Multiple bombings in New Delhi kill at least 18; Indian Mujahedin warned of impending strike

Islam, still murdering Hindu's after all these years...

So maybe it's not just about Israel. Or perhaps Iraq, or even Afghanistan. Maybe it's about a bunch of savage goat humping stoneage retards bent on world domination. When will our spineless leaders speak the truth?

"There Are Two Types of Terrorism, Blessed and Deplorable - [The Mujahideen's] Terrorism is Blessed"

Violence can either take lives or save lives. In both cases, it is violence. America's violence is meant to take lives, and so its terrorism is deplorable, whereas the violence the mujahideen use for defense and retaliation is meant to protect lives and defend honor. Their terrorism is blessed. Not all terrorism is deplorable.

-Sheikh Omar Bakri

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD205008

Where is the Muslim who will say this is wrong?

India's "Muslim problem" is no longer confined to Kashmir. One wonders at what point this episodic Jihadi violence will begin to scare off investors and arrest India's remarkable economic emergence?

Other questions to be asked...

How long will the negationists continue their domination of India's historical narrative? How long until the Hindu genocide is taught as a matter of course in Indian public schools, instead of being swept under the rug as it is today, a sacrificial lamb in the cause of promoting Hindu-Muslim amity? How long until the Indian people become fully comprehending of the Jihad that threatens the stability, peace and prosperity of their nation?

How long...?

Muslims forced the partition of India to create what are now Pakistan and Bangladesh ( East Pakistan) from former Indian territory. Both of these countries are now something over 90% muslim after once being much more diverse. All those who aren't muslim are demographically dropping in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Of course this is not enough for them. They want India too. They won't get it, but they sure will make life miserable for India. Jihad is forever. Nobody knows this better than India.

OT,
Video of the Swift Plant problems,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGxqeK3ork

The govt elite of India must believe there are just too many Hindus around and they will just come back anyhow. There seems to be no outrage in India, is life not sacred? Time to label islam a terrorist organization, name the elephant in the room,what ever, drop the PC attitude and save your civilization.

India should attack Pakistan without further notice.

If only George Bush hadn't gone into Iraq. None of this would be happening.

"If only George Bush hadn't gone into Iraq. None of this would be happening.

Posted by: The Cool Ghoul "

that is not true....Muslims have been attacking India many years before hostilities occured in Iraq.

pulsar182,

I was being sarcastic. I should have used the [/sarcasm] denotation after my previous post.

In the Jaipur claim, the group declared "open war" against India in retaliation for what it said were 60 years of Muslim persecution and the country's support of United States' policies.

The muslims are outraged over this outrage!

An Australian-made video game that encourages players to massacre Muslim people has caused international outrage.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,422122,00.html

OUTRAGE! This insensitive and evil game targeted innocent muslims -- those peace loving innocents -- it's appaling!

Real people being really killed and really maimed by real muslims with real bombs, in real cities around the world, in reality?

Ahhh, who cares! It's those insensitive video cames is what we should focus on.

Why, we need to mandate a law or two or three to protect muslims.

/sarc_off

I am currently in Delhi, and today, while I didn't see any blood up close and in person, I got to experience the panic that other people feel when something like this happens.

I had gone shopping with some relatives, and while we were in an electronics showroom in a Delhi market that luckily wasn't one of the ones to get hit, suddenly on the many TV screens, the news flashed about a bomb in the first market in question. The store employees were discussing which places were affected, and after a while, the news came of more serial blasts hitting the other 2 markets. Then my phone, and that of my 2 relatives started ringing off the hook, with my sister screaming that we come home right away (while the new phone that her hubby just bought was getting synced). Cell phone traffic in the area was at a peak, with everybody getting similar calls from terrified relatives. After that was ready, we all ran back to the car parked some distance away, and that was common to almost all the public in the area, very aware of what was going on elsewhere in the city.

Once we were in, we drove to one of their offices, and decided to wait while watching the news, to avoid getting caught in the traffic and the crowds. There, just about all our relatives elsewhere in the country were calling us up to check on us, amid that major network congestion, and we had to assure everyone that we were fine. After a while, we drove home, and my sister was relieved that we were back safe and sound.

While the follow-up action to this attack has been swift - 5 suspects of the Indian Mujahideen already detained, the source of the e-mail claiming responsibility had been traced to a Mohammedan company in Eastern Mumbai and 3 more bombs elsewhere in the capital had been defused - the usual condemnations of Pakistan that follow such attacks are absent, given that it's India's own Mohammedans who are doing this. And among the political bigwigs trying to hog the limelight, none of them had the guts to lambaste the government for treating Mohammedans with kid gloves. Let alone going after Mohammedans, the government doesn't even want to go after all SIMI members, even when SIMI is a banned organization. Instead, warrants have been issued for just 200 SIMI members who may be anywhere in the country, instead of calling for a crackdown that hunts down all SIMI members. Remember - this is an organization that wants to 'liberate India from Infidel rule and bring it back into the fold of the ummah'. The latest update - 25 dead, 100 injured, 3 bombs diffused. All markets and theaters evacuated.

I just wish the Jihadis had successfully targeted Parliament, where outside the Parliament, one bomb was diffused. If politicians had to pay with their blood, instead of average citizens paying with theirs, they would not be taking such half baked measures against Jihad. In India's case, that's exactly what it'll take.

Firstly, my utmost sympathies to the innocents whose blood was shed by these scum in the name of a dead child molester.

"If politicians had to pay with their blood, instead of average citizens paying with theirs, they would not be taking such half baked measures against Jihad. In India's case, that's exactly what it'll take."

You hit it egzackly. It's a freakin' shame that that is what it takes.

I've only recently become aware of the number of folks in the US that deny the existence of terrorists. They believe that it's all a plot by the US gov to scare us into giving up our freedom. Apparently they don't pay much attention to the international news...just local.

They thoroughly believe that the next terrorist attack will be made by the US against the US, or some Christian terrorists, (ya hear about em' all the time!) will be responsible. Sheesh...

Until they see a loved ones throat cut in front of them, this is what they will believe.
Denial. You see it at the various leftist web sites. It's so weird to read conversations tweenst the Moonbats. How Christian terrorists here in America are a far greater threat than any Islamic terrorists. Wow. I'm still stunned at the level of ignorance...and hatred.

It's kinda like the time I was fixin' t' drive back to Alaska from Florida and I mentioned to some friends that I was leaving soon on the drive.

Some fellah that was visitin' with one of my buddies said, "Drive? How are you gonna do that?" I asked him what he meant. He says, "Well...it's out there in the middle of the ocean, below Texas, next to Hawaii."

