Eighty thousand Somalis, almost all of them Muslims, have been allowed into this country. What they have done can be seen in Lewiston, Maine, where their enormous burden on the benefits system left so little for the native poor, who had been paying into that system for decades, that the Mayor of Lewiston publicly expressed his alarm at the Somali influx. For his pains he was mechanically, and roundly, denounced as a "racist.”
Or it can be seen in the places where some Somalis do work, rather than live on benefits, such as those meat-packing plants in Nebraska and Colorado where the non-Somali workers, who bear the brunt of the behavior and attitudes of the Somalis in their midst, revolted when the meat-packing company was prepared to supinely give in to Muslim demands, demands that would have given preferential treatment to Muslim workers. One of the non-Muslim workers was widely quoted: "The Latino is very humble," said Garcia, 73, who has worked at the plant, owned by JBS U.S.A. Inc., since 1994. "But they are arrogant," he said of the Somali workers. "They act like the United States owes them."
In Minneapolis, Somali and other Muslim taxidrivers have refused to pick up people carrying liquor (at the airport where those arriving from abroad dutifully carry their Duty-Free) and also blind people with seeing-eye dogs. It is fascinating to consider that because in seventh-century Arabia some Arab, who may or may not have existed, is said to have said that he wouldn’t enter a house “with statues or dog,” in twenty-first century America a blind person waiting patiently for a taxi may not be picked up. And consider this, while we have stopped to look at that Hadith: for 1350 years Muslims have had to stifle whatever creative impulse they might have had to create statuary. And not only that, but wherever they have been able, they have destroyed the statues -- Greek or Roman, Byzantine or Buddhist -- all across the vast lands they have conquered. They haven’t stopped today. Look at what the Taliban did not only to the Bamiyan Buddhas (with engineering help from Pakistanis and money from Saudis), but also to the already pathetically teeny-tiny contents of the Kabul Museum, with its remains of so many civilizations that had overlapped or overlaid one another, in palimpsestic fashion, over that swath of territory now known as Afghanistan.
Those Somalis were allowed into this country as “refugees.” But why are Muslims who leave a Muslim country, where they are not persecuted for being non-Muslims but instead can do the persecuting, and who bring their supremacist Total Belief-System with them and show in a hundred ways that they believe their faith Superior and they Superior as well, owed a living in Lewiston, owed special favors in Nebraska and Colorado, owed exemption from the hack-license rules in Minneapolis? They clearly believe that it is we, the Infidels who gave them misplaced rescue and succor of every kind, who must change our ways, who must yield to them.
Who decided that we owed this to Somalis? Was it because the Americans went to Somalia to prevent the natural state of Hobbesian man into which Muslim lands descend without a Muslim bully-boy or despot to manage things the way Muslim rulers do, through their absolute control of the military and the mukhabarat and some version of the mutawwa -- the three M’s of Muslim rule that keep those Arab despots the longest-ruling rulers or dynasties or juntas in the last century? See Khaddafy in Libya, see the Hashemites in Jordan, the Sherifians in Morocco, the FLN military men in Algeria, the Bourguiba-Ben Ali reign in Tunisia. The military, embodied currently by Mubarak, have ruled over Egypt since the coup of Nasser and Naguib back in the early 1950s. See also the Al-Saud, the Al-Thani, the Al-Maktoum, the Al-thises and Al-thatses, up and down the Arab side of the Persian Gulf. See the vicissitudes of the same small group of zamindars and generals who rule, and own, Pakistan, see see see. Military, Mukhabarat, Mutawwa (the variant spelling in the Islamic Republic of Iran is “Mullahs”).
That’s the Three M’s of Modern Muslim Rule. Forget your Hobbes and Locke and Rousseau, your Mill and Bentham, your Bagehot, your Oakeshott, your Rawls or, in the alternative, your von Hayek. It’s a completely different world, the world of Islam. This is something our credulous, hopeful, sentimental, arrogant rulers, the ones who were going to “remake the Middle East,” did not understand, because they had lost, in the hectic vacancy of Washington, the habit of study, the ability to think.
Perhaps that lesson can be learned even by some of those raised in the Age of Ignorance, the Western Jahiliyya -- the Age, that is, before an Awareness and Grasp of Islam as a Total Belief-System with an amazing hold on the minds of men. But they, most men everywhere, are primitive, which is why it is best that their primitiveness be channeled by a faith less dangerous to all those who do not submit to the same faith, and one that just possibly is founded on principles that, if actually followed, could do a lot of good. Just because you rise to the top in Washington, you can’t stop learning, and you have to learn to undo the clichés of the past, about Islam as a “bulwark against Communism,” or about Islam as a “religion of peace” (which arises from the dreamy idea that All Religions Are The Same, and We All Want The Same Thing).
