All humans generally live according to some set of priorities. A person may make a priority of health, of pleasure, of study—of absolutely anything, really. But it is practically a law of nature that a person must make a priority of something. Even those who lead unstructured existences unconsciously live according to some set of unarticulated priorities, if only according to something so basic as the primal need for food, drink, and shelter.
For many people, religious practice — striving to obey God’s commandments — is a high priority, the highest, even. Yet this priority can come into conflict with the character of the society in which one lives. This is undoubtedly the case for devout Muslims who voluntarily relocate to Western nations. This invariably will compromise what many of them profess to be their ultimate priority: living in accordance to the divine laws of Allah (i.e., sharia — most of which is derived from the words and deeds of seventh-century Mohammad).
Some of these Muslims arrive in the West and refuse to compromise. Consider the following news stories:
A few Muslim cashiers working at Target stores in Minneapolis last year refused to scan customer purchases that may have contained pork products. Instead of swiping the products themselves — which is their job — they inconvenienced the customers or fellow employees by having them do it.
Muslim cab drivers have long been discriminating against customers carrying or suspected of carrying alcohol. Officials at the St. Paul International Airport estimate that, on average, alcohol-bearing customers seeking cab rides are denied 77 times per month. Some blind customers have also been turned down on account of their seeing-eye dogs.
Muslims in Seattle have requested (and been granted) regularly scheduled hours for their exclusive use of public pools; an all-Muslim-girls basketball team at a Chicago university demanded that men be barred from attending their matches; some 200 Muslim women signed a petition at a Michigan fitness center demanding separate workout times for men and women, or at least the erection of a screen divider between the men’s and women’s section (which was granted).
More recently, Muslims have been demanding special rights in regards to prayer time during Ramadan.
All of these issues revolve around the Muslim desire to live according to Allah’s laws — which, among other things, ban contact with pigs, dogs, and alcohol, insist on punctuality concerning prayer, and have rigid social guidelines, especially in regards to public interaction between the sexes. From a religious point of view, then, the anti-social behavior of these Muslims is logically consistent. They are doing only what their religion commands them to do. And their refusal to compromise on these points demonstrates that adherence to the commandments of Islam is a priority of the utmost importance to them.
However, if living in strict accordance to sharia is the first priority of some Muslims, one wonders: Why have they voluntarily come and immersed themselves in infidel countries that do not recognize sharia law and, indeed, allow many things that run counter to it, such as the selling and consumption of alcohol and pork and the liberal intermingling of the sexes?
Most of the Muslim countries that Muslims abandon for the West are much more conducive to the Muslim lifestyle and uphold many if not all aspects of sharia law. Yet, each year, thousands of supposedly “ultra-devout” Muslims forsake these countries and, of their own free will, come and surround themselves with wine-imbibing, swine-eating libertines. Why?
For the same reason that everyone else comes to the West — for the “good life.” They come in order to be prosperous and to enjoy opportunities, security, and equality the likes of which they could never have in their own countries (ruled quite often — no surprise — according to sharia). The vast majority of Muslims emigrating from the Islamic world do not leave due to necessity — say, oppression or starvation. No, they come to the infidel West solely to prosper materially.
But why are Muslims of the “ultra-pious” variety seeking after material comfort in the first place — especially when doing so will almost certainly undermine their professed desire to live strictly according to the sharia? Coming to live in a democratic country composed of some 300 million infidels is bound to affect any Muslim’s observance of sharia. These pious Muslims risk coming into daily contact with, not only pork, alcohol, and dogs, but all sorts of other defilements: flamboyant homosexuals, scantily clad women (who are often in positions of authority!), gamblers and usurers, to name a few. Are they not concerned that they, or especially their children, might become contaminated by the licentious and seductive practices of the infidel West?
If their priority is truly to strictly follow sharia, should they not remain in their Muslim countries of origin, which, if not as prosperous as the West, are definitely more conducive to the Muslim lifestyle?
Or, could it be that, despite all the ruckus (and subsequent headlines) made by these Muslims, living in accordance to Allah and his sharia is not their first priority, after all? At least, not to the degree that they would be unwilling to put this priority at substantial risk for the sake of living the good life, in a strictly secular and materialistic sense.
Furthermore, if common sense does not dissuade them from relocating to the West, the very sharia they claim to want to closely observe should. For instance, if pork and alcohol are condemned (e.g., Koran 5:4; 2:219), voluntarily living among infidels, idolaters, and atheists is looked on no better. The Koran declares: “O you who believe! Take neither Jews nor Christians as friends…whoever among you turns to them is one of them” (5:51).
