There are crazy people who kill their families all the time. Christians, Hindus, Druids, whatever. Heck, most murders are committed by someone who knows the victims well.
Those things are indisputably true. It is also indisputably true that Islamic law is unique in giving divine sanction to certain kinds of abuse of women and children.
"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great." -- Qur'an 4:34
And...
A manual of Islamic law certified by Al-Azhar as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy says that "retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right." However, "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).
In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law.
It is the job, or it should be the job, of Muslims in the U.S. who profess to embrace Western values and pluralism, and to reject Islamic supremacism, to teach against the attitudes that lead to this kind of thing. In any other context this would be axiomatic: womens' rights advocates in the West have fought long and hard against certain Western cultural attitudes that they have linked to the abuse of women. But when it comes to Islamic cultural attitudes that may lead to such abuse, and particularly to Islamic cultural attitudes that are linked to Islamic teaching, those same womens' rights advocates grow curiously silent.
Welcome to the New Multicultural Midwest: "Man throws wife, daughter out window in south St. Louis," from KMOV.com, October 18 (thanks to Paul):
St. Louis (KMOV) -- Police said late Saturday afternoon a 51-year-old man living with his family in a second floor apartment threw his wife and their 13-year-old daughter out the window.The second floor apartment, located across the street from the Bevo Mill restaurant in south St. Louis, is nearly 17-feet above the sidewalk.
The woman and her daughter are in stable condition. A witness said the mother seemed almost in shock and the daughter was bleeding profusely.
The family is from Afghanistan and police said the father spoke little or no English. Other family members acted as interpreters....
Now there will be an expensive trial, and an expensive incarceration. And then he will be let out, presumably to go back to being the paterfamilias of this menage, and if he was scarcely employable before, at 51 knowing almost no English, he will be almost certainly unemployable now. And his wife and child will go on the dole, no doubt. Who decided it would make sense to bring this unintegrable family to the United States, and impose it -- and hundreds of thousands of others, also animated by Islam, with the ways that flatly contradict our ways, but ways that are not given up, for the hold of Islam over the minds of its adherents is very strong, and they remain convinced that they, the Believers, are right, and we, the Infidels, are wrong, and it is their duty to change our ways, to undo our legal and political institutions, so that the United States is safe for Sharia, safe for Islam, and not for such transient reflections of what mere mortals have adopted, such as the American Constitution.
Who decides how such people, swelling the ranks of those who must be supported, who must be monitored, who encourage Da'wa, and swell the ranks of Muslims, who then exult in their power, and what they regard as their inexorable future triumph, and even if that triumph does not come, a great deal of unpleasantness, expense, and physical insecurity is the natural result, for Infidels anywhere, of a large-scale presence of Muslims in their midst. This has been demonstrated everywhere. It has been shown to be false nowhere. Are we to ignore forever the evidence of our senses, including the sense of sight that allows us to read the canonical texts ourselves, and see what Muslims are taught, and what they take in, what so many of them devoutly believe?
When will we have an immigration policy that protects the citizens of this country from sociopath killers like this guy?
Not under an Obama administration.
Hmmm.. no mention of Islam. That is a problem b/c it wasn't just a killing. It was a killing influenced by a religion- Islam. This is an important piece left out by the media out of fear of offending Muslims.
Not under an Obama administration.
Posted by: tanstaafl
...The Obama administration will appease Muslims. I couldn't agree with you more. However, McCain's immigration policy's aren't much different than Obamas. Unfortunately, Obama lacks the OBLIGATED and needed foreign policy experience that this country needs during our war with radical Islamic terrorism.
I hate to say it, but another terrorist attack on our country would make these Obama supporters and people alike seriously re-evaluate their opinions. And this terrorist attack will be a lot closer under an Obama administration.
Again, Americans can thank their POTUS/Chief-Executive-Branch, for opening the borders while punishing border patrol agents for doing their duty. And of course, same POTUS was re-elected to shove 'amnesty' down American's throats, while refugees go around robbing, murdering and raping Americans.
