The comments by Councilman Steven Choi came at the close of a recent Chamber of Commerce election forum attended by the dozen candidates for Irvine office. Choi cautioned the audience of business and community leaders not to vote for a candidate who works for the Council on American-Islamic Relations – commonly known as CAIR – which he described as a "dangerous and Islamic organization."…"I was shocked to hear that a council candidate made those comments," Edah-Tally said. "I can see how this can create waves of division in the community" -- from this article
Does Issa Edah-Tally think that non-Muslims might be "shocked" to hear about, or read, what is contained in 9.29 and 9.5 of the Qur'an? Does he think they would be "shocked" to find out what is all over Sura 9, and in a hundred other places in the Qur'an, believed by Muslims to be the literal and immutable Word of God?
Does Issa Edah-Tally think that non-Muslims might be "shocked" to find out what is contained in the Hadith, the Hadith assigned a high rank of authenticity, in the most authoritative (Sahih) compilations by the most respected muhaddithin, such as Bukhari and Muslim?
Does Issa Edah-Tally think that the figure of Muhammad, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil, the Perfect Man according to Muslims, will forever be immune from study and criticism by non-Muslims? Non-Muslims, he must know, will be shocked indeed to find out about Muhammad's pleasure at the decapitation of the hundreds of bound prisoners of the Banu Qurayza, his attack on the inoffensive Jewish farmers of the Khaybar Oasis so as to help himself and his followers to women and to loot (and the razzia, or raiding party, on non-Muslims later became enshrined in the Jizyah, the tax on non-Muslims that supported the Muslim state), his delight in the murders of Abu Afak and Asma bint Marwan, murdered because of a satirical verse she dared to write about Muhammad.
Does Issa Edah-Tally think that all of this, such as Muhammad’s "marriage" to little Aisha when she was nine years old -- which is a Model for All Time for Muslims – will remain secret forever? Does he think that no Infidels know that Khomeini's first act, or close to it, was to reduce the legal marriageable age of girls in Iran to nine years? (For after all, that was the age of the last wife of Muhammad, the Perfect Man, when he married her.) Does Issa Edah-Tally think that all this and so much more will remain forever unknown to Infidels, when it is all -- all of it-- just a click away at a thousand websites, neatly laid out?
How long do Muslims think they can continue to hide from non-Muslims what is in the texts --- Qur'an, Hadith, Sira? How long do Muslims think they can continue to hide from non-Muslims also the history of Muslim conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims, a history that extends in time over 1350 years and in space from Spain to the East Indies? How long do they think they can avoid confronting Jihad directly? How long will bemused Infidels allow them to avoid daring to face, or even allude to, the issue of dhimmitude, as experienced by Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and even Hindus, over those 1350 years of Muslim subjugation. How long will Infidels allow Muslims to avoid the question of why no majority-Muslim state permits full freedom of religion, including the right of Muslims to abandon their religion for another faith, or no faith at all -- surely the most essential right if freedom of conscience is to mean anything?
Do Muslims think that they can continue indefinitely to get away with using Arab money to buy up academic centers, or found new ones? (See Esposito, John, and the Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University.) Do they think that we will continue to listen to the apologists and propagandists, Muslim and non-Muslim, for Islam, who now make up about three-quarters of the members of MESA, or MESA Nostra, as it is known more and more? (For more about "MESA Nostra," see here.)
How long do they think they can get away with this, especially as we can look across the Atlantic and observe Muslim behavior in the countries of Western Europe?
Another ten years? Another five? How long?
I don't know, Hugh. They seem to have gotten away with it for a lot longer so far than I would have thought possible. Their successes are far more striking than their failures. I suppose that's because we (we as a society) insist on doing their work for them. That the only right response to Islam and its billions of adherents is openness and tolerance to the point of refusing to even take note of what the Quran and Hadith say, of paying no attention at all to the expressions of hatred and the acts of violence which it inspires, and of making every excuse for it and every form of whitewashing on its behalf that our fertile (and so tolerant!) imaginations can come up with, is a culture myth of such power, at the moment, that there seems to be no fighting it.
Not that I'm saying stop trying. Please do not stop trying.
How long do Islamic apologists think they can get away with this?
The short answer: for as long as we let them.
C-SPAN was at it again this past weekend. It aired a "discussion of the Islamic world" with Bernard Lewis and Akbar Ahmed. It might have been an old one. I didn't notice a date.
I always look forward to audience questions and when Ahmed was asked about the militarism of Islam he seemed to excuse it by pointing to the fact that Mohammed was a military leader who then became a religious leader, and so all of these militant aspects of Islam are part of the faith.
What was left unsaid was that Islam is what it is: a doctrine for unending war. We wouldn't them to change who they are just to benefit us, now would we?
