The "Ramadan gift" that this law was intended to be came a little late, but in the end, creeping sharia took a significant step forward. "The Indonesian parliament adopts anti-pornography bill," by Mathias Hariyadi for AsiaNews, October 30:
Jakarta (AsiaNews) – With opposition MPs absent, Indonesia’s parliament approved an anti-porn bill that was welcomed by supporters who loudly rejoiced with prayers to Allah. In online newspaper forums many ordinary citizens reacted angrily however, slamming what they consider a step backward for Indonesia and an “obscurantist” decision.
Today the lower house in Indonesia’s parliament approved the controversial anti-pornography bill, known in Bahasa Indonesia as Undang-undang Pornografi, Uu App. Since it was tabled it has been at the centre of intense discussions because it is seen as a step towards introducing Sharia law into the country’s legal system along the lines of Saudi Arabia.
In recent weeks human rights activists and representatives of political and religious minorities, including the Catholic Church, have strenuously objected to the law.
According to its critics, the law eliminates “cultural” differences and undermines “national unity”. As it stands it is all but an attempt by Muslim fundamentalists to introduce Islamic law into the country’s legal system.
The anti-porn law was approved almost unanimously but MPs for the Indonesian Democracy Struggle Party (PDIP) and the Christian-based Prosperous Peace Party (PDS) were not in the house in protest against the bill.
A supporter of the new law named Lasmiantini, a member of a group called Salima or Muslim Sisters, felt great about it.
“Inshallah, God willing, Indonesia shall finally see the rebirth of morality,” she said.
“We are happy,” she added, “because we won the battle to defend our children and it [the law] will also protect women.”
“Educational TV programmes” will be promoted “to improve moral values as the basis of society.
Pro-law activists said that the legislation can be improved to “avoid excesses”, denying at the same time that negative views were expressed “against the bill in some provinces.”
Meuthia Hatta, daughter of Mohammad Hatta, one of Indonesia’s founding fathers, noted that the law “does not violate the principles of freedom of expression” but instead protects people from the harm done by pornography...
Interestingly, that sounds a lot like Eklemeddin İhsanoğlu's contention that people should be allowed to "criticize" whatever they wish, but there are "red lines" that must not be crossed. What becomes all-important is who is in charge of drawing those "red lines," and in both cases, the agenda influencing where and how they are drawn is obvious.
Marisol:
Indonesia will soon split between the Greens (islamists) and the Orange (i.e. the non-Moslems who would've stayed with the Dutch if a referendum had been held in 1949)
It's interesting to note that Indonesia is going the way of Malaysia: both are multiracial and multireligious societies whose seams are being ripped open because the Moslems just can't leave enough alone and must dominate everything.
In the end, the Indonesian Moslems will rule over a very truncated country. The non-Moslems will've had enough and want to rule over themselves. And to the surprise and shock of everyone, the Orangists will do a pretty decent job.
xavier
Indonesians should be banned from having all sex, including marital sex. That way, porn will be extinct in this islamic paradise
Xavier I hight doubt that the non-muslim will resolt
against the lawful government.The military is mostly
moslim(90%) so the rebel have no firepower.
Meuthia Hatta, daughter of Mohammad Hatta, one of Indonesia’s founding fathers, noted that the law “does not violate the principles of freedom of expression” but instead protects people from the harm done by pornography...
And what about the harm caused by Islam
....non-muslim will resolt (sic) against the lawful government....
Silly defender. I, nabi ZK (pbum), must inform you, as I am your true nabi and the true nabi of all mohametan and pseudo mohametan trolls, and you are a pseudo are you not, well I must inform you that there is no such thing as a lawful government in the mohametan world. All such so called governments are illegitimate, being established by usurper mohametans who have stolen every square inch of land they now occupy. I, nabi ZK (pbum), call for the liberation of lands so occupied and severe punishment for the usurpers that they abandon their evil ideology of "lawful" theft, murder and rape. Please take note of this and please do join our Crusade of justice for the victims of the evil mohametan killer ideology and to finally and utterly destroy the corruption that is mohametanism.