There are countless verses and traditions, in fact, that make it clear that Muslims are to be in a constant state of animosity toward non-Muslims, waging war through tongue and teeth in order to spread Islam, and, when finally in a position of superiority, discriminating against those who refuse to convert (see, for example, Koran 3:28, 5:73, 5:17, 9:5, 9:25, etc).
When the Meccans persisted in their unbelief, refusing to accept the prophet-hood — and subsequent authority — of Mohammad, he finally abandoned his kinsfolk with these parting words, which some Muslims believe still define the proper relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims: “We [Muslims] disown you [non-Muslims] and what you worship besides Allah. We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us — until you believe in Allah alone!” (60:40).
So why are some Muslims making public scenes here in the United States over scanning bacon or transporting customers with sealed bottles of wine in their luggage while at the same time freely choosing to live with — and of course benefit from — those whom they are commanded to hate and wage war upon, or at the very least, disavow and be clean of?
Of course, there is always the "stealth jihad" to consider --- that is, the subtle, non-violent form of jihad that seeks to gradually turn the West into a part of the Abode of Islam. But that is another story for another time.
At any rate, “straining out a gnat while swallowing a camel” has long been a sure sign of hypocrisy. All Muslims who freely migrate to the West must understand that they can’t have it both ways — that they can’t have their cake and eat it, too. They must choose between either strictly upholding the laws and customs of 7th-century Arabia (in which case they should remain in their “sharia friendly” countries of origin) or, if prosperity and comfort is their first choice, let them relocate to the West, but prepare to assimilate — that is, compromise — to some degree. It’s a simple question of priorities.
"All Muslims who freely migrate to the West must understand that they can’t have it both ways — that they can’t have their cake and eat it, too."
The politician who says this and means it and is prepared to run on this platform and to implement it if elected will win in a landslide.
Ockham's Razor suggests to me that 1. the slack Muslims are in the non-Muslim lands for a better life 2. the fervent Muslims are here as a de facto invasion.
It's worth reading V S Naipaul's account, in 'Among the Believers', in one of the chapters devoted to Pakistan, of the wholesale exportation of Muslims to the West, to Europe, of the deliberate sending out of a de facto army of illegal immigrants and fake 'asylum seekers', armed beforehand with knowledge of exactly which buttons to push in order to con their intended host societies into letting them in.
If you want to see how the common Muslim thinks read this.
Re-posting:
http://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/
These people are not here just to live. The are here for invasion and conquest.
Main Entry: in·va·sion
Pronunciation: \in-ˈvā-zhən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English invasioune, from Anglo-French invasion, from Late Latin invasion-, invasio, from Latin invadere to invade
Date: 15th century
1: an act of invading ; especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful
Conquest \Con"quest\, n. [OF. conquest, conqueste, F. conqu[^e]te, LL. conquistum, conquista, prop. p. p. from L. conquirere. See {Conquer}.]
1. The act or process of conquering, or acquiring by force; the act of overcoming or subduing opposition by force, whether physical or moral; subjection; subjugation; victory.
Who is Raymond Ibrahim?
How many readers would visit this site and know exactly who he is?
Just who is Raymond Ibrahim?
"strict accordance to sharia" is impossible, there are too many rules.
The muslims described just choose what they want to follow, and they chose annoying items with a purpose.
Odd question, Wild Jew.
He was introduced here by Robert months ago.
He's an excellent thinker and writer.
What's your point?
Hey "Wild Jew"
Who are you?
Look at Ray's bio -
He's been here for a while.
Raymond,
I would like you to qualify your comment about Islam banning contact with dogs.
You presume to and act as though you are some kind of authority on Islam...let's see the proof.
Define how it is that that in the Sharia I am instructed upon releasing my hound ( yes, Raymond, a dog, a hunting dog, one that I am holding back who is eager for the hunt) and in doing saying "Bismillah" makes any of the wild game captured and killed by my hunting dog halal, if it is as you claim "Islam forbids contact with dogs".
That's right, Raymond, right from the dog's mouth to the chopping block to the table halal meat.
Show these good people here how much you really know, Raymond.
How is it forbidden for me to be in contact with dogs when I can take the game right out of their mouths and it is Halal in the instance described?
