UK: former soldier and teacher to be banned from ever teaching again for criticizing Islam

What about all the teachers who inculcate islam into their students?

This is so shameful I am at a complete loss..

Holding views that are inconsistent with the PC crowd, expressing those views on a public forum, the guy must have missed the memo about who still has rights and who has to shut up.

I know it must be those Inglish fundamentalist Christians that are throttling free speech in the UK.

Meanwhile in any muslim religious school in England, kids are being taught to call us apes and pigs. But I guess that's the pc left for you. How dare I be intolerant of their hatred of me.

Goodbye God save the Queen, Hello there is one god and mohammad is his prophet. I wonder how the Queen will look in a burqua.

well we can express our views to the gtc
code@gtce.org.uk

Travesty.

The political establishment is shaking in its boots and will use current laws or newly made laws to obliterate the BNP. But the BNP is becoming the only established political arm to counter the Islamists in Britain and more and more people there seem to be acknowledging that fact every day.

This stuff makes my skin crawl!

I am not all that familiar with the BNP, but I do know that the BNP is considered racist - I believe even by Spencer. However, every other party in the UK is racist against whites and bigoted against Christian, and determined to bring about the demise of Western Civilization in the UK. Race and Jihad are two separate issues, but the multi-culit traitors use utilize racism and jihad in their treasonous assualt on the West. Sadly, most racial minorities in the US and Europe have eagerly embraced the lie that whites and Western Civilization are evil. As much as I wish it didn't, race does matter. This is not the fault of traditional, loyal Westerners, but of the elites who deliberately create policies that spike racial tensions. The BNP is the last resort of any Brit who values that which the liberal parties hate. Were I eligble to vote in the UK, I would vote BNP straight ticket.

I have been reading blogs and such from the U.K. and I see many that are voting BNP, and to be honest none of them sounded racist in any way. Just terribly frustrated that their county has been invaded, and they feel almost out of opttions at this point. I have been saying for years this day will come. It is happening much sooner than I would have anticipated. We will see a Nationalist party in the U.K. you can count on that. How long can you prosecute people for voicing their opinions before they explode. The British are a tolerent people, but eventually when cornered they will do what it takes to save their country.

There is no such thing as free speech in Islam. Silly Dhimmis!

People from ethnic minorities have stopped posting on Jihad/Dhimmiwatch before now because of the presence of BNP supporters. Avoid these spiritual descendants of the British Union of Fascists like the plague if you wish to be regarded as respectable by the majority of people in the UK. They are the political equivalent of toxic debt.

it must be a slap in the face when muslims openly claim that Jesus didnt die on the cross.

in any language, this statement is a criticizing christians worldwide. And no one dares to say anything to them.

go figure!

Anyone in Britain who is anti-immigration, or who sees the need to do something about the stealth jihad underway in our country, is labelled a racist/bigot/fascist.
Electorally speaking, it's Hobson's Choice. BNP or nothing.
It breaks my heart, but it has come to this.

What do the other "mainstream" parties do stop stop Islamization?

They apologize for it, and fund it and impose "self-censorship" by threatening citizens, businesses and anyone or anything else which criticizes Islam.

Muslim teachers critize Christians...and do so openly...without penaly...

s/b penalty..

senatortombstone: 'Were I eligble to vote in the UK, I would vote BNP straight ticket.'

The BNP is virulently anti-Semitic. Knowing that and to still want to vote for them is supporting evil. They are not the only option left. Many Germans were desperate in the 20s and early 30s and saw the Nazi party as the only hope left. It would be a fatal error to vote for the BNP, although I can understand the desperation.

The BNP is virulently anti-Semitic. Knowing that and to still want to vote for them is supporting evil. They are not the only option left. Many Germans were desperate in the 20s and early 30s and saw the Nazi party as the only hope left. It would be a fatal error to vote for the BNP, although I can understand the desperation.

Posted by: johndoe [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2008 7:44 AM

What options are they then John Doe a desperate British public is literally dying to know.

The BNP has rejected anti-semitism and even has Jewish councilors.

http://www.think-israel.org/locke.bnp.html

John Doe, With respect to both you and Robert, I believe your information regarding the BNP being virulently anti-Semitic is incorrect, and I would suggest that much of what has been said about the BNP is due to fear-mongering by other political parties,our gutter press and the BBC. The BNP will have my vote, and that of many others, because they are the only party who will stand up for the indigenous peoples of our country and against the islamisation of our country and the slow destruction of our way of life. They claim they speak the truth, and that's good enough for me until I find out otherwise. The gutter press cannot be relied upon to tell the truth,so people are looking outside for websites such as this for a voice along with the BNP, where I can say what I think without fear of persecution. Any attempt to contact a British Member of Parliament about the concerns expressed here could lead to possible police intervention, due to our pc government and so we are left with nowhere to go. Furthermore, the usual auto-reply states that they can only deal with their own constituents, in other words, they are not interested in the real concerns of the British people, and so we are left to be swept away and drown.

Probably best if anyone undecided just takes a look at the BNP's website.

Look at their policies and read the comments section when they have news articles.

A leopard does not change its spots. The article posted by km has some leakage...particularly the reference to Jewish lobby groups and the indifference expressed towards the fate of Israel. Do not be deceived...because deception is the name of their game. Also, there are plenty of self-hating Jews around, so having Jewish councillors on their fascist bandwagon means nothing.

