Sheikh Qaradawi: Shia are Heretics

Jolly good. More Muslim infighting can only be a good thing, and should be actively encouraged.

Shia, Sunni -- between this guy and Muqtada al-Sadr, the dentistry appears to be on the same level.

It'd be fun to kick this guy's azz.

See his clenched fists with red, almost purple thumbs?

Yet his hands are as soft as the rot on his lower jaw.

I'd like a cage match with this yahoo.

Those are warts all over his face? My God, why are they always so physically revolting?

Fjordman,

i with you on this one

Jolly good. More Muslim infighting can only be a good thing, and should be actively encouraged.

Posted by: Fjordman at September 29, 2008 9:21 AM

Really. Go for it, ya 7th century Barbarians.

"I do not care and I am not shaken by this stir."

Is the Sheikh a fan of James (shaken not stirred) Bond?

Darcy asks,

...why are they always so physically revolting?

Because the heart is black, and the mind is fixated on one diabolical ideology.

The soul, if there ever was one, is gone, only to leave the rot from within moving outwards.

He is physically revolting because inside he has died many, many years ago.

He is one of many living dead.

And that seems to be the core belief with this "religion".

"'Shiites are Muslims but they are heretics and their danger comes from their attempts to invade Sunni society," said Qaradawi, who was quoted in the Egyptian independent daily Al Masry al Youm. "They are able to do that because their billions of dollars trained cadres of Shiites proselytizing in Sunni countries. . . . We should protect Sunni society from the Shiite invasion.'

Those opinions were first published Sept. 6. Since then, Qaradawi, a man with a polished voice and a gray beard who hosts a show on Islamic law on TV channel Al Jazeera, has been chastised by Shiite scholars and writers in what has turned into a war of polemics and personal attacks played out on websites and in newspapers from Doha to Cairo.

Qaradawi's statements are dangerous and may "push the Muslim people in the direction of more division," Ayatollah Mohammed Taskhiri, vice president of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, was quoted as saying in the Iranian press. The Tabnak News Agency, which is close to Iran's Revolutionary Guard Council, condemned the comments as a 'calculated conspiracy against Iranian Shiites.'"
-- from the article above

What a very novel notion, to some (especially in Washington), what an unheard-of idea, to some (especially in Washington), that Sunnis should be alarmed by Shi'a, and Shi'a alarmed by Sunnis. This must end, of course, and we shall ignore the fact that the Sunni-Shi'a hostility goes back to Ali, that is back to the earliest days of Islam. Why, it was Bush who, after the war in Iraq had begun, exclaimed with surprise, when he overheard others discussing Sunnis and Shi'a, that "I thought they were all Muslims" and it was Condoleezza Rice who said that the Sunnis and the Shi'a "will just have to learn" to live together -- perhaps she had in mind a New-England-Town-Meeting setting, where in the new "free" Iraq everyone could sit down with everyone else and simply hammer out a compromise, just the way Americans do, or British, or Canadians.

And if the Bush Admnistration has its way, 1300 years of hostility will be overcome, and Islam, an ideology that fosters suspicion, and revenge, and group-think, and aggression and violence, will for some inexplicable reason -- possibly the effects of that "freedom" transplanted to "ordinary moms and dads" in the Middle East -- will no longer have these effects on the minds of Muslims in Iraq, and all shall be well.

Yes, if the Bush Administration understands Iraq aright -- and of course it must, mustn't it? -- any conceivable fissures between the two sects in Iraq will be solved through appeals to common sense, and by Americans bringing more toys and good things to eat to the boys and girls on the other side of the mountain, in distant Mesopotamia.

Of course, what should have happened, and happened long ago, is the cool, calm identification of the certain consequences of the removal of Saddam Hussein. The most certain of these was the end of Sunni rule in Iraq, and the transfer of power, inexorable and permanent, to the Shi'a in Iraq. And the removal of Saddam Hussein also meant the removal of the regime that had caused neighboring Iran the most trouble. Freed from any inhibitions, the Iranians have been making political inroads through appeals to the Shi'a in Lebanon, now the largest of that country's sects, have inveigled the Alawites of Syria to do their bidding (and provided a fatwa that allows the syncretistic Alawites, with their worship of Mary, to claim nervously that they are indeed "real Muslims"), have held onto three islands claimed by the U.A.E., have appealed to Shi'a in Bahrain (where 70%of the population chafes under a Sunni ruler), and in the Eastern (Hasa) Province of Saudi Arabia, where all of that country's oppressed Shi'a, as well as all of that country's major oil fields, are to be found).

