Rally today to protest U.S. religious leaders honoring Iran's Thug-In-Chief

If any New York jihadwatcher, who is going to attend this rally, should read this posting *before* you step out of your front door, on your way to the Grand Hyatt Hotel - please, I beg you, if you can find an Australian flag somewhere, anywhere, do so, and wave it at the rally. If anyone asks you, say that it represents one Australian opponent of Mr Ahmadinejad.

I know that my Prime Minister, though hopelessly clueless as to the real source (Qur'an, Sira, Hadith and their historic interpreters) of Ahmadinejad's murderous hatred for Jews and for the Jewish state, has seriously considered arraigning Ahmadinejad for the crime of incitement to genocide.

It would be nice if he could turn up at this rally outside the Hyatt...it would be the moral, the just, the courageous thing to do. But I am afraid he won't.

I live on the other side of the world; but if I lived in New York, I would be at that rally, with my prayer book in hand.

If you are Jewish, or Christian, take your prayer book, or the Bible, and read Psalm 83, as I would do, were I there.

God bless you all.

I like Dumbledoresarmy can't attend this as I live in England but if another Jihadwatcher can please take a Union Jack and fly it for me I would also be most grateful.

And a Canadian flag too please!

How can any religious leader with a conscience honour this madman? It's like holding a dinner to honour Hitler. Oh, the monkey man's head is going to swell after this, and all muslims heads with it. It just plays into their superiority complex.

Which side of USA is Condi on? Why is she (her department) allowing enemy of USA, put foot on US soil?
UN or not, the ememy should not lay foot on US soil.

I'm in the midwest, so I cannot attend.

What I see here is a group of very weak people being drawn to a strong man (with a smile), with a religious message. Ahmadnut is getting a lot of good PR thanks to our weakest of people in the US.

Appearing strong and with a smile, Ahmadnut will have a following here from our own nutjobs. Anyone in NY that can protest this will help to negate the effect that he is trying to portray to the world.

the more flags people bring of all countries along with an ocean of US flags would make it clear that the world hates appeasers and thier genocidely guest! wish for a very large loud peaceful rally!

Bring Israeli flags...the non burning kind.

Something to lift the hearts of Christian, and also of Jewish participants in this rally.

From Madeline L'Engle's fantasy "A Swiftly Tilting Planet", a beautiful paraphrase of part of St Patrick's Breastplate, just slightly re-worded (the original first line reads 'at Tara in this fateful hour', but in the present extremity, with Ahmadinejad pouring out venom toward Israel, 'Zion' seems to me to be more appropriate)

"At Zion in this fateful hour
I place all Heaven with its power
and the sun with its brightness
and the snow with its whiteness
and the fire with all the strength it hath
and the lightning with its rapid wrath
and the winds with their swiftness along their path
and the sea with its deepness
and the rocks with their starkness
and the earth with its starkness:
all these I place
by G-d's almighty help and grace
between myself and the Powers of darkness".

I'm beginning to worry some about those Quakers.
A UN office?

I thought these religious groups were supposed to be anti-war and here they are prostrating themselves before a war monger.

From article:
These religious leaders are about to betray their brethren across all religions...

These people are no 'brethren' of mine.

Sorry I can't be there...

This is like honoring Hitler.

A sad fact about humanity is that even knowing history, we're still doomed to repeat it.

The American Friends Service Committee, Mennonite Central Committee, Quaker UN Office, Religions for Peace, and the World Council of Churches-UN Liaison Office...

the traitors all of the them...

I'm going to be there! I'm taking my camera too.

I'm going to be there! I'm taking my camera too.

Posted by: nyone at September 25, 2008 9:51 AM

nyone - please take a lot of pics of the protestor's and signs and post them on JW. For those of us who can't be there. Please!

I will!

I also have a little flip video thing. I just put in new batteries :)

I cannot be there but support those who are going. God Bless those who are standing up to this mad man and those who are giving him any honor.

What kind of filth can honor such trash? While I agree the War in Iraq was a major screw up, that doesn't give this scum and his Islamo-Nazis a pass either.

Nyone:

Bring extra batteries, and a big chip and shoot away!