Thank You
Your friend nabi ZK (pbum)
A "rebirth of morality" such as this?
Somali woman stoned
One of the problems with pornography is defining it. The US has been struggling with that one for decades. Whatever you call it, it seems to have won out because pornography is everywhere.
Justice Potter of the Supremes became famous when he said of pornography, 'I can't define it, but I know it when I see it'...
I have a feeling they will define it in absolute terms, like Saudi Arabia.
A copy of 'The Love Boat' tv program got an American arrested, and put in a Saudi jail for eighteen months...Possession of Pornography...
It's interesting how these laws always "protect" people from pornography. (I personally feel that the definition of pornography is "information someone else doesn't want you to see".
Is it possible for individuals to determine whether or not they wish to view or read something? All by themselves?
In many cases the urge to censor is simply to give a lazy person a job that does not involve hard work.
In this case it is simply another step in the Jihad.
Censorship and pornography...Years ago Hollywood productions were censored by a small group of people called, 'The Breen office', or maybe it was the 'Green office', anyway their job was to watch movies, and censor parts or whole films.
The goal of this was to protect the public from mind bending trash, like a man and a woman lying in bed, unexposed and just talking, or a flash of an inner thigh...or worse items that could rouse the publics impure thoughts.
Remember 'Ma and Pa Kettle'? They never roused an impure thought in anyone. That's the way the Breen/Green Office wanted it.
I always wondered what protected 'those' people from corrupted thoughts. It is bad for you to see that inner thigh, but it has no effect on them?
Those people lost their jobs because it was realized that a film, not even pornographic, has any magickal ability to 'cause' anyone to do something they would not do anyway.
I only agree with that theory partly.
Films have the power of visual persuasion.
A weak person who already has the tendency in him to rape, might be visually stimulated enough to emulate it.
While the pornography may have stimulated him to rape, it did not create rape in him...it pre-existed.
Another individual may watch hours of porno and it never enters his mind to rape anyone, because rape is not in him, even if porno is...
Censorship should only be applied to items that are in bad taste...I can't define them, but I know them when I see them...
DefenderofIslam: Xavier I hight doubt that the non-muslim will resolt
against the lawful government.The military is mostly
moslim(90%) so the rebel have no firepower.
The Timorese won their freedom in spite of Indon firepower. Muslim trumphalism is misplaced. Rollback is possible, in fact is happening in many places today.
I don't get this.
Why is a law against pornography seen as creeping Sharia?
Haven't dominantly Christian nations (such as the U.S.A.) had anti-pornography laws for much of their history?
What the hell is the Catholic Church doing protesting an anti-pornography law?
Look, I have no problem with the availability of porn in our society, but I can understand other societies having other feelings on this. Can someone please explain why, other than the fact that the law was introduced by Muslims, this is a topic for the attention of Dhimmi Watch?
Karl Pov
This is a VAGUE law which can impose harsh punishments according to Sharia Law.
The overlords of this code criminalize a woman showing her ankle whilst they marry (read: rape and abuse) children.
You can complain that the Catholic Church has its share of pedophiles, but those men sin against the Law of Moses.
The Muslim pedo-polygamist draws his rights from the Koran, and he will abuse and behead for Allah's sake whilst condemning innocent behaviour elsewhere.
What the hell is the Catholic Church doing protesting an anti-pornography law?
I think we need to know the actual terms of this legislation before we can judge either the bill or its opponents (unless, of course, you are like duh_swami above and disagree with any attempt to restrict pornography). The title of this post refers to it as a "Vague 'anti-pornography' bill", but so far, I've seen no indication that the bill is what's vague. What's vague is the articles about it that never state what exactly it purports to ban. (Maybe the idea is that anything that bans "obscene" books, such as section 292 of the Penal Code of neighboring Singapore, or section 18.2-374 of the Code of my state of Virginia, is necessarily vague, but that's not necessarily the case. Justice Stewart's claim to know it when he sees it is not the only approach the law can take. For an alternative, see Harry Clor's "Obscenity and Public Morality".)