His ignorance was so monumental that I could no longer speak to him.

Same at Huffpo. How does one enlighten a Flatearther? Sorry...caint be done.

Damn...see what a few years in the South kin do to your English?

Islam is a lie and truth is killing it.

Infidel Pride

Good to hear that you and your family are OK. Keep Mr Spencer updated on any new developments.

I will be off to church in an hour: while there I will pray for the recovery of the wounded, the comfort of the bereaved, and for the swift apprehension and PUNISHMENT of all Muslim jihadists responsible for this act of wickedness. Indeed, I have been praying for some time for the COMPLETE DEFEAT of the Jihad against India (as everywhere else).

I recommend that all non-Indian jihadwatchers here present should write brief, polite letters of condolence to the Indian Embassy or consulate in our home countries. Express our condolences with non-Muslim India, for the economic damage and human suffering caused by this latest act of violent Jihad.

Final note - from the article - the Muslims have the HIDE to complain about '60 years of Muslim persecution' (i.e they think India has been persecuting them for 60 years).

Well: someone should raise the little matter of the millions upon millions of Hindu and Buddhist Indians who were butchered like cattle by howling jihadists, during the unendurable centuries of Muslim invasions and occupations of large portions of India. And the millions and millions who were enslaved and treated more cruelly than animals. And the millions who were robbed of everything.

Only Africa has suffered worse than India, from the abomination of desolation that Islam produces everywhere it goes.

Only Africa has suffered worse than India, from the abomination of desolation that Islam produces everywhere it goes.

But what is the Indian government doing but cozying up to the Muslims?
It's easier to understand the complicity of Muslim governments but why is India going along?
We must be careful not to offend the "overwhelming majority of Muslims who are not violent and who oppose violence"?
If they opposed this violence, REALLY opposed it, it wouldn't happen on the scale that it does. They would be informing on those who are planning attacks before they happen. They would oppose the jihadists preaching in the mosque. They would refuse to support groups like Hamas, charity wing or no.
They don't. Their action (or inaction) speaks louder than their words. Let them claim to be peaceful. It's taqiyya, all of it.

The loss of life is saddening. But let's not blame Islam for this - there are literally hundreds of millions of Muslims who are just like you and me, who do not support the actions of these people. This may be a lone cry for sense on this site but I must make an attempt for the sake of peace in the world.

For whatever reason, these Muslims in India have become alienated from the mainstream and are hitting out against their own countrymen. Instead of alienating them further, we need to understand their problems, why they feel persecuted, why they feel killing random people will give them solace from their grievances etc.

As a Hindu who grew up with many Muslim friends around me, I know as a fact that they're extremely loving people and really no different from others. Their religion has been hijacked by extremists who hide-out and plan these dastardly attacks. Instead of painting with a wide brush and destroying the love, we need to keep these mainstream Muslims on the side of peace and sense. The war is not between Islam and Hinduism/Sikhism/Buddhism, it's between extremists and moderates who form the mainstream. If one thinks of extremist outfits like the Indian Mujahideen, SIMI or Lashkar-e-Toiba on the Muslim side, us Hindus aren't any less with murderous and bullying outfits like RSS and VHP. Granted they haven't yet taken to bombing, but they're definitely responsible for recent mass killing of Muslims in India. Karma has a way of coming back - if these Hindu outfits feel nothing targetting Muslims, there will definitely be Muslim outfits who'll be out for revenge in killing innocent non-Muslims. Let's seek to understand and bring them over as friends and brothers, otherwise all hope for peace in India is lost.

If extremists of whichever religion or state weren't allowed to hold the country to ransom, we in India'd all be living happily making gradual but steady progress towards improving lives, instead of getting mired in these useless conflicts.

Arjun08,
Understanding hasn't gotten us anywhere.
Do your loving friends stay away from the mosque?
Enough of the "tiny minority of extremists". There are over one billion Muslims! There aren't enough to fight that "tiny minority"?

Arjuno8,

To start off lets look at the roots of Islam, the very begginings. Read these quotes and tell me if they sound like they come from an "extremist" QUOTE: "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land." , ""I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle." Do those sound like things a so called "extremist" would say? Those are quotes from Mohammed. That is the exact same things that "extremists" do, kill, slaughter, have prisoners, treat women like dirt, all that stuff, Mohammed did. I know this because I have seen what he has said and know how bad it is. Actually his first wife was only 6 years old. This tells me that Muslims that follow what Mohammed said, and beileve that they should do what he tells people to do are extremists. My point here is, that if you look down to the very roots of Islam you can see that terrorism was already a major part of the religon and the that the "prophet" Mohammed that started it all was infact an "extremist" which should show you that the person who started the religon was an "extremist". If you think that this is a religon of peace, Im not buying it.

Arjun08,

Your comment makes no sense. What is that you are trying to accomplish. Grievances! What grievances? Explain to me what has been hijacked? Where are these so called Muslims who are like you and me? Are you saying they are humans like you and me? I can agree with that but beyond that no they are not like me. How do you describe moderate and extremists? What is moderate Islam and extremist Islam? Why is that these Muslims are going of and killing non Muslims. I mean I have a lot of grievances. I know many who have grievances but I do not see them going off like Muslims do. You say you have many Muslim friends but you are ignorant of Islam.

You have failed to see the picture. It is not that we non Muslims have done anything to Muslims it is they themselves who have created their own misery and destitution. Their own blindness and their own limitation has brought misery upon themselves. Their very belief system called Islam has created their grievances. Islam has not dominated the world. For Muslims it has to inorder for peace to exist. You can start there and see how you can address that problem. But be forewarned being a kaffir I doubt they will take your criticism of Islam lightly. The war is between Islam and the rest of the world. You need to study this site that is what you are missing. You have not done your research.

Arun08: "For whatever reason, these Muslims in Indian have become alienated...."

I'll tell you the 'whatever reason" It's called "Islam" It divides the world into Muslims and non-Muslims who must be destroyed or subjugated. That is your 'whatever reason"

PMK, when things like 'Gujarat in 2002' happen, it allows opportunists to sideline people who would have fought against extremism. About my loving friends - some are devout, some aren't - but they all agree with the basic philosophy of one God being called differently by different people and with many paths leading to the destination.

Gymnast, you must look at those quotes in the correct context. Those quotes are from when Mohd was leading his people through difficult times. They are part of the story of Islam, just as stories and quotes in the Bible by various people are just narratives. They aren't to be applied to random situations today. A Muslim who's been brought up with the correct knowledge of the scriptures would not interpret them literally the way you have. BTW, this is what my friends have told me about quotes like 'kill the infidels where you find them' and so on when I questioned them about them.