It is amazing how many simple, and naieve people we have out there who willingly and gleefully go to think they can make peace with a tyrannical Mullahocracy that is determined to aggressively create an Islamic world only.

I live in California, so I will not be attending the protest, but I will be there in spirit praying for those who will. Although small in comparison, I did sign a petition through aclj.org in an effort to stand against this meeting. This gathering is appalling on so many levels, and it sends the wrong message to the world.

Once Ahmad gets a hold of the microphone, then there's no controlling WHAT will come out of his mouth. Just wait and see, he will say something disastrous - AGAIN!

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Shame on them for hosting this dinner.

Anyone traveling to New York in the future, then be sure NOT to stay at the Grand Hyatt Hotel, 109 East 42nd Street, New York, N.Y., as this is where the dinner will be held. Boycott this hotel instead.

Well, here's one Oklahoman that wishes she could attend as well. I'm not particularly fond of Mahmoud I'm-A-Big-Nut-Job, the evil Shari'a Law he promotes, the false demonic moon god Allah he worships, or the Mahdi/Antichrist and Issa/False Prophet he awaits in adoration.

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BTW, off topic, but I wanted to thank all of my fellow Jihad Watchers for your prayers and thoughts while my husband was deployed as an AF medic to Afghanistan. He returned home to me on Monday night, safe and sound. :)

Oh, and Robert, about your "PI Guide to Islam and the Crusades", which I wrote and told you previously I'd sent along with him on his deployment ...

You may recall me telling you previously that when my husband showed it to a Colonel on base (who had been 'in theater' for a few years already), after leafing through it, the Colonel said: "There's a lot of TRUTH in that book."

Well, my husband told me Tuesday (as we were driving home) that he gave his copy away to a soldier who was interested in what Islam actually teaches, under the condition that it is to be passed along from person to person as needed. So, intrepid JW'ers, rest assured that thanks to at least one Air Force NCO, the truth will slowly get out to our soldiers, many of whom only know what the PC machine tells them ... mainly, that Islam is "The Religion of PeaceTM".

:)
Lori "Defeat Jihad" B.

Among topics being discussed at tonight's dinner: “Has not one God created us?”

Yes, God did create us all, but not in the way that Islam intends, because Allah is NOT the God of the Bible:

http://www.kingmessiahproject.com/is_allah_not_God.html

Excerpt from above link:

"Muslims believe that there is no other God besides Allah and that he is the God of the universe. They claim that not only is he their God, but that he is the God of the Jews, the Christians and everyone else. When examining the profile of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and comparing it with Allah’s profile, there are a number of distinct differences between them that can only result in one conclusion: These profiles simply do not match! Allah is NOT the God of the Bible!"

"The Islamic faith, through the teachings of Muhammad, asserts that Allah is God and attempt to place him within the confines of the Holy Scriptures. When the Bible contradicts their teachings, they allege that it is flawed, has been tampered with, and has many errors. They further claim that the Koran, through the teachings of their prophet Muhammad, corrects them. However, it has already been established that Muhammad was both a false prophet and teacher. Therefore, Islam’s allegations are unsupported, baseless and without merit."

"There are a number of major differences between the God of the Bible and Allah. This chapter will focus upon five reasons why they are not the same. According to the Holy Scriptures, the God of the Bible is the one true God while Allah is a false god."

SAY, WHAT?! Religious leaders are PRAISING this man?

I'm just... sputtering here!

It never ceases to amaze....that this powerless figurehead of a demagogue garners so much attention in the West, as if he is actually a determinant of policy in Iran. The man who sits on the throne in Iran is Ayatollah Khameini, successor of Khomeini and the country's 'Supreme Leader'..

The President, though "democratically" elected - (only after a strict vetting process controlled by the Ayatollahs) - serves at the behest of the Supreme Leader. Ahmadinejad's predecessor, reformer Ayatollah Khatemi, was able to make little headway for his reforms in the face of Khameini's opposition.

Another former President, Abol Hassan Bani Sadr, fled for his life to Europe in the 80s after running afoul of Khomeini's good graces. There was no impeachment proceedings, no nothing. Khomeini just decided that Bani Sadr's time was up, and that was it.

