The Hijab as aphrodisiac

"With young women in our nation shamelessly flaunting themselves these days, it leaves little to the imagination--which, as Wolf says, actually reduces libido in men."

"...actually reduces libido in men?"

Now, how do we reconcile this idea with the "uncovered meat" statement, so beloved by Muslim men and women alike?

What a ridiculous opinion piece by Stephanie Floyd. The hijab as an aphrodisiac, indeed. Come on, all you guys out there. Do you find hijabs and hefty bags sexy?

(Please don't publish any more pictures of Ingrid Mattson. That smug self-satisfied smirk she always wears makes me have violent thoughts.)

Wolf has gone off the deep end.

(see her comments on Sarah Palin)

A lefty who will say anything.

Enter the house of islam, but leave your mind at the door - madness.

Call it Slavery 101.

Sad but true, those whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.

"Intrusive Western stares?" That's pretty presumptuous. Not a whole lot of muslim women look like Pam Anderson or Hugh Hefner's Girls Next Door. I doubt the men are staring at uncovered muslim women at all. I have learned to look right through the veiled types and not see them at all.

From the movie, Total Recall:

How do you like your women?

Blonde? Brunette? Redhead?

Brunette.

Slim. Athletic. Voluptuous.

Athletic.

Demure. Aggressive. Sleazy.

Be honest.

Sleazy.

I never did like Naomi Wolf, and I mean regarding her books from back in the '90's, way before 9/11.

Now I see she's gone insane. I have pretty good gut instincts sometimes.

The author of this article clearly demonstrated what an air head he clearly is when it comes to the serious issues of Islam.

He cranks narrowly away on his own self indulged, and newly discovered epiphany simply over the Hijab.

Yea that's it, if we understand the social value of the hijab then we will have a complete understanding of Islam----yee gads; God Save us Please!

I will continue to wear my badge as a Islamophobian with honor

The writer in question, Naomi Wolf, casting about for a new topic, appears to have found it. What better way to epater, than to defend the hijab? But why stop there. Why not the burqa? Why not the eye-slit of the niqab?

Naomi Wolf preeningly insists on her empathetic identification with wearers of the hijab in this country. But she . does not extend such empathy to Muslim women in Muslim-ruled lands, who are forced to wear, through law or incredible social pressure, the hijab – as in Egypt today, rapidly re-hijabbing (to the astonishment of Nonie Darwish and others who returned to Egypt after decades away). She does not say a word about the burqa or the niqab. She says nothing about the Arab women who, the moment the planes lift off from Arab lands, delightedly fling off their burqas and other imposed dress. She says nothing about the acid thrown in the face of Afghani women today who are uncovered, nothing about the religious police – the mutawwa – of Saudi Arabia, nor their Shi’a equivalent in the Islamic Republic of Iran, enforcing not only the wearing of the hijab, but of burqas. She says nothing about the French studies of the cases brought against the laic state for forbidding the hijab in schools, in which, so French women writers have discovered – the very “feminists” whom Naomi Wolf used to claim as soul-mates – are put-up jobs, with the Muslim men forcing the girls to make this stand.

And Naomi Wolf does not distinguish between the “converts” or “reverts” to Islam in the West, who are a very particular and bizarre group (see, e.g., Ingrid Mattson), for whom the wearing of the hijab gives them such perverse pleasure, for they now become, so often, the cynosure of all Infidel eyes. That is not the spirit in which girls and women born into Islam, and forced even in the West, often, to wear the hijab not because of the law but because of overwhelming family pressure – wear the hijab. The “reverts” are happy in their outward sign of submission to the demands of Muslim men (and to the Islam-based notion that women are dangerously seductive, and men, poor men, cannot control themselves but must, necessarily, behave as beasts if those naturally seductive women do not make every effort to tone down, or hide, that seductiveness).

No one should object to the objection that this society is immodest. It is, and modest dress is hardly objectionable in itself: few object to the long dresses of the Amish, or to the wigs of Orthodox Jewish women. And for god’s sake, one found oneself admiring the modest dress, if not the robotic mental state, and the Gibson-girl hair-piles of the female followers of Mr. Jeffs, the ones taken into custody in Texas some months ago.