Thank you, POTUS for the 'jobs Americans do not do' and 'family-ties' lies.
Hugh, you assume there will be a trial! After her family gets done explaining to her just what will happen if she proceeds with the charges, they will have her saying that her daughter tried to jump out the window and she was just trying to save her!
As I recall, St. Louis is where the Muslim teen was killed while the FBI was dropping eaves on the whole thing while surveilling Daddy's jihad bidness.
Musalman says-
"Hmmm.. no mention of Islam."
I love the way you just automatically assume an illiterate Afghani who throws his wife and daughter out the window is a Muslim. As a matter of fact I assumed he was a Quaker or a Catholic - since it was probably one of their charities that helped settle him here.
Aside from having absolutely no sense of humor (a dangerous trait), I'm chilled by how these Non-people, mostly the males, though I'm sure there's some passive-aggressive behaviour among the females of the species, don't even try to curb their tempers.
They are five year-olds in adult bodies. A five year-old's tantrums end in breakage of inanimate objects, sometimes. A Non-man's tantrums end in bodily harm to the first weaker being he lays his eyes upon.
Chances are, neither of his victims did anything to provoke him. It's just as likely as not that he hadn't gotten over his daily road-rage.
"In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law."
Irrelevant. This country's laws aren't based on Islamic law. Murder is murder. If Islamic law is used as a defense, then there (as if we needed it) is yet one more indication that being a Muslim makes one less capable (some HAVE made the adjustment) of living in a country that is NOT run on 14-century-old precepts.
If this man is let go, I shudder to think what that will mean for all Americans in the future.
The Bevo Mill area is where the minaret, complete with a loud speaker for prayers, is being constructed for a mosque that serves the large Bosnian community in St. Louis. The Bevo Mill Restaurant, which features a windmill complete with rotating blades, is a St. Louis landmark. Now the minaret will dwarf the windmill.
In the early 90s, St. Louis was rocked by the stabbing death of Palestina "Tina" Isa by her father's hands (he was an operative in the Abu Nidal terrorist organization). Phyllis Chesler has kept Tina's story alive.
"After her family gets done explaining to her just what will happen if she proceeds with the charges, they will have her saying that her daughter tried to jump out the window and she was just trying to save her!"
-posted above
There are witnesses, aren't there? A wife can't be forced to testify against her husband but what about the people who camed to her aid and the health care workers who came afterward? It's not just a case of he said, she said. There is evidence. If the woman wants to lie under oath then she will commit her own crime - perjury.
Why would any moslem woman even try to please the woman-hating "god" Allah? It is obvious that no matter what she does, she will go to the islamic hell if she can't please her men. Might as well grab a little happiness here.
3 words to sum up Hugh's post above:
a bottomless pit!
This story, a thousand or ten thousand other stories, about Muslims in the United States, their behavior, their inculcated attitudes, mean nothing. No, for the colin-powells of this world, who take the sentimentalism of our depraved politics ("and then there is Mary, who lives in Sioux City, Iowa and makes $13.42 an hour" or, Bush at one of his State-of-the-Union farces, pointing to an Iraqi woman, who had been deliberately seated next to the parents of a Marine killed in Iraq, who is asked to stand up and acknowledge the applause of the crowd, applause presumably due her because she is "an Iraqi woman" who has not tried to kill Americans, and may even support what they are doing, or think they are doing, in Iraq -- which makes her, of course, a hero), what counts is the flimsiest of anecdotal evidence.
In an interview yesterday, Powell reached new heights or depths (they are the same in this case) of anecdotal absurdity. He offered up this:
Powell:
"I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say, and it is permitted to be said. Such things as 'Well you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim.' Well the correct answer is 'He is not a Muslim, he's a Christian, he's always been a Christian.' But the really right answer is 'What if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country?' The answer is 'No. That's not America.' Is there something wrong with some 7-year old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she can be president? Yet I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion he's a Muslim and he might be associated with terrorists. This is not the way we should be doing it in America.