And most alarming of all, the Iranians have been engaged in missionary activities among Sunni Muslims, attempting to convert them to Shi'a Islam and, in some cases, apparently meeting with success.

In Yemen Shi'a tribes fight the Sunni-run govenment. In Bahrain, the Ruler tries nervously to offer citizenship to Sunni Arabs from outside. In Kuwait, the one-quarter of the population that is Shi'a (including a rich friend or two of Fouad Ajami) chafes at under-representation in the government. In Pakistan the Shi'a are attacked by a Sunni group, Sipah-e-Sahaba, that specializes in attacks on Shi'a professionals (doctors, engineers), and Shi'a mosques.

And now comes Qaradawi, with his rage at the Shi'a.

This, from the viewpoint of Infidels, is not a bad thing. This is a very good thing.

Doubtlessly, Qaradawi points out this irreconcilable fissure in the Umma to demonstrate that "Islam means 'peace.'"

/sarc

Another orthodontically challenged visage from hell.

Reading this gives me flashbacks. It is the same retoric used by us who critize and warns of Islam and its cancerous spread in the West. We all say that we have to act now to prevent a disaster in the near future.

He is actually using the same strategy but against the Shias. Do you guys really think, that if Earth was ruled by Islam & Shari'a, would be as peaceful as they say? Well this jerk does confirm deep cracks in the "Religion of Peace".

So let us put some jacks in the cracks and let them destroy themselves from within.

SwedishWiking

Another orthodontically-challenged visage from hell.

Posted by: johndoe at September 29, 2008 10:12 AM

LOL

Qaradawi did not call Shiites "heretics." This word is only used in Elnglish newspapers. He clarified his position on the his basic feelings towards the Shia-Sunni ideological differences here:

In a statement issued by him...Shaykh Al-Qaradawi said that he believes in the unity of the Islamic nation, in all its groups, sects, and schools of thought. He, however, admits that he disagrees with the Shi'is over the essence of their school of thought. In the statement, he repeated what he said in an interview with the Egyptian newspaper Al-Misri al-Yawm, to the effect that "the Shi'is are inventors, not infidels. There is a consensus on this among the Sunnis." He added: "We accuse them of invention. We do not accuse them of clear infidelity or major infidelity, which means disavowal of religion."
In his statement, Al-Qaradawi noted: "There is no problem with the disagreement on the branches of religion, the questions of work, and the rules of worships and treatments," and that the disagreement between the Sunnis and Shi'is "is not bigger than that among the Sunni schools of thought."
…I strongly supported Iran in its right to possess peaceful nuclear energy, and I strongly rejected the US threats to it. I said that we will stand against America if it attacks Iran. I also said that Iran is a part of the territory of Islam, that it is not permissible to relinquish it, and that our shari'ah requires us to defend it if a foreigner enters or threatens it. He also recalled his support for the Lebanese Hezbollah in the war it fought against Israel in July 2006…"
September 19, 2008 Friday
Shayk Al-Qaradawi Denies Shi’I Accusations of Sectarianism

Qaradawi's only problem is that he feels Shia's are proselytizing in Sunni areas. This he doesn't like.

As for general religious co-existence, he said this in a recent interview, where he emphasizes that his problem is with proselytizing:

“I am a believer in dialogue with all human beings. Muslims are commanded to heavy dialogue with all other religions. I said that at the interfaith conference convened in Mecca, which King Abdallah of Saudi Arabia called for. I called for widening the dialogue to include not only the people of the book -Muslims, Christians and Jews, but also idolatry religions. Why not have dialogue with the Buddhists or Hindus who number thousands of millions? The major religions dominate most of the world. I have called for dialogue with the Jews, not the Zionists, because the Koran says; "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong" [Al-Ankabut 29:46]. The Zionists have done wrong; they have invaded Palestine and established a state there, they shed blood and forced the people of the land out of their country and they are colonial settlers. There can be no dialogue between them and us. There was colonization in Algeria, but they did not replace the people of the land and drive them out of their country. Thus, I call for dialogue with all religions, and consequently I am not against a dialogue with the Shi'i, but if they want to invade our countries, convert us into Shi'i, uproot us and exploit poverty and need and so forth, then I would reject having any dialogue with them and I would reject rapprochement with them too. I have participated in many dialogues and attempts at rapprochement, but if the purpose of dialogue is to convert the Sunnis to their sect, then I would refuse any attempt at rapprochement.”
Supplied by BBC Worldwide Monitoring
September 29, 2008 Monday
Shaykh al-Qaradawi defends claim on Iran spreading Shi'ism

So let us put some jacks in the cracks and let them destroy themselves from within.