Savsiv, I will study the site for sure but if what you say is true, and a billion Muslims were out to kill-kill-kill, the world would be much more violent, don't you think?

Jewcat, I disagree. I think the 'whatever reason' has more to do with growing intolerance in India vis-a-vis Muslims. They are suffering persecution in places like Gujarat, and are in general extremely neglected. Did you know that they are the poorest and most backward group of people, for lack of the educational opportunities afforded to others, particularly the upper castes? Did you know that landlords and entire apartment complexes in places like Mumbai routinely refuse to let Muslims buy or rent a unit - the excuse given is something flimsy like Muslims slaughter goats in the complex and don't clean up the blood, or this is a vegetarian complex where we don't allow meat-eaters, and so on. I could go on. But I strongly suggest you try to place yourself in the shoes of a Muslim and imagine what it's like, when you face this daily, when there's nowhere to turn, even the police look at you suspiciously instead of helping. Anyone would be driven into a persecution complex and herd mentality when faced with this, and yes, possibly even strike out in frustration. I strongly urge my fellow countrymen to see it from someone else's perspective than their own limited one, however difficult that is.

Correction: I strongly urge not just my fellow countrymen but also everyone here to broaden your perspective just a little bit and imagine walking in the shoes of these people.

Before my previous comment gets misinterpreted as apologist, I want to clarify that I am not defending those behind these attacks - they're plain murderers and need to be punished for killing so many completely innocent people who were just going about their business. Kids, families, lovers of all sorts of faiths and groups, maybe even Muslims among them. But I want to draw the line between these people and the large silent majority of Muslims who have nothing to do with the killers at all.

APJ Kalam, Irfan Pathan, Sania Mirza, Zakir Hussain, A.R.Rahman, SRK, Aamir Khan, Shabana Azmi - don't ever forget that these are all Muslims before you make claims about their faith.

DDA, thanks.

Arjun08

It's precisely because of traitors like you that Mohammedans are free to do what they want with impunity. Show me a case where the VHP or RSS has tried to create terror in any non-Hindu country in order to intimidate its citizens into either becoming Hindus, or to acknowledging Hindus as a superior order - the equivalent of what SIMI/Indian Mujahideen is doing right now not just in Kashmir, but all over India. Only vermin such as you might opine that Ayodhya belongs to the Mohammedans: for us, it belongs to Shri Rama. If the RSS and VHP were as fanatical as you claim, why have they not raised any hue and cry about the fact that there are Jain & Sikh shrines existing in Ayodhya? (This is like the blood libel about the Serbs, and yet, in Macedonia, the Macedons are being attacked not by Serbs, but by Albanian Mohammedans.)

Don't give us that moral equivalence bovine excrement! Even the most extreme of Hindu fanatics don't believe in bringing countries of the world outside the Indian subcontinent under Manu's Smritis, which would be the equivalent of what the Mohammedans are trying to pull off not only in Islamic countries where they run things, but even in predominantly non-Islamic countries, like US, Canada, UK, France, Italy, Serbia, Israel, Thailand, Ethiopia, Philippines and even India. SIMI/IM are not even Paki or Bangladeshi organizations: they are all home grown, and are India's own Mohammedans: the guy 'Tauqueer' who is said to be the mastermind behind yesterday's blasts got his education right here, and is a tech whiz, and has turned that expertize into becoming a one man jihadi army. If India had flushed out these vermin in 1947 when we had the chance, this situation wouldn't have arisen. Now, full security alert will be in play for Ganesh Chaturthi, Durga Puja, Dushera and Diwali, while Mohammedans not only have to fear nothing during Ramadan in Saudi Arabia, they don't even have to fear anything in India.

As for your Mohammedan pals, do you have any way of telling which of them are telling you the truth, and which of them are lying? Are you really as assinine to expect a Mohammedan friend to tell you to your face that he expects to one day convert you to Islam? Have you ever heard of the terms 'taquiyya' and 'kitman'?

9/11 happens, and the US bends over backwards to make Mohammedans feel at home. Yesterday happened, and vermin like you are quick to try and reach out to your 'Muslim brothers'.

Take your secular credentials elsewhere to other Mohammedan loving forums like Toilet Paper of India, NDTV, et al, and leave this place to those of us who recognize Islam as a combination of evil, lethal and global.

Such colourful language, IP :). Relax, breathe out, hate will destroy you from within and shorten your life. I stopped reading after words like traitor and vermin - didn't consider your rant worth my while.

But just one point: You claim RSS/VHP aren't equivalent because they aren't global. Hilarious! Well, it's because the religion isn't global or as spread out as Islam is. Simple, I'd think, but perhaps not.

Forgot to add: Get well soon :).

Arjun08

You may think it hilarious, but the fact that there are no RSS/VHP threats to the Bay Bridge, the Sears Tower, no RSS students in Britain intimidating Mohammedan & Christian girls into marrying and converting to Hinduism, no Hindu employees of US companies demanding recognition of their religious holidays, no Hindu honor killing abroad for Hindu girls eloping with Christians or Jews, no secretive plots in Hindu temples against locals in the West - all of these does contribute to Westerners being lulled into a sense of security as far as Hindus go. Maybe, in your books, that sense of security is false, and they should profile Hindus as aggressively as Mohammedans?

Your 'refutation' of that point made no sense - Islam is as miniscule in the West as Hinduism, and that hasn't stopped Mohammedans from doing what they can to subvert it from within - be it mass immigration, dawa, excessive breeding, et al. While Hindus in the West - including pro-Hindutva Hindus - have adapted and embraced their countries, and not tried to subvert things (beyond an occasional protest at an MF Hussein 'art' exhibit), Mohammedans in the West are doing everything to bring the West under Shariah law.

Most Westerners recognize this difference. I'm gathering that you're new to this site and haven't followed the daily news of outrages by Mohammedans pretty much worldwide, be it in US, Canada, Russia, UK, Israel, Thailand, Malaysia, et al. I suggest educating yourself about what Mohammedans are really about, and what Islam is really about, before surfacing at a site like this and exposing yourself as a first degree cretin. And lest you think that the news stories featured here are inventions of a bunch of communal Islamophobes, all of them are referenced from mainstream media news stories worldwide, from sources as diverse as the New York Times, London Telegraph, Le Monde, Jerusalem Post, Times of India, Strait Times, the Australian, among others.

