"[The] Saturday blast, which reverberated throughout Islamabad, was caused by more than a ton of explosives. ... The blast left a crater some 30 feet deep in front of the main building."
"Explosion at Pakistan Marriott hotel kills 40," by Asif Shahzad for the Associated Press, September 20:
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Police say at least 40 people have died in a massive explosion that destroyed the luxury Marriott Hotel in Pakistan's capital.
Senior police official Asghar Raza Gardaizi said he fears there are dozens more dead inside.
He said that the Saturday blast, which reverberated throughout Islamabad, was caused by more than a ton of explosives.
The blast left a crater some 30 feet deep in front of the main building.
Flames poured from the windows of the hotel and rescuers ferried a stream of bloodied bodies from the gutted building. [...]
The Marriott is a favorite place for foreigners to stay and socialize in Islamabad, despite repeated militant attacks. A security guard at the scene, Mohammad Nasir, and several witnesses said a large truck had driven toward the gate before exploding.
The blast left a vast crater, some 30 feet deep in front of the main building, where flames poured from the windows and rescuers ferried a stream of bloodied bodies from the gutted building.
Mohammad Sultan, a hotel employee, said he was in the lobby when something exploded, he fell down and everything temporarily went dark.
"I don't understand what it was, but it was like the world is finished," he said.
An Associated Press reporter counted at least nine bodies scattered at the scene. Scores of people, including foreigners, were running out — some of them stained with blood. At a hospital where many of the casualties were taken, official Raja Ejaz said at least two people had died and 25 were wounded.
Ambulances rushed to the area, where a fire burned, smoke hovered and the carcasses of vehicles were thrown about. Windows in buildings hundreds of yards away were shattered.
There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the blast. [...]
In January 2007, a security guard blocked a suicide bomber who triggered a blast just outside the Marriott, killing the guard and wounding seven other people.
.... all repeat after me, "islam is a religions of peace..." come on...
Must be the Amish, again.
I cannot be Muslims, because they are all peaceful.
Well, the suicide bomber is peaceful, now.
The 40 dead are peaceful.
Islam IS peace.
I have a hard time feeling sorry for Pakistan, as many in the "tribal" areas and inside the government are sympathetic to terrorists.Pakistani Muslims are in bed with AQ and the Taliban and there is more violence and blood shed in Pakistan as a result. The Bible says you "reap what you sow". Someone else said "you lie down with dogs you wake up with flees".You see the truth of that right there in Pakistan.
"The Marriott is a favorite place for foreigners to stay and socialize in Islamabad, despite repeated militant attacks"
Why any foreigner, or anyone for that matter, would want to travel to Pakistan to "socialize" is just beyond me; especially knowing that they risk a possible attack. Only someone with a death wish would consider this location a "favorite place" to stay, and now 40 or more people got their wish. I'm not saying that they had it coming, not at all, but I'm stunned that this location was frequented by foreigners "despite repeated militant attacks". Guess nothing should stun me any more.
Islamabad - the name alone was a tip off. Islam truly IS bad! And evil.
Ramadan is over. What is that verse in the Koran once the fast is over begin the slaughter of unbelievers so that the blood thirsty Allah can be appeased and that the Jihadis can screw the prepubescent 72 girls or boys in the porn heaven of Islam. Well I bet they killed some of their own the Mohammedans that is okay.
Sex Heaven - one of allahs great lies - only a horny idiot would fall for such a crock.
"Why any foreigner, or anyone for that matter, would want to travel to Pakistan to "socialize" is just beyond me; especially knowing that they risk a possible attack."
It wasn't 'any foreigner'. It was senior CIA officials.
"Well placed sources said that Marriott Hotel is usual hotel choice of the US officials and it seems that militants tipped off that certain high level US intelligence officers were currently staying at the hotel.
While no confirmation was available but Pakistan sources said it was clear that the explosion was aimed at specific targets based on a tip off."
The real question is why would any 'senior CIA official' trust any pakistani muslim with information about his travels?
The obscenities of the "Holy Month Of Ramadan" unfold like clockwork.
I just heard a completely clueless announcer on Fox News ask if there was any claim of responsibility for the bombing. Whether the group is Al Qaeda, Jemaah Islamiya, Hezbollah, Hamas, or any of a dozen other existing groups, or any groups as yet formed, is that even remotely a relevent question anymore? The issue is not the groups, whatever their name, but the misogynistic, totalitarian ideology which spawns these groups. 7 years after 9/11, one would think that the penny would drop for these news organizations. Guess not.
