When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When not in Rome, do as the Romans do.
As I said here, since Sharia allows for absolutely no compromise, that means that American businesses are going to have to choose between making Muslim employees a privileged class, and alienating their non-Muslim employees, or allowing no Sharia accommodation at all. The Muslims will go to court and probably will win there -- and non-Muslim workers will either leave the plant or stay on, their resentment festering at the special treatment given to the Muslim workers.
"Talks break down between Muslims and Swift," by Chris Casey for the Greeley Tribune, September 10 (thanks to John):
Talks between JBS Swift & Co. officials and Muslim workers seeking prayer breaks during Ramadan broke down Tuesday afternoon and turned into calls of breach of contract.The roughly 250 workers, who've been suspended since walking off the job Friday night, say they will not return to work and may take legal action. They also acknowledge they may face mass terminations.
A mid-afternoon meeting between the Muslim representatives and about 80 of the suspended workers grew heated in a downtown Greeley park when the representatives relayed information to the crowd.
When workers learned the company would not allow break times for prayer, many shouted and crowded around a gazebo from which the representatives spoke. Within 30 minutes, workers split into smaller groups and milled around the park.
Complaints of on-the-job discrimination and harassment as well as non-responsive union representation marked the second straight day in which hundreds of Muslims, mostly Somalis who have been hired at Swift in the past year, gathered in the Greeley park.
Graen Isse, an African Swift worker, and several other Muslim workers met with company officials and a union representative for a few hours Tuesday, looking over a two-page list of grievances the Muslims presented. He said company officials verbally agreed to some items, such as requests for more African/Somali supervisors and improved translation for non-English speaking employees.
But Isse said the requested prayer breaks -- a major issue for Muslims at all times but especially during Ramadan -- was rejected by management.
"The thing they didn't agree with was the prayer (breaks)," Isse said. "And that was the whole problem from the start."
Upon hearing that news, a group of disgruntled Muslim workers clustered around Isse and said, "No prayer, no work."
When a union leader said he would assist those suspended by taking their names and Social Security numbers, his offer was ignored.
Kaise Egal, another Muslim representative, said Swift management conveyed that workers would be fired if they took unauthorized breaks. He said officials noted that the suspended workers, if they reported to work Tuesday afternoon, would be disciplined for their actions last week, and if they had another work-related disciplinary action they'd be fired.
Most of the workers expected the company would fire them if they returned to work today.
An official with JBS Swift & Co. did not immediately return calls seeking comment Tuesday afternoon. On Monday, a company official said no workers had been terminated over the Friday incident.
On the matter of breaks, Egal said, "We ask a maximum of 10 minutes" for prayer per shift.
The Muslims said they thought the problem was resolved last Thursday after company officials said the workers could break at 7:30 p.m., earlier than their usual union-contract mandated breaks at about 9:30 p.m.
But they said the company, without advance notice, on Friday didn't grant the 7:30 p.m. breaks and instead mobilized to keep workers on production lines. Workers nonetheless began walking out for breaks and, according to the two-page document, "management and administrative employees started harassing and collecting badges from Muslim workers that took breaks as agreed. ... Management blocked restrooms and break areas and that started massive disturbances and conflicts at the plant."
Fernando Rodriquez, who heads the United Food Commercial Workers Local 7 at Swift, the union that represents production workers, on Tuesday explained details of the collective bargaining contract with the gathered Muslims.
He said when an employee works at least eight hours and 12 minutes in a shift, the company must, in accordance with the union contract, give them three breaks -- two 15-minute spans plus a 30-minute break. "You should be covered for your prayer time," Rodriquez said.
Under that scenario, the Muslim workers' second break on the late shift would be about 7:30 p.m. when most of them end their 12-hour Ramadan daily fasts.
However, workers said, they haven't been getting three breaks.
Amina Warsame, who has worked at Swift for a year, said she regularly works nine hours and gets two breaks. Others said they work as much as 10 to 12 hours and only have two breaks -- a 30-minute break and a 15-minute break.
"We asked the company to give us whatever the union says, and we're happy," Egal said.
Rodriquez said company officials had a different view on the subject of the eight-hour, 12-minute shifts.
"The company claims they were not working the majority of (workers who walked off jobs Friday) more than eight hours, 12 minutes" per shift, he said. Therefore, those workers were entitled only to two breaks per shift.