And as far as hate goes, I don't waste any such emotions on either Islam or Mohammedans - they aren't worth it. But Mohammedan-butt-kissing dhimmis like you, who're unfortunately the majority not only in India but also the West, I dispise and loathe. Not only are you neutral in the war between good and evil, which would be forgivable - you actually protect evil by insisting that the Ummah bears no responsibility for the fact that all these acts are a result of Islamic texts, practiced to the letter by Mohammedans from Anchorage to Auckland. If it weren't for people like you, the worldwide terrorism problem could be nipped in a New York minute.

Ladies and gentlemen

I would not be at all surprised if 'Arjun08' were not a Hindu at all, but a Mohammedan pretending to be a Hindu (with lots of lovely Muslim friends, of course! such lovely sweet loving people! - shall we remind him about Qur'an Surah 48:29, or the guiding principle of al-wala we al'baraa, Loyalty [to Muslims only] and Enmity [to all kafir qua kafir], or about Ibn Kathir's tafsir on Qur'an 3:28:
"Allah said next,

[إِلاَ أَن تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَـةً]
'
(unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers.

'In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly.

'For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, 'We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'?)

I've heard all his arguments before.

1. 'I know lots of Muslims and they are all WONDERFUL people'.

2. 'Islam has been hijacked by a Tiny Minority of Extremists' who Misunderstand the Islamic Scriptures.

3. The pooor little Muslims are SOOOO persecuted, they're just defending themselves. (They cry 'persecution!' and 'oppression' EVERYWHERE they live under non-Muslim majority rule; and yet in all Muslim-majority countries, the things that Muslims do to non-Muslim minorities are ten times, a hundred times worse than the worst things non-Muslims have ever done to Muslims in any non-Muslim majority country except perhaps China).

4. Those violent Qur'an verses are Taken Out of Context.
Mohammed and the Muslims were just Defending Themselves against Persecution - yeah, what had the peaceful unarmed law-abiding Jewish farmers of the Khaybar Oasis ever done to Mohammed and his gang of sand pirates?

5. Other groups are violent too (i.e. the Moral Equivalence/ Tu Quoque argument).

Sorry, I've heard these arguments before, Arjun08, and none of them alters the fact that there are, inside India and outside it, many Muslims who are invoking verses of the Qur'an to justify violent jihad against non-Muslims; exactly as their predecessors have done, for 1350 years, as Jihad has ebbed and flowed according to the capacity of Muslims to pursue it.

Arjun08

One more point - if I imagined myself in the shoes of a Mohammedan, and then saw myself at war with everybody else worldwide, I'd probably look at myself and ask, "What's wrong with me? Am I that bad? Why is everybody at loggerheads with us Muslims? It'd be one thing if it were only Jews, or only Christians, or only Hindus, but it seems to be everybody. Could it be that it's something wrong with us Muslims, and not the rest of the world?"

If a Mohammedan were to humbly approach the VHP to convert to Hinduism, do you really think s/he would be turned down? In the 80s, the VHP did run several (re-)conversion of Mohammedans, and that attracted negative press for them. If I were in the shoes of a Mohammedan, I'd try converting to Judaism, which seems to be closest in terms of certain practices, and failing that or Hinduism, I'd try converting to Sikhism or Buddhism or Jainism. Of course, I'd also have to disappear from the view of my entire family, since they'd probably want to hunt me down if they knew that I was abandoning Islam, so to an extent, I do understand the survival instincts of Muslims who might want to take that option, but too scared to actually do it. Well, no guts, no glory. If the threat level against Mohammedans from Infidels was increased such that they had to weigh the wrath of Infidels vs that of their own families and decide accordingly, following their conscience might be an easier exercise.

Lol i rarely browse JW these days, and even rarely comment! But i cant feel getting indignant when i read gobshite like Arjun's. Take your pseudo-secularist bull crap elsewhere. Its not that i hate Muslims, heck i live with one here even in the cornfields of midwestern United States. But i know Islam for what it is.

As for this attack all i can say is "sigh". India IS a wounded civilization, Hindu mind too tribal and fragmented to put up a united front against the onslaught. Most Hindus have forgotten their history and simply dont care, brought up in post-liberalisation materialism and bastardised religion which is reduced to mudane ritualism. India which has forgotten its own history is condemned to repeat it. The sacrifices of my Maratha predecessors have gone in vain.

Jimmy

The Arjun here should change his name to Dushashan - the Kaurava prince who tried to disrobe queen Draupadi in open court. That would suit him more.

Vikrant

Good to see you again. Like I said, only a successful attack that takes out most Indian politicians or MPs would make India serious about this problem.

"Savsiv, I will study the site for sure but if what you say is true, and a billion Muslims were out to kill-kill-kill, the world would be much more violent, don't you think?"

posted by Arjun08

Again your lack of knowledge and ignorance shows by your ignorant comment. Please do more research a lot more you are coming off as uneducated about many things your depth of understanding unfortunately is lacking just like your Muslim brothers. You need to study some more a lot more. If you make such ridiculous comments like this it makes me wonder that the real problem is you.

Arjun08,

Another disguised Mohammedan using taquiya and deception because Islam has failed miserably. Muslims around the world are in the worst condition and we have such foolish comments by this Mohammedan. Please go and fix your Mohammedans because I will continue to fight Islam and those who support it.