Wolf wishes to pluck out the hijab, and disconnect it to all the things – the passages in Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira that inculcate Islamic supremacism, that divide the world uncompromisingly between Muslim and non-Muslim, Believer and Infidel, and insist that a permanent state of war, if not open warfare, must exist between the two until, through the central duty of Jihad, that is the “struggle” to remove all obstacles to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam – to which it does connect. She ignores the collectivism of Islam and its indifference to the individual, ignores the hostility to freedom of speech, to freedom of conscience, to free exercise of religion – as that term is understood in the West -- by non-Muslims, to varieties of artistic expression other than calligraphy and architecture, to free and skeptical inquiry. Unlike the well-informed and clever French women who have written about Islam and the laic state, Naomi Wolf remains ignorant, and whatever else she may be, she is not clever save in the crude, careerist sense --- and there, of course, all kinds of people in this country, including professional “conservatives,” can give her a run for her money.

Whoops! I meant she from commment above

Naomi Wolf states that we as a nation need to understand that the Islamic way of dressing is not intended to suppress sexuality, but to embody "a strongly developed sense of its appropriate channeling--toward marriage and the bonds that sustain family life."

The picture in the article reminded me more of the nuns in my Catholic school. We were taught they took vows of chastity. Who knew they were "channeling -- toward marriage"?

An aphrodisiac for sheep hearders. Now we know where Naiomi Wolf's heart lies.

Er, okay Naomi, so if that's the case then the female goat problem can be solved by having the goats wear a hijab instead of the diapers??

What garbage....

It's not like "modesty in attire" is unique to Islam, though they have managed to relegate to the "runway of 1400 years ago" rather successfully.

Yet our reporter is so clue free. Oh - when we're broadcasting, and I wear something - ummm - non-revealing and professional - that's - ummm - (wait for it) modesty???!!!!!

"Intrusive Western stares"? What an offensive inversion of the truth. Any woman will tell you it's actually Western men who tend to avert their eyes from "uncovered meat" more respectfully, while Muslim men openly, possessively, and aggressively stare, if not worse.

"To say wearing more revealing clothing represents freedom is ridiculous, especially when a woman might choose to dress more conservatively to feel comfortable" - What's ridiculous is the assumption that all Muslim women CHOOSE to dress modestly and all Western women dress like Vegas hookers. It's not "revealing clothing that represents freedom," it's the ability to choose, itself. Ms. Floyd is an idiot.

She probably swallowed a few mother's helpers too many.

The hijab, especially the full body armor with only an eye slit. A ninja leisure suit for women, that attracts men...How sweet it is...

This could become a fashion rage, with many kuffar women wearing them in public. Attracting men all over the place.

And what a boon to love and attention starved Kufr women who get ignored uncovered, but now are the center of attention. The full black suit, dark sunglasses, and elbow length black gloves, are sure to melt any man, and leave him a quivering mass of jelly. A blessing from Allah...

"Come on, all you guys out there. Do you find hijabs and hefty bags sexy?"

Not really. Iran (the most "evil" state at the moment), however, does not have this type of dress code. Women in Iran simply need to wear a scarf, and are attractive:

http://lifegoesonintehran.com/images/04_2007/thecuz2.jpg

In general, Persian women are the most beautiful women in the world:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/AidaYespica/Claudia%20Lynx/ClaudiaLynx.jpg

Maybe she was just having a bad hair day. Oh, and don't forget to walk three paces behind your man. You don't HAVE a man. Then what are you doing on the street, whore.

I’ve caught a couple of Naomi Wolf interviews a couple of times recently, and read her hijab article. She’s disturbing in a little sister goes SS while telling us the other guy's a fascist kind of way, and comes across as a strange mixture of midlife crisis, auto erotic self titillation, and ultra extreme Left wing political projection. Not just weird, but Alfred Hitchcock scary for the dissonance between the content of her message and the demeanor of her presentation. I’d like to think she’s just doing it for money and attention, but I'm afraid not all the nuts in her wagon have been properly torqued.

She is just preparing us for our new overlords.
/no way in hell

... so disturbing it makes me say couple a couple of times in the same sentence....

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/abulkazem/SexualityinIslam.htm
A woman's entire body is "shameful".