SwedishWiking

Easier said than done. They're everywhere, which means we will all go down together. They will take us with them.

Shia are heretics? Well, well, well.

This is pretty much what we heard when Iran went bonkers in 1979. Our learned "experts" told us the Iranians were Shiites, a breakaway sect (or something like that) and didn't represent Islam.
Thus, we could afford to remain friends with Saudi Arabia and all the rest because they were "true" Muslims.

Then when Osama went on the rampage we heard the same message, only this time it was al Qaeda and company that were the "heretics".

"Much of the funding for Qaradawi's Qatar-based media enterprises comes from Sunni nations uneasy over Iran's widening influence in the Persian Gulf."

And what have any of these governments done since 1979 other than wage their own jihad against the West while seeking protection from Iran? Shiites didn't attack the World Trade Center. Sunnis made their own bed. Let them lie in it.

If we let Shiites penetrate Sunni societies, the outcome won't be praiseworthy. The presence of Shiites in Iraq and Lebanon is the best evidence of instability."

So why didn't you remove them from Iraq when you controlled it? You could have cut them loose, leaving the Sunni Arabs and Kurds in one state. But that would have been foolish since Shiites sat on the oil that financed Sunni ambitions.
Lebanon first came unglued thanks to Sunni Muslims, not Shia. First it was Yasser Arafat, not known as a Shia Muslim. The Shiites took hold after the Iranian Revolution and what did Sunnis do about them? Don't tell us your troubles!

Apparently one invention not made by Muslims is the toothbrush.

johnb, they use miswacks....just like the "prophet".
http://www.maryamsboutique.com/popup_image.php?pID=147

Photographic evidence suggests that all the miswacks are in use as disobedient-wife disciplinary devices.

I just hate it when the kids fight..........how about a singalong? Just put down the swords first.

dave742,

"Qaradawi did not call Shiites "heretics." This word is only used in Elnglish newspapers. "

Gee, could that be because "heretics" is an English word? Could "heretics" be translating some Arabic word?

You quote him as saying:

""the Shi'is are inventors, not infidels. There is a consensus on this among the Sunnis." He added: "We accuse them of invention. We do not accuse them of clear infidelity or major infidelity, which means disavowal of religion."

Gee, I wonder what that word "inventors" is translating? Could it have something to do with "bida"?

DenverRodeo:
"Gee, could that be because "heretics" is an English word? Could "heretics" be translating some Arabic word?"

Yes, I knew that comment was coming. My point is that the direct translation of what Qaradawi said does not contain the word "heretic," and his explanation of what he said makes it very clear that he did not say whatever the Arabic word for "heretic" is. It is only when wire services and US newspapers get ahold of a story does it morph into something other than what was originally said. Words start getting substituted, the real explanation is deleted, and the entire message is mangled. This is what happens constantly, and is what I was getting at. But go ahead and parse words if it makes you feel good.

"You quote him as saying..."

Actually, since we are being so careful with word usage, I can point out that I did not quote Qaradawi as saying anything. I have not talked to Qaradawi. I quoted the BBC, and I cited who I quoted.

"Gee, I wonder what that word "inventors" is translating? Could it have something to do with "bida"?"

I don't know what "bida" is. There is no need to speculate what word is translating what. What Qaradawi said is explained very clearly in the passages that I quoted. You should be able to understand it without speculation.

DenverRodeo:
“Words start getting substituted, the real explanation is deleted, and the entire message is mangled. This is what happens constantly, and is what I was getting at.” –dave742

I can show you an example of how translations get mangled. This quote from Ahmadinejad was quoted by a think tank called “Realite,” which in turn was quoting a Russian newspaper:

“Soon Islam will become the dominating force in the world, occupying first place in the number of followers amongst all other religions.” (1)

This quote is supposedly from a speech given in Malaysia on March 3, 2006 at a seminar titled "Outstanding International Issues and the role of the Muslim World.” The speech was reported on by both the AP and the BBC, but whoever quoted the above from the Realite think tank decided to go to a Russian newspaper to find a sufficiently mangled translation. The AP reports the same quote as follows :