Their are none so blind as those that will not see.

Come on Johndoe what are those alternatives you mention.

How do we undo the sharia courts, the low level warfare perpetrated by Islamic gangs, the sell out of the politicians, the hijacking of UK institutions and the ethnic cleansing of whole neighborhoods.

We are all waiting, some literally by their finger tips in the face of rampant islamization, to a solution to this problem.

Here's some background on Nick Griffin, friend of the Jews.

http://www.s-light.demon.co.uk/presspack/bnp4.html

Sorry dude Search light propaganda isnt going to cut it here I am afraid. Try harder.

http://www.searchlightexposed.com/fable01.htm

km is correct. There are valid reasons to have reservations about the BNP, but being slagged off by assorted Marxist organisations is not one of them.

It can hardly have escaped anyone's notice in the UK, that the organisations that most try and portray the BNP as knuckle dragging Nazis are also those that adopt a position of craven dhimmitude whenever islamic intolerance is highlighted (the BBC, Labour party, far Left journalists etc).

Thanks Celsius, I agree that care needs to be taken with the BNP's sketchy past, but you said it better than me.

It can hardly have escaped anyone's notice in the UK, that the organisations that most try and portray the BNP as knuckle dragging Nazis are also those that adopt a position of craven dhimmitude whenever islamic intolerance is highlighted (the BBC, Labour party, far Left journalists etc).

We can add to that list fatuous West coast hippy websites that got a reality mugging on 911.

Here we go. Shoot the messenger. It's the information that counts and it's not propaganda.The facts speak for themselves and if the only people going out of their way to dig the dirt on these neo-Nazis are Marxists, then tough. To disregard the facts just because they are unearthed by a group you don't accept is just silly and immature.

km: Within the present political system in the UK, there is no alternative and voting for fascists like the BNP is morally degenerate, nauseating and contemptible.

So you have no solutions then and you would rather the Brits and other nations in Europe just curl up and get ravaged by Mohammedans and their communist enablers.

Duly noted, I trust anyone with an ounce of survival instinct will treat your last post with the contempt it deserves. No doubt you were cheering the EUrabian foot soldiers this weekend as they crushed the resistance in Cologne and beat up OAP jewish participants.

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/09/21/jewish-member-of-pro-cologne-beaten-up-by-pro-islam-thugs/

Now do us all a favor, stand aside and let those that do want to survive have a chance.

People, you can e-mail the Managing Editor of the Grantham Journal, and tell him what you think of the above article.

I did, and here's my last sentence:

"It's a horrible and pathetic sight watching once-great England suicide itself to the Barbarian Mohammedans. You people have lost your minds in the name of "multiculturalism." The supreme irony of which is that these same people you "tolerate" are the ones who will eventually destroy you. The supreme irony."

"irony, irony, all is irony."

Someone great said that, but I can't remember who. If Hugh is reading, perhaps he would know.

"irony, irony, all is irony."

Sorry, "Irony, irony, all is irony."

KM: http://www.think-israel.org/locke.bnp.html

Ah, yes, Robert Locke’s famous article. I was wondering how long it would take for it to show up again. You know, the one that “proves” that the BNP is not anti-Semitic, because, well, not only does Locke tell readers that they aren’t, but it appears on Think-Israel. How’s that for an endorsement, cry the BNP apologists?

The problem for them is that not only is Robert Locke woefully ill-informed about the true nature of the BNP (to the point of sounding like a closet supporter - more of which later), but the whole article is a tissue of falsehoods

Robert Locke tells us that his interview with BNP leader Nick Griffin was conducted during his last visit to the UK. He quotes Griffin as stating that:

“If you're going to go with that old [National Front] nonsense of Jews under every bed and responsible for all the ills of the world, then you're going to have a crazy strategic vision of who you're fighting and what to do about it. The idea that 'the Jew is the enemy' is simply over for us now”

This was a very strange thing for Nick Griffin to claim. Why? Well, Locke's article was originally published in September 2005, and his interview with Griffin took place shortly prior to this. From May 20th-23rd 2005 - presumably just before or just after his interview with Robert Locke - BNP leader Nick Griffin was a guest speaker at something called the European American Unity and Rights Conference, an innocuous-sounding title for what was in fact a gathering of the West’s leading anti-Semites, neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers, organised and hosted by former KKK leader and renowned Jew-hater David Duke.

Other speakers at the three-day Jew-hate fest included Lady Michele Renouf, a London-based socialite and arch Holocaust denier; Don Black, founder of the neo-Nazis' favourite website, Stormfront; and Michael Collins Piper, a leading American Jew-conspiracy peddlar who claims that The Mossad killed both JFK and Martin Luther King, and that Israel is developing an ethnic bomb that will kill only Arabs.

David Duke’s website carries an ad for the DVD of the conference, and Nick Griffin is clearly featured not only in the write-up but also has his photo on the sleeve of the DVD.

[I won’t post a link to Duke’s Site on JW, but Google David Duke + Nick Griffin + DVD and you’ll find the page easy enough.]

Just in case any of the BNP outreach workers in the comments section try to claim that Griffin was there to oppose the anti-Semites, here’s a lovely photo from the conference, showing Griffin (podgy fellow, second left) cosying up to Duke on stage, alongside (left) Kevin Alfred Strom, a convicted pedophile and former leading light in the National Alliance, and (right of Duke) Paul Fromm, Canadian neo-Nazi and long-time friend of Nick Griffin.