Let's stop pretending that Ahmadinejad is anything other than a figurehead, a buffoon...and a deliberate lightening rod for opposition inside Iran. While the people express their frustrations over living conditions by cursing his name, the Ayatollah sits safely atop his throne, deciding the directions of state...aloof from criticism.

Ripley: Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?

Newt: My mommy always said there were no monsters - no real ones - but there are.
Ripley: Yes, there are, aren't there?
Newt: Why do they tell little kids that?
Ripley: Most of the time it's true...

Most of the time it's true...

Lan astalem,

GoingThere

The whole event deserves a Tomato Festival.

Lori - well done! That's terrific news.

Every resister of jihad here who has a family member or friend in the Army (and I'm not just thinking of the US defence forces, I'm thinking of the Australian, Canadian, British, etc) who is 'on the page' about the Global Jihad, could provide their 'contact' with extra copies of the 'PI Guide to Islam', and perhaps also 'Islam Unveiled' and/or 'Onward Muslim Soldiers', to be 'passed on' as Lori's husband has done.

(I mentioned 'Islam Unveiled' because someone else here, a long time ago, who had served in Afghanistan, said that 'Islam Unveiled' had proven very popular among the soldiers, particularly among the lower-level officers).

Other persons who could do what Lori's husband has done with 'The PI Guide to Islam and the Crusades', are serving members of the police force and emergency services in any kafir country you might care to name, especially those who work in areas with large, aggressive Mohammedan colonies.

There must be people here who have managed to educate their own personal 'contacts' within the police force and emergency services in the US, Canada, Australia, UK, etc.

If you've got your police or emergency services 'contact' wised up about Islam, give them a spare copy of the PI to Islam and the Crusades, so they can pass it along.

Roll on the day when tattered, grubby, much-underlined and annotated copies of the PIG (perhaps alongside copies of 'Islam Unveiled' and 'Onward Muslim Soldiers') are stuffed in every second kafir soldier's backpack, or sitting on the bookshelf in the rec room of every kafir cop shop and fire station?

Sorry. Typo. My final sentence above should end with a full stop, not a question mark.

Madness.
Whatever you can say about the motley collection of sky pixie, dead raising moonbats who'll be there waving their silly books filled with the ignorant ramblings of near savages, they at least won't be setting off any nail bombs.
Mind you the odd nutter might kill him if he's liberal on abortion, we can always hope.

I'd burn the Koran, Bible and any other religion text containing the mad ramblings of "great thinkers", in front of him, to show how advanced we are as Western Democracies. The irony is, the banner waving simians wouldn't allow that, even as they leap and gibber and howl, like, well like simians.
Irony indeed, the backward, protesting at the really backward. Almost evolutionary.

"I'd burn the Koran, Bible...."

Is it safe to say that you're an atheist? Or would you consider yourself to be agnostic?

These leftist Christian groups honoring Little Adolf have a long history of excoriating the brave (e.g., America and Israel) and excusing the wicked (e.g., Iran since 1979 and Palestinian terrorist groups). Their blindness is colossal. They exculpate barbarians and level their criticism solely against the civilized. These groups are also parasitical because they can only function in the free societies for which they have so much disregard. My contempt for all of them is complete. More foolish organizations in the West would be hard to find.

There's something about these new atheists that's profoundly inhuman & hateful.

The ridicule is their goal; the contempt is the end; the sheer fun of sanctimony, self-righteousness and loathing are the purpose. This is classic adversary philosophy, because from the atheist point of view, it debases the person of faith, and elevates themselves.

champ: I'm sympathetic to your line of reasoning. It seems the case that many who are not religious make a religion out of not being so. It's as ironic as it is misdirected.

Thanks, Wellington. Not saying that all atheists make hateful, caustic comments, because they don't; but in large part, and based upon my own experiences with them, they are capable of making some of the most hate filled comments I have ever read or heard. Yes, it's as if they make a religion out of it. Remarkable.

Just a simple question...
Where are all the Muslims, and/or Muslim Human Rights organizations?
Not a single one w/ something to say against the regime in Iran?