"I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo-essay about troops who were serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in you can see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards, Purple Heart, Bronze Star, showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then at the very top of the headstone, it didn't have a Christian cross, it didn't have a Star of David. It had a crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Karim Rashad Sultan Khan. And he was an American, he was born in New Jersey, he was 14 at the time of 9/11 and he waited until he can go serve his counrty and he gave his life."
So, on the basis of having seen a picture of a Muslim mother of a Muslim son who had been killed in Iraq, Colin Powell uses his (apparent) prestige to tell the interviewer, and all of America, that there is nothing wrong with Islam, nothing wrong with the ideology of Islam, nothing wrong with the idea of a Muslim president. His irresponsibility astounds. He once held high office. And though he never demonstrated any particular gifts, he acquired -- possibly because there had to be something good about him to focus on -- the reputation for "integrity." Apparently the gift to his wife of a Jaguar from Prince Bandar, his tennis partner, who was recently revealed in Great Britain to have been the recipient of up to $2 billion in kickbacks from a British aerospace company, and who was famous for distributing his largesse to powerful people in Washington, did nothing to modify this reputation fro "integrity." It would be useful to know, by the way, whether Colin Powell has been on the Arab lecture-circuit, the way so many others among our high and mighty have been, picking up, for a single lecture, a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, even a million dollars (if you are Bill Clinton, or the first George Bush). But palling around with an obvious fixer and influence-pedddler who worked on behalf of a sinister ruling family of a most sinister country, Saudi Arabia, befriending him, becoming his tennis-partner, says a lot about Colin Powell's judgement, none of it good.
But in his off-hand remarks In Defense Of Islam --remarks based on his having seen a photograph of a mother mourning her son, demonstrates what is so wrong with so many of our high and mighty, who presume to instruct and protect us. What does that photograph tell us? It tells us nothing at all about what Islam inculcates. Unless Colin Powell has studied the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, unless he has read the Qur'anic commentators, and such influential people at present as Qaradawi and Tantawi, he knows nothing about Islam, and has a duty not to make pronouncements as if he does. The dead soldier was, it appears, one of a very few Muslims who joined up. Indeed, there have been widespread reports of how the handful of Muslim (not Black Muslim) soldiers in the American and British armies have been subject to harrassment and threats and even, in Great Britain, plots, by fellow Muslims, outraged that they would behave in so un-Islamic a fashion, and dare to join an Infidel army to "fight against Muslims." Is Colin Powell aware of how few Muslims are in the army, the Reserves, the National Guard? Is he aware of how the few, like the soldier whose grieving mother at his gravestone apparently struck him so much that he felt it gave him the right to pontificate to the public at large about Islam -- he only has that right when he learns enough about Islam, and there are no signs, none, that he has been any more diligent or responsible in fulfilling that task than Bush, or a hundred others, at the top of the Washington heap, who have squanderered so many men, so much money, so much material, so much attention, so much time, in their insensate inability, or wilful refusal, to learn about the ideology -- the politics, the geopolitics -- of the Total Belief-System of Islam.
What Powelll did was a clear dereliction of duty. He baselessly, on the slimmest and most misleading of anecodotal evidence -- a glimpse of a grave and a griever that tugged at his heartstrings, but did not tell him anything about what the texts and tenets of Islam are all about, and why that particular grieving mother was, if she had no regrets about her son joining the American army, was as little representative of Musliims as her son was. That photograph had no larger significance, it said nothing about the texts, tenets, attitudes, and atmospherics of Islam. An intelligent observer would have understood this. A responsible observer, aware of his own ignorance of Islam, would never have dared to draw a conclusion, and impose that conclusion, on a presumably naive, and in some cases, far too respectful, audience.