Meanwhile, we all need a treat, don't we, after the humorlessness and silliness of Naomi Wolf. So, here, for the denizens of the advanced non-Muslim world, that world which the naomi-wolfs merely pass through, in a mental and emotional disarray that is palpable, are three most hijab-less ladies, offered in ascending order of (presumed) seductiveness. Who would not fall for, or wish to give his all for, any of the three?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9XOAJlbjUo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-HNZLg6ntI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQtHZeyIfrM

Bra-burners for burka.

This event is a summary of the entire western feminist involvement in the jihad and against the resistance.

These are people who have dedicated a significant part of their lives to denigrating western men and western ways of marriage and love -- and that with truly breath taking vehemence and malice.

But when a truly threatening competitor comes along in the person of the jihaddi, with his utter brutality toward women and the young, up go their skirts and their knees.

This goes beyond mere treason. This is betrayal for kicks.

What is revealed here is moral depravity.

From my experience, its Muslim men and those from 3rd world cultures that denigrate women who tend to stare at women.

As far as Wolf goes, she's your typical shallow lefty millionaire who needs to denigrate western society and elevate backward and savage western hating cultures.

"Why stop there? Maybe wife-beating (Koran 4:34) and polygamy (Koran 4:3) wouldn't be such bad ideas either for you "Western gals"? (Just providing the logical extension of these observations, not my own opinion, mind you.)"

LOL! or how about a little Islamic sexual assault and some prison time if you don't have 4 woman to go to trial with you as witnesses? To go with the garb, of course.

"With young women in our nation shamelessly flaunting themselves these days, it leaves little to the imagination--which, as Wolf says, actually reduces libido in men."

I thought the conservative dress was an essential defence against rousing the desire of the Muslim man, so as to prevent rape, boy I'm confused now!

If this is true then why do women who are well beyond the age that any rational man would want to have sex with them still wear cover?

If it is to deter sexual advances from men then what if you are extremely ugly,dis-figured or in some way un-appealing to any man?

JLP

"as Wolf says, actually reduces libido in men"

As she would know...........

You know this is a real insult to me. This insults my beliefs and my religion of freedom.

Truly, I have no problem with hijab as such!

I disagree with the fact a woman or a girl could be forced to carry a hijab.

Religious Jewish women in the time of Jesus had something similar to a hijab. Mary, the Mother of God (as to me), had something jewish similar to a hijab. Nowadays, religious Jewish women carry wigs in order to hide their hair.

Religious catholic women carry a veil in several circumstances.

Numerous aspects of Islam are evil as they are against natural law. The hijab is not intrinsically evil; the hijab can be evil when it is connected to compelling and submission of the woman to the man.

Demure. Aggressive. Sleazy.

Be honest.

Sleazy.

Posted by: Aiken Bryce

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Actually the answer was: sleazy AND demure.

FWIW

Hmmm...burkini versus bikini? For this hetrosexual kufr it's an obvious choice.

"Hijab as aphrodisiac?" Yyyyyyyeeeeeeah.

I could just see myself coming home dressed up as Ingrid Mattson, and my husband doing wolf whistles and shouting, "Hey, baby! Hubba hubba! I love it when you wear a hijab, Oxfords and khakis! I'm sooooo turned on right now! Yowza!"

Ya ever feel like your the nut and these people are sane that maybe you walked into the i dont know twilight zone.
So let me get this right exactly western women who burned there bras in the 60s now think that submissive clothes are all the rage and this guy loves his women dressed in black basically full covered potato sacks hmmm.
I think it is more like this guy cannot deal with strong women hes more a guy who has problems with even getting a date or again maybe it's just me and i'm the nut.

No longer must I be ashamed of my attraction to Aunt Bee.

Thank you Naomi Wolf for telling it like it is.

Aunt Bee was just ahead of her time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:First_Episode_Aunt_Bee_10101.JPG

My problem with the hijab aside from it being ugly, is that women including non-Muslim women have been forced to wear it. If the hijab is so liberating and wonderful, it seems women would choose to wear it freely.Rather then having to be coerced with threats of death, rape and maiming (usually with acid to the face) for dearing not wearing it.

