"Islam4uk.com is a reincarnation of al-Muhajiroun in all but name."
"Islamist sect banned as security threat 'is recruiting teenagers'," by Robert Mendick for the Evening Standard, September 19:
A militant Islamic sect banned by the Government as a threat to national security has launched a campaign to radicalise teenagers in east London, the Evening Standard can reveal.
Al-Muhajiroun, headed by exiled cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed, tonight begins a recruitment drive targeting young Muslims - despite being outlawed under terror laws introduced in the wake of the 7/7 suicide bomb attacks on London.
Several members of the sect have been jailed in recent years for terror-related offences but there are fears the group is thriving again under a new name.
The group has launched a website, Islam4uk.com.
It is advertising its first youth conference, entitled Muslim Youth: The Spark of the Fire, at a community centre in Walthamstow - close to the homes of six men who face a retrial over a plot to blow up transatlantic airliners. Islam4uk.com is a reincarnation of al-Muhajiroun in all but name. It is headed by Bakri Mohammed, now living in Lebanon, and his deputy Anjem Choudary, its official spokesman.
The two have kept a relatively low profile since the 7 July attacks on London in 2005 but have become emboldened in recent weeks.
The youth conference tonight is being addressed by two notorious extremists, Abu Uzair and Abu Waleed.
Uzair, 40, who was a follower of jailed preacher Abu Hamza at Finsbury Park mosque, sprang to prominence when he praised the 9/11 hijackers as " magnificent" and claimed that if he knew terrorists were planning a suicide attack, he would not alert police.
In an interview with the BBC, Uzair declared: "We don't live in peace with you any more. The banner has been risen for jihad inside the UK, which means it's allowed for bombers to attack."
Waleed, another disciple of Hamza's, was caught on video earlier this year making a joke about Muslims taking backpacks on to the London Underground.
Having laid low for the past three years - since Bakri was forced to live in exile in Lebanon - there is concern al-Muhajiroun is growing in strength.
At a meeting last Thursday - as first reported by the Standard - almost 100 Muslims attended to hear a live video link-up with Bakri.
Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, who first called for al-Muhajiroun to be banned 10 years ago, said today: "This new group needs to be banned. Islam4uk is clearly just another side of the same coin.
"This shows the real difficulty with these splinter groups. The fact they are now getting 100 people to their meetings is very alarming."
When you turn out the lights, out come the roaches.
Wait, I'm being really mean to the roaches. When are we going to start reforming our immigration laws? This is happening right here and right now. I see no reason in compromise our existence to "prove" we are "tolerant" and "accepting" of other cultures.
I am waiting for someone to put in a good word for Hitler and the Nazis.
The meetings that were being held in East London where commented on in jihawatch last week with a video feed from Bakri at the meeting. This article states that Omar Bakri Mohammed has kept a low profile since he was exiled from the UK in 2005 to Lebanon, however this is the same Bakri who has made the world news by threatening to kill Beatle Paul MCartney when he gives a concert in Israel.
Why the British authorities where unable to charge him with threats against the kingdom is beyond me, he should be in a British lock up.
"We don't live in peace with you any more. The banner has been risen for jihad inside the UK, which means it's allowed for bombers to attack."
that means that if he is found dead, we should raise own drinks to toast his demise, i'm waiting....
"The fact they are now getting 100 people to their meetings is very alarming"
Yes, it is and has been alarming. But even more alarming is that there isn't a firm plan in place to remove this threat.
When the cancer appears, radical surgery is required to cut it out. Individuals plotting violence against the government not only need to be arrested but if convicted they need to be deported, along with their immediate family: parents, parents' spouse(s), their spouse(s), children and siblings. Root and stock...out.
This is not merely a criminal matter. This is war, a war that the politcos seem oblivious to, preferring to fight them over there so we needn't fight them over here. Unfortunately, we are expending precious resources over there while not minding the drawbridge here.
This is the type of interfaith dialogue that has a chance of being heard.
