Evidently no one stands up in these mosques and says, "Wait a minute, fellows. You guys are twisting and hijacking my peaceful religion. As everyone knows, jihad is an interior spiritual struggle."
And meanwhile, of course, anyone who protests against the building of a given mosque in the West is ipso facto a "racist" and a "bigot." No one could have a healthy and well-founded suspicion about what can happen and has happened inside mosques. Oh, no.
"Jamat-ud-Dawa using mosques for jihad: Report," from the Times of India, September 23 (thanks to Twostellas):
ISLAMABAD: Activists of an organisation led by Lashker-e-Taiba founder Hafiz Muhammad Saeed are using mosques to issue calls for jihad against the US in Pakistan's northwestern city of Peshawar, a media report said on Tuesday.Members of Jamat-ud-Dawa, set up by Saeed after the Lashker-e-Taiba was banned by the Pakistan government, have been operating in the city's posh residential districts like Hayatabad and University Town, where they address people in mosques about the importance of jihad, the Daily Times said.
Quoting eyewitnesses, the newspaper said the activists have issued calls for a holy war against the US to worshippers at different mosques.
"A young, bearded and long-haired activist of the Jamat-ud-Dawa stood up after the Fajr (morning) prayers and began calling for jihad against infidels," said a University of Peshawar professor who had come across the activists at Madina mosque.
Mumtaz Khan, a resident of Hayatabad, who came across an extremist at Bilal mosque, said the fundamentalists cite dangers to Pakistan to incite people for war.
"The extremists first speak about geopolitics (and) dangers to Pakistan from both eastern and western borders and then urge the importance of jihad," he said.
A caretaker of one of the mosques confirmed that the Jamat-ud-Dawa, which describes itself as a charitable organisation, was using mosques to invite people for jihad.
"Under what law can I stop them from doing so? There is no law, both governmental or Islamic," said the caretaker, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
"These callers come at different prayer times and are peaceful and appear to be pro-Pakistan," the caretaker added....
There are always 101 reasons for Jihad. The only dangers to the people of Pakistan are these bozos and their Talban brothers. Of course what they are doing is citing Islamic law that states that if a Muslim land is under attack then all Muslims are obligated to Jihad. I often read Robert explaining this.
I have also heard Robert explaining that there is not as yet any Muslim State calling for Jihad, which would be the other Islamic rule, but what about Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s call for the destruction of Israel – is that not an Islamic state calling for Jihad? Anyone?
The irony is that the very Taleban, who ISI created and supported, is threatening the peace and security of Pakistan. Add to that Jihad and Al-Qaeda, Pakistan has no option but to resist their 'true muslim brothers' from running over the land of the 'pure'.
Putting in the author's words, "Perhaps a time has finally come to call a spade a spade."
http://www.pakistanherald.com/Article.asp?cat_id=8&art_id=343&chk=1
This, while POTUS is discussing "US incursion, not Al-Qaeda or Bin Laden or Terror, but US incursion, in Pakistan: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1151ap_bush.html?source=rss
Perhaps POTUS has forgotten his own words: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070725-2.html
Evidently no one stands up in these mosques and says, "Wait a minute, fellows. You guys are twisting and hijacking my peaceful religion. As everyone knows, jihad is an interior spiritual struggle."
Thus putting the lie to the very notion of the peaceful Muslim. The peaceful Muslim is one who acts that way around people who are NOT Muslim and who calls for all Muslims to behave in a similar fashion.
The imam and those who attend the mosque that does otherwise have no claim on "peace".
"These callers come at different prayer times and are peaceful and appear to be pro-Pakistan," the caretaker added....
Peaceful is in the eye of the beholder.
A report once stated that 80% of mosques in America are run by extremist clerics...I believed then and I believe it now...
Ban new mosque construction...and monitor those in existence...
My guess is that all mosques are monitored. I would also guess that some of the new converts are informants too. There's no way that they could help from being this way.
Evidently no one stands up in these mosques and says, "Wait a minute, fellows. You guys are twisting and hijacking my peaceful religion. As everyone knows, jihad is an interior spiritual struggle."
If the truth be known, the Koran and Sharia do not address much towards the "greater jihad" (inner struggle); however there is a great protiond devoted to the "lesser fihad" which is holy war. One must remember that Islam started out as a band of theives. What better occupation for a caravaner then raiding caravans.
What a shock !
Totally unexpected and unbelievable.
Next people will be saying that the Muslim Faith is showing its true colours.
Land O'Goshen, what is this world coming to.
DeadRecknoning - I have to agree with your posting. Mohammed was not very effective as a prophet in the "cosmopolitean" Mecca. It was only when his mesage reached the nomadic tribes did he can adherents to his new religion. Indeed, when the prophet first settles in Medina, he turns to robbing caravans to make ends meet.