You have to learn about the texts and tenets of Islam, unlike James Baker, with his Saudi baker-and-botts wheeling-dealing, and unlike Bill Clinton and George Bush Sr. with the fabulous largesse the Saudis and other Muslims have presented to their Presidential libraries, and unlike the “respected” (by whom? For what?) Colin Powell, who has been supremely aware since his earliest military days of the need to be attuned to politics and pleasing the powerful. He hasn’t looked back, he “seen his opportunities and he took ‘em.” Powell was happy to pocket the keys of the Jaguar that Prince Bandar, his tennis-and-racquetball partner and pal, gave him. Powell learned from Bandar so much about the Al-Saud, about Saudi Arabia, about Islam, so much that he can pontificate indignantly about unfair worries or suspicions about Muslims in high office, and can get away with using as his point of departure (and his sole point, come to think of it), a single photograph of a Muslim mother grieving at the grave of her Muslim son. That son was one of a handful who must have enlisted in the American army.
Colin Powell was not asked to explain what makes him so sure that the doctrine of Islam is not worrisome, what makes him take as “representative” this particular soldier, and not the Muslim Marine who went AWOL, leaving his post and returning to Lebanon, not the Muslim soldier who rolled a grenade into a tent, killing two officers, not the Muslim sailor who apparently was offering to give secrets about his ship to other Muslims for their own deadly use, not all the other examples of Muslim mendacity. Instead, this single example, of a photograph, caused Colin Powell to become a great and reassuring authority on Islam on national television, without a single bit of information about Islam other than what he gleaned from Prince Bandar (he of the jangling keys to the Jaguar, pocked by Mrs. Powell just a few days after Colin Powell left office, and could now “accept the gift” that a few days before would have been illegal).
Some, many, of these people must be prevented from again being in positions of authority. And all those who have not yet shown signs of coming to understand, of even making the attempt to understand Islam –- through direct and personal study, and not through vicarious study, that is having an aide or two has read a book or two, and then “summarize” in power-point form what “Islam is all about” -- should be kept out of any position. For they represent, in their ignorance, and in their continuing influence, a supreme danger. Inertia plays a part, inertia and being overawed by those who, simply because they have served high up in this or that administration, are foolishly accorded a respect that their own display of mind does not suggest they have earned, or are capable of earning.
And not just in foreign policy, but in domestic policy. If you cannot recognize the Jihad, don’t want to find out what it is, what it means, and why Islam is not merely a “religion” in the commonly-accepted sense but also an Identity, a Loyalty, both to what is a Total Belief-System and to the other Believers, the other Members of the world-wide Umma, an identity and a loyalty that trump all other possible identities and loyalties (or at least, that is what Islam inculcates -- a few may ignore what is inculcated, but then they may well be “Muslims-for-identification-purposes-only” Muslims), then you may not be able to connect the contents of this article about the killing of the Somali Christian for daring to be a Christian (and daring to suggest that the attendees at a wedding, including the bride and groom, had a right to understand the ceremony) with the attitudes of Somali Muslims, “Muslim refugees from Islam” (???), who have been allowed to settle deep within our borders, within what Muslims themselves are taught to regard as enemy lines, the lines of Dar al-Harb.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but don't many of these Muslims get sponsorship through churches so they can haul 'em in here, convert 'em, and then grow their churches?
Some years back, I discovered that the Southern Baptists dole out money to churches based on how many people they baptize per month.
Perhaps other denominations as well.
Nexus?
80% of somalis in the UK are unemployed and on benefits.
Of course, this does give them more free time to culturally enrich the communities in which they've settled.
And demographically we need them. Just like the other 50 million africans the EU is trying to get into Europe.
Not to overstate the case but I have watched Somali women lined up for welfare checks in San Diego and some were obviously going back for "seconds" with another ID card. The sad part is that the authorities don't care..it isn't their money now is it?
"I have watched Somali women lined up for welfare checks in San Diego and some were obviously going back for "seconds" with another ID card."
-- from a posting above
No retinal I.D. reading? No matching of fingerprints? For god's sake, the technology exists. Use it.