As regards those 'christians' who are attending/ have attended the dinner - "The American Friends Service Committee, Mennonite Central Committee, Quaker UN Office, Religions for Peace, and the World Council of Churches-UN Liaison Office" - there are precedents for their folly and/ or treachery, going back at least fifty years, showing that Muslim anti-Israel anti-Jewish propaganda conducted among certain churches, in the west and in the USA, is nothing new.

Witness the text of the appendix to John Roy Carlson's "From Cairo to Damascus", 1951:

John Roy Carlson, Appendix to ‘From Cairo to Damascus’ (1951): read attentively and you will spot the first precursor of Sabeel and its ilk. Pp. 471-474

‘Arab-American Liaison Network’

'Following his propaganda work in London, Yusif el Bandek arrived in this country {America} in the summer of 1949.

'In November of that year he called upon Merwin K. Hart – long an admirer of Franco’s system – carrying a letter of introduction from Lieutenant-General Sir Frederick Morgan, who in 1946 was removed as chief of UNRRA in Germany after making remarks about European refugees which were widely construed to be anti-Jewish.

‘General Morgan has told me I could put entire confidence in Bandak’, Hart later explained in his National Economic Council Letter. “This was enough for me. Vice-Admiral Charles S. Freeman, U. S. N., retired, who has devoted much time to Mr Bandak, and I, quickly became satisfied that Bandak was all he professed to be.”

'Following this confession, Hart instituted a new series of anti-semitic attacks in his Letter, of which the following, in the December 15, 1949, issue, is typical:

‘For because of their overbearing greed and their recent and present willingness to involve this country in every kind of evil, they [‘Zionist Jews’] are the number one enemy of American liberty and the Christian church. They are the outstanding cause of most of the dire troubles facing America today…

‘A wealth of evidence can be adduced to show that the Zionists have Mr Truman’s administration in the hollow of their hand. The Socialist program is their program…When the American people awaken to what they have already done and what they seek to do, their wrath will be truly terrible.”
p. 472

'General Morgan had also told Hart that ‘Bandak had been sent by some 130 000 Christians of Bethlehem and vicinity [a wholly preposterous figure] to appeal to the British and to the Americans for aid’.

'Making a great point of the fact that Bandek was born a Christian, Hart planned to launch Bandek into Arab-American liaison work by introducing him to a number of his friends and supporters at a secretly arranged meeting.

'The projected gathering, however, was exposed by Walter Winchell and was never held.

'We next find Bandek’s name linked with Hart’s friend, Vice-Admiral Freeman, chairman of the Holy Land Christian Committee in New York, of which Bandek became general secretary.

'A group of prominent Americans were sold on the merits of the committee and on Mr Bandek as a worthy representative.

'The list included His Grace, Archbishop Michael of the Greek Orthodox Church, Miss Virginia Gildersleeve, already on the board of the Institute of Arab American Affairs, Dorothy Thompson the columnist, who told a Town Hall audience that she “had the honour of a visit from Mr Yusif el Bandak”; and the Reverend Charles T Bridgeman, former residentiary canon of St George’s Anglican Cathedral in Jerusalem, and, at the time of this writing, a rector of the Wall Street Trinity Church, New York.

'Bandek became the travelling emissary of the Holy Land Christian Committee, ostensibly to speak and collect funds for Arab refugees.

'Actually, rather than devote himself to helping Arab refugees, he gave a series of inflammatory lectures, tending to arouse latent anti-Semitic sympathies.

'With growing concern, the American Christian Palestine Committee in New York, composed of Christian laymen and clergymen opposed to Hart’s brand of bigotry and Bandek’s distortion of truth, followed the trail of Bandek’s blatant Arab propaganda from city to city.

'Here are some of the wild charges, as reported by the Reverend William Lindsay Young, vice-president of the National Conference of Christians and Jews, who interviewed Bandek in Los Angeles:

'All Zionists are Communists; Arabs had never started the war against the Jews but fought merely to defend themselves against “brutal Jewish aggression”; Communism is rampant in Israel; Christians have no religious freedom, and there are no Christian leaders in Israel; the Israelis killed three thousand British officers; Jews in America control ‘the press, the government, the motion pictures’.

'On September 3, 1950, Bandek spoke at the First Congregational Church in Los Angeles, of which the Reverend William F. Fifield – founder of Spiritual Mobilization, and a friend of Merwin K. Hart – is minister.