Of course Powell is behaving just like those who sentimentalize everything, reducing issues to this or that "real life" individual who may, or may not, be a useful representative or guide. But the error in this case was particularly egregious, and the irresponsibility flabbergasting, and, given the dangers the Infidels everywhere face -- does Powell know what is going on in southern Thailand? Does he think about the Biafra War, or southern Sudan? What does he know about the treatment of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh? What does he know about the spending of a hundred billion dollars by the Saudis alone to spread Islam all over the globe, or what does he know about the present and certain future troubles, presented by no other group of immigrants, the result of the Muslim presence in Western Europe? He knows, I suspect, nothing of this. He's a big shot. He delivers lectures. He speaks slowly, and portentously. He has an air, some think (I don't) of "rectitude." We are expected to admire him, and to forgive this kind of negliglence -- a failure to perform due diligence in investigating the matter of Islam -- that does damage to the ignorant and the simple-minded, who may not recognize anecdotal evidence, or be able to see how misleading it is.
Why should we forgive Colin Powell? What's so wonderful, what has ever been so wonderful, about him? And when will he give back that Jaguar to Prince Bandar?
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Hmmm.. no mention of Islam. That is a problem b/c it wasn't just a killing. It was a killing influenced by a religion- Islam. This is an important piece left out by the media out of fear of offending Muslims.
Posted by: MusalMan at October 20, 2008 9:03 AM
Right. Ann Curry's reporting on the Fort Dix trial this morning, and it's "men" on trial, of course, certainly not "Muslim men." Can't mention that! Someone might assume that their religion, Islam, had something to do with the terrorist plot!
Maybe it's a cultural thing.
Perhaps defenestration of family members is widely practiced in Afghanistan.
Sure, that must be it.
Muslims are not here to participate as citizens in our culture. They are here to replace our culture with Islam. Islam is not a religion.
Hugh, thanks for posting CP's remarks. I heard one snippet of it on C-SPAN this morning and was astounded.
"Well the correct answer is 'He is not a Muslim, he's a Christian, he's always been a Christian.' But the really right answer is 'What if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country?' The answer is 'No. That's not America.' Is there something wrong with some 7-year old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she can be president?"
What if he is?
THEN WHY IS HE LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?
Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country?' The answer is 'No. That's not America.'
The correct answer is 'No. That's not America, so why was Jerome Corsi detained for investigating your actions in Kenya? Why is Barack Obama hiding anything from the people whom he seeks to lead? Why isn't his life an open book?'
People who act as if they have something to hide usually do.
I'm with Hugh on Colin Powell, whom I have long found underwhelming across the board. In this particular matter addressed by Hugh, Powell is quite typical of the elites in this country who have such an abysmal knowledge of Islam.
Wonder what it will take for Western elites to finally comprehend that Islam is spiritual fascism. The very real possibility exists that they'll never comprehend this, in which case the only hope left is for the common folk in one Western nation after another to once and for all discard the elites, throw the over-educated rubes out so to speak, and take over themselves. To put it mildly, this will be difficult. Meanwhile, Muslims continue to increase their numbers in Western countries and incidents similar to this one in St. Louis will occur again and again. The burden which is Islam continues unabated.
Hugh, thanks for posting CP's remarks. I heard one snippet of it on C-SPAN this morning and was astounded.
"Well the correct answer is 'He is not a Muslim, he's a Christian, he's always been a Christian.' But the really right answer is 'What if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country?' The answer is 'No. That's not America.' Is there something wrong with some 7-year old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she can be president?"
What if he is? --posted by PMK
Yes, "astounded" is the word. Esp. about the "M-A kid as President." It's so pukeworthy that there's not enough puke in the world to express the pukeworthiness of it. My God, we have a General who is a blithering, drooling imbecile.
The above words of Colin Powell have sent chills up my spine, and disgusted and revolted me. If I saw CP walking down the street today, which there's 100% chance I won't, I would walk up to him and say "You're a f****** moron."
I feel seriously depressed after hearing the words of the small intestine General - Colon Powell.
Actually, I realized something a little while ago.
We're already getting a Muslim-American President. Oh, the irony.
I know there are many who consider that to be, shall I say, hogwash (lol!) - however, there are just as many who consider Hussein of "my Muslim faith" slip on TV to be, if not an outright Mohammedan, then a Sympathizer. Without any doubt, a Sympathizer.