Well said, Hugh. You've captured all the salient points.
Undaunted....check out your local, national, and international Catholic Social Services websites. Visit them and see how many they are bringing in, they work directorly with the State Department.
My research shows that the Southern Baptist have asked for 'persecuted Christians' to be allowed into the U.S. i.e. Copts, Assyrians, Sudanese refugees....but the Southern Baptist are not advocating muslims.
But Catholic Social Services are bringing them in, and speciafically bringing them in young married and pregnant....'anchor babies'. Once mom and dad have a baby here on U.S. soil you can't deport them later.
In my line of work I work with many of these and the common denominator is always documentation from Catholic Social Services.
How many Somalis came to the US before Bush 41's first foray into the country?
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It is normal for the liberal elites to bring in the scum from cesspoolstans, since these scum do not live among the elites, but with the rest of the taxpayers of their host countries.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess
Perhaps it's time to change all that. Any congressman who votes to increase immigration numbers should have to house some "poor refugees".
When I said I "watched" apparent fraud by Somali women it is because I was working very near in another capacity. I would be interested in any welfare system that uses retinal technology. I certainly isn't LA county or SD county.
Posted by ZenaWarriorPrincess:
It is normal for the liberal elites to bring in the scum from cesspoolstans, since these scum do not live among the elites, but with the rest of the taxpayers of their host countries.
Politicians and other "leaders" who have made themselves famous by encouraging emotionally based governmental policy, emphasizing cultural diversity over simple respect for a common set of laws and civility, and their post-modern insistence that "fairness" dictate equality of outcome over equality of opportunity, shouldn't be surprised to find themselves victims of the Leftist emotional fire they've ignited.
Among those tens of millions of adoring, fainting, worshiping crowds are the leaders of the religous and political manic depressives; like Wright, Farakhan, and Bill Ayres, who will be just as happy to scream "Guillotine! Guillotine!" when the promised utopian change doesn't arrive... and we all know the damage a "tiny minority of extremists" can do.
SR, I'm with you. One doesn't have to be religious to know islam is no religion.
We do not owe this or any other immigrant population any of perks that they are enjoying at the expense of you and me and the millions of other true citizens of this country teetering on the brink of socialism/communism. My before mentioned friend from Thailand has extensive experience with Somalis when he lived back in New Jersey. NONE of his experiences, and I mean None of his experiences were positive. He was spat upon, sneezed on had urine and worse thrown at him at several jobs where he worked until he was fortunate to find a job with a defense contractor,
once again using his engieering and technical expertise that he went to college for. This friend came into the USA LEGALLY, taking all courses and exams to obtain his citizenship. These are the ONLY immigrants that should be allowed in, and our immigration policies are in extreme need of overhaul. The door needs to be closed at once to any and all muslim immigrants as they are proving over and over that they incapable of learning our cultural ways and norms.
The liberals and democtaric/socialist party of today encourages these types of immigrants to pad their voting ranks with the help of Acorn and other perverted leftist organizations. Obumma is so deeply tied into these organizations and policies of "diversity and culture" that he chooses to ignore the growing criticism of his "true" friends like Ayers, Wright and Farrakhan. Obumma refuses to disassociate these eveil "friends' for what they truly are, enemies of the United States. It is no longer 1885, or 1930's or the 1940-1950's. Times have drastically changed up to 2008 and our government's policies need to be changed to defend our country from the arab/muslim mmigrants who come here to wreck our country from within. There are therats from others, but not like we are seeing from islam and the muslims. One more reason I will never give up my weapons or the my right to keep and bear arms, no matter who gets elected, or what rights we will lose should the wrong person(read Obumma) get elected.
Be vigialnt and aware. For WE ARE the watchmen, and women, manning the watch towers of Jerusalem!
I stand with SR, as well.
We need rationality to fight violent mytholgy, not more mythology.
No retinal I.D. reading? No matching of fingerprints? For god's sake, the technology exists. Use it.
Posted by: Hugh
Godd heavens, Hugh! That would be demeaning to the poor dears. We can't have that.
At one time, welfare applicants were asked a number of questions about their situation, such as whether they had a job, or when they had last a job, how much they made, what financial resources they had (like a bank account), etc. And only after they had been checked out was their eligibility determined, and the welfare granted. All that changed in the early '70's, when the ruling leftists decided that such questions were demeaning to the applicants. After all, one wouldn't lie about such things, would one? So the questions were still asked, but the money was granted right away. Only after a few months, when their statements had been investigated and found untrue, would the payments be discontinued. Of course there was no question of getting any of the money back.