Infidel33 -
The actual Associated Press headline states the following:
"The five-story Marriott had been a favorite place for foreigners as well as Pakistani politicians and business people to stay and socialize in Islamabad despite repeated militant attacks."
This particular paragraph from the headline mentions "foreigners", "Pakistani politicans" and "business people", as among those who visit this hotel, so I am not quite sure why you felt the need to correct me by pointing out that the "senior CIA officials" were at the hotel. I am not questioning their presence, nor am I trying to minimize the fact that they were there the day of the bombing; I was simply focusing on this particular paragraph and commenting on the regulars who frequent this hotel, as described by AP.
champ.....
I agree with your comment. My point is that there apparently were, by other accounts, senior members of the U.S. "intelligence community" staying there, who may have become victims of their own abysmal understanding of islam and the concept of 'dar al-harb' Such is the state of our "intelligence community".
President celebrates Iftaar:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080917-11.html
No, Ramadan ends on the 30th of September. 10 more days to go, savsiv.
Hi, Infidel33, sorry, I thought you were correcting me. My bad! Yeah, so much for the "intelligence community", huh? LOL!
The PAk was created so pure islam could flourish, they created the taliban, and so they will be consumed by their bloody death cult, go to hell islamists!
But hey! This is from one of the "Worlds Greatest Relgions".
On AOL's home page, there is a picture of the blast seemingly as it happened, from a safe distance. It appears that you can see the blast cloud still rising from the ground.
The picture was taken by one Farooq Naeem, AFP.
Go check it out. One wonders why he happened to be there with his camera.
We are wasting our time trying to straighten these people out. A total waste.
It would be better to watch them from afar in the sky, then bomb as necessary when WMD are detected
I'm wondering what Iftar dinners taste like, in the wake of the daily blood and ashes, smoke and murder.
You can't say it enough - Islam is the religion of peace. But saying it over and over again does not make it so.
Why can't all the jihadis move back to the country that was created because Indian Muslims couldn't live with Indian Hindus and Sikhs?
Apparently bombing infidels is a popular activity.
We are wasting our time trying to straighten these people out. A total waste.
Posted by: Spot on at September 20, 2008 2:53 PM
Time is not the only waste: http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/index.php?sid=382836
I bet it was those damn Zen Buddhists again. I mean they're just as violent as Muslims because they say things like "if you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."
Seriously, though: during the nightly Ramadan gorge, do Muslims turn off the television? Do they turn away from the endless images of flames against the sky, the pictures of people blown apart and burning to death in the name of Allah and his prophet?
Or are such images part of the intense pleasure of the feasting?
George Mc. wrote:
"The issue is not the groups, whatever their name, but the misogynistic, totalitarian ideology which spawns these groups."
Spot on wrote:
"It would be better to watch them from afar in the sky, then bomb as necessary when WMD are detected"
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I agree in principle. But it's important to note that we can not always "detect" when WMD are present.
Muslims and bombs go together like a dog and fleas.
I think if the Muslims could surgically implant bombs in everyone of their males so that they are ready to blow at a moments notice they would.
Any "allied" government in the absurdly named "war on terror" who cannot even control its own capital certainly cannot be trusted to control the "tribal" areas nor especially can they be trusted to maintain command and control over a nuclear arsenal. It is inevitable in my view that the world's great powers will need to wrest the nuclear weapons from the hands of the Pakistani government by force and then distribute those weapons to the participating world powers for destruction of the warheads. If no other nuclear power is willing to participate then so be it. The United States will do it alone. The American median voter will make it happen.
Islamabad - the name alone was a tip off. Islam truly IS bad! And evil.
Posted by: champ at September 20, 2008 12:20 PM
Oh, yeah. The name alone IS a tip-off.
Islam's Bad, World Citizens! Hello! Anyone listening?
Muslims and bombs go together like a dog and fleas.
I think if the Muslims could surgically implant bombs in everyone of their males so that they are ready to blow at a moments notice they would.
Posted by: waltc at September 20, 2008 4:01 PM
Yes, computer "bomb" chips. I agree. And, don't forget the female bombers!
It's all, mass-murder, done in the name of "allah," you know, whether male or female.
From a review of the Pakistan Marriott earlier this year:
Security is high and reassuring if staying in ISB as a "westerner".
Seems there's another one in Karachi, as well.
One can only hope that Marriott will not rebuild.