What constitutes pornography in Islamic culture?
A picture of a women without her hair covered?
Men wearing shorts?
Women wearing something other than a black Hefty bag?
Karl POV - I'm pretty consist on opposing any form of censorship. I can't speak for other posters to this blog or the owners of this blog. The measure is simply another effort by Muslims to impose Sharia Law upon infidels. I do not share the religious beliefs of Muslims and I will never submit to Islam.
That is why this is an appropriate article in dhimmi watch.
Posted by: Karl Pov
Look, I have no problem with the availability of porn in our society, but I can understand other societies having other feelings on this. Can someone please explain why, other than the fact that the law was introduced by Muslims, this is a topic for the attention of Dhimmi Watch?
Here are few fotos that say it all
Indonesia/Bali before the Dutch and muslims came with their screwed up minds
http://blog.baliwww.com/wp-content/photos/bali_unveiled_2.jpg
http://blog.baliwww.com/wp-content/photos/bali_unveiled_3.jpg
http://blog.baliwww.com/wp-content/photos/bali_unveiled_4.jpg
After the Dutch Arrived
http://blog.baliwww.com/images/photonews/bali_unveiled_1.jpg
How the muslims demand
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/indonesian_muslims_protest2.jpg
Expatriate pop singer Anggun visited Jakarta recently and spoke out her opinions on the anti-pornography bill.
"I was born in a Muslim country. I am Muslim. But I’m very concerned that my country is becoming backward in this way. Because Islam is known as a tolerant religion. I don’t support countries that frustrate the young generation."
She then went on to sing
Its all in your mind,
In Your Mind...
I don't want to believe
And I don't want to live
By the excuses
Of your weakness
`cause a woman should do
What she wants to do
There is no reason
For your shallow aggravation
Nothing wrong with this smile I dare
Nothing wrong with my long black hair
I'ts all in your mind, in your mind
Nothing wrong with this legs you see
Nothing wrong with this lean body
And nothing wrong with the woman in me
Its' all in your mind, in your mind>
I just want to be sure
Don't want anymore
You're calling out names
Oh what a shame
Just open your mind
Then maybe you'll find
That there's no reason
For your shallow aggravation
Nothing wrong with this smile I dare
Nothing wrong with my long black hair
I'ts all in your mind, in your mind
Nothing wrong with this legs you see
Nothing wrong with this lean body
And nothing wrong with the woman in me
Its' all in your mind, in your mind >
Nothing wrong with this dress I wear
Or this smile I dare
Its all in your mind... in your mind
This legs you see
This lean body
Its all what you see in your mind 2x
Its only in your mind...
This is the time
To change your mind
There's still a chance
To change your mind
It's plain to see
From anywhere the only thing wrong
Is your irritating mind
Nothing wrong with this smile I dare
Nothing wrong with my long black hair
I'ts all in your mind, in your mind
Nothing wrong with this legs you see
Nothing wrong with this lean body
And nothing wrong with the woman in me
Its' all in your mind, in your mind >
http://www.anggunworld.com/gallery/anggunluminescence20.jpg
InfidelK9 -
Haram! Haram!
I'm sure that any Muslim following the straight path of Islam under "right" guidance has fallen over in a dead faint.
The topic climate dictates the style of clothing in many countries along the equator. That is until barbarians arrive, thinking that the rules of their sandbox are the rules of the universe.
(I am paraphrasing George Bernard Shaw)
Infidelk9
I do like those photos.