Yeah Darcy,
After this weekend's nonsense I think the U.S. is ready for a good old fashioned Colin cleanse. I would recommend Traditional Medicine's "Smooth Move" tea. If you are full of you-know-what, it will definitely clean you out. Considering that, Obama might want to stay far away from that stuff. One cup and he would probably disappear.
Hey, wait a minute...
I agree with Hugh and Wellington viz Powell's policies.
But he served his country honorably in combat so I think the potty names are a bit much.
Good job, Hugh! Were it only possible for YOU to sit down and have a little chit-chat with Colin Powell, not only so that you could educate this idiot on so many levels, but so that you could present him with a "Dhimmi of the Year" award; and if ever do sit down and talk to Colin, would you please give him a swift kick in the ass for me? Thank you.
"It is the job, or it should be the job, of Muslims in the U.S. who profess to embrace Western values and pluralism, and to reject Islamic supremacism, to teach against the attitudes that lead to this kind of thing."
That's like saying, after some Aryan Nation skinheads lynch a black guy--
"It is the job, or it should be the job, of Aryan Nation skinheads in the U.S. who profess to embrace Western values and pluralism, and to reject Aryan Hation supremcism, to teach against the attitudes that lead to this kind of thing."
See the utter worthlessness of that statement now?
Excellent point, DenverRodeo!
If the woman wants to lie under oath then she will commit her own crime - perjury.
Posted by: PMK [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 20, 2008 9:56 AM
pmk in her mind (imo) she would not be committing any crime in a western court because we and our courts are not based on sharia
No No Nooooo. You guys got it all wrong, these are peaceful folks. The Ct. Post even says so.
http://www.connpost.com/muslims/ci_10756612
http://www.connpost.com/muslims/ci_10757301
http://www.connpost.com/muslims/ci_10763879
I'm assuming this is going to be a week long series. What are they preparing us for? I wonder if they have a week for all religions? Somehow, I doubt it. Forgive me for not knowing, but, I haven't subscribed to the Post in years.
Good job, Hugh! Were it only possible for YOU to sit down and have a little chit-chat with Colin Powell, not only so that you could educate this idiot on so many levels, but so that you could present him with a "Dhimmi of the Year" award; and if ever do sit down and talk to Colin, would you please give him a swift kick in the ass for me? Thank you.
Posted by: champ at October 20, 2008 1:11 PM
Great post, champ, about small intestine Powell.
Brava! He deserves a "swift kick in the ass," as you said, and I wish YOU could do it!
Hey Colon - How's that Jaguar Prince Bandar bought your wife? It's running good? You TRAITOR.
Yeah Darcy,
After this weekend's nonsense I think the U.S. is ready for a good old fashioned Colin cleanse. --Isabellathecrusader
So exactly. He's a 21st century Benedict Arnold.
Brilliant.
Posted by: ISLAMSNOTFORME at October 20, 2008 2:49 PM
ISLAMSNOTFORME,
It doesn't matter what SHE thinks because, as you rightly say, our courts and law are not sharia. She is subject to OUR laws as long as she is HERE.
And so is the piece of garbage who tried to kill his own (and her) daughter.
Hey Darcy, I have a dirty ole pair of steel-toed hiking boots stored somewhere in our garage, so perhaps I'll have the opportunity to one day demonstrate an alternate use for them on our new Dhimmi of the Year; and I like how you misspelled Colin's name - very funny, LOL!
Hussein of "my Muslim faith"
by darcy
and of the "fifty-seven states"
Wonder what it will take for Western elites to finally comprehend that Islam is spiritual fascism.
Wellington,
It will take a lot. They will probably need to see their own neighborhood churches (which most never set foot in) destroyed before any of them even begin to see the light. Even then, I'm not sure they'd really care. Not even the National Cathedral's destruction wouldn't bother them.
Most of them think Americans "cling" to their religions and of course the elites have evolved beyond religion. To them, Islam is just another culture and they are the originators of multiculturalism. And anyway, what's the difference between religions? One is just as bad as another, right? You have your Christian extremists, your Jewish extremists, your Hindu extremists. So why pick on Islamic extremists? We all KNOW that most Muslims are peaceful.