The real question is why would any 'senior CIA official' trust any pakistani muslim with information about his travels?
Posted by: Infidel33 at September 20, 2008 12:55 PM
Total and complete PC ignorance about Islam?
How disappointing it was to hear Barbara Plett of the BBC, who had apparently been in the neighborhood of the Marriott, reporting live from Islamabad on the explosion.
Don't rule out some involvement in Pakistan of Iran.
Iran has been at WAR since the fall of the Shah.
The situation in Pakistan gives Iran one more FRONT and one more Islamic pool to 'swim' in.
Recently I read someplace that the IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARDS(who control Hizbollah,Hamas,etc. & AL-Queda have been "co-operating" , as in CO - O-p-e-r-a-t-i-n-g.
President celebrates Iftaar:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080917-11.html
Posted by: Alert at September 20, 2008 2:00 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!
People, you MUST read the link above - our President PRAISING Islam as "distinguished," and allah is God and Mohamet's a prophet and how much Muslim-Americans have contributed to America and so much utter BULLSHIT.
Excuse me, I'm going to go puke. Our President is praising the murderers of over 3,000 of our fellow/sister Americans on September 11, 2001.
Truly, I can't think of anything more sickening than the contents of that link above.
darcy,
You've been hearing and reading statements like this from GWB for the last seven years!
Ask him and he'll tell you that he isn't honoring those who killed 3,000 Americans.
Don't you realize that those who murdered 3,000 Americans hijacked more than four planes? They HIJACKED A GREAT RELIGION! They are the TINY NUMBER OF EXTREMISTS! The people at that dinner are "peaceful Muslims"!
That's Bush's (and our entire government's) story and HE'S STICKING TO IT!
WE are the bad ones - for linking the people at that dinner to Osama and company. WE are the unenlightened.
That's their story and THEY'RE STICKING TO IT!
They're not worth losing your lunch or skipping your supper. Just remember their story when you vote in November.
Hi Guys. A few days ago someone posted some links to a hadith which says fathers can kill their offspring for any reason or none. This was relevant to honor killings. I was talking to a "moderate" mohametan who said he was unaware of this and I wanted to quote the hadith. Can anyone help me find this?
Thanks
nabi ZK (pbum)
Pakistan...The explosions continue as the Paki gov tells all foreign troops to stay off its soil.
I am not sure this applys to the Taliban...
Bush and Iftaar
I wonder if Bush knows any peaceful Nazi's he can lunch with.
He sounds every bit a muslim as muslims.
We can only count the days that Imam Bush will be in office.
From Bush Iftar speech:
'As we break the fast tonight...'
What does he mean 'we'?
Did he fast for Ramadan?
He could have grown faint and passed out compromising national security.
His Islamic slip is showing...
nabi ZK - Here you go:
"A manual of Islamic law certified by Al-Azhar as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy says that "retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right."
*However, "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).*
In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law. Why does this stipulation appear in a manual of Islamic law if this has nothing to do with Islam?
nabi - may I be skeptical and question whether your "moderate Mohametan" has truly never heard of this before?
Get ready for more of same -- and elsewhere.
Yesterday, I read that the Northeast Intelligence Network has noted that the jihad chatter levels are at the same levels as just prior to 7/7.
Memo to President Bush:
Hey. Let's invite tens of thousands more of these people to come live in our country. You know, to show them that we really mean them no harm and that we are not in any way islamophobic.
(Just guessing what 'advice to the President' is sounding like these days ...)
One thing you can say about Moslems, they hate each other more than they hate us.
Hugh sez:
"....disappointing ...Barbara Plett of the BBC, who had apparently been in the neighborhood of the Marriott, reporting live.."
Hahaha! The one who got away!
Seems not everybody got it...
"agree in principle. But it's important to note that we can not always "detect" when WMD are present."
Posted by: The Cool Ghoul
Every Muslim is a walking WMD. No need to look for the "weapons". Just look at wherever they gather.
These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.
Let me quote from the Koran, itself: In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.
The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.
I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.
"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war."
Posted by: Wild Jew
Then let us see that "Million Muslim March" in our major cities. Where Muslims are waving the American flag and singing "God Bless America"!!
I think we've all been waiting longer than 7 years. The fact remains that no religion needs "moderation"...if it's not already...without moderation.
Antidote: "The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war."
Antidote: (Islam is) practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.
From Bush speech... Its teachings (Islams) are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.