'Reverend Young, who was present, heard Bandek say that “the decision to partition Palestine was the result of the support to the Zionists by the Soviet Union and by American leaders…seeking not the interest of Christ, but votes”.

'Reverend Young reported: “Gerald K. Smith sat in front of me and applauded practically everything Mr Bandak said…I heard no discussion of ways and means to help the unfortunate Christians in Bethlehem, the avowed purpose of Bandak’s organization. There was, however, a great deal said about the Jew”.

'Among Bandek’s friends were Arab-born journalists who, like himself, carried on as pro-Arab propagandists.

'One of these was Levon Keshishian, an Armenian whom I met in Jerusalem in April, 1948, and who wrote a note of introduction to Emil Ghoury, a leading henchman of the Grand Mufti, recommending me as “a friend journalist, he is OK”. Keshishian was imprisoned for the duration of the Arab-Israel war in a jail in Amman, Jordan.

'When I met him again in this country – where he is now serving as UN correspondent for the Arab News Agency – Keshishian told me that the charges had included espionage, but that he had later been released without trial. On his person had been found various letters and checks from Jews, Armenians, and others. Amman officials had refused to accept his explanation of these, Keshishian said. “They almost hanged me,” he complained.

'This man also writes regularly for Hairenik Weekly, the Boston publication of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, filling its columns with pro-Arab stories. He has also addressed meetings of this organization.

'Tragic indeed must be the state of those Americans who in their legitimate concern for the welfare of Arab refugees allow themselves to be duped by appeals of distortion, falsehood, and bigotry inspired by Bandek, Freeman, Hart, and their like.

'There is a just case for the homeless Arabs. But neither these refugees nor efforts at a conciliatory settlement of their plight can be aided by hate-mongering propaganda.
'Those well-intentioned men who have rallied about the Bandek-Freeman-Hart axis, are, unknown to themselves, sabotaging genuine efforts in behalf of needy Arabs.

{And Carlson reproduces a typical flier from some of these Useful Idiots] -
'INTERDENOMINATIONAL DISCUSSION PANEL
Friday October 24 1947
7.45 P.M
Church of St Paul and St Andrew
263 West 86th Street, at West End Avenue
‘What Should Be America’s Attitude Toward a Jewish State in Palestine?”
THE SPEAKERS WILL INCLUDE:

'Dr Khalil Totah (1887-1955), a Quaker educator who served for 27 years in Palestine.
'Canon Charles Bridgeman, of Trinity Church, who served for 20 years under the Episcopal Bishop of Jerusalem.

'Hallam M. Richardson, Lay Leader of the Simpson Methodist Church, will introduce the speakers and serve as moderator during the Questioning and Program-suggestion period.

'Leaflet advertising the appearance of Dr Khalil Totah with the Rev. Mr Bridgeman, committee member of the Holy Land Christian Committee, with Hallam Richardson, Ahmed Hussein’s counsel, listed as the moderator.

'Speaking over the Town Meeting of the Air, August 15, 1947, Dr Totah declared: “The Mufti is a patriot, is a gentleman, and he was just as patriotic and had a right to his opinions as Jefferson and Franklin had to theirs when they were fighting for American liberty”.' CARLSON'S APPENDIX CONCLUDES WITH THIS DOCUMENT.

Note: he is talking about a man, the Mufti, who at that stage had sided with the Nazis; who had visited Hitler in Germany; who had visited extermination camps; had made broadcasts inflaming the Arabs to kill Jews – all Jews; and who had fully intended to set up extermination camps inside Israel}.

Further note: Carlson in his book identified Ahmed Hussein as a thoroughly nasty piece of work. Hussein was imprisoned in 1942 for pro-Fascist sympathies; in America, ‘Hussein, as complaining witness, represented by Hallam Richardson, unsuccessfully sought to institute a prosecution for criminal libel against the Non-Sectarian Anti-Nazi League of New York”. Azzam Pasha praised Ahmed Hussein as “a great leader, one who speaks from the heart” (this is the Azzam Pasha who had sworn to kill every Jew in ‘Palestine’).

whoa, champ -

First, let me say I find your posts intelligent and interesting.

