time truly believing it. I’d like to try some LSD to see if that helps me to understand. Americans like to find short cuts.

Cyril Lucar:
“Christian religious leaders don't generally jump on public figures who make relatively minor missteps”
A lot of people were disgusted with Bushes action, and I am sure priests were among them. Generally, a priest’s opinion will probably not make the paper. We’re not trying to demonize Christianity, you know.

Charlie:
“You are right about one thing though. Yes the word "fatwa" freaks me out. I don't want some one like you enforcing a "fatwa" on me in my country.”

I have no worries about anyone enforcing a fatwa against me. Maybe you should relax. There are probably greater dangers out there; like getting hit by lightning. Maybe you should worry about that.

Pulsar182:
“Muslims are deeply worried that a Muslim leader dared to be friendly”

If you can be honest with yourself for 3.5 seconds, I think you would realize that the issue goes beyond someone being friendly. The issue is that the leader of a country acted like a 15-year-old. This is embarrassing to many citizens who are grown-ups. I was ashamed of my country and leader when he groped another countries leader. Ghafar felt the same way. I guess that makes me a terrorist as well.

Zardari is a Muslim head of a terrorist Muslim state. What else would you expect?

I think this gaffe by Zardari may have been pleasantry gone awry.

I don't know anything about the fellow, and it's early days yet for him in his current post (unless I have him mixed up with someone else who quit or was invited to quit his job).

It's not uncommon for infidels to offer compliments to one another upon a first introduction. Maybe Zardari was trying not to seem aloof, and at the same time to set an informal tone for conversation.

He goofed. He should have studied up on acceptable compliments for the situation.

As for the fatwa and Ghafar, the latter would have issued the former, just because Zardari shook the hand of a filthy infidel woman. What he said to her doesn't matter to Islam.

Champ:
“No, I've never heard of Martin Kramer”

Really? You better brush up on your far-right credentials. Kramer was a student of Bernard Lewis and taught for 25 years at Tel Aviv University and directed the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and African Studies. Kramer and Daniel Pipes started “Campus Watch.” He’s very big.

posted by: dave742

I stand corrected, the man does exist; but remember, I wasn't stating that he doesn't, but I was simply answering your question. Providing link upon link to demonstrate that I SHOULD know who he is was really unnecessary, and it only shows an inordinate need on your part for sarcasm; plus it hampers any desire I might otherwise have in getting to know your man Martin better.

Do all of Martin's followers have chips on their shoulders? And you never answered my other questions. So am I to assume that you are an atheist, or are you a Muslim? I'm left with assuming one or the other at this point, unless, of course, you wish to clarify.

Champ:
“Providing link upon link to demonstrate that I SHOULD know who he is was really unnecessary”
I was provided several links to show Kramer’s far right credentials, not to say anything about you.

“…your man Martin... Do all of Martin's followers have chips on their shoulders?”
He’s not my man. The guy is an imbecile. In several of the books he recommends, nearly everything that is said in the books completely contradicts what Kramer himself says. There is a reason that Kramer recommends these books anyway. The books he recommends are well known to be the most scholarly treatments of the subjects of Hamas and Hezbollah that exist. Kramer is an academic, and wants to be taken seriously by the academic community. He cannot recommend polemics from right-wing nutbags who rant on about how Islam is evil. His reputation would be ruined. He wants to at least appear to be an intellectual, and this is the reason he recommends the books he does. He probably feels it is safe to recommend these books, because he knows that people on the right don’t read books anyway. I find it hilarious that his recommended books say the opposite of his writings, and at least two of the authors he recommends specifically mention Kramer and point out what an idiot he is. Yet Kramer recommends these people. It’s funny.

“And you never answered my other questions.”

Yes, I answered your question.

“Do you subscribe to a particular religion?”
I was brought up Catholic, but rejected it when I was a teenager. I don’t follow any particular religion, but what comes closest to any religious feeling I might have would probably be Zen Buddhism. Years ago I read a lot of Alan Watts and similar authors, and this is what rings true for me. I still meditate sporadically. Basically, I believe that I am God, but I’m having a hard time truly believing it. I’d like to try some LSD to see if that helps me to understand. Americans like to find short cuts."

posted by: dave

Yes, I see that you did in fact answer my question, so thanks for pointing that out. LSD, huh? Never tried the stuff, but I did take the "I am God" route, which only left me really empty and hurting, and I discovered that that was one colossal lie.

Anyway...back to the topic.

I love Palin, and I find that her experience exceeds that of Obama's - and she is running for VP.

NOBAMA '08!

champ:
"I did take the "I am God" route, which only left me really empty and hurting"

Obviously not your path. I feel great. Different strokes.

dave states: "Basically, I believe that I am God, but I’m having a hard time truly believing it."

Your last comment is really confusing to me, especially in light of your above statement, because if you're having a hard time truly believing that you are God, then how are you able to "feel great" with these doubts hanging over your head? And I will be completely disappointed if you do not give a sarcastic & ridiculous response.

champ:
I don't think I have been overly sarcastic to you. Even when you ask me to answer a question I've already answered, I did not say anything sarcastic, but merely told you that I had answered it.
Anyway, I cannot say that I am "enlightened" and have ceased considering myself as something separate from everything and everyone else,and that is why I said that I don't "truly believe". For most, especially in the West, these things take time, but I am on the right path for myself, and I am content. I don't have any doubts. Thanks for your concern, but I'm very happy with the path I am on, and I am sure you are as well. Everyone has their own path, and everyone should be allowed to follow whatever path they choose.

Hi, dave -

Well, OK, you haven't been "overly" sarcastic with me; but not to worry, because I can be sarcastic too, so I am not one to talk.

I do agree that everyone should be allowed to follow whatever path they choose - but having said that - and due to my own personal experience in once thinking that I was a God, too, then in good conscious I would have to encourage you to carefully examine the path that you are on and to get off that path!

I don't think that you are much different than I am in that respect, although I don't know you at all, but I think that you would show the same concern for someone who is traveling down the same dead end path that you had once traveled down - wouldn't you? Wouldn't you feel the need to redirect someone away from a dangerous and dead end road?

Anyway, I'm through preaching, just please think about the fact that you are not a God; as Oprah, and others, would have folks believe. Not saying that you listen to Oprah, but I know about her false-brand of Christianity, and it's everywhere, so beware. Scary, really.

Take care.