This so-called "feminist" Naomi Wolf is pathetic. I remember her on the Nov. 13, 2001 Bill Maher's "Politically Incorrect" show seated next to the jihadist "Palestinian" professor Maher Hatout, fawning all over him. And this pathetic female is supposed to represent "pride" of American women. Even more bizarrely, she coached dork Al Gore on how to be "the Alpha male" at the presidential election debates with George W. Bush the previous year. No wonder Gore lost a sure-win election.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Crazy Wolf is at it again with her wacky theories. Couple of her theories are just hilarious.

I think the hihab, and even the burqa, were covered on the What Not To Wear television show as a fashion DON'T; so anything with a cultish or goolish look or feel to it will never make it into my wardrobe.

Oops..."ghoulish"...not goolish

So why didn't Allah fixed this bug when he was at it the first time around creating the first human beings, making girls butt ugly and having boys being born with beards? Oh, I forgot, arab boys are born with beards... but why didn't he fix the females too?

It is too bad that the message is so intricately woven with the messenger.

Women are being trained at younger and younger ages to dress like whores. Feminist detach their aspirations from reality and wonder why they are not being taken seriously.

Wearing modest clothing is liberating in that it does leave much to the imagination. It allows a woman to compete more equally with other women and men based on accomplishments and capability. Of course, covering one's body in skin-tight clothing is almost no different than not wearing anything at all. And it's hard to hide a body that is overweight.

Posted by Enragedsince1999:

Even more bizarrely, she coached dork Al Gore on how to be "the Alpha male" …

I know, I laughed so hard when I heard about that I thought I'd need a ventilator. Putting aside the fact that she's got some issues, the idea of "coaching" a jellyfish into a wolf is hilarious.

Her message is utterly ridiculous.

Naomi Wolf in a hijab: the very picture of a pathetic dope!
No Noami & Stephanie, I don't need to "understand" nor enable 7th century Bedouin tribal tradition here in 21st Century America. The last thing I want to see is my daughter forced to endure your sense of a "modicum of modesty."

"We have to start accepting women's veils or chadors, not as a symbol of oppression, but as a representation of culture and choice."

I think that the real inanity is that the author pretends that choice is involved, but I agree that the dress is part of the cultural jihad.

American culture in dress are IMO those women who dress with utility in mind, clothes that do not impede work. The fashion mavens are to my view more a part of the over the counter culture, where sales and such are forged by image mongerring.

American women, like american men have always been hardworking, they are not concubines or courtesans or coquettes. A burka or other sort of veil would be terrible for a woman milking cows, or gatherring eggs, or hunting for food.

After all, what could a conservative woman covered, quite literally, from head to toe have in common with me?

HOW ABOUT SLAVERY! this is nothing but a brain dead leftist spoiled cow!
These looney leftist aka Stephanie Floyd will go after Gov.Palin because of her conservative values which are more main stream, and then on the other side of the coin that we
must understand the "muslim dress code"!!
Muslim men are weaker of the sexes, as they cannot control themselves, and so the women have to bag up and look like blobs. Cant these liberal loons have any common sense and see the islamist elephant in the room! l say send these looney leftist to a land of sharia and they can share their sisterhood with the likes of Naomi Wolf!

Dear Naomi Wolf,

I see a smirk on your face. You should not be smirking when you issue a fatwa.

Secondly, your collar is unbuttoned. This is not appropriate.

Please no more infidel tactics. You're trying to corrupt our faith. Go back to your own kind. You know nothing about us.

JimmyDaGeek, the vast majority of western women are modest in their attire.
Very few are undressed in public.
I think we can figure out how to dress, we do not need the islamic standards applied to our people.

Modesty has nothing to do with this conversation. Control is the name of the game: Muslim women are controlled by their husbands, fathers, brothers and their "holy" book. Western women are not.

Whether western women dress like whores or not has nothing to do with it. Western women are being targeted because Muslims cannot take over the world unless everyone is Islamicized and the most powerful visual effect after blowing people and buildings up is women in trash bags and those butt ugly head scarves that make women's faces, as one Jihad Watcher put so eloquently a few weeks ago here, look like overstuffed muffins.

This is totally a political issue, it has nothing to do with religion, otherwise why haven't ALL Muslim women, here or over in the M.E., been wearing this crap before the year 2000? Do you remember Muslim women wearing this stuff? I went to a college in the late 1970's/early 80's that had lots of Iranian students who were Muslims. I don't remember seeing even one hijab so something is pretty fishy smelling if all of a sudden Muslim women have to wear this crap.