Bush believes that Allah is God. Bush is a muslim.
Of course he can't tell the assembled muslims that Allah is not God. So Bush is either lying, or he believes Allah is God...A liar or a believer.
Or maybe a liar AND believer.
When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race.
I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah."
-- from a posting above
"I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world." My, my. Is this Winston Churchill addressing the English people in the midst of the Blitz? Is it FDR telling Americans they have nothing to fear but fear itself?
What presumption.
And then there is the next sentence, that presumes to speak for all of us: "We respect your faith."
No, "we" don't all "respect" the faith of Islam. Some of it find it appalling, and the more we find out about its politics and geopolitics, its suppression of free expression and free inquiry, and all the ways in which it threatens us, and stunts the mental growth of Muslims themselves, the more appalling we find it.
Speak for yourself, but speak it elsewhere, on your own little blog.
But don't worry. Tne entire world will be listening as you address it. It hardly matters what forum you choose.
"not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace"
Posted by: Wild Jew
Tell that to the thousands, millions who have been murdered by the "Religion of peace" since the 7th Century...since 1973...or the 11,000 other attacks around the world.
Then let them make that march and prove to all Americans...which they have NOT....ever...since 911. All we get is CAIR, PC and all the other BS associated with their excuses for evil.
That iftaar message of bush's has almost made me physically ill. Are the pro-bush posters who were quick to jump all over Sally Lopez for her stupid remark here suddenly going to take the Fifth? It's time you people were called out. Especially you, Cornelius, who disgraced yourself the other day by debating Hugh in such a dismissive tone. I had visions of Pauly Shore telling Stephen Hawking he's full of **it.
And don't bother with the tired refrain, "He's kept the home front safe for 7 years." I would willingly trade a few more 9/11 attacks for a president who recognizes islam for the mortal threat to the West that it is and uses the bully pulpit to rally the American people to the great struggle that lies ahead and that none of us can escape.
And when we think of Islam we also think of nearly twelve thousand deadly terror attacks carried out by Islamic terrorists since September 11th 2001.
And we think of an ideology of hatred and hostility toward non-Muslims, inspired by and spelled out by copious Quranic verses, hadith and Sira; which can no longer be kept hidden or glossed over.
President Bush is a great president. Why he even mentioned a POS hypothetically named alah at the politically faked up moonie dinner escapes me..why he was there at all does not escape me, as in our soldiers in harms way in moonie country and their sacrifices and familes/parents as well..why could he not leave out references to their cult and stay ON TASK as to freedom in the middle east, clear of references to the moon god and the cultists
The "[Classic] Manual of Islamic [Sacred] Law" mentioned by Darcy is available from Amazon, with the title "The Reliance of the Traveller". Every Jihad-watcher should have a copy of this as reference on the desktop! Hop over to Amazon to get your copy now...
I went to the Darcy's reference [o1.2 (4)] and find that I'd already highlithed it! It adds other categories that are "*not* subject to retaliation": ... (2) "a Muslim for killing a non-Muslim" and (3) "a Jewish or Christian subject of the Islamic state for killing an apostate from Islam" -- so, go Jews and Christians! Who said you weren't treated equally in Islamic states??! You're just as free as Muslims to kill apostates "with no retaliation"!
TO "Wild Jew": I agree with the posts countering your absurd views. Have you read nothing of the theology of this "religion"? Try not just the Koran (full of vitriolic sectarian, anti-Semitism and supremacist teaching), but also said "Reliance of the Traveller", the "Sacred Manual of Islamic Sacred Law", approved by the most senior authorities in Islam and try reading about the treatment of homosexuals, of the kuffar, of Jews, of women (eg, female genital mutilation) and of apostates… and then try again to utter the words "religion of peace"....
My guess is that "Wild Jew" was being ironic, above, in quoting and repeating without comment (and not always with quotes) the idiocy which so many of us find appalling.
Unfortunately for all, that idiocy ("These acts of violence ...") was straight from President George W. Bush, spoken on September 17, 2001. It is currently available at whitehouse.gov as a press release.
The Islamists didn't need to do anymore 9/11s when Bush is leaving the front door open for dhimmi activity with his ramadan allah snakbars & praising Islam more than Christianity. If the USA is not opposing Islam from the top, why should they have to attack us? Islam is a religion of peace when when we just roll over and play possum dhimmi...and Bush sure is playing the part lately.
Islam is peaceful alright. If your Dead. Otherwise, it is just a nightmare. Especially for Infidels.