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/image/11/large/euro2005_duke_strom_and_co.jpg

Griffin’s appearance at the world’s leading festival of anti-Semitism, around the time of his interview with Robert Locke, rather refutes Locke’s naïve claim that the BNP had “dropped the Jewish Conspiracy angle”, wouldn’t you agree?

But then again, Locke does appear to be something of a BNP sympathiser. Not only did he give Nick Griffin an incredibly easy ride in this article, but he also raised money for Griffin’s defence fund during his 2006 trial.

km: You're on the wrong site, buddy. Robert has no truck with the far right anti-Semites in Europe with their deluded idea of a united resistance to jihad and their craven supporters like yourself. Hopefully, you will be banned. Contributions like yours harm the reputation of this site.

Matamoros another one who I am sure was celebrating the kicking dolled out to Jewish OAPs this week end at the hands of autonoms in Cologne.

Why does Raymond continue to post articles that go against the spirit of JW/DW?

How does this article go against the spirit of JW/DW. He explicitly states the site does not support the BNP.

This article is about supposedly free citizens being coerced by the state to accept muslims as a special class, or to put it another way to enforce dhimmitude on those that reject the islamification of their country.

Whats the problem with reporting that?

I find it ironic to see "Islam" and "promotion of homosexuality" in the same sentence.
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my $.02

So the Far Left/Islamic thugs in Cologne beat up a Jewish person demonstrating (naively) alongside the Far Right parties against the mosque. And this legitimises the Far Right? How absurd and perverse! The Far Left and Far Right are birds of a feather and share the same blind hatred. They are all fascists. The unfortunate Jewish OAP mistakenly placed himself in the line of fire by aligning himself with those who do not have his interests at heart against those who would like to annihilate him. His enemies were all around him...the Left, the Right and Muslims. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people for the right reason.

From the Yankee perspective all of this talk about who is "bad" and who is "good" is a mute point, as if you guys care what some Yank thinks anyways :-) We slide increasingly towards a Nationalist sort of outcome, as PC speech code models increasingly collide with reality. I wouldn't blame anyone for voting BNP, it is just a natural outcome that would happen in the process of the U.K. being invaded, as the current government power structure aids and abets, said invasion. The longer the schism is allowed to propagate itself the more violent the outcome may be. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that at least on some instinctual level most British people know an invasion is underway. In the passage of time this awareness will become as large a part of the cultural lexicon, as the PC speech codes are now. For now I guess we can argue about who is a bad guy, and who is a good guy, but in the end the only people to blame will be the people on the left who allowed all of this to happen in the first place. Right now, as we speak it is up to the left to defuse the situation, otherwise it could be the BNP that is left holding the bag as it were. Either way the U.K. will not allow itself to slide towards a nation that has Islamic cultural influences infused into its societal norms. These are all just facts, bad and good aside.

I see Johndoe, so we will just let those that dont match your criteria for moral purity get whats coming to them.

Nice.

Just FYI the two gentleman that were attacked were actual members of pro Cologne, the group that organized the demo. How does that equate to the group being anti-semetic.

Here are his words

I am the “eyewitness” you quoted in the story. I would like you to know that two Jews were beaten up. I am leaving Cologne with a broken rib. I was readily identifiable as Jewish from my Kippa. As they were attacking me, they were yelling “Nazi”. How odd is that? Two jews beaten on the streets of Germany, by Germans who were calling us Nazis. All of this in reposne to us out there in the streets trying to protect their cultural heritage and right to exist.

Johndoe Wrote: The BNP is virulently anti-Semitic. Knowing that and to still want to vote for them is supporting evil. They are not the only option left.

I virulently despise antisemitism, but remember, islam is the worst form of antisemitism there is. Due to the fact that all other major parties in the UK support and facilitate the islamization of their country and the BNP doesn't, it makes the BNP the least anti-semitic group in the UK by default.

km: the fact that some members of Pro-Cologne are Jewish means nothing at all. It's tragic. Those Jewish members are misguided and clearly ignorant of the background of the parties that comprise this alliance. Or perhaps not. After all, Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky..to name just two treasonous self hating Jews.... are enemies of Israel and lovers of Hizbollah and Hamas. The phenomenon of Jews associating with and supporting those who hate them is not new.
I am in agreement with Charles Johnson over at LGF and Robert here that it is a grave mistake to join forces with the Far Right in the resistance against Islamification. I am not casting aspersions on the moral purity of these two unfortunate gentlemen. They just need more information and the sense to see that there are others resisting the jihad who are not rabid white supremacists.

senatortombstone: "it makes the BNP the least anti-semitic group in the UK by default."

I had to read that several times. So a certain degree of ant-Semitism is acceptable then? That's appalling.
You don't have to vote you know.
One thing for sure...major civil unrest is inevitable. Even perhaps civil war.

KM, giving that you're aware that I'm Jewish, I consider your remark offensive. But I accept it as par for the course from BNP supporters. And before you mention it, living in Israel does not excuse you. Claiming to support Israel, while simultaneously supporting Nick "Holohoax" Griffin and the BNP, is hypocrisy at its worst.