Isse said Tuesdays' meeting with Swift officials wasn't entirely unproductive. Officials said they would work to get more Somalis in management positions as well as provide interpreters for workers seeking answers to questions, he said.
Omar Clarke, a 10-month Swift employee, said he feels the company is in breach of contract "because they never gave us the third break."
Swift released a statement Monday afternoon that said a group of workers left without authorization Friday, and the matter was discussed with union representatives. "JBS Swift desires to accommodate the religious practices of all employees, provided it can do so reasonably, safely and without undue burden," the statement said.
Meanwhile, the Muslims' two-page document outlined a list of grievances that extend beyond the current Ramadan issue, including "supervisors and managers that are constantly discriminating against Muslims."
It also detailed events on Friday evening that included harassing a few Somali women who had gone into a locker room to pray, and a shutdown of drinking fountains.
Khadra Abdullahi, 22, said a supervisor stepped on her back as she was laying on the floor to pray on Friday evening. The supervisor, she said, told her work wasn't the place for exercising and then pushed her against a wall....
This story is clearly not going to go away anytime soon.
Meanwhile, the Muslims' two-page document outlined a list of grievances that extend beyond the current Ramadan issue, including "supervisors and managers that are constantly discriminating against Muslims."
Why am I not surprised that there is a huge list of grievances in addition to the Ramadan issue? Muslims consider it "discrimination" to block or even question any attempts to assert their priveledged position as granted to them by Allah. With Infidel law replaced by Sharia being the ultimate goal.
Send them all home to Somalia. The born and bred Americans don't seem to have pages of grievances with the company.
You have to earn respect and these muslims are not going to get any. They disgust me almost as much as the idiots giving in to them.
So how long have Muslims worked at this plant? No action by them until now? Is that because their numbers increased their boldness, their sense of entitlement, supremacy, and yes, their own display of bigotry? Isn't that exactly what informed experts have been warning about when their numbers increase sufficiently? Now apply that recipe across the nation.
How can they even work on assembly line in those outfits? Isn't all that fabric a hazzard?
Now how many employers are gong to want to hire Muslims after this?
Now how many employers are gong to want to hire Muslims after this?
Posted by: tanstaafl
hopefully not a one.
Graen Isse, an African Swift worker, and several other Muslim workers met with company officials and a union representative for a few hours Tuesday, looking over a two-page list of grievances the Muslims presented. He said company officials verbally agreed to some items, such as requests for more African/Somali supervisors and improved translation for non-English speaking employees.
Could someone translate this to Somali:
Separate your politics from your religion, then leave both at home when you come to work, and just worry about getting your job done. That's the way we do it in the United States.
"No prayer, no work."
From the article.
OK. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
"No prayer, no work"
That's fine. No work, no job.
Are these people all here legally? Has anyone checked? Is that why they won't give their social security numbers? Lots of basic questions on this.
Two Questions:
1) Swift management would no doubt like to ask: Whose bright idea was it to hire all these Somalis in the first place?
2) American non-Muslims would no doubt like to ask: Whose bright idea was it to admit all these Somalis -- not to mention other Muslims -- to the United States in the first place?
Answers, please.
Heh heh,
Khadra Abdullahi, 22, said a supervisor stepped on her back as she was laying on the floor to pray on Friday evening. The supervisor, she said, told her work wasn't the place for exercising and then pushed her against a wall....
heh heh
She demands the right to be stupid:
Tabari I:280 "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."
Dress like a ninja:
Qur'an 33:59 "Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better."
Be treated like an enemy:
Ishaq:584 "Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman."
Be thought of as dirty:
Qur'an 4:43 "Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving." [The Qur'an claims women are unclean and polluted - worse than dirt.]
To be beaten:
Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."
To populate hell:
Bukhari:V1B22N28 "The Prophet said: 'I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, 'All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"
The roughly 250 workers [...] say they will not return to work.
Good.
Get someone willing to put their work obligations above the religious ones, and let the religious fanatics starve.
I'm sure it'd be understood as being the Will of Allah. Right?
the Muslims' two-page document outlined a list of grievances.
How come I'm not surprised? Islam seems to have little else to offer. And certainly not the kind of personal responsibility that is quite useful in a modern, non-tribal world.
>>Upon hearing that news, a group of disgruntled Muslim workers clustered around Isse and said, "No prayer, no work."
Great! Get the hell out of our country you Islamic Barbarians.