As for Naomi Wolf, she is not planning to wear the thing. She's one of those "do as I say and I'll continue to do what I want" kind of hypocrites. I'm sure she eats meat and has an assortment of leather handbags by famous makers too, but rails on about how small her carbon footprint is. Excuse me while I hurl.

The picture above is not Naomi Wolf.
Here is Wolf -
http://www.heyokamagazine.com/NaomiWolf.jpg

Her cleavage is showing, do as I say not as I do?

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She is just preparing us for our new overlords.
/no way in hell

Posted by: interestinconundrum

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That is exactly what they are doing,

I'm with interestinconundrum,,

NO FRICKIN WAY IN HELL!!

You ever wonder just *why* they are building so many mosques??

And for you ohhh sooo conservative freaks, in your hajibs, and garbage bags,,

Here in Ontario, Canada,, us WOMEN,, can walk about in PUBLIC,, *TOPLESS*, if we want.

Our provincial government, is very modern and progressive. Our communities,, decided, that a womans breasts,, are NOT sexual objects,, they are for feeding babies.

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080630082057AAIJudM

Islam is a insult to the male, gender. They think all men are raving sex maniacs. Worse,, they think raving, with NO control.

Funny, I have lived my whole life, in WESTERN CIVILIZATION,, and have never had any problems with the civilized men of our way of life.

And thats EVEN in the Biker Scene, old'skool, hardcore, 1%'r,, don't matter,, they are civilized!!

It's the 7th century barbaric ideology, that has the rape gangs, the mutilation of little girls,, marrying off little girls to disgusting old men, thighing their babies,, BARFFFFFF!!!!

etc etc etc.

They have no class,, it's all sex/shame/resentment,, no wonder they all want to die,, they hate life.

They hate the beauty in life. They hate everything that is life affirming.

The human body has NO shame,, the SHAME IS IN THE MINDS of the people who think it and ACT upon those thoughts.

From a tattooed, lady biker witch,, who could walk around topless legally.

Pervos in the medieval east, could not handle a culture so progressive.

solsticewitch13
HD4EVR

no hajib,, EVER,, rather die!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrid_Mattson
The face with the hijab.

interestinconundrum

Pity she's crazy she's quite a hottie - at least for the mature guy.

BTW in the UK until isalm raised its head part of a standard rape defence was to claim that the victim dressed "provocatively". The feminist response was the slogan, "Whatever we wear wherever we go yes means yes and no means no!"

Now a European feminist has said "Women must understand that in a multicultural society they cannot wear anything they like". Slimy gutless creep!

I am insulted by this woman's writing. She apparently doesn't research before she writes; that's just plain lazy, and then to expect the rest of us to buy into her ridiculous opinions like we're a bunch of dummies who need someone like her to tell us what's what. In short she's full of it. "We need to accept the .. costuming as part of a culture...." No we don't! We don't NEED to accept ANYTHING about this crappy cult that murders its daughters and wives. Why isn't she writing about those issues instead of a "fashion critique"? Idiot.

spcbat,

"Ya ever feel like your the nut and these people are sane that maybe you walked into the I don’t know twilight zone."

Yes I do in fact, but I believe the correct vernacular is Bizarro World, as in the Bizarro world of "Htrae" ("Earth" spelled backwards), society is ruled by the Bizarro Code which states "Us do opposite of all Earthly things! Us hate beauty! Us love ugliness! Is big crime to make anything perfect on Bizarro World!". Anyways read about it here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World is where we have gone the Islamo-Bizarro World.

I would pose the same set of objections to Stephanie Floyd as I did to Naomi Wolf's article: First, there are many gradations of modesty short of going straight for variations on a shroud. So, why go for the drastic step when corporate-casual or church-friendly attire will do?

Probably because no one would notice you being modest -- which highlights the central idea of modesty in the first place: Not calling attention to yourself.

But where's the fun in that? Once again, it sure doesn't generate as much material for a self-indulgent, self-congratulating article. And we can't have that...

If these people...and islam would go away..I would agree to wear the hijab myself..including under my motorcycle helmet.

I saw a Western woman in a Mohammedan headscarf today at Wal-Mart and thought:

Nobody gives a damn about your stupid hair. Loser.