As for your claim regarding Jewish OAPs and the Cologne mosque, care to post a link? The only local Jewish OAP that I am aware of is author and Holocaust survivor Ralph Giordano. While being thoroughly opposed to the building of the mosque, he rightly dismisses the Pro-Koeln group and its spin-off party Pro-NRW as merely “the local variant of contemporary National Socialism.”

He has a point. Pro-NRW leader Markus Beisicht was a member of the Repulikaner party (REP), Germany’s closet neo-Nazis of the 1990s, who were led by former SS man Franz Schoenhuber.

Manfred Rouhs, Beisicht’s right-hand man in Pro-Koeln, was formerly in the NPD, another German party long renowned for its anti-Semitism and neo-Nazi leanings.

Meanwhile, Gunther Kissel, a businessman prominent among pro-Koeln’s financial supporters, has long been associated with far-right causes, and once invited the notorious Holocaust denier David Irving to speak at his business premises.

(By the way, KM, you’re not alone in your hypocrisy. Gunther Kissel, while financing opposition to the building of the Cologne mosque, owns a construction company that was in charge of building of the contentious Central Mosque in the heavily-Islamised Duisburg suburb of Marxloh. Perhaps he’s just angry that his firm didn’t win the Cologne contract?)

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,526225,00.html

Johndoe wrote: I had to read that several times. So a certain degree of ant-Semitism is acceptable then? That's appalling.
You don't have to vote you know.
One thing for sure...major civil unrest is inevitable. Even perhaps civil war.

I do not find anti-semitism any more acceptable than I do islam, jihad, or mass-immigration of barbarian hostiles, and everything else the major parties in the UK stand for.

However, in the name of pragmatism, being a white male and therefore despised by the British elite, I would vote for the one party that openly defends my interests and survivial.

Thankfully, for me it is only a hypotehtical question and not a situation I will ever have to face.

I would love it if anti-jihad, pro-western civilization Britons could form an alternative party on that platform and embrace all who share their views regardless of race or religion. But until that happens, what other choice is there?

Not voting only aids the jihad.

Metamoros

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/anti-islamisati.html

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/09/21/jewish-member-of-pro-cologne-beaten-up-by-pro-islam-thugs/#comment-85303

There are many more follow the links in the reports.

You may call my stance hypocritical but I am not alone there are many like me. It may not fit to your ideologically pure stance but I stand by what I have always said.

In order to stop Islam in Europe the nationalist groups must become an effective opposition, it is not necessary for them to be in power.

I have yet to hear one solution from you. Just out of interest who do you vote for and why do you think they will do something to stop the jihad.

senatortombstone: "if anti-jihad, pro-western civilization Britons could form an alternative party on that platform and embrace all who share their views regardless of race or religion."

I agree..that is what is needed urgently.

Matamoros forgot to add the guys name in Pro Cologne is Michael Kucherov

This site condemns radical Islam as a threat to modern western liberal democracy. I agree that we must respond to the assault on the values we hold and freedoms we enjoy. However, to see this threat coming from elements of the Islamic faith, and justly condemn it, while at the same time neglecting the threat posed by such groups as the British National Party (BNP) is:
(i)to give credence to yet another form of extremism;
(ii)to fuel the hatred and hostility of radical Islamists (as well as other sections of society) and
(iii) undermines the very foundation of the democratic process the majority believe in.

In the BNP's pernicious ideology, no matter how much they dress their beliefs with cloaks of respectability, if a person is non-white and/or non-British they have no value nor rights.
Their virulent and poisonous doctrines are a mirror of the Nazi belief in the one superior race – the white coloured one! In their world-view there is no place for the accommodation of anyone who does not agree with their noxious values. To support such a party as the BNP is tantamount to rejecting the very principles of the democratic system we cherish.

Unfortunately the lack of moral values, the failed policy of multi-culturalism, the decline of the family and other social ills, the failure to deal with radical Islam and the individualistic-centric nature of post-modern British culture have all contributed to the rise of the BNP. Fortunately the rise in support for the BNP is more in protest, rather than wholehearted endorsement. Yet it is alarming to see so many people apparently agreeing with their policies. The BNP is very clever in the rhetoric it now uses. Its public face is meant to show that it is a respectable and democratic political party. However, underpinning their rhetoric is a 21st century version of Nazi ideology.

Such quotes as:
'I would suggest that much of what has been said about the BNP is due to fear-mongering'
'the BNP is becoming the only established political arm to counter the Islamists in Britain'
'The BNP is the last resort of any Brit who values that which the liberal parties hate'
'I see many that are voting BNP, and to be honest none of them sounded racist in any way'
are alarming, with respect to those who have posted such opinions, because they appear to discount the reality of what the BNP actually are, and lack hope in any real alternative. Would those of us, no matter how disenchanted, or demoralised we are with the challenges facing our democracy, wish to replace it with the equivalent of Nazism? Would the extremism this site is dedicated to exposing ever be defeated by another equally valid form of extremism?

I care very much about the society I live in. I also care deeply about the people who make up that society. I am totally opposed to any form of extremism and intolerance. That's why I follow this website. I admit to being 'left of centre' in my political views. However, that does not make me some kind of 'bleeding heart liberal' who is prepared to accept the devaluing and ruination of the democratic principles I believe in. Foremost is the acceptance of people regardless of the colour of their skin. So long as someone is prepared to agree with, and live peacefully with, our democratic system I have no problem in accepting them no matter what their ethnicity is or their religious faith is. Those who seek to wreck our democracy, and substitute it with another model (fundamental Islam etc), I see them as a very real and dangerous threat which must be countered. I honestly feel the answer lies not with other forms of extremism.