Tell us that Raymond...or is it perhaps you are only the "FPM caliber Islamic Scholar" and not a real one?
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
AM ole pal - where do you live?
Wild Jew:
There is a very simple way to find an answer to this question.
Up at the top of this page, you will see the words "Jihad Watch." Underneath that, you will see, in a row, these words: "FrontPageMag.com, By Robert Spencer, By Hugh Fitzgerald, Books, Dhimmi Watch, Islam 101, Qur'an Blog, Raymond Ibrahim, Robert Spencer."
All of those are clickable. Click on "Raymond Ibrahim" and you will find the answer to your question.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Abdullah what is your point? So Muslims can keep dogs to hunt, and if their saliva gets on your food it doesn't nullify wudoo. However a blind person keeping a dog, or someone that has one as a friend, or as a guardian and it gets into your house ... well then this is a major sin. Just goes to show the inane hypocrisy, and insanity of Islam. Silly stuff wouldn't you agree?
This site has featured, on many different occasions during the past five years, news stories out of different parts of the Islamosphere that have made it clear that under sharia Muslims are permitted to use dogs for hunting and guarding - i.e. out of strict necessity - but that they are forbidden to keep them simply as *pets*, and that dogs are indeed counted as 'unclean', najis.
There are numerous hadith on which these rulings and attitudes are based, but for the moment I will leave it to Mr Ibrahim and Mr Spencer to link them in so everyone can see and read.
There is also much evidence from non-Muslim travellers in the Islamosphere, both past and present, that many ordinary Muslims in various countries - e.g. Malaysia - treat dogs with fear, disgust, contempt and deliberate cruelty. Black dogs are feared as being associated with 'Satan'.
Despite the pressure from Islamic teaching, the ancient bond between humans and dogs is such that there are exceptions - there are Muslims who have pet dogs, just as many Muslims do not observe the full sharia ban on music. But in Iran, taking your pet dog for a walk in the park can get you arrested by the religious police.
Muslims in the UK have protested - and claimed religious reasons for doing so - at the very idea of their being touched by sniffer dogs at airports and railway stations; they have protested at the idea of police dogs entering the home in the course of a police raid; and Muslim prisoners in the UK have complained about the use of dogs to sniff prisoners' rooms and belongings in the course of attempts to find illicit drugs.
Non-Muslims in airports and railway stations are routinely sniffed by dogs; non-Muslim suspected criminals or convicted criminals have their houses or their prison cells searched by sniffer dogs; none have set up an outcry on grounds of offence to their religion, in the way that Muslims have done.
As for Mr Ibrahim's credentials: new visitors to this site should click on his name where it appears in the bar that runs across the top of this page, directly under the 'Jihadwatch' logo.
For those who won't bother to do that, here's part of his CV as given there:
"Raymond Ibrahim is a historian and writer on the Middle East and Islam, and author of The Al-Qaeda Reader (Doubleday, 2007).
"Born in the U.S. to Coptic Egyptian parents, he was raised in a blingual environment, and is fluent in Arabic.
"He was educated at California State University, Fresno (BA and MA in History, dual-minor in English and Philosophy), where he studied closely under Victor Davis Hanson, and has done graduate work in the Center for Contemporary Arab Studies of Georgetown University."
He produced 'The Al-Qaeda Reader', an anthology of discourses produced by Al-Qaeda for 'in-house' use in the Muslim world. That is: not what Al-Qaeda says to outsiders, to non-Muslims, in English, but what they say to their fellow Muslims.
Note well the fact that Mr Ibrahim is a fluent speaker of Arabic.
Greetings:
One of the books that shapes my thinking about Islam and Muslims is Philip Carl Slazman's "Culture and Conflict in the Middle East."
If I understood him correctly, he attributes much of the behavior of Middle Easterners to the Arab nomadic tribal culture of that region which subsequently became the birth culture of Islam. He posits that the nomads were and are resistant to the constraints on their behavior associated with the more sedentary peasant culture. Something along the lines of you have your farm and I have my herds; I will kill you and go. (Not a terribly enlightened interpersonal technique.) He further explains that the nomadic culture benefits from growing herds and human population, both of which will eventually require more geography. Thus, the nomadic culture is inherently more predatory than the sedentary one. Thus, the nomads, or now Muslims, are acculturated to push until someone pushes back.