Posted by MarisolJW:

So, why go for the drastic step when corporate-casual or church-friendly attire will do?

Probably because no one would notice you being modest...

Bingo.

Going around and around the mulberry bush about how Muslimahs treasure their hijab, the "intrusive western gaze," and the like is no longer advancing the ball. As George Bernard Shaw remarked, "the fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

What should be emphasized is that the multiplication of hijab in Western countries and cultures is a very real, very physical threat to non-Muslim women. It is not simply about a Muslimah's choices and comfort level -- it is more properly about what consequences those choices have upon women who do not wish to bag their hair or bodies.

When imams from Australia to Copenhagen, Canada to Britain, repeatedly insist over *years* that hijab-free women are "uncovered meat," that they are taunting men to rape them, that they are whores who deserve what happens to them, there is an effect on the behavior of Muslim men in those communities. In case after case, Muslim rapists have explained that they chose their targets because they "immodestly" failed to wear hijab. In case after case, girls in Western cities are attacked, mutilated, and honor-murdered because (among other things) they refused hijab.

Hijabis are doing a great deal more than being "modest." They are supporting the gradual intrusion of the Muslim worldview of women as submissive, docile servants: lesser human beings who must conceal nearly all of themselves when they appear in public, or else risk the consequences. Naomi Wolf's "freedom" in hijab is erasure. It is the "freedom" of an animal that has successfully adopted camouflage from predators.

In that respect, hijab is a lot more than "modesty," and it's a hell of a lot more than a "choice." To free women it's a threat, and it should be seen as one.

Wolf's ridiculous piece was carried far and wide, including in the Egyptian English press.... where it was roundly excoriated by most readers, including this one:

http://www.dailystaregypt.com/thread.aspx?ThreadID=3559

BTW: Where does she (Wolf) get the idea that immodest dress has reduced the libido of Western men. I couldn't find anything about this, online, at least....

are a very particular and bizarre group (see, e.g., Ingrid Mattson), for whom the wearing of the hijab gives them such perverse pleasure, for they now become, so often, the cynosure of all Infidel eyes.

posted by Hugh

I feel nothing but utter contempt for shrouded muslimas in America. They attract attention the same way any freakish, incongruous spectacle would, like cavemen dragging women down the street by their hair. I doubt if many surprised double takes culminate with warm, fuzzy feelings of admiration and respect for these exhibitionists strutting their islamic identities on main street America. They may derive pleasure from being different, strange, and out of place in their garish outfits but some people will do anything for attention, even the negative variety.

There is a precedent for western women adopting a form of dress associated with Islamic culture. I'm not sure if it had an aphrodisiac effect or not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Bloomer

The headscarf is more offensive than a swastika. It is an explicit call for genocide of all non-Muslims, of homosexuals, of feminists, of scientists, of honest people, of dogs, of people who in any way exhibit talent or intelligence and contribute to their society's culture or upward mobility, of people who engage in romantic relationships consentually and independently of incestuous Sharia sex slavery, of people who value that which is valuable: freedom, democracy, human rights, and human dignity. And let's not forget the reason Aqsa Parvez's father gave for killing her: she didn't wear the Dark-Age Nazi slave rag and a hefty bag. She was 16.

Dave 742, you're an idiot. That is the most obvious nosejob I've ever seen in my life. Yet another reason why the Muslim world sucks. And if she were Muslim she would have a unibrow. Persian women probably were the most beautiful women in the world, but today they're almost as screwed-up-looking as women anywhere in the Muslim world. Honestly, how many of us see pictures from the Muslim world and ask ourselves, 'cheese and rice, how on earth do they get so ugly? The Copts don't look like that, and neither do Maronites.' I will grant you that Persians aren't as screwed-up-looking as Pakis or Arabs, but ugly people are a natural result of Islam, as arranged marriages absolutely preclude natural selection, inbreeding causes evolution to work in reverse, misogyny leads to overweight women, institutionalized prostitution leads to overweight (and long-bearded) men, and arranged marriages give people no incentive to not let themselves go. All this of course also leads to the near-retardation of entire populations, sexual ineptitude, no talent, bad personalities, people who aren't decent providers for their children (the whole point of mate selection from the female perspective in the animal kingdom), as well as 20x the rates of genetic defects and disorders. Call me racist if you want. The truth is not bigotry and neither is simple science.