To go with them, and with anggun's song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sy1NhOF9Og&feature=related
I read somewhere, maybe here, that the anti-pornography laws were about suppressing Hinduism, making Moslems look at Hindus as rude, uncivilized and so on. I imagine Hindus will be the first ones to be targeted under this law, but maybe I am getting paranoid. (It's that Koran study I am doing - it's making me become unhinged, see enemies everywhere, wanting to shout warnings from the rooftops...watch out! They will destroy everything! It says so here! Guard every silly little aspect of your culture before they nibble at its edges until it is all gone..)
Posted by: PG
I read somewhere, maybe here, that the anti-pornography laws were about suppressing Hinduism, making Moslems look at Hindus as rude, uncivilized and so on. I imagine Hindus will be the first ones to be targeted under this law, but maybe I am getting paranoid.
PG, you are not getting paranoid, I have been living in Indonesia for the last 15 years, also visiting Bali for more than 20 years and I have seen a lot of changes for the worse.
When I first came to Bali it was the epitome of tropical, exotic paradise, where beautiful native girls dance to the hypnotic pounding of gongs in temples and palaces surrounded by lush terraces of paddy fields, palm trees wave in the gentle breezes, and spectacular sunsets.
Bali once enjoyed a rich culture, its history recorded in legends and preserved in its religion and the peoples adherence to the traditions of their ancestors. Temples are everywhere, especially in the mountains. The most revered temple is on Gunung Agung, the tallest mountain, and according to legend, "the navel" of the world.
Hindu Bali is a religion which owes its origins to India, but which has developed independently from its forebear. Hindu Bali celebrates its rituals in a highly dramatised form, in the form of dance and performance at traditional festivals, and at secular performances.
Dynamic and agile, Balinese dance is exciting theatre, filled with sharp corner-turnings, intricate coordination of eyeball, finger, neck and shoulder movements. Entertaining, elegant and captivating, the dances are performed according to strict tradition; the players are forbidden to improvise the movements learned and perfected since early childhood.
The crisply percussive gamelan which accompanies the dancers, shares their dynamism and agility. Each village that can afford it owns their own gamelan orchestra.
The traditional style of paintings depict aspects of religious life or mystical characters, painted in sombre hues of yellow, red and black, or sometimes in plain charcoal. Contemporary adaptation and external influences have resulted in new themes: often in vibrant colors, featuring people, animals and abstract imagery, that are different yet uniquely Balinese.
The Balinese consider art to be a natural activity. Peasants by day, artists by night, they are masters in expressing their religious beliefs and rituals into items of great artistic value; from simple masks, statues and jewellery, to wall sized panels using materials such as wood, stone, coral, bone, silver and gold. Painting and performance complete the picture. It is no exaggeration to say that there are as many artists in Bali as there are people.
The Javanese invaders, the Government, and muslim developers have all been “hyping” the heck out of Bali.Brochures, magazines, videos and advertisements all tell us the place is “idyllic”, a “paradise”, and they go on piling hyperbole on top of cliches to paint a picture of perfection so as to make big bucks without any regard to the real Bali
Thanx to the Moslims from Java, with their rape of Bali,the traditions and culture have been replaced with Filthy beaches, broken roads with enormous holes, surf awash with floating garbage, no parks or public spaces of beauty, sex tourism, rivers of raw sewage, birds dying of avian flu, traffic jams, noise pollution, another annual onslaught of dengue fever, appallingly ugly buildings, construction sites everywhere to build more appaling ugly buildings, overcrowding, noise pollution, broken traffic lights, more cars and less parking for them, flooding in Kerobokan and Seminyak after one day of rain, empty shopfronts, empty villas, almost empty hotels, for rent signs everywhere, hoardings and banners and signs littering the intersections, speeding trucks and bikes spewing black smoke, greed, rampant prostitution, drug dealing in broad daylight, mountains of trash dredged up from the ditches, more trash in every nook and cranny, businesses failing and new ones starting willy nilly without any logic or planning, increasing crime, inflation, pollution, short-termism, desperation
Bali is on the fast track to being another islamic cess pool
What a vivid description, InfidelK9. I can only repeat a favorite saying of Martin Luther King - "the arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice".