Obviously, this is not a cultural dynamic that the Western Euro-centric cultures either share or, seemingly, understand. This is further complicated by coming after a generation of "victim rights" propaganda. The result is that we are back on our cultural heels when it comes to dealing with the tribal/Muslim mindset.
Abdullah Mikail:
Why didn't you comment on your very own thread, dedicated to you and you alone?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023145.php
Meanwhile, I am aware that you have called out Raymond, and not me, but I don't know if he is around. He will answer you if he chooses to do so, but after your recent series of threats, detailed in the post linked above, I am not inclined to stand idly by while you attempt to hoodwink readers.
You are claiming that Raymond is wrong in saying that Muslims are forbidden to have contact with dogs, and invoke your hunting dog and the halal meat it brings you (do cook it first, old man -- you know what they say about uncooked meats) as proof.
The answer to this inept attempt at playing "Gotcha" is elementary, and is found in, among other places, this hadith:
And similarly:
And:
And:
There are many, many other related ahadith, but that's enough for now. So Muhammad ordered dogs to be killed, except hunting dogs and guard dogs. Why did Muhammad issue such an order? Because, as you well know, dogs are unclean and even repel angels, cf. this statement of Muhammad:
Abdullah Mikail, you constantly impugn the work we do here on false pretenses. You have called me a liar for invoking Islamic authorities who aren't strict enough for you, and wording things in a way you don't like. You have repeatedly threatened that this site will soon be shut down for illegalities that exist only in your own mind. And despite straining mightily, you have never, ever documented even a single actual inaccuracy in anything we have said here.
Abdullah Mikail, you're a liar and a thug.
Robert Spencer
Here are some of the Hadith concerning dogs. They sound pretty hostile.
"Once Gabriel promised the Prophet (that he would visit him, but Gabriel did not come) and later on he said, 'We, angels, do not enter a house which contains a picture or a dog.'"
(Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 54, no. 450)
And Sahih Muslim, Muslim #5248, relating the same episode:
"Maimuna reported that one morning Allah’s Messenger was silent with grief.
Maimuna said: Allah’s Messenger, I find a change in your mood today.
Allah’s Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me tonight, but he did not meet me.
By Allah, he never broke his promises, and Allah’s Messenger spent the day in this sad mood.
Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot.
He commanded and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it at that place.
When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night.
He ['Gabriel'] said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture.
Then on that very morning he [Mohammed] commanded the killing of the dogs
until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed,
but he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields or big gardens."
"Ibn Mughaffal reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ordered killing of the dogs, and then said: What about them, i. e. about other dogs? and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time."
(Sahih Muslim, bk. 2, no. 551)
Sahih Muslim also contains the following in Book 10, Chapter 31:
Book 010, Number 3809:
Ibn 'Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) giving command for killing dogs.
Book 010, Number 3810:
Ibn 'Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) ordered to kill dogs, and he sent (men) to the corners of Medina that they should be killed.
Still more negative stuff about dogs:
From Bukhari Vol. 3, #515 (hadith):
"Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily,
unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." (a "Qirat" is vaguely defined as a "mountain"--in other words, a whole heap)
The presence of dogs is also believed to annul prayers:
From Bukhari Vol. 1, #490 (hadith):
"Narrated 'Aisha: "The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs."
Anyone who travels with a dog is said to forgo the protection of Angels (hence the ban on seeing-eye dogs):
From Muslim, #5276 (hadith):
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: "Angels do not accompany the travelers who have with them a dog and a bell".
You're not that smart, aren't you Wild Jew?
All it takes is to click on Raymond's name at the top of the page.
It's clear common sense isn't a high priority on your list.
Don't worry Robert, we are not hoodwinked by the lying Abdullah. We've read his lies before, know he is full of himself and are aware that he never backs up what he says.
One thing I thought was interesting was that he didn't attack Raymond on the subjects of alcohol or pork products. Guess Raymond must be telling the truth, but then having read the thousands and thousands of articles that you've provided from major news sources for almost five years now, I already knew that.
Robert Spencer must be really steamed because he didn't sign off to Abdullah Mikhail "Cordially." Nor should he have.
Abdullah Mikhail: You are tedious. Deceitful. A buffoon.
Mikey "Abdullah Mikail" Mackay wasn't getting enough attention trolling over at FPM, so now he wanders over here to JW making all kinds of inflammatory statements to gain attention like some petulant child. But Mikey isn't an Islamic scholar - he teaches at a tiny Islamic elementary school in Texas. How many best-selling books have you written, Mikey?