JD

We here at J.W. have been shouting from the hill top, some of us for nearly a decade, to try and avoid all of this. Robert has devoted his life in an attempt to avoid this, and what thanks has he gotten from the Islamic community, or from the jackals on the left? The fact is that nobody listened. I hate to say it, but it is 10 minutes to midnight. To quote myself on this subject from over the years, and I paraphrase, “Robert is fighting the good fight valiantly, I wish him God speed, but it appears he will not win.” I really hate to say it in this case, but I told ya so. We can cry in our beer all we want.

Matamoros, I couldn't find a photo of Nick Griffith to compare with the photo you linked that you say shows him standing with David Duke. I searched Google Images and couldn't come up with one. I don't know Nick Griffith from Adam so I can't verify the photo you claim is really him. Plus, that "European American Unity and Rights Conference" seems to be only referenced by David Duke's site and another site called "Stormfront". Googling "European American Unity and Rights Conference" yielded me only 3 hits! Out of all the millions of sites on Google, to only get 3 hits about an important anti-Semitic conference seems awfully strange.

Those who seek to wreck our democracy, and substitute it with another model (fundamental Islam etc), I see them as a very real and dangerous threat which must be countered. I honestly feel the answer lies not with other forms of extremism.

Posted by: JD at September 21, 2008 1:33 PM

and to Matamoron: keep waiting as you pay your jizya to the Islamic government once called England and your female children are fitted with Islamic headpieces.

I note the usual morons have been let out on day release.

Senatortombstone:

"Thankfully, for me it is only a hypotehtical question and not a situation I will ever have to face."

So, are we to surmise from that sentence that you're not British, or not eligible to vote in the UK? And, in addition, that you know little or nothing about the BNP, apart from the sanitised propaganda posted in the JW comments by its activists and supporters? And that you would still happily voice support for it, notwithstanding its anti-Semitism and racial bigotry? Bigotry, by the way, that extends to all immigrants and non-whites, not just Muslims, but even to white, Christian, Eastern Europeans.

By the way, the party's not very keen on Americans either. Given the repeated prominence in JW's comments section of accusations that "Europeans" are all anti-American, howabout this gem from the BNP's 2005 election manifesto:

"We are utterly opposed to attempts by American imperialists, the Zionist lobby, the neo-con movement and the US's British puppets in the Labour and Tory parties to drag us into a ‘Clash of Civilisations' with the Islamic world.

This comes from a manifesto published just before May 2005. In other words, nearly four years after 9/11, after Bali, after Madrid, after Beslan, and after countless calls for jihad against the West by Islamist hate preachers, here is the BNP claiming that it is America and “the Jews” leading the world into a war with Islam, instead of the other way round.

I have yet to hear one solution from you. Just out of interest who do you vote for and why do you think they will do something to stop the jihad.
Posted by: km at September 21, 2008 1:11 PM

However, one question that is worth asking UK (United Kingdom or Ummah Kaliphate?) posters is - who are you going to vote for, and how will that vote contribute to arresting the spread of shariah in your country? Granted, similar questions could be asked of people in the US, although since no state afaik has any ballot propositions advocating Shariah law, it's somewhat less relevant here. [In the past, I've seen some posters (Interested, Animus) suggest the UK Independence Party: I've visited their site, but never seen any evidence, even implicit, that they are anti-Islamic, or even anti-Islamist/radical Islamic/Jihad/______ (fill in your PC terms for avoiding direct mention of Islam).]

Denver Rodeo:

I don't know Nick Griffith from Adam so I can't verify the photo you claim is really him.

So, what you’re suggesting is that a photo of a man that you have never seen, and wouldn’t recognise from Adam, may not in fact be of that man? But if you’ve never seen him how would…. never mind. KM, or any of the Griffin groupies, care to confirm for Denver that the fellow on the second left of that picture linked to in my first post, the smiling chap clasping hands with David Duke, really is NG? (and please don’t lie, or I’ll find a version with a caption).

Plus, that "European American Unity and Rights Conference" seems to be only referenced by David Duke's site and another site called "Stormfront". Googling "European American Unity and Rights Conference" yielded me only 3 hits!

I’m not surprised if you limit it to that exact phrase with the “ “ marks. David Duke’s organisation is actually the European-American Unity and Rights Organization (EURO). I usually use Yahoo myself, but using Google I was able to get 3,300 hits for that phrase, even when using the quote marks to limit the search criteria. Using that exact search, with the word “conference” added but not in quote marks, got me 1,080.

Not actually sure what the point of your post was, apart from to claim that was I somehow being dishonest?

Infidel Pride-

Short answer? : It doesn't matter which of the main parties we vote for, we're still screwed by virtue of almost 80% of our legislation being drawn in Brussels by a bunch of unelected and unaccountable idiots hell bent on destroying the very notion of the individual nation state within its borders. Tory, Labour, Monster Raving Loonie Party, they are all still held to treaties made under this and previous governments.

UKIP policy is geared toward a complete withdrawal from the EU and a reassertion of our sovereign status within the political sphere. This is exactly what I believe we need before we can start to fix the problems here: Complete autonomy to put things right and the option of telling the EU to kiss our collective arses if they don't like it. UKIP have the right idea and I like a lot of what they have to say, but they're too much a fringe group to be effective as anything other than an option for a protest vote.