Look at the photo of the Primitive Islamic women in sheets and tents! Good God - WHAT are they doing in America?? DEPORT NOW, AND STOP ALL FURTHER MOHAMMEDAN IMMIGRATION.
The United States has historically accepted more refugees for resettlement than all other countries combined.
http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?ID=229
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=020a96981298d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=a9b4ef4c766fd010VgnVCM1000000ecd190a____
We need the best and the brightest to make up a good country and look what we get for immigrants. Nice going federal immigration officials. Only someone that hates America would allow this kind of immigration. Deport these barbarians.
People - click on "Consumer Feedback" and say your thing:
http://www.jbsswift.com/contact/index.php
We need the best and the brightest to make up a good country and look what we get for immigrants. Nice going federal immigration officials. Only someone that hates America would allow this kind of immigration. Deport these barbarians.
Posted by: Spot on at September 10, 2008 4:59 PM
Yes, "look what we get for immigrants" - 7th century Barbarians.
Yes, "Deport these Barbarians." Especially before the tented, brainwashed, females (as shown in the photo to the article) produce their minimum 17 children.
improved translation for non-English speaking employees.
screw that the usa was originally a English speaking country and while Spanish is now a secondary language English is the primary language and ALL immigrants must learn english or spanish give them English lessons instead and if they will not adapt to the country send them home
Greetings:
First, they came for the prayer breaks;
Then, they came for the foot baths;
Next, they came for a prayer room;
Then they privatized the prayer room;
Then, they wanted halal foods;
Then they wanted no haram foods;
Then they wanted no haram fools.
This is another great story from the age of the tyranny of the minorities. Back in my Psychology studying days, there were some interesting readings in Group Dynamics about the ability of "determined minorities" to impose their will(s) on majority populations most often with disastrous results.
What we need is a nice little New York shyster who, when he finishes suing his mother, will find a client who will sue the company for creating a "hostile work environment" by establishing the Muslim "religion" in the work place. I would love to see how the Federal Government would deal with those Islamic "scriptures" that USC forced the MSA to remove from its web site.
And to think Bush wants to bring in thousands more Iraqi Muslims- talk about cutting our own throats. I oppose bringing them without thoroughly checking their background and beliefs.
I agree that if any immigrant does not like our culture and refuse to assimilate then they should go home.
The more Muslim immigrants come here the more things like this will happen, we have very few in my area.
I sent an email to my congressman prostesting Muslim immigrations, without a complete background check, under the grounds that it is a threat to our way of life. Although, they can lie to the infidel so....
After being allowed immigration status to the USA if they are involved with any anti american involement or want to force sharia law on the majority or by violence then they should be deported, same with any immigrant. It is called National security!! Something the current adminstration seems to have forgotten with such a lax immigration policy and open borders.
For the Muslims who want to live in peace and do not believe they are superior to other religions- welcome to America.
We really need to cut back on refugees and immigration period- numberusa.com
From above: For the Muslims who want to live in peace and do not believe they are superior to other religions- welcome to America...
Yes welcome...both of you...
Learning to say NO. A short word with lots of power, but sometimes you have stamp your foot as well. 'I SAID NO!!!! Stamp stamp...
At the moment Swift is stamping their feet, when the dust settles they may have to hire a bunch of new employees that won't give management a headache, and threaten the profit structure...
Muslims and Western Civilization simply don't mix. All this story does is add yet another example (there are thousands by now) to prove this contention.
How about give in to their demands and nobody will buy your goods. Boycott!
We have a fairly new Pork plant in my town, with many new Hispanic workers, about 700. There were and still are complaints from the locals about the new arrivals, even though they haven't caused any trouble. Their kids behave better in school than the native kids, and there haven't been any walk offs the job for ANY reason. Next time someone gripes I'm going to show them these pictures and articles.
They probably want to get fired so they can file for unemployment and welfare. These young muslimas should be enrolled in the local mosque-sponsored obscene breeding progam so they can spawn at least ten offspring each by the time they're thirty.
I wonder where their male keepers are while they're slaving away at the local processing plant, deprived of their rights and dignity and denied "prayer" time at work. It's amazing how these savages, rescued from the most oppressive, violent, desolate conditions imaginable, turn into political/labor activists almost overnight. Their transformation is astounding but I'm sure they couldn't do it without plenty of help and advice from seasoned Muslim Brotherhood islamic advocates.