“…a wave of awareness is sweeping the fragmented Muslim world and ‘will turn into a gigantic force’ that will engulf current political alliances…” (inside quote from Ahmadinejad) (2)

This is quite different from the Russian version, and that version can be considered nearly a complete fabrication. This is why Realite decided to use that version instead of the AP version. Even in the AP version, only 6 words are directly translated from Ahmadinejad. They do, however, give some context, which is the issue of US opposition to Iran’s nuclear program. First Amadinejad says this about the IAEA:

“Regrettably, most international organizations have turned into political organizations and the influence of great powers prevents them from taking fair and legally sound decisions…It is just a democracy in name. In reality it is not a democracy. They do as they please...They have found another pretext to put pressure on my nation.” (3)

The AP report then goes on to say:
“In his speech, Ahmadinejad said that the U.S. opposition to Iran's nuclear program is an example of Western bullying that is frustrating the entire Muslim world. But a wave of awareness is sweeping the fragmented Muslim world and ‘will turn into a gigantic force’ that will engulf current political alliances, he said. ‘Domination and bullying will not last much longer,’ he said. ‘Bullies and Zionists beware! You are going to fall!’ Ahmadinejad attributed most of the problems faced by the Muslim world to the ‘hegemonic tendencies’ of bullying powers, an apparent reference to the United States and Europe.”

Ahmadinejad is simply saying that Islam is a unifying factor which will not allow Western powers to dominated Muslim countries any longer.

When we look at the BBC report, we find a more complete version of the statement, which you can compare to the Russian version directly:

“There is no doubt that the new wave of religious awakening, which has engulfed not only the Islamic world but other divine faiths, will turn into tumultuous floods and hurricane soon to smash all the political equations and international calculations based on the system of hegemony.” (4)

So when the AP says that the “wave of awareness” that is “sweeping the fragmented Muslim world”, which will “engulf current political alliances,” it is misleading. According to the more complete quote, Ahmadinejad did not say that all current political alliances will be engulfed, but those that are “based on the system of hegemony.” This fits in with the context of his speech, which was an attack on hegemonic nations who are “[dominating] and bullying” other nations. Also note that Ahmadinejad says it is not just Islam that is going through this “religious awakening,” but “other divine faiths” as well.

The BBC also quoted Ahmadinejad as saying:

“Islam is the religion of harmony, sincerity and peaceful coexistence; and contrary to the claims of Islam's enemies, our faith is still growing, and it shall throw into question the existence of the hegemonists.”

Interestingly, we are able to compare the BBC, AP and Kommersant quotes directly with that actual speech that Ahmadinejad gave, because the Malaysian Ministry of Foreign Affairs printed the speech given by Ahmadinejad on its website. (5) We have the pleasure of being able to check the quotes directly with the original speech. For example, this AP quote: “Regrettably, most international organizations have turned into political organizations and the influence of great powers prevents them from taking fair and legally sound decisions” can be found in the actual text of the speech, as can the quote: “But domination and bullying will not last much longer. Bullies and Zionist beware! You are going to fall!” When we look for a quote containing “will turn into a gigantic force” or “wave of awareness” or “Islam will become the dominating force in the world,” we find nothing. The closest I find to this in the speech is this:

“The innate justice and God seeking nature of man has been awakened. Nations no longer tolerate tyranny and harassment and protest against them. The people of the world are tired of, and dissatisfied with, the status quo. The people of the world are increasingly more aware and awake. People are increasingly heeding the call to Monotheism and faith in the Almighty. People thirst for justice and positively respond to cries for justice.
This awakening is on the increase and its signs can be seen all around the world. Look at the people of the Middle-East, talk to the Europeans. Contact scholars and social commentators. You will appreciate this truth that if Monotheism and faith prevail, selfishness and hegemonic tendencies will fail. If faith exists, selfishness will seize to exist and the rights of others will be respected. There will be no wars, aggression, sedition and oppression and justice will prevail. With justice comes peace. With peace comes security.”

It is possible that something along the lines of the BBC quote was said after the prepared speech. It is similar to what I quoted above, and seems consistent. The BBC quote, however, especially in the context of the entire speech, is nothing close to the Russian, mangled version. It should be noted that the Malaysian News media also did not report anything resembling the BBC quote either. (6)

Read the entire speech by Ahmdinejad. It is a very good example of how the MSM (and especially obscure Russian media sources) can take a rational, reasoned, and in my view completely accurate speech, and twists it to death in order to demonize someone whose country has already been slated to be bombed.