As for the Presidents little Speech. Let us turn what looks like a negative into a positive.
Consider who he is speaking to. What better group of people could you find to know a lie when they hear one?
It looks like the Peaceful Muslims who wore out their welcome in Iraq decided to seek easier prey with richer rewards.
"Wild Jew" cannot be serious!
Islam is deserving of ZERO "respect," just like Fascism and Naziism.
Did you EVER think you would see this? The last sentence of Bush's "Iftaar" speech:
"And now the Imam will say the blessing."
"Imam." We have 9/11 only 7 years ago, and tonight Bush is getting an Imam to "say the blessing."
I just can't wrap my head around the insanity of it all.
darcy,
Wild Jew was quoting the words of none other than George W. Bush. Most, if not all, of the quotes he used came directly from our esteemed leader's speech before a joint session of Congress, just NINE DAYS after the WTC was attacked.
In fact, this is the seventh anniversary of that speech. It was delivered on September 20, 2001.
"The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics -- a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam."
"I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. (Applause.) The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them."
The full speech is on the web. It was delivered seven years ago, TODAY.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html
why is this news?
why is this news?
George Bush is an idiot and always has been. Doing his duty as the president? I don't think so. He was doing his duty as an oil man billionaire.
I watched the BBC report on the bombing of the Marriot. The anchorwoman kept asking every Pakistani she interviewed whether the bombing was because of American "interference". Everyone she asked, to a man, said "no". I've written to the BBC about it because she so obviously thinks this herself and was so intent on getting the answer she wanted. SO annoying!! I guess any chance to "blame" America is high on the so called journalists lists.
On topic: once again, Islamists destruct instead of construct. Kill, kill, kill. Makes me sick.
Kudos Taliban,
9/11 celebration Islamic style in a peaceful fashion. Even if the Islamists dint have a million strong march in the US against the 9/11 WTC attack, they have given a demonstration of their peaceful intent by blowing up the Marriot hotel in Islam-A-Bad. The religion of peace has celebrated one more 9/11 anniversary with a bang, Infidels can be sure of more peaceful bangs in the future.
Islam is as Islam does.
Speak for yourself, but speak it elsewhere, on your own little blog.....But don't worry. Tne entire world will be listening as you address it. It hardly matters what forum you choose.
Posted by: Hugh at September 20, 2008 8:15 PM
Hugh, I am shocked.
You do not recognize the words of your president?
PMK, try this one also:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
"Islam is Peace" Says President
Remarks by the President at Islamic Center of Washington, D.C.
Washington, D.C.
gymgal,
google 'Barbara Plett' and Hugh Fitzgerald and be surprised about what comes up. Barbara Plett was the one who cried her eyelashes off over the death of the AIDS-ridden Araf*kc, and that's before breakfast.
Try lunch! Barbara will have you...
Time is not the only waste: http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/index.php?sid=382836
Posted by: Alert at September 20, 2008 3:13 PM
It is hard to believe that we are giving them MORE atd and not less. Disgustingly stupid.
I agree in principle. But it's important to note that we can not always "detect" when WMD are present.
Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at September 20, 2008 3:41 PM
You mat be right but I would try to error on the side of caution and bomb them any time they get near the 21st century.
I was talking to a "moderate" mohametan who said he was unaware of this and I wanted to quote the hadith. Can anyone help me find this?
Nabi ZK
Would the Nabi be trying to convert a "Mohametan"?
First, if we look at the picture of the crater formed after the attack we will see that is was caused by a missile.
Second, only several weeks ago the USA was being criticized by the Pakistan military for violating Pakistani sovereignty and anti US sentiment was high amongst most "moderate" Pakistanis. So ineffect the US had to make everyone detest the "Islamist" more than they detested the US, and view USA action on their land as not ideal but necessary to fight the bigger wrong. Also the casualties of US terrorism had to be juxtaposed with something greater so that it could be viewed as unfortunate collateral damage
What did the US do? same thing they did when Sunni and Shia united to fight their Nazi occupation in Iraq, set off a bomb on one side and make it look like the other side did it, and boom they turn on each other. As far fetched as this may seem, this concept has been used throughout history.
The USA has proven itself to be the epitome of evil as described in the Quran, Bible and general human philosophy, as such the US has often resorted to deceptive and heinous means to reach their ends. The lies and manipulation of the US is apparent to most, their vile and vicious terrorism can be seen by those that look.