Mikey is free to worship Mohammad and his fairy tale moon god as he sees fit. There is no reason, however, to give assclowns like him free space on JW to spew their venom, especially considering his recent threats. Time for a ban, I say.
Go back to comment trolling at FPM, Mikey.
Yeah, I vote for a ban. His traveling "I love me" wall is really boring.
Note well the fact that Mr Ibrahim is a fluent speaker of Arabic.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at October 19, 2008 9:14 PM
Raymond, I would like to know the literal meaning of "al-Taqiyya." Thank You.
Darcy
I don't know if Raymond is around, but literally it means "covering" or "concealing," i.e., "dissimulation."
Cordially
Robert Spencer
So according to Adullah M. - you can say "abrah kadabrah" and the doggy germs are impotent? That is just so silly - I'm sorry - I'm laughing at his "religion"(?)
All of that mean stuff about dogs above is such a crock of sh**.
Mohammed - you were a mental case, a liar and a thug. One of your 21st century followers is here, "Abdullah," exhibiting the same characteristics.
Abdullah Mikail, you're a liar and a thug.
Robert Spencer
you go, RS!
Hi Robert,
Since you're answering questions, would you tell me where I can find in my Koran the passage about Mohammad murdering the 800 or so Qureshi Jews? I just can't seem to find that.
Isabella
It was Muhammad's first biographer, Ibn Ishaq, who said that Muhammad killed between 600 and 900 of the Jews of the Banu Qurayzah.
The only reference to this incident in the Qur'an is very oblique and uninformative: “And those of the People of the Book who aided them — Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. So that some you slew, and some you made prisoners” (Qur’an 33:26).
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Oh I see. Well that's good..I'm not losing my mind! I was looking and looking for that. Thank you.
Mr "Slave of Allah," or Abdullah:
First, since Robert and others have responded regarding your "hunting dog" caveat, I won't bother. However, I am curious: is that all you found in my piece that was "wrong" -- dogs? What about the general gist of the piece, Islamic hypocrisy by moving to the West and then complaining about wanting to follow sharia -- the same sharia that also commands Muslims not to willingly go live with infidels in the first place? What about that, the fundamental point of the piece?
Yea, "Wild Jew," as others have pointed out: click on the link.
Darcy, yes, as Robert indicated, taqiyya, as a doctrine, means dissimulation. It's etymology goes to Koran 3:28, where it appears in verb form and means "to fear" and to be "cautious of." "Taqi" still means fear in Arabic and is often used to admonish fellow Muslims to "fear Allah," "Itaqi Allah." As a doctrine, however, it means to deceive when in fear, etc.
You gotta love how Abdullah Mikail signs his posts off:
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
He ought to change it to:
Crap
Abdullah Mikail
What's interesting is the fact that Robert Spencer's post, which destroys Abdullah Mikail's idiotic nonsense, clearly and ironically demonstrates how much more a non-Muslim knows than a Muslim when it comes to Islam. Spencer then points out the inaccuracies in Abdullah Mikail's arguments and the utter hypocrisy of his position, at least theologically, and I can bet Abdullah Mikail won't have the guts to say how wrong he was. Indeed he is a gutless liar.
Well done Robert.
Darcy, yes, as Robert indicated, taqiyya, as a doctrine, means dissimulation. It's etymology goes to Koran 3:28, where it appears in verb form and means "to fear" and to be "cautious of." "Taqi" still means fear in Arabic and is often used to admonish fellow Muslims to "fear Allah," "Itaqi Allah." As a doctrine, however, it means to deceive when in fear, etc.
Posted by: Raymond Ibrahim at October 19, 2008 10:23 PM
OK! Thank You both - RS and RI!
He ought to change it to:
Crap
Abdullah Mikail
LOL!!!!! Thanks for a great laugh!
AM has become our resident trouble maker & poster child - and I do mean CHILD - as to why we all need to keep-on-keepin-on with our fight against Sharia, Islam and the like.
AM, your brand of Truth is anything BUT the truth, so if you want to get real, then start by signing off like this:
Liar
Abdullah Mikail :-(
Hey darcy - I see that we are thinking alike tonight, LOL!
You're very welcome Darcy.
Let's just hope Abdullah ("Crap") Mikail has a sense of humour. I doubt it though.
Oops...I mean S Perry and I are thinking alike, my bad.
Hey darcy - I see that we are thinking alike tonight, LOL!