1) realite-eu.org/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=9dJBLLNkGiF&b=2315291&ct=4058419 quoting kommersant.ru/news.aspx?NewsID=95536
2) AP Worldstream, “Iran's president says U.N. nuclear watchdog biased, predicts fall of ‘Zionists’”, March 3, 2006, by Vijay Joshi
A severely edited version of the AP report is here:
jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395528628&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
3) See note 2. Because the Jerusalem Post version of the AP report is edited, it does not include this quote. However, the “regrettably…” quote can be found here:
cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/03/iran.nuclear/index.html
The rest can be found in the original AP report.
4) BBC Monitoring International Reports, “Iran’s President Questions Existence of Israel Again”, March 3, 2006, Text of report by Iranian radio on 3 March
5) kln.gov.my/?m_id=25&vid=29
6) bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=183591

Wow, this inbred old bastard is about as ugly as ugly does. I'd imagine that this must be somewhat like what the Habsburgs must have looked like toward their later years of rule.

My gosh - don't they have dentists & dermatologists at their disposal? My eyes are burning.

Now there's a guy who needs a Restoration Weekend.

I have a friend who markets dermatological products.

'My Allah is better than yours"- Qaradawi is a classy case of it.

You must see this great piece of Muhammedan art:

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/09/28/islamic-art/

Whatever the looks of the man, I would have liked to hear the European politicians make this kind of comment about Izlam and the Western orld.

Whatever the looks of the man, I would have liked to hear the European politicians make this kind of comment about Izlam and the Western world.

The pot looks really p'od at the kettle.

"And then they told me to floss... like this!"

Sunni cleric Yusuf Qaradawi calls Shiites heretics..

YAY...

trying to invade Sunni nations,

Yay!!

tapping into anti-Iran anxieties.

Yay!!! Applause...

Shiites express dismay...Yay!!... at the remarks amid Iraq war and efforts to forge unity.

Over all...an C+...Qaradawi's da man...

Marisol - I wouldn't have the heart to subject even dental floss to such a dirty mouth, LOL! I hope dentists charge double for filthy gums like his. Dentures are in his future.

"Qaradawi's only problem is that he feels Shia's are proselytizing in Sunni areas. This he doesn't like."

Posted by: dave742

Muslims proselytizing Muslims...interesting...

It appears Qaradawi is placing the Shi'ites in the same boat as the Ahmadis...

Islam certainly is an odd religion...

This ugly old geezer should be made to wear a burka or he should stay out of camera view.

Believer vs. believer - this is good. Do you need some weapons on credit? No problem! We will give you NINJA credit.

He has to play it both ways. On the one hand, he's a Muslim Brotherhood-backed Salafist, which is an inclusive ideology aimed at destroying the West, and on the other hand he still has to answer to his Wahhabi overlords, who of course fund the Muslim Brotherhood and hate Shia to the extent that their textbooks made for Western consumption explicitly order children to kill them along with Jews, Christians, homosexuals, feminists, and individuals who engage in consentual romantic relationships independently of incestuous Sharia sex slavery. Without answering to the Wahhabis the Muslim Brotherhood has to rely on the zakat terror-financing of the Muslim world, which of course maounts to less than half of what they get from the Wahhabis. Qaradawi only represents the MB, and this scism is not limited to him. It signals trouble within the Muslim brotherhood in the Middle East. The Ikhwan is also threatened by the Tancredo bill and the Holy Land retrial. This may be better news than Fjordman thinks. Of course, I don't believe that there are that many Shia left in Iran these days, but we'll never know until we have a war or they have a revolution.

If Muslims ever did anything productive with their lives they would have enough confidence and not enough time to sit around and come up with crazy-ass conspiracy theories. At least he didn't blame it on the Jooooos. Isn't it ironic that he criticizes Christians for peaceful missionary work when his death-cult was spread through violence and murder, and he himself endorses the murder of apostates?

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. -Winston Churchill, 'The River War'

I don't know what "bida" is.

Wikipedia's bid‘ah

And yes, Qardawi's beef with the Shias is proselytizing. Has anyone claimed otherwise? What's your point? Have you even stopped to consider why this proselytism is considered a threat by the Sunnis (after all, they are still Muslims who follow Allah and Muhammad, aren't they?)