Hey Arjun 08. Gudday mate!
Hi im Rahil from Australia and let me throw a spanner in the works here.
Firstly i'd like to commend you on what seems like a wasted effort to convince people here that hatred is bad.
Well me, im from a family where both my parents practice different religions hence i have been allowed to make my own choice.
To all the people who read this and in someway have either lost or had a family member associated with this terrible event, my heartfelt sympathy goes out to you. I live in a country where we have been blessed not to be troubled by events such as these so you might think i dont feel or understand the pain of the people, whatever their religion be,, who have had loved ones killed. That might well be right but because i havent felt that sad emotion, my thoughts are also not negative and subsequently i wont be judging religions to justify my hatred.
The truth is this, a few people under the name of a particular religious group. ( How they can even be considered religious is beyond me bcoz no religion, and i mean no, yess not even islam condones violence against the innocent and weak)
These few people need to be found, arrested and punished according to their crimes. Some of my hindu brothers here are right,only... if only they didnt show their hatred.People irrespective of their religion, because let me get this right, all ppl regardless of religion living in india are indians rite? these Indians need to get out on the streets and demand that these villians of society, these terrorists( notice im not calling them islamic, muslim) because we all know even through our hatred that really, terrorism has no religion. These terrorists be bought to justice and upon them being convicted with a sentence befitting their crime all of india should join hands and rejoice their punishment. These lowly acting cowards, who justify their weak coward acts by blaming their so called suffering past.. not their past mind you, for they werent even born when some of these alleged atrocities took place. They use that as a means to justify their evil their hatred. And if anyone who reads this message and who sympathises with these terrorists, ask yourself, would someone who screams out of the pain they claim they suffered, if indeed they felt that pain would they make others suffer that knowing how bad it was?? Im a normal human being , no siding with either side, I do know by virtue of my heart that if i felt something painful i sure wudnt want others to feel that. So only people of sick minds will carry out these and justify them. do people really delve in to the depths of islam here on this site for a lot of things said to be because it is written in the quran or practiced by the early muslim is plain bullshyt! no offence but whats not true, please dont lie about it, you sound like the very people who also lie about islam to justify their crimes. Reading is not sufficent understanding is important.
Here on these site i have found out about 2 kinds of evil. One evil was the people who carried out these cowardly attacks and the other evil is the people who generalise the rest of the muslims as being the same and harbour the evil feelings towards them. After all your intention is the same as the perpertrators just one step shy of them in the sense you havent carried out your thoughts, but you harbour the same evil those scum did. Surely you are all no where near as bad as those people
Arjun 08, i really admire your braveness, for only one of the true heart will stand up and speak the truth albeit you really should have called the criminals as such.
I respect both religions as i have had the privilage of my parents showing me the goodness of both. To all lovers haters of either sides.. whether the sadistic militants who claim to fight for islam ( which in itself is a lie) or hindus/other faith , indeed even the moderate (unlike the hardline) muslims are considered on this side for this argument for they are not tribal induced islam followers, rather followers because of what their holy book says. Can you honestly say, that not one muslim, or christian etc was not injured because of this despicable act??? so to the terrorists you have hurt your people of your own religion, be proud you bigots, you arent even faithful to your own religion and to the people who criticise the faith of islam be proud of your comments which might well be read by the family of an injured/deceased muslim from these bombings, who are hating those terrorists more then you do.. be proud of your hatred.
Leave the emotion of anger behind,me coming from someone who read both faiths for their goodness, please for god's sakes dont use religion for your own personal vendetta. And to all those who will say that i dont understand the situation, please tell me, would your hatred bring back the deceased? or are you trying to mirror the image that these terrorists are showing? Lets not get angry, lets get these terrorists, punish them and hope they get the message that a true indian irrespective of religion will not tolerate cowards & bullies, and to the other side, my muslim brothers, make a stand, u should know what real islam is, criminals should be punished not sided with, this is your chance to show yourselves. Do not let these terrorists get away. Anything you know that gets them punished should be used to do so. It might well be true that in the next lot of bombings the person dying might well be a family of the haters on this site, but a bomb does not recognise name or religion, it could also be that the scum you might feel proud of today for standing up in ur religions name ( if u wish to believe such a thing) might well do a deed tomorrow that might see you also lose a loved one.
Best way to solve a problem like this is not to let it eventuate at all.
Again thanks to you Arjun 08 for without your words and seeing how you stood up to those who spoke on hatred and emotions rather then facts i have had the courage to post my say. And to the others who read please feel free to think wrong of me but i hope God gives us peace for all and courage to fight these evil beings who tarnish the name of a religion to pursue their selfish vendettas.

Rahil,

What is it that you are saying? You and your fellow Mohammedans have failed. Arjun08 your Mohammedan brother has failed. Islam has failed. Those who do not fight the Jihad are not guaranteed heaven by allah. Your Jihad here is to spread misinformation and use taquiya. Islam is a hateful, bigoted ideology that commands its followers to subjugate and kill non Muslims. Islam is pathetic and that is why the whole Muslim world is in chaos in war and poor. War and fighting is the way of Mohammedans and the warmonger Mohammad. He even slept with a 9 year old girl. Pretty sick. Islam is sick. These terrorists are your Muslims brothers who are Islamic Jihadis and Islamic terrorists. They are the worst and Mohammedans who support them are equally the most despicable humans. But any way your prophet was a despicable uneducated murderer robber and rapist. So I do not expect anything more from the followers of Mohammedans. There is nothing great in Islam. It spawns foolish idiotic humans in the world. Islam is a total failure. It is rubbish.

Gee, a day following yesterday, and 2 trolls out already?

RahiL

Thanks for the dawa. You might want to try that on your fellow Mohammedans, and particularly start a new sect within Islam, that restricts the meaning of Jihad to only the inner struggle, develop an anti-literalist process by which the sunnah is interpreted, among a number of things. As for your address to fellow ummah members, I'd suggest going to a Jihadist or Islamic site, like ummah.net, rather than here, since the only ones who visit here are those studying the enemy: you aren't going to reach the ummah members from here.

Lucky you are sitting in a non-Islamic hellhole like Australia, as opposed to an Islamic paradise like Malaysia, which is why you are free to follow through on the freedom your parents allowed you (incidentally, of your parents, which one is Mohammedan? It does make a difference. Is your mother a Muslimah who was allowed to marry an Infidel?) Try moving to an Islamic paradise - even a Malaysia or Indonesia will do, no need to move to a Pakistan or a Yemen - and try practicing that tolerant 'version' of Islam that you're describing, and see how far you go. In particular, try becoming an Ahmadiya or a Bahai, and see whether those countries - moderates all of them - recognize it.

Your 'Muslim brothers' are the basis of these 'extremist' claims that India should be Islamic - after all, India was largely Islamic in 1700, and it was only because of nationwide revolts that Hindus and Sikhs ended Mohammedan rule. These 'extremists' want to reconquer that land, and are facilitated by the fact that in 1947, all Mohammedans were not kicked out of India in the same way that all Hindus and Sikhs were kicked out of Pakistan. Had that happened, India today would be as peaceful as Australia, and unlike Western countries, would not be pandering to Mohammedan non-citizens: Indian pols only pander to citizens for votes.

Here is a thought experiment for you RahiL - there are 3 billion Christians worldwide (including Atheists and Agnostics for this discussion, just to keep the terminology conistent), as opposed to one billion Mohammedans. So why don't we have thrice as much terror committed in the name of Christianity as we have of Islam? Why aren't there Christian plotters in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, Iraq, Egypt and a whole lot of other places plotting terror attacks against Islamic regimes and the local Mohammedan populaces there? Why aren't there a correspondingly higher number of Christians who misunderstand their religion and take to violence against Mohammedans? How is it that Christians have no problems following the peaceful messages of their religion, but Mohammedans all over the world get the idea that the violence they perpetrate is justified by the Sunnah? Hmmmm?

savsiv

Arjun08 might just be a dhimmi sap - I wouldn't just jump to the conclusion that he is Mohammedan. Unfortunately, too many Hindus buy that bs that he claims to have been fed from his 'loving Muslim friends' - it's probably those biryani feasts.