Posted by: champ at October 19, 2008 10:38 PM
I'm still cracking up! I mean, it's the PERFECT sign-off for 'ol Abdullard!
Oops...I mean S Perry and I are thinking alike, my bad.
Posted by: champ at October 19, 2008 10:40 PM
Um, I have a sneaking suspicion that WE are "thinking alike," too - as usual!
That's all good Champion champ. Great minds think alike!
The Muslim terror and hatred of dogs is quite real on the ground. They're apparently learning something from somewhere.
Hijabis in the area recoil in exaggerated terror, shielding their children, from people calmly walking their dogs in public, while their husbands scowl as menacingly as possible at the perpetrator and his pet. You can really see the barely restrained desire to hurt the animal and punish his owner.
As I have two very large, very well-trained dogs, I command them to sit politely if fearful, hostile Muslims pass by. The heartbreaking thing is the kids always look back unhappily, even as their mothers hiss and yank them away.
The only other people "thinking" alike on this blog are Abdullah Mikail and Wild Jew - they're idiots of the highest order and don't really think that much anyway.
I'm sure they could happily start up a conversation with each other. Wouldn't that be a laugh to listen to?!
Here's dhimmi Sony recalling their new playstation because Mohammedans are "offended."
How in the world did things get this far?
http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/religious-outcry-sparks-littlebigrecall/1257227
Honestly, why are you guys bagging on WildJew? He just wanted to know who Raymond was. Who here hasn't been guilty of opening their mouth before doing his homework? I know I have! All WildJew needed to do was click the name. Just cut him a little slack I think he has posted here enough for us to know he wears a white hat. I have to ask this though now that we are on the subject. Is the vulture in Raymonds picture intended symbolism. Like Raymond is guarding western society from Islam the vulture, or is it just a pet?
We have been finding out why they are coming to our countries to live, despite our despicable culture. Money, invasion, these are two reasons.
There is another more innocent reason, I believe; that they are somewhat in awe of us, and have been educated reading some Western classics and think we have fine minds and they can learn from us. They admire our creativity,our freedom, they envy us our climate, so moderate compared to theirs, they think the sexes sem to get on well...
But after they get here, things change. They hang around together, go to the mosque. They look at our half-naked girls with dismay. They miss the monocultural atmosphere, the comfortable concensus of their old cultures. They tire of the Western emphasis on hard work. They get homesick.
Or worse, they start to hate us, or even simply listen to others who hate us. I have heard of Muslims going home to their (to us) desolate countries because they hate it here.
But that is them. What of us? Why do we keep on taking these difficult, dangerous immigrants? What is the "root cause" of our ongoing, reckless immigration policy? Why are our politicians lying to us, for they clearly are. To get votes? Could that be all? Are they being bullied? By whom? I feel (hopefully) that if we can get to the root cause of our folly we might be able to start doing something.
Because we can't just talk, even though talking helps.
Wow this has proven to be one of the most interesting comment sections I have read on JW.
I have only one thing to add...
All dogs go to heaven!!!
But that is them. What of us? Why do we keep on taking these difficult, dangerous immigrants? What is the "root cause" of our ongoing, reckless immigration policy? Why are our politicians lying to us, for they clearly are. To get votes? Could that be all? Are they being bullied? By whom? I feel (hopefully) that if we can get to the root cause of our folly we might be able to start doing something.
Because we can't just talk, even though talking helps.
Posted by: PG [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 19, 2008 11:18 PM
I'm not positive about this but I believe our immigration policies are dictated to some extent by the despicable, corrupt, putrid United Nations. We're probably not legally obligated to comply with their demands to accept specified numbers of third world savages (muslims), but since the State Department and most of the Washington elite just adore the worthless U.N., they bend over backwards to do their "share" by dumping some of the surplus people of the benighted, undeveloped world in small American towns and big American cities, where they wreak havoc on the natives and create numerous problems. The desolate places these immigrants call home produce nothing but the last thing the world needs----millions of illiterate, radical muslim maniacs.
It is very obvious that some sort of a master plan has been in effect for decades involving the mass importation of non-Western people into Western societies. This is what the pundits and politicians constantly refer to in glowing terms as diversity and multiculturalism, the two defining reasons for America's greatness according to them. Most Americans have been brainwashed into parroting this canard as if it were a divine decree sent down from heaven. Nobody ever asked me if I wanted my society turned into a multicultural, Balkanized jungle and I have never seen a referendum on this issue. Multiculturalism isn't mentioned in the Constitution, so when did it become the official, legal policy of the United States, and by whose decree?