Of intersting note I have been on an anti Da'wa campaign on other forums, something we all need to do in order to spread the word. I have been conversing with several Brits, whom at first hated me, but through careful negotiation of debate and so forth have been learing a lot. Here is my last posting. " xxxxx this is for you. Now I am going to say something completely bizarre, for which everyone will hate me even more. I will say it anyways, because people need to know what is going on. Know I can back up everything I say, as that is my style. The brand of Islam being taught in Saudi funded Mosques is a battle field tactic. In the early 70's Europe signed a complicated "trade" agreement with OPEC, and Arab League nations in regards to many issues. One of the issues was immigration policy. It is no mistake that there are large populations of Muslims in European nations for Saudi preachers to convert. It is no mistake that you can actually trace Saudi money to this demographic conquest. Here is an interesting quote from the president of Algeria at the time the agreements were written up and agreed upon. “In 1974 [Algerian President] Boumedienne, the man who ousted Ben Bella three years after Algerian independence, spoke before the General Assembly of the United Nations. And without circumlocutions he said: ‘One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere of this planet to burst into the northern one. But not as friends. Because they will burst in to conquer, and they will conquer by populating it with their children. Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women.’ ” xxxxx your country is under an invasion orchestrated by OPEC/Arab League decades ago. What do you think is going to happen when you Brits come to realize what is going on? I think most of you, already instinctively know what is happening, but collectively you haven't been able to gather it all up into one thought. Well what is happening right now to your Island, and the rest of Europe can be known in a single word. Invasion. I thought it was crazy too when I first got the news, but I am sad to say it is true. You and your countrymen need to know this sooner than later. Never say it is too late. You Brits are …. how do we put it, “slow to anger, slow to cool” When you guys eventually come to grips with how you are being attacked I think there will be hell to pay, if one uses history as their guide. Have a pleasant day."
OT but not so much: JIhadwatch should take a good long look at what is happening at the Metropolitan Police, Britain's most important police force. The three highest-ranking "Asian" officers in the country have openly revolted against their boss, Sir Ian Blair. They are all working with the same lawyer, an Iranian who bought his legal qualifications from a mailbox "university" in Hawaii, and intend to use British discrimination and labour laws to throw him out. The grim justice of this is that, as everyone on Jihadwatch knows, Sir Ian Blair is the most abjectly PC and spineless of police chiefs, and has so far largely rolled over and played dead when told to. (I have to admit that he did try to get the most dangerous and corrupt of these three, one Commander Ali Dizaei, thrown out of the force, but the courts found for Dizaei and he had to reinstate and promote the bastard.) This is neither more nor less than a Muslim attempt to either take over, or to establish a blackmailing position in, the second largest armed force in Britain, a police force of more than 30,000 men with its own secret service and enormous resources. The facts have been brought out in the last couple of weeks in several articles in the Daily Mail and the Evening Standard, but, although both newspapers have made it quite clear that the case of the mutinous officers is dubious and their lawyer a crook, neither seems to have drawn the obvious conclusion about the common feature of all four, namely their religion.
What is the point of banning a group when it continues its activities under another name or no name?
Banning is not enough. Arrests and deportations would work better.
Banning them is the last thing we want!
This group needs to be given as much oxygen as possible. In the same way as Robert's message does. Robert exposes the jihadist mindset by quoting them. Why on earth would we want to suppress the jihadist message straight from the horses mouth?
Both positions although diametrically opposed seek to impart the true meaning of jihad.
Banning them just sweeps their message under the carpet and just delays the day when the British people finally wake up the threat amongst them.
Islam is a deadly pestilence. There's your WMD!
Uzair declared: "We don't live in peace with you any more. The banner has been risen for jihad inside the UK, which means it's allowed for bombers to attack
UMM i thought only the caliph co declare jihad?
as for this groups web site
i just looked at that web site and 99.9% looks like it the usual muslim winning and muslims as victems bs here are 2 examples
http://www.islam4uk.com/non-muslims/62-non-muslims/118-islam-on-violence-and-terrorism
http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affairs/latest-news/44-latest/182-release-the-muslim-captives
and here is the email for the mp thats calling for this web site to be band AndrewDismoreMP@parliament.uk
Chatillon makes a good point; "Yes, it is and has been alarming. But even more alarming is that there isn't a firm plan in place to remove this threat.