They will continue to get away with their murderous cult falsely proclaiming itself a "religion" until we show them exactly the same tolerance and respect they show to genuine religions.
"I can see how this can create waves of division in the community"
the waves of division are caused by the muslim themselves, you know, like wanting the USA to fall, wanting to impose sharia law, the list goes on and on...
They are getting away with it and will continue to get away with it as long as people do not continue to educate their neighbors. The Muslim spin machine is rolling 24 hours. They are slick and relentless. They have hired people whose JOBS it is to spin, deflect and create straw men.
It will take nothing less than the exact same (if not more) effort in the other direction. This is a long and difficult battle.
I want to add that I have personally begun to start talking to people and forwarding JW articles to people that I know. I implore the rest of you to do the same - WITHOUT sounding like the sky is falling.
O.K. Hugh:
Should one be concerned that Barry Hussein was promoted into Harvard Law School by a converted islamist Khalid al-Mansour ?
Go, Barry go Obaminator.
Back home to sweet Chicago.
She's shocked that a filthy kaffir had the nerve to say this in her presence.
Kaffirs are to say what they are instructed to say.
In this case, that mohammedanism is a religion of peace and CAIR is a "civil rights organization".
"Muhammad’s "marriage" to little Aisha when she was nine years old "
Actually, the marriage was when Aisha was age 6 -- the consummation of that marriage came when she was age 9:
From Bukhari’s collection of hadiths, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham’s father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html
More from Bukhari’s collection of hadiths, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html
More from Bukhari’s collection of hadiths, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html
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Apologists have a terrible tendency to relalitivising the issues of fundamentalism. They even compare observant Jews to Muslim thugs, no way. They obviously do not understand the brutal teachings of Islam and its reality.
The self-appointed prophet married a six-year old girl and raped her when she was nine.
He beheaded the helpless Jews in Yathrib, that's another fact, but apologists want to put lipstick on the pig, but any pig looks better than the bloody reality of Islam.
Apologists have a terrible tendency of relativising fundamentalism. They even compare observant Jews to Muslim thugs. That's rubbish.
The self-appointed prophet married a six-year-old girl and raped her when she was nine. That's a fact.
He beheaded the helpless Jews in Yathrib, that's another fact. There are many more, it is all in the books, that's why the Quran and the Hadith speak for themselves. Read them and you will be best informed about the brutality and reality of Islam.
“Read them and you will be best informed about the brutality and reality of Islam.”
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So true epistem, but our fellow Kuffar mostly will not read them. No time, no interest, it’s too hard, too upsetting, too lazy, etc. etc. etc.
We must take it to them my friend, in small pieces. Short, to the point, discussions – short things they can take with them and read in the bathroom.
How long, asks Hugh? Unfortunately, a very very long time. The fact that all the information is available does not mean that enough people will read it. We need for millions to read it, but only hundreds, or perhaps thousands, will do so. That is just not enough to make a significant difference politically.
The only half-war realistic chance we have is to join Brigitte Gabriel's mass, grassroots, citizens action network, ACT!ForAmerica. Please check it out at www.actforamerica.com. And, get her book: They Must Be Stopped.
And, get her book: They Must Be Stopped.
...for everyone for Christmas, for Hanuhhak, for Mother's Day, Arbor Day, Groundhog Day. Just keep it on the Bestseller List. And while you're at it, maybe spread around a few copies of 'Islam Unveiled,' 'The Truth About Muhammad,' 'Mohammed and the Unbelievers,' 'Why I am Not a Muslim,' etc.
So how much longer until someone asks Bernard Lewis, John Esposito, et al the questions: so what do Muslims and non-Muslims agree on?
Given that there's not a single topic, issue, or subject on which we agree, how do you expect them to assimilate into our society, particularly given the fact that under no circumstances are Muslims to ever do an honest day's work in their lives, but rather to parasitize infidels forever?
Why should we tolerate that?
Are we supposed to just stand back while they pray for our genocide, subjugation, and enslavement and practice treasonous sedition 5 times a day?
Are we supposed to accept that even in the free world all Muslim women live their entire lives as sex slaves?
Where does that zakat money go?
Hanukkah, not Hanuhhak
Excellent post, Hugh.
Just one tiny quibble--Aisha was not "the last wife of Muhammad"--she was just his second wife.
Ol' Mo still had a lot more marryin' left to do--including widows of men he had murdered and the wife of his adopted son (which repercussions have been so disasterous for orphans in the "Muslim world").
How long do Islamic apologists think they can get away with this? If my "liberal" Jewish family is any indication, until Sharia law becomes the law of the U.S. And by that time they'll be subjugated dhimmi's and it'll be too late.