"Speak for yourself, but speak it elsewhere, on your own little blog.....But don't worry. Tne entire world will be listening as you address it. It hardly matters what forum you choose.
[Posted by: Hugh at September 20, 2008 8:15 PM]
Hugh, I am shocked.
You do not recognize the words of your president?
[Posted by: Wild Jew at September 21, 2008 5:23 AM]
-- from a devastating posting above
What? Those were Bush’s words, not yours? Words so awful that I could not attribute them even to him? And thus I missed the joke entirely, on a thread where I had offered a sinister one of my own? You’ve shown me up, and made me a laughingstock in the public square of my own mind. It’s a sunny day, and naturally I had plans to go outside and run a marathon or two, but now it has turned suddenly quite Hungarian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiOyvxgcob4
"First, if we look at the picture of the crater formed after the attack we will see that is was caused by a missile"
Posted by: jowen
The witnesses at the scene report a large truck drove up to the building and blew up...
I have seen the aftermath of a few car bombings...the cars if packed with enough explosives do indeed leave a crater...
JOJO...go home and drink some more of your Muslim koolaid...
For Hugh Fitzgerald:
Take a look at this hit-piece by Owen Bennett-Jones from Al Bebeeceera.
Back in the days of the cold war, he would have peddled the 'better red than dead' rubbish that so many believed in then. Now, in the return-to-the future-days of the Islam-intern, he hawks the 'one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter' crapola.
And of course: its all our fault, like here:
US raids on Taleban and al-Qaeda targets in Pakistani territory have caused outrage in Pakistan. And that has added to the loathing that some people there have long felt for the way that the US conducts itself on the world stage, as Owen Bennett-Jones discovers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7623097.stm
I tried to find out more about him, but there isn't much on the web.
Perhaps you know more about him..?
Wow....I recognized Bush's September 2001 speech right away, and I'm not even American!
Maybe when posters are quoting someone else, they might consider using quotation marks to avoid confusion?
You mean, other than that he is a plummy-voiced dope?
To jowen the Mohametan:
It's islam that is the "epitome of evil," along with your false prophet and vicious, vile, terrorist pagan moon deity.
Concerning the Marriott in Islamabad, the "Religion of Pieces" has struck again. You people are pathetic. Why don't you stop mass-murdering other people? Oh, sorry, I forgot, that's the whole point of Islam - mass-murder.
To further burst Jowen's bubble, CNN has video of the truck.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/21/pakistan.islamabad.marriott.blast/index.html
But who knows-- maybe it's one of those top-secret, submarine-launched, truck-shaped missiles. Those boys in the lab are always up to something.
Jowen probably also thinks that 9/11 was an "inside job," having nothing to do with Islam or Mohammedans.
I recognized Bush's September 2001 speech right away....Maybe when posters are quoting someone else, they might consider using quotation marks to avoid confusion?
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi
You're right. I wanted to see how many would recognize these terrible comments, from none other than the president of the United States. In time of war!
This one man has done incredible damage to his own country in my view; in large part because he has mislead and continues to mislead the American people about our enemy in time of war. Some might call this treason.
He gives aid in comfort to our enemies. He has been working feverishly to establish a new Muslim terror state in the Holy Land! There is already a new Muslim terrorist entity in Gaza and it could be argued Lebanon is now a terrorist state, in large part because of bad White House policy.
Mr. Bush has done more damage to America than perhaps any previous U.S. president. Historians will acknowledge it in time.
Its not what he (jobbo) thinks, darcy. That's what he wants you to think. That's his islamic duty. To deflect, to obscure, to confuse.
That's all. Every Islamo-troll that posts here is just doing their obligatory da'wa.
Bush has made a laughing-stock of the integrity of the United States and its loyal citizens. You're in great company.
Wild Jew,
Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen that speech, probably because I had left town. The quotes you put up were immediately recognizable as Bush's but I could only remember the 9/20 speech.
Mr. Bush has done a lot of damage to America but what about the Jews who "disinvited" Sarah Palin because Hillary Clinton didn't want to appear at the same forum with her? (Thank GOD Obama didn't name her as VEEP.)
The Jews who did this have done a lot of damage to their own cause.
1. Who's arguing?
2. What does that have to do with the subject at hand?
3. Why do assume that these Jews are the certified official spokespeople for American Jewry? Is reverend Wright the official spokesman for all Christians?
Your epidermus is showing.