It's amazing how clowns like Arjun08 and RahiL totally ignore the fact that in not one Islamic country are non-Muslims allowed to peacefully co-exist, unless that country has a regime at the top that keeps them from being discriminating against Infidels or worse (e.g. Kazakhstan). All the freedoms they expect Mohammedans to have in places like India and Australia are denied to their 'Hindu brothers' in places like Pakistan.

They're ones to talk.

savsiv

Arjun08 might just be a dhimmi sap - I wouldn't just jump to the conclusion that he is Mohammedan. Unfortunately, too many Hindus buy that bs that he claims to have been fed from his 'loving Muslim friends' - it's probably those biryani feasts.

It's amazing how clowns like Arjun08 and RahiL totally ignore the fact that in not one Islamic country are non-Muslims allowed to peacefully co-exist, unless that country has a regime at the top that keeps them from being discriminating against Infidels or worse (e.g. Kazakhstan). All the freedoms they expect Mohammedans to have in places like India and Australia are denied to their 'Hindu brothers' in places like Pakistan.

They're ones to talk.

double post apologies

Infidel Pride,

Yeah maybe you are right that Arjun08 maybe a dhimmi sap. Weather he may or not be the fact he is deluded. I think you have made good points in your posts. The lack of historical context and the idiotic misinformation PC BS has really cost many infidel lives. If you say Arun08 is a dhimmi I would have to agree with you that he is more dangerous than the Mohammedans if not equally.

A Muslim who's been brought up with the correct knowledge of the scriptures would not interpret them literally the way you have. BTW, this is what my friends have told me about quotes like 'kill the infidels where you find them' and so on when I questioned them about them.

by Arjun08

So how come your friends and everyone else who has been "brought up correctly" aren't putting down those who haven't? How come they are not organizing a Muslim Truth Society to spread the peace of Islam within the Muslim community? It won't work with the infidels until Muslims adhere to it. How come they are not condemning every single act of violence that uses the Koran as justification? Are they withholding support from Muslim charities or not? Are they giving their donations to some charity that has nothing to do with Islam?

Instead you'll make excuses like 'Gujarat in 2002'. If those friends of yours will allow such deeds to prevent them from speaking out against all Muslims who give Islam a bad name then they aren't all that peaceful. From here, it seems your friends are the tiny minority of extremists. They're also a silent minority.

gymnast_2 isn't interpreting those words literally. Muslims are. Muslims have been using them as validation for all their deeds. Go ahead and live with your loving Muslim friends. See how loving and tolerant of your beliefs they are once Islam gains ascendancy in India.

gymnast_2,
I don't think Mohammed's "first" wife was six years old.

Old Young Muslims has a BOMB, hiahiaho
and with his BOMB he kill innocents, hiahiaho
with a BOMB Blast here and a BOMB BLAST there
here a BOMB, there a Blast, everywhere a Bomb Blast

Arjun is a mulsim in Hindu name. Muslim burn 50 hindus in a train compartment and raped 15 girls from the same train. which lead to Gujart riots. We can accept the killing of 50 people but can't accept the rape of girls.

Arjun is a Muslim in Hindu name. Muslim burnt 50 Hindus in a train compartment and raped 15 girls from the same train, which lead to Gujarat riots. We can accept the killing of 50 people but can't accept the rape of girls.

PMK, yes, Muslims in India are indeed condemning in the strongest terms such attacks. They have held rallies condemning them on a regular basis. They are afraid to inform because as any Indian will tell you, Muslim or not, police in India are extremely corrupt and going to them for any reason is inviting trouble. They are definitely disparaging such attacks within the community. It's just plain senseless to kill random people in revenge for some other crime like Gujarat.

As for someone comparing religions, every religion has its own aspects of craziness and persecution. Christianity has had horrifying Inquisitions in India and Evangelist-converts today are leading violent freedom movements in some states in India. Hindu society does discriminate on caste and there is constant armed conflict with killings and counter-killings among castes in some states - this is even worse than discriminating against non-religionists. Sikh society is notoriously discriminatory towards their fairer sex with the lowest sex ratio and highest rate of gender violence. Buddhists when in power in places like Tibet have been known to be ruthless and discriminatory. Comparing religious violence is a non-starter.

To others foaming at the mouth like IP and Camberleyer (who apparently thinks little of the "Hindu" mind, so I should probably discount his): whatever floats your boats.

Arjun08,
You're the one comparing religious violence, not me. I am saying why Muslims don't condemn this violence and end it. You're not doing that.
People are afraid to speak up. That's the excuse every time. Case closed.

Interesting how even a 'Hindu' like Arjun08 couldn't refute even one point I made in any of the subsequent posts where I didn't call him a vermin or traitor - such as the descrepancy between Islamic and Infidel societies in terms of treatment of religious minorities, the fact that Hindus, whatever their caste, don't cause collective trouble in Western societies, et al. Instead, just tu quoque arguments about Christianity in the 17th century, non-sequiturs about Hindu castism and Sikh patriarchy (know any religion that's matriarical? Also, where in the Guru Granth Sahib is there anything equal to 4:3, 4:34?), and what takes the cake - Buddhist ruthlessness. And we're expected to engage him in serious conversation?

Marisol

If you deleted Jimmy for whatever reason, you might also want to show Arjun08 the door as well - other than being an exhibit on a garden variety dhimmi, he's adding nothing pedagogical to this discussion, other than engaging in tu quoque and taquiyya arguments. One would have hoped this thread would have focussed on yesterday's bombings, rather than a wholesale exercise in excuse manufacturing.

Hi Vikrant! Good to hear from you again - I've been reading steadily through the archives and have read lots of your past postings.

You were a teenager in high school when you started reading and posting at jihadwatch; then a while ago you dropped by and mentioned you were at uni. Are you still studying? If so, a few reports on the state of affairs at campus, re. Mohammedan presence and activities, wouldn't go astray.

Do what you can to educate the Americans you come across - point them first to V S Naipaul's two books on what Islam does to societies ('Among the Believers' and 'Beyond Belief') then 'India: A Wounded Civilisation'. Naipaul is very enjoyable to read, so it's painless learning. Then show them where they can read K S Lal online. Back it up with the stories from your own family's history, about what Muslims do to non-Muslims the moment they [the Muslims] feel themselves strong enough. Tell people about the Maratha (and which history books to read).

Please don't give up on India. You pray after your fashion; I'll pray after mine. Both the USA and Australia are logical allies for India against the Third Jihad; if Aussies and Yankees can get *their* heads straight about Islam, they might be able to help people like you wake up India.