And I forgot to add the reason why sicko asshats like Ingrid Mattson wear hijabs in the West. It has nothing to do with 'modest dress reducing men's libidos.' Gender apartheid turns men into animals who rape their daughters. That may be the most ridicuous statement ever made. Besides letting us all know that they plan to kill us and that they hate our culture, these women wear it because it allows them to hold the delusion that they are attractive. Not just attractive, but actually irresistable. Underneath that Hefty bag and that Dark-Age Nazi slave rag, they fancy themselves Cindy Crawfords. It's not a coincidence that almost every woman I've ever seen wearing that evil looks like a cross between a monkey and a seacow. In my entire life I have seen one reasonably ok-looking woman in a hijab and she was Saudi and went everywhere with her husband, so it obviously wasn't by choice. They can tell themselves that they have rockin' bodies and gorgeous faces. If they wore actual CLOTHES instead of garbage bags, and if they behaved like HUMAN BEINGS and actually interacted with men like real women do, they would get several honest assessments of their own attractiveness every day. But with the slave rag on they can continue to hold their delusion of attractiveness or of overblown attractiveness. And their men like it too. It makes it less obvious how screwed-up looking their wives are, which is an indication that they came from poor families. We can't see how similar they look, coming from the same gene pool with 70% consanguinity between them to begin with, so it's less obvious how inbred they both are and that their relationship is incestuous. It's also not a coincidence that many women 'find religion' as soon as their looks start to go and they get fat, nor is it a coincidence that it seems to always be beautiful girls/women who get 'honor' killed.

From post above: nor is it a coincidence that it seems to always be beautiful girls/women who get 'honor' killed.

I had not thought of that, but I bet you are right ninty percent or more...Another layer of pathological depravity...

Here in Toronto, I'm seeing more prepubescent girls wearing the hijab. For example, a father out with two daughters, one about four or five years old without a hijab and one about seven or eight years old with a hijab.

What on God's green earth is wrong with a child or a woman showing her God-given hair? Or face? Or limbs?

A woman's hair is the same as a man's. A woman's body is as human and as ordinary as a man's.

These stupid western feminists are applauding a shame-based system that is worse than the one their predecessors battled for emancipation.

A little less pie-in-the-sky idealism and self-esteem nurturing and more common sense is badly needed in today's so-called feminism, academia and the media.

Oh, duh_swami, Atlas Shrugs has a gallery of honor-killed women, all of them beautiful. And it's not like Islam produces even reasonably-ok-looking women by and large. Female sexuality is a huge threat to Muslim men, who don't want actual women anyway. They want mutilated undead corpses, dehumanized through silence, submission, and immobility like their houris. Oh course when a beautiful Muslim woman exerts some degree of independence, like chatting with a guy over Facebook, she has to die.

Marwan's Daughter, you wrote:

'Hijabis are doing a great deal more than being "modest." They are supporting the gradual intrusion of the Muslim worldview of women as submissive, docile servants: lesser human beings who must conceal nearly all of themselves when they appear in public, or else risk the consequences. Naomi Wolf's "freedom" in hijab is erasure. It is the "freedom" of an animal that has successfully adopted camouflage from predators.

In that respect, hijab is a lot more than "modesty," and it's a hell of a lot more than a "choice." To free women it's a threat, and it should be seen as one.

Eloquent and concise, and expresses perfectly how I feel every time I see a shrouded woman on the streets. Those words are going up on my 'fridge, right next to the photos of three burkha'd Afghani women that's been there sixteen years already.

Thanks.

The Hijab and the burka are two excellent tools for Muslim terrorists. They allow masked men to look like women and sneaked out in the public. They also make it easier for terrorist Muslim men and women to be strapped with extra, extra explosives and go undetected.

In Lebanon, the Hezbollah leader, Hassan Nasrallah, wears hijab or burka to dodge bounty hunters all the time.

As long as the Muslims continue to promote hijab and burka they are continuing to promote Islamic terrorism in the form of undetectable suicide bombers.

No one knows how best to use these tools as weapons for Muslim terrorists more than the Palestinian terrorists, Hammas.