The elites will go to their graves believing the rest of us are making something out of nothing, that we are "overreacting".
(ONLY 3,000 people, etc.)
Hey Darcy, I have a dirty ole pair of steel-toed hiking boots stored somewhere in our garage, so perhaps I'll have the opportunity to one day demonstrate an alternate use for them on our new Dhimmi of the Year; and I like how you misspelled Colin's name - very funny, LOL!
Posted by: champ at October 20, 2008 4:28 PM
Thanks, champ. But, not misspelled - on purpose. He's a waste dump.
Hussein of "my Muslim faith"
by darcy
and of the "fifty-seven states"
Posted by: PMK at October 20, 2008 4:30 PM
Right. That's Hussein, the Harvard Law School grad for you. "57 states" - it's unbelievable!
"Right. That's Hussein, the Harvard Law School grad for you. "57 states" - it's unbelievable!
Posted by: darcy "
Obama said he have campaigned in 57 states and still had two more to go..
Too bad he didn't self defenestrate too!
Darcy,
Your campaign points aren't winning over the undecided too well, to understate it a bit.
This sort of thing is actually bcoming increasingly common in Islamic countries. Meanwhile, Muslim women, being infinitely smarter than their excuses for "men", have invented a new use for their uniform. Tent, sleeping bag, trash liner, hankerchief...
Parachute.
So class, what have we learned today?
Nescessity is the mother of invention.
Misogyny is the father of Islam.
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
Since abortion is illegal under islam, that means killing a fetus is punishable, but if they wait till the baby is born and the father kill him/her, its all good. Talk about moral inversionism--sick!
Oh, wait a day or two. You heard it here first: It will be determined he "had a history of mental problems" (though nobody knew, since when he stays on his meds he's a perfectly delightful fellow; they'll say he was always an absolutely devoted husband, doting father, etc.) But, it'll turn out, wifey recently got "uppity" and was going to take the daughter and leave the delightful/devoted/doting husband alone to wash his own clothes, cook his own meals & clean his own house. I'll bet some neighbor will finally recall that the wife recently was yelling that "if you want to punch on somebody from now on it can be the cockroaches". So obviously in his distraught state he forgot his pills, and now this "unbelievable tragedy" has befallen the poor fellow.
He'll get 6 months in a psych ward with no recurrences and be declared "cured". Once released, he can import some 14-year old cousin as his new wife, and ... you know ... lather, rinse, repeat....
A_Nonny_Mouse...I hate to say that your are probably right, but you are probably right.
Darcy,
Your campaign points aren't winning over the undecided too well, to understate it a bit.
Posted by: MorrisMinor
Maybe there are no undecided. Anyone who is undecided at this point is absent anyway.
If Obama wins he will be elected by the willfully and deliberately uninformed.
The voter does not know of Obama's heavy baggage,
or they know but don't care,
or they are breath holding, purple lipped, oxygen deprived, Messiah seeking swooners, who will vote Barack no matter what...
Not a strong following, just a lot of weak people...
so true, A_Nonny_Mouse.
And PS, aren't mice "unclean" under Sharia law?
Let's review:
Mickey Mouse, Paul McCartney, Women's Rights, basic human decency, paternal love, true manhood=BAD
Murder, Paedophilia, Abuse=GOOD.
Reminds me of Animal Farm by George Orwell, doesn't it?
Under Sharia all humans are equal, but SOME human are MORE equal than others.
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
OMGLOL I just remembered!
The villians in Animal Farm are...
PIGS!!!
Is my subconcious trying to tell me something or WHAT?!?!??!
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
Undaunted,
I respect you and love your site, but consider this. Jack Murtha served, and he's also a traitor. John Kerry served, and he is a traitor as well. IMO just because someone may have served honorably in the past, doesn't mean they deserve respect when they subsequently do something dishonorable. Colin Powell is a DISGRACE to the uniform, and an ingrate as well as a traitor to the "Party of Lincoln".
Regards,
ABS
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