@dumblesdoresarmy: Yeah i did post on JW like 4 years ago when i was in high school in UK. As for India, its a lost cause dumbledore, Hindu culture and religion is on brink of being consigned to historical irrelevance. I'd daresay less than 1% Hindus have ever read Vedas or even their history. Modern Indian culture is mindlessly conformist and myopic.

As for situation at my uni, i'm not going ot say anything but: http://housing.uiuc.edu/dining/ramadan.htm

Arjun08,

you make a ridiculous comment about Sikhs and gender violence... if that was the case how do you explain the sex ratio in Haryana, which is pretty much the same as in the Punjab? How do you explain the honour killings by Hindu Jats of Haryana? Are you going to ascribe those to Sikhs as well?

What might make sense is that having been exposed to Islamic culture may have brought misogynistic attitudes to the Punjab plains which includes Haryana as well... Sikhs condemn gender violence and abortions regularly in our Gurdwaras. So lose the stereotyped BS about Sikhs... Hindus of that region aren't any different in their behaviour generally speaking. The only difference is that any time something happens involving a Sikh, the person's religion is mentioned, but when the person is a Hindu, it isn't in the media...

As for the bomb blasts - nothing will happen in India because it only affects the common man. Until the elites in India feel the pinch nothing will change. What might help India is a revolution like the one that happened in France, where the elites were made to pay for exploiting the population as it were... (not that I'm advocating the wholesale liquidation of the elite class in India)

Regards.

Jalandhar, my apologies. I wasn't aware that Hindu Jats in that region had similar behavioral patterns though it doesn't surprise me since misogyny is not alien to Hindu society either. And I agree with you about the media bias, but I attribute it more to majority-minority politics in general. Typically, in any country, news involving the majority is not qualified with rcial or religious labels, but that involving minorities is. It needs to change.

"All the freedoms they expect Mohammedans to have in places like India and Australia are denied to their 'Hindu brothers' in places like Pakistan."

IP, the fact taht extremist societies like Saudi Arabia's with an orthodox interpretation of the Qur'an do not treat Hindus, Christians or people of other faiths fairly and actively discriminate against them is insufficient justification from my perspective for mistreating Muslims in India. It doesn't work that way. India is constitutionally a secular country where everyone is recognized to have equal rights, so there's just no legal justification for discrimination. Also, just because Hindus are mistreated in Pakistan is no reason to do the same to Muslims in India. An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. Someone has to stop and make the first move towards peace.

"I'd daresay less than 1% Hindus have ever read Vedas or even their history. Modern Indian culture is mindlessly conformist and myopic."

Yes, hard as it might be to understand, population problems being what they are, people have to spend the majority of their time earning a living rather than studying ancient scriptures or history. Besides, I don't understand how reading the Vedas would improve anything in India - it won't eliminate poverty, discrimination or intolerance. Rather it's likely to make it worse.

As for the bomb blasts - nothing will happen in India because it only affects the common man. Until the elites in India feel the pinch nothing will change.

That's absolutely right, and echos what I said above. In 1984, following Indira Gandhi's assassination, Sikhs everywhere in India took it bad - something completely undeserved. However, if Mohammedans were to pull of something like that and get that sort of a blowback nation-wide, they would have completely earned it, and that would make them as reluctant to wage Jihad as the Kazakhs and Uzbeks.

IP, the fact taht extremist societies like Saudi Arabia's with an orthodox interpretation of the Qur'an do not treat Hindus, Christians or people of other faiths fairly and actively discriminate against them is insufficient justification from my perspective for mistreating Muslims in India. It doesn't work that way. India is constitutionally a secular country where everyone is recognized to have equal rights, so there's just no legal justification for discrimination. Also, just because Hindus are mistreated in Pakistan is no reason to do the same to Muslims in India. An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. Someone has to stop and make the first move towards peace.

India being secular has never inspired any Islamic country - not Pakistan, not Bangladesh, not Malaysia, not KSA, not Qatar, nobody - to treat Hindus fairly! The same can be said for the West - Israel doesn't mistreat its Mohammedan population, but that doesn't make Mohammedans stop hating Jews, while the West is as pandering towards Mohammedans as India is, and that hasn't stopped Christians from being persecuted in Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt, among other places. The thing that you won't see is that countries like India, Israel, Thailand, Philippines are the only ones making any steps towards peace, and their Mohammedan enemies only reciprocate when they are weakened, along the lines of the treaty of al Hudaibiya. Also, I was not saying that Mohammedans should be mistreated in India just because Hindus and others are in Islamic countries - what I was pointing out is that Mohammedans and Mohammedan apologists have no basis to complain about mistreatment of Mohammedans, given that in the countries that they run things, they never treat their minorities fairly.

Seeing your above response to Jalandhar, I'm now convinced that you are actually a Mohammedan masquerading as a Hindu (and probably a non-Indian being fed your propaganda from Indian Mohammedan sources and the likes of the Arundhati Roys), or else you would have known that there are no differences between Sikh and Hindu practices in the area. Also, I disagree with Jalandhar - honor killings are a rarity in India, although the way women are treated does leave a lot to be desired. However, there is nothing in Hindu or Sikh scriptures that mandates the mistreatment of women, while Quran 4:3 (allows upto 4 wives) and Quran 4:34 (recommends beating of wives) not only makes it impossible for Islamic societies to crack down on domestic violence or end polygamy, but also creates problems for Western authorities when they are dealing with Islamic domestic violence.

As for not reading history, that's the only way Hindus like you can blissfully co-exist with Mohammedans, unaware that one day, they'll explode out of nowhere. I gather that you are totally unaware of the >100 million Hindus that were slaughtered between the invasions of Mahmoud of Ghazni to Ahmad Shah Abdali. But then again, for Gandhian apologists like you, Hindu blood has always been cheap, while Mohammedan blood has always been sacred. Of course, the various Nehruvian-Leftist coalitions have ensured that history books are whitewashed to show the Brits as the only bad guys, the Congress movement as the only heros, so that the result is ignoramuses like you.

I strongly recommend that you take your pro-Islamic kitman elsewhere. As you've probably noticed, nobody here buys your line that the Mohammedans are extremely loving people.

"what I was pointing out is that Mohammedans and Mohammedan apologists have no basis to complain about mistreatment of Mohammedans, given that in the countries that they run things, they never treat their minorities fairly."

Sorry, I don't see what laws in Middle-Eastern Islamic countries run by dictators have to do with those in secular India?? In India, we're committed to diversity and equal treatment of all, regardless of religion or other attributes. So sorry, but there is plenty of basis for opposing mistreatment of citizenry on whatever basis.