As I said, vote Tory or Labour and you're still voting for the EU. They may talk a little tougher on the Conservative benches, but that lot are most certainly 'Conservative Lite'. As Melanie Phillips once put it, these Conservatives have made such a fuss over fighting for the mythical, political holy grail of the 'Middle Ground' that they haven't stopped to notice that the so called middle ground is now so far over to the left, they're all fighting for varying degrees of leftist governance. Churchill would have had them flogged, I'm sure.

As pessimistic as this sounds, I don't think any of them are goint to get a grip until there's a massive flare up in our society. If there's no one to step up to the plate and do what has to be done by then, it's going to get ugly.

If we were to apply the same standards to US politics we would have to reject both the republican and democrat parties. Obama's party for his support of rev Wright's racist church, and McCain's party for his association with the racist group La Raza. And we won't even get into campaign contributors and junior members (such as senators with KKK backgrounds). But then we don't hold them to the same standards, do we.

This inane hatred of the BNP is a symptom of great childishness and reduces you to useful idiots for the leftists. The BNP isn't perfect, but *no* political party is. But they and their allies are the only ones to oppose the genocide and displacement of white Europeans.

One thing every adult knows is that you rarely have perfect options to choose from. -There will never be a political party that stands for all the 'right' things and associates itself with no bad people. And even if there were it would still attract nazis because of its patriotism, and the MSM would denounce it as a nazi party. We have already seen this with several smaller parties in the west. The BNP does not call for the extermination or oppression of anyone. If you think a vote for the BNP and the like is a vote for a new holocaust you are utterly clueless. The simple reality today is that every political party apart from BNP, VB and the like openly support anti-white groups and have already made natives second-rate citizens of their own countries.

You may not like the BNP. But you are still fools to oppose them. You won't ingratiate yourselves with the media. They will simply point to your opposition as proof that the BNP *and their political views* are racist. And again we have already seen examples of this. And the media will then use the common view that the BNP is racist to denounce anyone else who opposes islam.
Thus you only serve to undermine any resistance to the islamic takeover.

Here's a hint for you: How often do you see leftist groups opposing and denouncing their more extreme allies? Quite rarely for the simple reason that they recognize that an attack on one of them also damages everyone who can be associated with them through their political views. By denouncing your fellow patriots as racist for whatever flimsy reason (VB Celtic crosses anyone) the MSM digs up you make it easier for the MSM to portray any patriotism as racism.

Some of you may remember Churchill. That last, great man in the west. He once spoke thus of the need to cooperate with people (Soviets) he didn't care for to defeat a common foe:
"If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
If you don't care for the people who are actually doing something to oppose islam and the leftists, then at least have the brains to keep it to yourselves. By all these moronic attacks on your would-be allies you only weaken any and all opposition to islam.

If you want to be respected by the mainstream you should give up any anti-islamic efforts. The whole problem is that people don't grasp the threat facing them. Anyone opposing islam or mass migrations will be denounced as racist. Anyone doing so will find himself supported by unsavoury people. And the media will use those unsavoury people to smear anyone opposing islam.

King Arthur isn't coming back on a white stallion to save us. If you intend to wait for a political party that is entirely PC, except for opposition to the takeover of the west, don't hold your breath. Such a party will never exist. Start such a party today and you will find a media expose on a member with 'nazi' ties tomorrow. Grow up already, and judge political parties by their politics and not the smear-jobs perpetrated by their opponents in the media.

We can vote for people who will destroy us or we can vote for people who oppose our destruction. There is no third alternative of voting for perfect people. And not voting is effectively a vote for the status quo. On the other hand by voting for the BNP and similar parties you make it more likely that other parties adopt their views on mass migration as a means to gain votes. And sometime in the future European patriotism might again be an accepted norm.

I and anyone else who truly cares about saving the west support the BNP wholeheartedly. Grownups have to deal with reality and not some utopian dream of perfect people who will save us.

When we are all old and grey men, what sort of world do we want to see? A muslim west where our people are treated as minorities are in the muslim world today? Will you see your granddaughters kidnapped and raped? And will you then proudly proclaim that at least you didn't vote for the BNP? If you prefer that to the alternative of voting for patriots (whoever they are) you really are a contemptible scumbag of the worst sort.

I have been in a conversation with some second generation Muslims of Egyptian origin on another forum. I can not get anyone to admit that the Orthodox interpretation of Islamic scripture and tradition in Egypt, which establishes an apartheid state with the Copts, is an extremist concept. Muslims call me a religious supremacist for binging it up. The leftists on the site frequently harass me as being racist. I stand my ground, and politely point out the scripture, and traditions used to support said discrimination. To this point it appears to be a fruitless battle. How can you even talk with these people they are just so Bizarro World. Choices are running thin. Just save your Nation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World

LastNorwegian-

Oh, marvellous imagery. The only way we can avoid this apocalyptic destiny is to vote bloody BNP.

Funny how the history books explicitly 'don't' tell us that all of our soldiers had to find themselves someone to feel good about voting for, before they could all trot off to fight WWII.

I can just see it now:

"Infidel..... We've come to kidnap and rape your granddaughters........What?....You voted BNP?....... So sorry to have bothered you sir....... Have a nice day"

Matamoros,

"So, what you’re suggesting is that a photo of a man that you have never seen, and wouldn’t recognise from Adam, may not in fact be of that man? But if you’ve never seen him how would…. never mind."