Mr. Bush has done more damage to America than perhaps any previous U.S. president. Historians will acknowledge it in time.
Posted by: Wild Jew at September 21, 2008 9:38 AM
In my mind, his worst crime is heaping praise and accolades and encomiums on the people whose ideology mass-murdered over 3,000 of our citizens on September 11, 2001. And calling Islam the "rop."
Look, is there a "method to his madness" a la Hamlet? As well as "The plays the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the King?"
For example, that's what my husband thinks. Not kidding.
Spot on,
We agree that muslim groups or nations should never be able to manufacture or acquire WMD.
The difficulty comes in enforcing it. Technology has its limitations. Its ability to "detect" WMD simply isn't there yet. Thus, there is no substitute for direct intervention in some cases.
In the case of Iraq, when Saddam banned inspections and refused to comply with all of the UN resolutions directing him to account for and destroy WMD in the presence of UN inspectors, we were completely justified to topple his regime in my opinion. Saddam's bluff backfired on him.
But helping the Iraqis build a new government is an entirely different matter. That's not our obligation in my view.
PMK, I don't know that I would attend this event as it now stands. It seems petty politics over moral principle. This is reminiscent of what was done to to the Bergson group by the American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Conference, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise etc; undermining efforts to save European Jews during the Holocaust.
Wild Jew, Thank you.
Shy Guy,
I asked a question. Others have posted OT topics. Get lost!
"Jowen probably also thinks that 9/11 was an "inside job," having nothing to do with Islam or Mohammedan".
Posted by: darcy at September 21, 2008 9:24 AM
Actually I think 9/11 was chickens coming home to roost, and America getting a taste of what it had been doing throughout the last 40 years, be it the genocide, rape and animalistic crimes committed against the Vietnamese, the corruption to subjugate South and Central America through despot dictators and militia's or when needs be sending the low IQ scum that you call soldiers to rape and slaughter latins or th crimes committed in Africa, or the Middle East sanctions against Iraq killing 500000 children ("a price worth paying", then so was the 3000 who died on 9/11). Or subjugating the middle east to corrupt regimes etc, basically you get my drift, what happened on 9/11 was nothing that America the fascist state has itself done prior and after the day that the chickens came home to roost.
"Jowen probably also thinks that 9/11 was an "inside job," having nothing to do with Islam or Mohammedan".
Posted by: darcy at September 21, 2008 9:24 AM
Actually I think 9/11 was chickens coming home to roost, and America getting a taste of what it had been doing throughout the last 40 years, be it the genocide, rape and animalistic crimes committed against the Vietnamese, the corruption to subjugate South and Central America through despot dictators and militia's or when needs be sending the low IQ scum that you call soldiers to rape and slaughter latins or the crimes committed in Africa, or in the Middle East sanctions against Iraq killing 500000 children ("a price worth paying", then so was the 3000 who died on 9/11). Or subjugating the middle east to corrupt regimes etc, basically you get my drift, what happened on 9/11 was nothing that America the fascist state has itself done prior and after the day that the chickens came home to roost.
"Bush believes that Allah is God. Bush is a muslim."
Posted by: duh_swami
I agree. Bush is a Muslim. It wouldn't be the first time he changed his "religious" stripes.
Didn't he enter office as an Episcopalian, only to switch to a different Protestant religion?
I can't remember what it was, just off the top of my head, but I remember the switch. It was to some religion that made him seem to be more of a "man of the people". Strictly an image thing, I guess, as he had already won the election. Nothing that would earn him votes.
But, again, yes--Bush is now a Muslim, and an enemy to the US.
"They want to kill and control the world subjugating us to their ways"
Who has invaded the most countries since 1950?
Who has military bases throughout the world, and whose warships sail in oceans 10000s of miles away from its borders?
Who has killed the most civilians and dropped the most bombs?
Who through threat of economic, and possibly military, reprisals ensures that all nations use the dollar as their reserve currency?
Who interferes in the politics of others, eg through regime change or political assassinations or sponsored coup
The best way to make people believe a lie is to keep saying it, and boy does that pig Bush and ugly Rice keep saying the same stuff as do all US politicians.
Also, why has the blessed Sheikh Osma Bin Ladens accusations against the USA never been refuted? Why are they ignored and instead lies are attributed to his motives?