Take it easy on atheists, we're not all the same. I keep my opinions to myself, generally. I do not proselytize my atheism. It's just what I believe. Having been raised with Christian values, and having attended Sunday school, church services, church groups and church camps as a child and adolescent, I still feel peaceful, respectful and even awed in a beautiful church. And I'm as good a person as most Christians, and better than some.

I figure I'll find out the truth when the time comes.

As for the World Council of Churches:

here is Jacques Ellul, in 'Un Chretien Pour Israel' (1986), chapter 5, 'The Positions Taken by International Organisations' , pp. 212-213, after concluding his indictment of the UN's treatment of Israel, taking a well-deserved swipe at the World Council of Churches. (Deepest apologies for the awkwardness of my 'crib' of the original French; French posters feel free to offer correction and clarification).

"Quoi qu’il en soit, c’est un temoignage de plus de la ‘langue de bois’ pratique par tous les organismes qui dependent de l’ONU et qui repetent indefiniment la meme chose a longueur de sessions. Mais, ici, nous sommes a la limite de la propagande.

'Le fait me paraissait seulement essentiel dans la mesure ou il marque la terrible solitude d’Israel, pays officiellement au ban de la soi-disant “communaute internationale”.

'Bien entendu, puisque nous en sommes au chapitre des organismes internationaux, on ne s’etonnera pas que le Conseil oecumenique des Eglises adopte exactement la meme orientation."

- Whatever it is, it’s more proof of the obfuscation practised by all bodies that depend on the UN, and that endlessly repeat the same thing throughout their sittings. But here we are at the limits of the propaganda.

- The thing only appeared essential to me, insofar as it marks the terrible loneliness of Israel, a country officially shunned by the so-called ‘international community’.

- Of course, since we are in the chapter on international bodies, no-one will be surprised that the World Council of Churches takes exactly the same line.

"Ce Conseil, tres peu inspire de theologie et beaucoup de politique, depend de sa composition, et la majorite des Eglises sont soit de pays socialistes, soit de pays africaines ex-colonises, soit de pays d’Amerique latine, ce qui donne la meme majorite qu’a l’ONU, et les memes resultats."

- This Council, inspired very little by theology and much by politics, depends on its membership – and most of the churches are either from socialist countries, or from ex-colonised African countries, or from Latin American countries, which gives the same majority as at the UN, and the same outcomes.

"Un seul exemple, d’agressivite lors de la guerre du Liban: le Conseil oecumenique declare:

“Nous condamnons l’invasion par Israel du territoire libanais. Nous reprouvons l’appel a la puissance militaire pour la resolution des conflits politiques.

"Nous invitons les Nations Unis a se consacrer d’urgence a la solution de la question palestinienne…”.

'Jusque-la, rien que de tres normal dans sa banalite, mais aussitot après le Conseil declare reconnaitre “le droit a la creation d’un Etat palestinien souverain”.

- One example only, of aggressiveness at the time of the Lebanon War: the World Council of Churches declares:

“We condemn Israel’s invasion of Lebanese territory. We disapprove of the appeal to military power to resolve political disputes.

" We invite the United Nations to urgently devote itself to solving the Palestinian Question…”.

'So far, everything is very normal in its banality, but straight afterward the Council declares that it recognises “the right to the creation of a sovereign State of Palestine”.

"Ceci egalement est banal.

"Mais, ou bien les redacteurs de ce texte sont ignorants, ou bien les savent effectivement ce que parler veut dire.

"Car dans la terminologie et la langage palestiniens ce “droit a un Etat souverain palestinien” implique ipso facto non pas la coexistence de deux Etats, selon le traite de 1948, mais bien la destruction de l’Etat d’Israel.

"Bien entendu, c’etait en realite le sentiment general des Eglises. La Federation protestante de France a produit un texte analogue, et le president du Conseil des Eglises evangeliques allemandes, l’eveque Lohse, s’est exprime de meme. La plupart des textes “chretiens” ont ete dans ce sens."

- This is equally commonplace.

- But either the drafters of this text are ignorant, or they know very well what they mean when they speak.

- For in Palestinian language and terminology this “right to a sovereign Palestinian state” involves ipso facto not the co-existence of two States, according to the 1948 treaty [partition], but indeed the destruction of the State of Israel.