What's so hard about understanding that if you've never seen a man, you can't know if a photo of him is really him?

"Plus, that "European American Unity and Rights Conference" seems to be only referenced by David Duke's site and another site called "Stormfront". Googling "European American Unity and Rights Conference" yielded me only 3 hits!"

"I’m not surprised if you limit it to that exact phrase with the “ “ marks."

If you don't limit with quote marks, you get thousands of irrelevant sites that only contain one or more words of your search. Anyway, you're the one who provided the term "European American Unity and Rights Conference" so it's either accurate verbatim, or it's not.

"Not actually sure what the point of your post was, apart from to claim that was I somehow being dishonest? "

My point is that I have noticed too often when people start bringing evidence against people they claim are fascist or white power, that evidence fizzles out when you try to track it down. Case in point, that BNP manifesto quote you provided:

"We are utterly opposed to attempts by American imperialists, the Zionist lobby, the neo-con movement and the US's British puppets in the Labour and Tory parties to drag us into a ‘Clash of Civilisations' with the Islamic world.

When I Googled various parts of that quote using quote marks to bracket it (which should have to work since it's supposed to be a quote right?), I seem to come up with other anti-BNP websites who got it from somewhere else, but nobody referencing it to a primary source. You'd think that by now the anti-BNP people would have gotten their shit together and got all the credible, verifiable citations together in one place for all to see and verify. It's not rocket science, and the BNP aren't some Lost Civilization of Atlantis.

People here are quite rightly concerned about anti-semitism.

It goes without saying, that any such remarks by anyone in the BNP should be condemned in the strongest terms.

But let's not forget, at the last general election, the Labour party had a poster that depicted 2 leading Jewish MPs as pigs.

The Nazis preferred to compare them with rats, but pigs are equally offensive

They're not stupid and had obviously done the maths, figuring this would appeal to a certain section of the electorate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4217009.stm

If the BNP had done this, they'd have been up in court on a charge of inciting racial hatred. Indeed, someone mentioned Nick Griffin's trial, where he was facing up to 7 years in prison for saying islam was a "vile" ideology.

But showing Jews as pigs? well that's just fine isn't it.

And that's one of the problem with British politics; the sheer staggering hypocrisy of this Labour government and it's Marxist allies.

I can't tell the British people what to do, and I don't know enough about British politics and the BNP to make concrete judgments, but I know this...

All politicians are leaches.

There are two kinds of these leaches.

Political leaches who attempt, or do, suck the blood of the people.

And political leaches who attempt to, or do, clean the infectious material out of the wound so healing can take place.

When healing leaches are done with their work, they are removed by the Doctor.

In this example, the British authorities are acting as the blood sucking leaches. Clinging and hanging on. They are not doing the job of removing invasive organisms because they are suckers not removers.
The doctor cannot remove these leaches. Citizens must do it.

To do that, citizens must elect leaches that will
stop the invasive infection and restore health to the tissue.

It would seem that many trust the BNP to stop the invasion, but not restore health to the tissue, and morph into their own form of blood sucking parasite.

It would then be time for the citizens to get rid of them as well. A healthy tissue has no need of leaches...But sometimes it is in need of a good scrubbing...Good luck British kufrs...It's an uphill battle BNP or no BNP...but I have confidence you will win it...

We here in the US have some leach removing to do ourselves...

duh_swami

That was beautiful.

"We are utterly opposed to attempts by American imperialists, the Zionist lobby, the neo-con movement and the US's British puppets in the Labour and Tory parties to drag us into a ‘Clash of Civilisations' with the Islamic world.

This quote actually was in the BNP website, under manifestos at the time. It's not there now - all they have is their 2007 manifesto. Go to web.archive.org, then enter the BNP website and then look at any version of the site in 2006. You will probably find it under 'Policies and Manifestos'. Also, the photo that Matamoros referenced is indeed Griffen - go to the BNP website, and you'll find him, and what he looks like.

From Wishbone's response above, looks like mass-suicide seems the only option for the Brits. Sounds like "Slit my throat if you must, but please don't call me a racist."

We can vote for people who will destroy us or we can vote for people who oppose our destruction. There is no third alternative of voting for perfect people. And not voting is effectively a vote for the status quo. On the other hand by voting for the BNP and similar parties you make it more likely that other parties adopt their views on mass migration as a means to gain votes. And sometime in the future European patriotism might again be an accepted norm.

Posted by: LastNorwegian [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2008 3:19 PM

Probably the most sensible paragraph of the evening. And it is the simple logic of it and its knee jerk rejection by the likes of Matamoros that just makes me suspicious of his/her motives.

There is never an attempt to debate the issue and there is most assuredly no alternative solution ever offered. Its just straight to the mud slinging and nazi brick bats.

A good example of the truth inherent in LastNorwegians statement is this Guardian CiF thread from today.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/21/labourconference.immigrationpolicy?showallcomments=true

The high priests of the multicult in the UK are acutely aware of the political gains made by Nationalists and are now opening up the debate. I can assure you this debate would not have happened even just a year ago on the pages of the Guardian but its almost a daily occurrence now as they try to salvage their flawed ideology and claw back lost votes.