It's beyond sickening to see these illiterate barbarians come to this country and exploit American taxpayers and employers, demanding "rights" they don't have. They didn't demand their rights in their native countries because they had none. Why do we subject ourselves to these insults and abuses by the scum of the earth; ungrateful, unworthy savages?
This story ticked me off so much I went off and watched "Blackhawk Down", for the 4th time. Especially the scene where the US helos with their mini-guns go on their 2:00 AM strafing runs. For some reason, I perked up and got a smile on my face after that scene, and didn't feel so bad about this story.
Look for the oil money
'No prayer time, no work'
Fine, 'Your Fired!'
It's good to see the management taking a strongish line here, though still not strong enough.
This looks like one of those disputes that may go all the way through the courts and the appeals system.
Just watch some dhimmi judges overrule the company and set the wrong precedent.
Especially if Americans elect the wrong President.
GW Bush lives in his Dad's "new" world of globalism. He knows no other. What we see here is part of Daddy Bush's new world. Clinton loved this world because of the "opportunities" that globalism offered. Corporations are finding great business opportunities with "new" world globalism. Most of our politicians in Washington are also finding great "opportunities" with globalism. They are all taking care of themselves and their friends very well. These people are not standing up for what's best for America. They are leaving all the unanswered problems caused by this "new" world to us. They take the money and are leaving all the PROBLEMS to us.
-Who will take care of the social needs of these foreign workers?
-How will our sons and daughters make a decent living in a place where the supply of labor and skilled labor is infinite?
-How will the USA remain sovereign and solvent when these people have no loyalty to the USA.
-How will our culture survive?
-How can we control the crime?
-How can we remain free when these people do not want freedom?
-How can the hugh cash flows remain in such a few hands without catastrophic errors and misjudgements?
-How can the net worth of our country remain of great value?
-How can we and the USA survive this assault.
-How can we have a just a "service" economy and continue our nations prosperity with no manufacturing, when manufacturing is what gave us prosperity in the first place?
Our government is leaving all these questions for us to figure out.
If this condition continues indefinitely, we will gradually come under the control of other countries who are not our friends.
It would be a good thing to separate the pork meat processing plants from the rest of the meat processing plants that are contaminated with low hygiene standards Muslim workers. And since Muslims refuse to handle pork meat and we (Americans) refuse to trust the Muslims with our pork meat, this would be a perfect world.
Some of us who are refusing to consume meat and poultry not trusting who could have contaminated it can be assured that pork would 100% Muslim free.
We can trust the pork meat and use it as a substitute to the contaminated beef and poultry where Muslims love to stick their hands.
We can insure that Muslims can never contaminate pork meat as we can no longer trust beef and poultry being processed by Muslims. Now more than ever, I trust the Chinese imported meat and poultry and would be willing to pay three times more for the Chinese imported meat and poultry.
look for Kosher meat or import from Mexico or China if you want your meat to be Muslim contamination free.
It's beyond sickening to see these illiterate barbarians come to this country and exploit American taxpayers and employers, demanding "rights" they don't have. They didn't demand their rights in their native countries because they had none. Why do we subject ourselves to these insults and abuses by the scum of the earth; ungrateful, unworthy savages?
Posted by: Susanp at September 11, 2008 12:52 AM
I always enjoy your "take no prisoners" approach to Mohammedans and Islam, Susanp.
It is a mistake for any non-Muslim country to import these barbarians in large numbers because once they reach a large number they will start to demand 'special treatment and laws' to benefit only them.
If we are to import immigrants then lets get Christians or some other faith that doesn't have a pedophile mass murderer as its founder.
always enjoy your "take no prisoners" approach to Mohammedans and Islam, Susanp.
Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 11, 2008 11:03 AM
Well, I have to practice being politically incorrect whenever the opportunity presents itself, and this site offers an infinite array of opportunity!
Sometimes tact and diplomacy are necessary but political correctness is suicidal. In the case of islam, I see no need or reason to beat around the bush. There is nothing subtle about islam or the rabid mullahs and imams who teach it to their brain dead flocks. They teach them to hate, lie, deceive, kill, rape, kidnap, terrorize, and enslave as the qur'an decrees. Nothing I say compares to the vile invective emanating from the putrid bowels of islam's clergy and spewed like projectile vomit from their foul mouths into the hearts and minds of the fervent faithful.
I believe that veracity and candor are imperative no matter how volatile the subject, and every nasty truth I reveal about muslims and islam is an obligation, a duty, and a catharsis.