When the cancer appears, radical surgery is required...."
And this is where we need to act upon - and recognize - symptoms when they arise.
Unfortunately, when we allow easements and accept precedents on the least significant jurisdictions; parochial or provincial, we have begun appesement which, once the mood begins is never set bask.
To paraphrase: FRET, fret, the 'little things'.
When a predatory virus has metasicized, the surgery is too late.
Let me allow that the above is from personal experience from a very, very lucky gale male who is HIV positive; me. Something might have seen nice at the time quite a while back. My condition has been arrested, but prevails. My doctors and I acted. Can communities and nations be so fortunate?
I left a comment earlier, but it was deleted.
Perhaps I went too far in saying that the rules of war should apply, on the grounds that these guys have declared war and want to destroy us.
But I'm not sure if I should have said such people should be captured or killed. It's a terrible thing to say, but this is war isn't it? What does anyone else think. Am I out of order? It wouldn't be the first time, or last.
What does anyone else think. Am I out of order? It wouldn't be the first time, or last.
Posted by: StephenA55
Hi Stephen
my $00.02 worth
I've posted stuff here which I have regretted in the past (too much (haram) red wine late at night). This site needs to be moderated to prevent our enemies using poorly-judged postings against us. I didn't see your post before it was deleted, but I suppose it was removed for the above reason. Don't take it personally. Just ponder why it may have been deleted, and learn from that. Please don't think I am being patronising.(I know it sounds that way)
From above: This site needs to be moderated to prevent our enemies using poorly-judged postings against us.
Don't worry about that. The JW staff is hyper aware of enemies using poorly-judged postings against us.
The comments may not be monitored every minute, but they are monitored, for the very reasons you cite.
Nothing of a nefarious nature gets by Marisol for long...
It's not 'censorship', it's 'necessary'...
Thanks Meccano,
Maybe it's just bravado, but that quote had me worried:
"We don't live in peace with you any more. The banner has been risen for jihad inside the UK, which means it's allowed for bombers to attack."
This is not ambiguous.
On the other hand only a fool would alert his enemies to his intentions this way.
Either way let's be vigilant. Tip-offs to the police are often our best defence.
Stephen
You are right this is war. Saudi Arabia is clearly at war with Britain. The tactics are clear, demographic Jihad. The invasion of Europe is well underway. “In 1974 [Algerian President] Boumedienne, spoke at the U.N. ‘One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere of this planet to burst into the northern one. But not as friends. Because they will burst in to conquer, and they will conquer by populating it with their children. Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women.’ They have been telegraphing their moves for so long, I am wondering if we will ever take them at their words? Hopefully this invasion will be treated as invasions should, and be repulsed back to whence it came.
Omar Bakri, one of the founders of Islam4uk is the same guy who threatened Paul McCartney
It seems to have not crossed the minds of the British People to openly gather and Protest what these people are espousing.
They have more than a tendency to gather and protest just about everything else. Especially if it involves the US. It is a bit of a Puzzle as to why they give us such grief when we have never wished harm against the Government or their Citizens. While doing nothing to those who openly declare their desire to do so. With numerous examples as proof.
It seems to have not crossed the minds of the British People to openly gather and Protest what these people are espousing.
Well, it might get "cancelled" like today's rightwing demo in Berlin re the mosque. "for the greater good" was the reason.
Spit.....
I've been saying this for months. Chaudary is the most dangerous man in Britain, but is a lawyer so can tiptoe on just the right side of getting arrested.
There is more than enough evidence on Islam4UK to show that this is al Muhajiroun with a different name. But why did no-one act?
Now they'll go and rename themselves again - but probably be a bit more circumspect about it this time.
Time to ban Muslim Immigration.