The welfare agencies consider the recipients their clients, and the more the better. The agencies are there to hand out money, and the more they hand out, the better they are doing -- they're "helping" more people.
pismopal: if you get the chance, report them. Tell the counter staff. Social Security staff are not all third-worldists. I am finding that many people are slowly changing their opinions. I am more than happy to share what I have learned with anyone, and sometimes I am surprised when people admit they have secret doubts about the way we are heading. Don't keep it secret, don't keep quiet - unless you are in an Islamic country, then gather information to back up what you say (which is all too easy!)
undaunted-alaska1000 is absolutely right, evangelicals usually bring in Sudanese, black Christians violently persecuted by Arab Muslims.
alaska1000-Thanks for pointing that out in response to undaunted. But the "anchor baby" thing is pretty much a myth. A family with an anchor baby is completely deportable, it happens all the time and just happened here in Chattanooga en masse. If the family wants to place the baby with a legal resident, the little US citizen is not deportable. The anchor baby cannot sponsor any family members until she's 18. I'm an evangelical pastor who works with immigrants and attorneys all the time.
On Somalis...in Kenya, which is one of the most welcoming nations in the world and one of Africa's true melting pots, they hate Somalis. I asked a friend why: "Because they bring guns and violence to our country." Go figure.
There was an article in the LA Times a couple of years ago concerning the wonderful actions of an organization that hosted Somalian immigrants and worked for them to get their citizenship. The article gushed about how the Somali's who came to the country lacked any life skills to work and exist in the US. The reporter fawned, that the volunteers taught them everything.
Things like inside plumbing, a simple stove, water pipes, etc were completely alien. The Somali's would stare a common household appliances as if they were flying saucers.
It is nice to see how quickly they have adapted, butchering chickens, driving cabs, and going on welfare, and demanding their rights,...(I wonder where their hosts went that vouched for the immigrants.. that they would not become a burden on the social welfare system..but then why should they be any different than the guy that brings grandma in the country on the Family Reunification Act, and on her first day, drives her down to get safety net Social Security benefits.)
The answer to your question:
We don't owe anything to the Somali's, We did it to ourselves for a penny on the dollar.
It is unfortunate that we sell out our country on the cheap, for a 10 cent cheaper burger, or a cheaper chicken nugget, or cheap lawn service.
We should be trying to attract those with skills we need and capital we need. That would be the value added approach we need.
I can't help but notice that I do not see my post any longer. I do see that several people replied to it, though. Was it removed by a mod, or is this an innocent mistake? If the former, I'd like to know what I said that was so offensive as to require moderation. I truly hope that this site is not becoming closed to differing viewpoints on how to tackle the threat we face from Islam.
Thank you.
I'm not seeing it either, SR (I thought that was a little odd).
undaunted,
The truth is a lot of christian churches are financing the coming of the Muslims but I never heard about ONE SINGLE CONVERSION. If you have some numbers , I would like to see them
What you have to understand is that Somalis Muslims here are building new mosques and find new places to meet where they can freely discuss their hate for this country and how , WHEN THEY WILL BE IN ENOUGH NUMBER in this country , they will be able to have their way, and don't forget that the ultimate goal of Islam is to dominate the world.
I remember the sentence of one of those Muslims.
"we will not have any peace until the whole USA is Muslim"
You might laugh at this but little by little they are winning.
The other day I heard that the city of Memphis now has over 20000 Muslims .
A few years ago , in a Muslim meeting I heard that the first Muslim couple arrived in Memphis 20 years ago.
Do the maths.... and mutiply by the number of states.
Why so many Somali's are here is a question that has bedeviled me for a quite a few years (and it's not just Lewiston, Maine, if we recall the to-do they made about Ramadan versus Labor Day at the Tyson plants in Arkansas). We didn't even treat our Mhong allies of Indo China as well.
Maybe it's the price we pay for the withdrawal from Mogadishu. Look at the juice they've already got. Tell me they didn't have 'ringer' in their crowd already primed before they got here.
We are in a real mess and someone better start figuring the way to get the toothpaste back in the tube. Somehow, I don't think the "Kenyan Kid" is going to anything other than make it worse.
But this Somalian issue calls for a report. Then again, has anyone watched the votes of the Maine Congressional delegation?