If you was wrongly accused by an angry neighbour of stealing his sheep exploiting his land and killing his children, you would accusation by saying for example I was 200 miles away on the day his sheep got stolen. If you was guilty you would sidestep his accusation and instead attribute another reason for his hatred to you, eg you would say ahhh he is mad and angry because he hates my freedom. You would say this despite the fact that your neighbor has given perfectly rational motives. And if you speak louder or say it enough times, peoples perception of you neigbour will be based on what you say not what he says.
Jowen,
You don't have a clue.
You should take the time to speak with the Vietnamese people that have lived under communist rule. Talk with them. Those that - to this day - have their parents and siblings executed for speaking out or simply trying to escape.
You are branding the entire USA due to the actions of a few rogue soldiers and ignoring the contributions which others made. Many of those rogue soldiers were later brought to justice by our own military.
Talk with the Vietnamese that lived there Jowen. You will then discover that they were indeed grateful that we tried to help defeat the communists. Their lives worsened greatly after we left - largely due to pressure from the political left in the USA for us to withdraw and leave the Vietnamese people defenseless. Many spent years upon years in communist "re-eduction" camps.
To this day people are shot and executed for simply trying to escape Vietnam. But people like Jowen direct fault to the USA for trying to help these people and defeat communism. You really have no clue Jowen.
Incidentally, the rapes that you refer to in Africa were at the hands of "UN Peacekeeper" forces. The vast majority of deaths in Iraq are caused by jihadists. Get a clue!
JoJO asks:
"Who has invaded the most countries since 1950?'
What is considered an "Invasion"?
Muslims have been attacking in many locations...maybe not with massive armies but attacking...They continue to attack inside their own countries as well...The countries suffering Muslim attacks continue to swell...The attacks are not only militaristic in nature, but also by attacks of the silent JIHAD type...the attacks from within...demands for special priviledges for Muslims on the job, in the airport, in the neighborhood, in the government, in the schools.....at the same time Muslims are demanding great restrictions in freedom of speech, not wanting the truth about Islam to get out...demanding great restrictions on law enforcement agencies in their abilites to gather information on those whose main goals are to destroy the countries who are not Muslim...Muslims are the greatest invaders since 1950...
"Yep, it's all about Iraq and...
India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Angola and...
...and pretty much wherever Muslims
believe their religion tells them to:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow
the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledg-ment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Qur'an, Sura 9:29"
I forgot to mention the Massive influx of Muslim peoples through the stupid immigration policies of most of the western countries...countries just a few years ago had maybe 1500 Muslims now have Millions...want to talk about invading armies...yep, it is plain to see who the real invaders are...and it is not America..or UK,...or France...or Denmark...Or Germany...Or Italy.....
where ever Islam appears...so too, does violence, death, and destruction..
JOJO Sez" "The best way to make people believe a lie is to keep saying it,...."
maybe that is why the Muslims hear the same things five times a day...whether they want to or not....
Bush has made a laughing-stock of the integrity of the United States and its loyal citizens. Posted by: Shy Guy at September 21, 2008 10:06 AM
... while making billions, selling America to anyone with pesos or petro-dollars. For the Bush family, money is the end and politics is the means to that end. These are cold, hard facts: http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/09/29/opinion/commentary/18_38_109_28_05.txt
Americans are just confused, id Bush turn on America after they elected him or was Bush always a sell-out that Americans just did not know?
I gave you answers, regardless of the OT issue.
Here I am. Too bad!
Champ,
You are on the money, when dissected, Islamabad becomes Islam a bad religion or Islam is bad for short.
Wild Jew,
You are no Jew! You are a Muslim pretending to be a Jew. Are you ashamed of your religion? I do not blame you. I must give you credit for picking God's favorite religion to hide your shame.
jowen - It's YOU who is the Fascist, and your evil "religion" that is Fascistic. Oh, and let's not forget Nazi, through-and-through.
Get a clue, Brainwashed 'Bot.
Concerning the Marriott, the "Religion of Pieces" has struck again. Won't be the last time. As the title of Brigitte Gabriel's new book reads, "They Must Be Stopped."
http://us.macmillan.com/theymustbestopped
Wild Jew,
You are no Jew! You are a Muslim pretending to be a Jew. Are you ashamed of your religion? I do not blame you. I must give you credit for picking God's favorite religion to hide your shame.
Posted by: American at September 22, 2008 9:52 AM
Yep, not a Jew. Unless it's that Uber-Dhimmi Noah Feldman at Harvard, who should be ashamed of himself.
Read all the way through WJ's post including Hugh's final reply to WJ. All he did was quote George Bush.