"Seeing your above response to Jalandhar, I'm now convinced that you are actually a Mohammedan masquerading as a Hindu (and probably a non-Indian being fed your propaganda from Indian Mohammedan sources and the likes of the Arundhati Roys), or else you would have known that there are no differences between Sikh and Hindu practices in the area."

IP, IP, you're so clueless, it's scary. In a country as diverse as India, unfamiliarity with social behaviors in other states doesn't translate to being non-Indian or non-Hindu :). I'm starting to wonder if you've ever visited India at all, or if you're one of those extremist armchair Hindus of the NRI variety, who know not the basics of Hindu ideals.

"I strongly recommend that you take your pro-Islamic kitman elsewhere. As you've probably noticed, nobody here buys your line that the Mohammedans are extremely loving people."

I hear your recommendation and choose not to accept it, thanks. I know that for you a discussions is interesting if everyone is just echoing what others are saying. I prefer varying viewpoints to have an interesting discussion. Also, I don't care whether people buy my "line" or not. I suggest you get to know at least one Muslim before you make claims about them. But I know you won't, because it might just destabilize your perceptions.

As for the constant caterwauling about me being non-Hindu or non-Indian, give it a rest. I know who I am and don't need to prove it to anyone, least of all to you. And even if I weren't a
Hindu Brahmin, my posts and opinions stand on their own.

"I gather that you are totally unaware of the >100 million Hindus that were slaughtered between the invasions of Mahmoud of Ghazni to Ahmad Shah Abdali. But then again, for Gandhian apologists like you, Hindu blood has always been cheap, while Mohammedan blood has always been sacred."

A thousand of so years ago as part of a military conquest. And for that, you'd want all of us to turn into blood-thirsty avengers targetting innocent people here in the 21st century. Sorry, not convinced.

I don't think Arjun08 is a muslim, he's probably a gandhian or commie reading propaganda from various 'seculars'. India is a very dhimmi country and it's reflected in it's government. Your views might be more interesting at this site

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewforum.php?f=1

Arjun08 is clueless because he thinks he has a good muslim friend. If given the chance, that person will promptly stab him in the back. That is what is already happening in muslim majority areas of the country like Kashmir and in Pak and BD

Arjun08 is either a first rate dhimmi, or commie, or a Muslim apologist. In one post he talks about alienation of Indian muslims. Well, I have news for you, Arjun. Muslims are ALWAYS alienated in any infidel society because they never want to integrate. They DEMAND to maintain a separate identity. I have no issues with anyone following his/her religion privately. But, I and many, many infidels have a problem with "in-your-face" Islam that cries out:look at me, I am Muslim and I am distinct. This starts with the noise pollution of "azan" early in the morning that disturbs our sleep everyday. Your Allah may be great, but you don't have to kill my sleep to let me know that. Frankly, we don't give a damn whether Allah is great or not.

If Muslims feel alienated in India, that is their fault and not our (Hindus') responsibility. The problem is that Muslims want their cake and eat it too. To use an old Indian saying (loosely translated into English), they not only want the fruit from the tree, they also want the ones fallen on the ground. Well, they can't have it both ways, no matter how much they whine. Muslims demanded and got their Islamic heaven in the form of Pukistan in 1947 based on Jinnah's argument that Hindus and Muslims CANNOT live together. So, what are they doing in India anyway? They have their country, so they must go there. If alienation is the cause of their backwardness, why are they not prospering in Pukistan?

You (Arjun) talk about Gujarat 2002. Let us talk about it. What happened in Godhara? As an Islamic apologist, you make no mention of it. What happened in Marad (Hindu fishermen killed by Muslims), in Mau (Hindus killed for celebrating Dashahra), in Kashmir valley (400000 Hindus ethnically cleansed, thousands killed)? Did your Muslims friends ever condemn any of these? You talk of VHP, RSS etc. These outfits have emerged purely to defend Hindu interests, not out of any desire to kill or hurt indiscriminately. When did RSS or VHP indulge in bombings of trains, buses, markets even in Muslim majority places like Kashmir? When did a Buddhist blow himself up in a mosque because of the destruction of Bamiyan Buddha? Read Naipaul to understand what Islam has done to India. That is history, you will say. But the Muslims are trying to repeat that history with their avowed goal of flying the filthy, slimey green flag of Islam from the ramparts of Red Fort in Delhi. So, spare us your taqiya and stop your apologetics. We are descendants of Marathas and Shivaji is our hero. We will NEVER submit to Islam.

I know that this is a dead thread, but for those re-visiting the archives, here's one more titbit to chew on.

In today's Hindustan times, there was a letter to the editor that went as follows:

Ashamed to be a Muslim

The serial blasts in Delhi are a reprehensible. And I am ashamed that no Muslim leader or public figure has come out condemning these acts. I bow my head in shame when my non-Muslim friends ask me how could the culprits do such a thing during the holy month of Ramzan. After black Saturday in Delhi, I am contemplating renaming my two-and-a-half-year-old daughter before she goes to school so that she will [sic - should have been will not] be identified as a Muslim. If those terrorists are proud to be Muslims, forgive me, Allah, but I am ashamed to be one.


Firoz Ali, via email
Now, while it is perfectly possible that Firoz Ali may have been practicing taquiyya, assuming that he's being genuine here, that's the sort of reaction civilized Mohammedans should have. If the Mohammedan friends that Arjun08 refered to were anything like Firoz Ali, he wouldn't need to defend them - they'd be leaving Islam in droves and he wouldn't think that they are under assault. After all, nobody has anything against those jettisoning Islam.

Firoz Ali would do well to rename his daughter - and himself ought to jettison Islam rather than live in shame. Can become anything else - Sikh, Hindu, Jain, Buddhist, Christian, Jew, whatever.

I know that this is a dead thread, but for those re-visiting the archives, here's one more titbit to chew on.

In today's Hindustan times, there was a letter to the editor that went as follows:

Ashamed to be a Muslim

The serial blasts in Delhi are a reprehensible. And I am ashamed that no Muslim leader or public figure has come out condemning these acts. I bow my head in shame when my non-Muslim friends ask me how could the culprits do such a thing during the holy month of Ramzan. After black Saturday in Delhi, I am contemplating renaming my two-and-a-half-year-old daughter before she goes to school so that she will [sic - should have been will not] be identified as a Muslim. If those terrorists are proud to be Muslims, forgive me, Allah, but I am ashamed to be one.

Firoz Ali, via email

Firoz Ali would do well to rename his daughter - and himself ought to jettison Islam rather than live in shame. Can become anything else - Sikh, Hindu, Jain, Buddhist, Christian, Jew, whatever.