The approach I am advocating does have immediate and tangible results. I think it would be unwise to stop now because some peoples delicate sensibilities are offended.

"We are utterly opposed to attempts by American imperialists, the Zionist lobby, the neo-con movement and the US's British puppets in the Labour and Tory parties to drag us into a ‘Clash of Civilisations' with the Islamic world.

That quote you could pretty much attribute to any EUrabian ruling party, of which the majority is socialist. Is it from the BNP? I don't know. But one thing I know: if we wanna get anywhere whith this anti-Islam, anti-Muhammedan invasion thing, we need every swinging dick on deck instead of cannibalizing each other.

Is there any war that has ever been fought without alliances?

duh_swami-

Let's not forget those political leaches that feed upon the fears of an uncertain populace to further what is, at best, a dodgy agenda.

Infidel Pride-

Now who's being a pessimist? My reply was based on the political aspect of circumstances as I see them. In no way did I state that politics to suit our agenda were the 'only' means of turning the tide. How long do you think the people of a nation will sit still, especially if some of the events people here seem to think are just around the corner come to pass?

If it ever transpires that our government lose their grip on the people of this nation, things are really going to get messy.

Let’s not forget who the enemy is. He will be raping and pillaging soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQLpG5b18pk&feature=related

"From the Yankee perspective all of this talk about who is "bad" and who is "good" is a mute point..." --ethoman

ethoman - I couldn't help but notice your malapropism. It's not "mute point," but "moot point." Look up "malapropism." Hopefully you won't make that mistake again.

thanks Darcy

km,

"There is never an attempt to debate the issue and there is most assuredly no alternative solution ever offered. Its just straight to the mud slinging and nazi brick bats."

Seems so: I can see the mental gears working in some of these comments above, the same gears that seem to be motivating all those passionate Leftist counter-demonstrators in Cologne who are after all only doing the "right thing" by violently opposing those people of the "racist" pro-Koln group. It's sad that such people are among us, frankly.

Infidel Pride,

Thanks for the info, but it sure sounds elaborate to track down all that. My point was why is it so hard to pin down this info? You'd think the anti-BNP people would have gathered it all up at one site, like the Anti-CAIR site does for CAIR.

Who knows what the outcome of the next British election will be? All I know is, "desperate times call for desperate measures". And the situation in the UK is pretty damn desperate right now.

Posted by: wallyUK

People from ethnic minorities have stopped posting on Jihad/Dhimmiwatch before now because of the presence of BNP supporters.

Well thats rather pathetic of these people of ethnic minorities,if they are more concerned of the presence of BNP supporters, than the real threat of Islam.

What is very frightening is the presence of Searchlight infiltrators wo rarely comment until BNP is mentioned

Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist because they have been mis-educated and de-educated by the British schooling. Muslim children are confused because they are being educated in a wrong place at a wrong time in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. They face lots of problems of growing up in two distinctive cultural traditions and value systems, which may come into conflict over issues such as the role of women in the society, and adherence to religious and cultural traditions. The conflicting demands made by home and schools on behaviour, loyalties and obligations can be a source of psychological conflict and tension in Muslim youngsters. There are also the issues of racial prejudice and discrimination to deal with, in education and employment. They have been victim of racism and bullying in all walks of life. According to DCSF, 56% of Pakistanis and 54% of Bangladeshi children has been victims of bullies. The first wave of Muslim migrants were happy to send their children to state schools, thinking their children would get a much better education. Than little by little, the overt and covert discrimination in the system turned them off. There are fifteen areas where Muslim parents find themselves offended by state schools.

The right to education in one’s own comfort zone is a fundamental and inalienable human right that should be available to all people irrespective of their ethnicity or religious background. Schools do not belong to state, they belong to parents. It is the parents’ choice to have faith schools for their children. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim teacher or a child in a Muslim school. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools. An ICM Poll of British Muslims showed that nearly half wanted their children to attend Muslim schools. There are only 143 Muslim schools. A state funded Muslim school in Birmingham has 220 pupils and more than 1000 applicants chasing just 60.

Majority of anti-Muslim stories are not about terrorism but about Muslim culture--the hijab, Muslim schools, family life and religiosity. Muslims in the west ought to be recognised as a western community, not as an alien culture.
Iftikhar Ahmad
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

Iftikhar-

All you're doing is underlining the reasons why we native born Brits are so pissed off with Muslims.

You sit there and tell me that Muslims are 'offended' by things Brits regard as the natural order and demand that 'we' change in order to suit you. Two million Muslims versus nearly sixty million non-Muslims and you're saying that we should regard you as a distinct culture, when you refuse to recognise that the nation you live in has a culture of its own, a culture which doesn't like being told to change the natural order of things?

We in this nation have lived this way for a long time. We're fed up of being told that the way we live 'offends' Muslims. It's 'our' way of life. Should you not like that, you're always welcome to go and find another country to live in that better reflects the way 'you' wish to live.

I'm sorry, Iftikhar, but the constant whining, the incessant demands for accomodation; the deafening silence and complicity from Muslim communities in the face of atrocities carried out in their name and the name of the religion which guides them; the never ending barriers that Muslim communities throw around themselves in order to stagnate any possibility of cultural integration........

I swear, Iftikhar, your communities are going to become nothing more than isolated ghettos, surrounded by a hostile populace, absolutely fed up to the back teeth of the constant irritation that you represent.

I hope you're proud of that.