- Of course, this was in truth the general feeling of the Churches. The Protestant Federation of France produced a similar text, and the President of the Council of German Evangelical Churches, Bishop Lohse, expressed the same [thing]. Most “Christian” texts have taken this line.".

And so, twenty-two years after Ellul wrote that damning indictment of the World Council of Churches, of that body 'inspired very little by theology, and much by politics', noting that in a public statement it had used terminology that in 'Palestinian' Arab Muslim mouths meant nothing less than the destruction of the Jewish state, we have people from the "World Council of Churches-UN Liaison Office" sitting down to break bread with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, who makes no secret of his intention of carrying out a second Shoah.

I'm back. I got some OK pictures. Had to use my phone though since my camera suddenly wouldn't work. I'll try to figure out how to get them up. Not sure how to do that. There were quiet a few people there and the cops were really cool. I didn't see any anti-Israel people there. It was a very diverse group age wise. I got a couple of vids but haven't looked at them yet.

There are other wise words from Jacques Ellul, 'Un Chretien Pour Israel', chapter 2 'Propaganda', section entitled 'Les moyens de Propagande/ 'the means of propaganda', that may help to describe the character and motives of at least some of those who attended that Dinner of the Damned and sat there smiling and eating with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

First:

"La propagande en direct s’adresse aux intellectuels et aux membres du clerge.

"Elle emane des pays arabes (qui y utilisent leur exces d’argent), de l’URSS et generalement de l’extreme gauche, depuis les prises de position de l’URSS contre Israel depuis environ 1952.

"Et alors joue le fameux “circulus tourbillonnaire”, qui est bien connu dans les milieux intellectuels. Car il ne faut pas oublier ce qui est banal pour tous les psycho-sociologues de la propagande, a savoir que ce sont les intellectuels qui sont les plus influencables, les plus sensibles a la propagande."

- The direct propaganda [against Israel, and on behalf of 'the Palestinians'] addresses itself to the intellectuals and the clergy.

- It comes from the Arab [Muslim] countries (who use their excess wealth for it), from the USSR {note: Ellul was writing in the early 1980s - dda}, and generally from the far left, after the USSR took a position against Israel from about 1952.

' And so the famous ‘whirlpool effect’ , which is well known in intellectual circles, comes into play.

'For we must not forget what is common knowledge among psycho-sociologists of propaganda - that it is the intellectuals who are most influenced by propaganda and most susceptible to it."

Got that, everyone? - 'it is the intellectuals who are most influenced by propaganda, and most susceptible to it'.

Then, a little later, Ellul adds this devastating observation:

"Par ailleurs, les membres du clerge sont particulierement sensibles aux problemes de conscience, et il suffit d’evoquer le sort tragique des Palestiniens ou leur massacre pour aussitot obtenir leur adhesion fracassante en toute ignorance de cause."

- Moreover, the members of the clergy are particularly susceptible to problems of conscience, and it is enough to evoke the tragic fate of Palestinians or their massacre, in order to obtain straightaway their noisy support, in complete ignorance of causes.

"Ils prennent le parti des faibles et des opprimes, c’est-a-dire de ceux qu’on leur montre et designe comme tels, et sans chercher plus loin.

"Quand les belles ames se melent de politique, elles font des choix parfaitement aveugles, et sont en meme temps garants de la cause et les plus extremistes dans leur jugement."

- They [i.e. the propagandised clergy] take the side of the weak and the oppressed – that is to say, of those who are represented and described to them as such - without looking further.

"When beautiful souls meddle in politics they make perfectly blind choices and become, at the same time, both guarantors of the cause and the most extreme in their judgement ."

Who were some of the guests at the Hyatt Hotel on 25 September? -

"The American Friends Service Committee, Mennonite Central Committee, Quaker UN Office, Religions for Peace".

'Beautiful souls', 'belles ames', indeed.

"When 'beautiful souls' meddle in politics they make perfectly blind choices; they become, at one and the same time, both the guarantors of the Cause, and the most extreme in their views'".

(Mr Fitzgerald, I am sure you could improve on this translation, but I think the gist of it is deadly clear).

nyone - you said: 'quite a few people'.

Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?

Hi, ImNoDhimmi! Thanks for writing, and I appreciate what you said, but my comment was in direct response to what Ian wrote; assuming, of course, that he is an atheist, as his post seems to indicate. I meant no disrespect to you, or atheists in general, but in his case, I made an exception. :-D

Friends?!! Take care!

P.S. ImNoDhimmi - are you atheist or agnostic? I had the same question of Ian, but he did not respond. I'm not trying to change your position, just curious.

nyone - you said: 'quite a few people'.

Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 25, 2008 9:51 PM

I'd say around 400-500. Really good crowd. Check urban infidels blog - you can find on hot air or LGF. He took much better pictures than I did. Let me know if you need a link. The whole thing had a good feel about it.

Just a simple question...
Where are all the Muslims, and/or Muslim Human Rights organizations?
Not a single one w/ something to say against the regime in Iran?
Posted by: 7syzygy7 [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 25, 2008 7:11 PM

Muslims don't criticize other muslims no matter how evil they are, at least not in earshot of infidels. The Shi'ites and Sunnis might go at each other's throats and scream wild curses at one another but that's different. The few condemnations uttered by various lying clerics after 9/11 can be chalked up to taqqiya; they were backed into a corner on that occasion and I'm sure allah has forgiven them for their indiscretions.

The umma has to stick together or it will come unglued and we don't want that, do we?

nyone

hundreds is good.

But thousands, and eventually, tens of thousands, for events at which non-Muslims publicly express their open intention of resolute resistance to all the various forms of jihad (or, as in this case, protest against those among their own number who are selling out to, or collaborating with, the Jihad), would be better.

This is, on a global scale, as important for the common good of humanity as the great 19th-century campaign to abolish slavery, or the Civil Rights campaigns of the 20th century; for sharia imposes a ghastly Jim Crow-style religion-based apartheid, a degrading and dehumanising state of near-slavery, on anyone who does not wish to become a Muslim and is unable or unwilling to fight.

Protest marches, condemning Islamic aggression and antisemitism, defying Jihad and Dhimmitude, and calling for a complete end to any public accommodation with any aspect of sharia, should be ten times bigger than the Civil Rights marches of the 50s or the Vietnam War protests of the 70s.

If politicians see that many potential votes out on the streets - and not screaming and yelling and talking nonsense, but calm, quiet and deadly and led by coldly sober folks like Mr Spencer and Madame Bat Yeor, explaining in detail to the citizenry the nasty details of sharia and the methods by which Islam infiltrates, subverts and destroys civilisations, then they might just possibly decide that x number of potential Muslim voters, no matter how much noise and threats - or even bribes - they generate, is not anywhere near as important as the far, far greater number of rationally angry and focused NON-MUSLIM voters.

Time for the Entmoot to reach its conclusion, and for the Ents to awaken and find that they are strong (see J R R Tolkien, 'The Lord of the Rings', book two, 'The Two Towers', part one, chapter entitled 'Fangorn Forest').

The WCC has proven on more than one occassion that they are against Israel and if they be against Israel, I believe it's safe to say they are against the God of Israel.

The apostle John called such people anti-Christ's.

Glenn Beck rocks! I watch him every night religiously. He is very provocative, concerned about our nation and I would vote for him if he ever ran for the White House.

You should watch his daily program, 1 hour at 7: pm EST and repeated at 9: pm and 12: am. Remember, these are Eastern Standard time zones.

Glenn Beck is on Head Line News (HLN) sister channel to CNN and it is about three to five channels above or below where you find CNN channel on your TV system. Channel 202 on Dish net.

Guaranteed to fall in love with his program. If you do not fall in love with his program write me on JW addressing American. I read every posting.

Hey, Champ -

No offense taken, honestly. I would say I'm an atheist - 98% anyway. The other 2% would like to believe, but can't quite.

Hey, ImNoDhimmi, well, 2% is a start, so I will pray that the other 98% follows suite, LOL! Take care.

Good to see a follow up headline on this story, any out there?

A small correction to the final paragraph of my most recent posting above: the appropriate chapter in Tolkien's book is not called 'Fangorn Forest', but rather, 'Treebeard'.