Not sure why this is news since everyone on this site already knows that over 80% of the Mosques built just in this country are finance by the Saudi Government which of course supports Wahhabism here in the USA and around the world. While living in the largest Muslim country in the world I frequented numerous Mosques and although the bulk of them didn’t call out for the killing of the non-Muslims of the world, all of them blamed every problem associated with their Religion and with their government on the USA. One can only except one of the most radical Muslim countries in the World such as Pakistan to preach hate in everyone of their Mosques since not to preach hate would be against the mainstream of the Muslim world and only bring violence against the Mosque that didn’t call out for the destruction of the non-Muslim world.
Please also note that it was only when the Middle Eastern Imams starting taking over all the Mosques around the world thanks to oil money that the Mosques in the mostly peaceful Muslim countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia started to radicalize.
Please also note that it was only when the Middle Eastern Imams starting taking over all the Mosques around the world thanks to oil money that the Mosques in the mostly peaceful Muslim countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia started to radicalize.
Posted by: bapakgila
A valid point but it doesn't explain why the PEOPLE in those mosques took to the new message. Many must have grown up with a totally different view of Islam and they were in very different societies than those in the Middle East so why did those in countries such as Indonesia took to the Wahhabist version with little difficulty? The people vastly outnumber the imams.
Now here is a real brain breaker for some. To follow the core concepts of the west, freedom of just about everything religion included OR not. The results of making either choice are tough to swallow.
In reality the choices are not limited to just yes or no. Unfortunately we don't need no stinkin' reality is our way of easily handling things. Heaven forbid that we consider a choice that is difficult to live with. A choice that takes strength and a long term commitment to work.
Celebrate your religion or not, if you foment revolution and violence in the west you are not welcome and will be asked to leave. Unwelcome and asked to leave because you foment violence and revolution not because of your religion. I do believe that laws are already on the books to prevent this sort of thing. Now all we need is the courage to stand up and apply them.
Exit question: Will our own home grown west haters/anarchists align themselves with Jihad? Is there a common end game?
Lan astalem,
GoingThere
I wish the MSM would actually pick this up. Everyone here knows that jihad is being promoted in U.S. mosques, but I doubt Joe Citizen has any freaking idea.
This is another one of the Islamic religion that the non Muslims need to be informed about.
Mosques, are not like the Christian's church, where people go to prayer and hear the pastor's sermon to inspire his flock to be a better person in Christ.
Since Islam calls for submission by hook or by crook, no wonder mosques are also meeting places for the glory of jihad, where people are exhorted to do jihad against infidels, and where equipments, tools for jihad, ie. weapons, are stored.
It is an uphill battle, but from what I've read in people's comments in jihad watch and other sites with information about Islam, there are quite a few who have had their eyes opened.
a mosque is nothing but an Islamic war room...
bapakgila said:
"Please also note that it was only when the Middle Eastern Imams starting taking over all the Mosques around the world thanks to oil money that the Mosques in the mostly peaceful Muslim countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia started to radicalize."
Radical (or rather 'pious') Muslims have always existed in Indonesia and have rebelled against the government, ie. the Acehnese, the DI (Darul islam - remnants of which has now formed the JI, Jemaah Islamiah, the southeast asian al Qaeda franchise, the PRRI rebellion in West Sumatra, a coalition of ex army officers and members of Masyumi, an Islamic political party.
I think that nowadays instead of a frontal attack like in the form of a rebellion, they are working more along the lines of the Muslim Brotherhood's way, by infiltrating slowly but surely among the population. Of course having oil money helped them too. That's why the rhetoric from the mosques these days have not had many of the folks who are 'moderates' reject it, because a lot of the islamists are now in position of power and a lot of the moderates are Islamists too, in my view. (Not condemning the jihadists terror attacks but 'understanding' why the jihadists did their terror attack, is not a 'moderate' in my book).
Look at all those human rights violations by the islamists and persecutions of non Muslims in Indonesia. What has the government done about it? Nothing, except for holding 'meetings' to ensure good neighborliness, or good relationships between the different religions, with the end result that the churches still had to shut down, home worships still had to stop, and the last incident, the theology school in West Jakarta had to move, even though they had been there for 20 years.
The few convictions of the jihadists, are only a show to the west that they (the government) are fighting the jihadists. Only the jihadists whose terror had caused the death of foreigners, have been brought to court and convicted. Or if the crime committed by the jihadsts were just too horrific, then the Indonesian government couldn't but only bring the perpetrators to court. And even when the perpetrators admitted guilt and on top of that he said he did it because of Islam (in the case of the beheaded school girls in Central Sulawesi a few years back), the punishment didn't match the crime at all!!!!