InfidelK9, Thankyou for your very interesting, and heartbreaking, reply. I have never been to Bali - I am not keen on the idea of tourism - but studied some of its history while at Uni (Asian Studies). And I know some West Papuan refugees, whose stories of Islamic inroads on their culture (to put it mildly) are harrowing. They cannot believe Australian people's tolerance of Islam, that we actually allow, totally unnecessarily, Islamic immigration.
Wow, an anti-porn bill by the muslims. If you look at the muslims culture, they are the most sick perverted twisted pedo freaks on this planet!
Somewhat OT but ...Prince Charles is visiting Indonesia, "to promote the preservation of forests and encourage interfaith dialogue", according to this report from Australia's national news site.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/01/2407735.htm?section=justin
'Prince Charles begins Indonesia visit
Posted Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:22pm AEDT
'Prince Charles has arrived in Indonesia in a visit to promote the preservation of forests and encourage interfaith dialogue in the world's largest Muslim-majority nation.
'The visit is the first time in nearly two decades the heir to the British throne has visited the South East Asian nation and comes on the back of trips to Japan and Brunei.
'Local media reported heightened security around Jakarta's Halim Perdanakusuma airbase in the lead-up to his visit, which comes as Indonesia prepares to execute three Islamist militants behind 2002 bombings on Bali island that killed more than 200.
'Authorities in Indonesia are guarding against a possible violent backlash by supporters of the bombers.
'Charles is scheduled to visit rainforest conservation work on Sumatra island before travelling to Jakarta to meet President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.
'He will later travel to Yogyakarta on Java island to meet the city's hereditary Sultan Hamengkubuwono X.
'Britain's Ambassador to Indonesia Martin Hatfull said Friday conservation of rain forests and interfaith dialogue were "very close to the Prince of Wales' heart."
'"He is well known and well respected as an authority... on both these issues," Mr Hatfull said.
AFP
END ARTICLE.
Prince Charles 'well known and well respected as an authority'...on 'interfaith dialogue' (with Muslims...) - REALLY?
I notice, from the projected schedule, that he won't be visiting temples in Hindu-majority Bali, or churches in Christian-majority Papua or in any of those other places in eastern Indonesia - e.g. Ambon - where Muslim jihadists killed Christians by the thousands and burned down their churches, in only the past ten years or so.
I wonder whether anyone has told HRH about that Christian Theological College in Java that was attacked only this year by a screaming Muslim lynch mob egged on by inflammatory broadcasts from the loudspeakers of the mosque next door? He could have asked to pay a visit to some of the students and teachers from that college. I'm sure Canon Patrick Sookhdeo could have put him in touch with them.
Defender of Islam:
You assume that the regime is legitimate. I don't; it's had to fight everyone Islmaists in the 1950s; The East Timorese, the Organists, etc) Its legitimacy is about as solid as as a grass hut during a typhoon.
The non-Moslems are fed up with being bombed, harrassed, insulted and patronized by a group of people who've never left the 9th century.
There's a legal principle that a law can be void for vagueness. This law certainly falls in that category
xavier
Defender of Islam:
You assume that the regime is legitimate. I don't; it's had to fight everyone Islmaists in the 1950s; The East Timorese, the Organists, etc) Its legitimacy is about as solid as as a grass hut during a typhoon.
The non-Moslems are fed up with being bombed, harrassed, insulted and patronized by a group of people who've never left the 9th century.
There's a legal principle that a law can be void for vagueness. This law certainly falls in that category
xavier
Defender of Islam:
You assume that the regime is legitimate. I don't; it's had to fight everyone Islmaists in the 1950s; The East Timorese, the Organists, etc) Its legitimacy is about as solid as as a grass hut during a typhoon.
The non-Moslems are fed up with being bombed, harrassed, insulted and patronized by a group of people who've never left the 9th century.
There's a legal principle that a law can be void for vagueness. This law certainly falls in that category
xavier