The illustrious social engineers of the political and academic elite have concluded that the white race is responsible for all of the world's evils and they have been working feverishly for decades to eliminate the white majority populations in all Western countries. This sounds very radical, I know, but all you have to do is look at the immigration trends of Europe, Canada, and the United States over the last thirty years and what do you see? I am old enough to recognize and actually see the drastic demographic changes in this country but if you want a real eye-opener, check the statistics from about 1970 to present day. They will shock you.
Whites comprise less than 10% of the global population. Now that's a real minority, wouldn't you say? Yet we are told every day of our lives that we must defer to "minorities" in the United States to ensure that they are not deprived of their rights. There are so many special interest minority groups that I can't count them all but in a few years, whites will be the minority in America, just as planned. Their ultimate goal is to eliminate the white race entirely and when the U.S., Europe, and Canada are finally transformed into third-world dumps, everyone will live happily ever after.
Dear friends, I hate to do this because Robert Spencer asked me not to. But if you want to know some of the horrible facts about Muhammad, ask me for "The Perfect Man". It's a powerpoint slide show that depicts the founder of Islam. It's extremely graphic though and, of course, absolutely free.
knightemplar2@hotmail.com
Being a thug and a liar seems almost a prerequisite to being an Islamist.
"All Muslims who freely migrate to the West must understand that they can’t have it both ways — that they can’t have their cake and eat it, too."
The politician who says this and means it and is prepared to run on this platform and to implement it if elected will win in a landslide.
Posted by: PMK
PMK,
Any Politician in the UK, who dared to question Islam in the UK would win in a landslide. Our main three completely body swerve this topic as any discussion on Islam would lose them minority votes.
We've had discussions on the BNP and yes they are addressing the situation but like I've continually said they are only a fringe party, receiving an exceptionally small percentage of the minority poll.
The BNP have successfully been demonised in the UK. Richard Barnbrook an 'elected' councillor in the General Assembley in London is completely ostracised. In meetings, people do not sit next to him. When he speaks he is ignored, but is allowed to be there because he was elected by people in a borough of London.
In a nutshell, our left wing media has complete control, favouring their own agenda over democracy. He was voted in by the people of London and yet the Mayor and other members of the London Assembly are behaving abysmally, like children in a school playground.
Maybe in America, people would vote for a politician who said the above, but here in the UK, that's a 'no no' and instant Political death. Our Politicians would rather damn the Indigenous population and fellow British from Ethnic minorities in order to keep their relations with the Saudi princes.
I was also reading in the paper that the proposed Super Mosque to be built next to the Olympic Stadium in East London is going ahead even though I was of sound mind that the building proposals had been denied. You may have heard of it - The Tablighi Jamaat Super Mosque
Here we go
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3087362.ece
Update
Vargo accompanied his 18-year-old owner Mahomed-Abraar Khatri to his local mosque in Leicester
http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/909/first-guide-allowed-to-enter-uk-mosque/
Richard the Lionheart
Some of the members of the London Assembly even turn their back to him when he speaks
And just recently
Tories, Labour, Lib-Dems, Greens and other Tweedle-Dee Tweedle-Dum parties on the Greater London Assembly were all shocked last week when the only GLA member to oppose their motion on granting amnesty to illegal immigrants was the BNP’s Richard Barnbrook.
Refusing to bow to their demands to betray Britain, Mr Barnbrook spoke out fiercely against the motion, put forward by the Greens on the GLA.
A plenary session of the London Assembly saw the two Green members put forward a motion supporting an amnesty for the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants currently residing in London.
Of course, these so-called ‘Greens’ are not environment friendly at all, as they refuse to see the destruction that mass immigration has on the environment about which they claim to care so much.
Mr Barnbrook pointed out that Britain didn’t have the resources to sustain unlimited levels of population growth and stealth immigration.
Predictably, Labour’s Navin Shah accused Mr Barnbrook of engaging in a “deplorable rant” and group leader John Biggs described his comments as “disgusting.”
The leading Tory on the GLA, Richard Barnes, also attacked the BNP for daring to oppose the motion, but then in typical cowardly Tory style, abstained when the vote came. His fellow Tories did however vote in favour of the motion, and it was passed with only the BNP voting against it.
According to the motion, the GLA will now “make representations to the UK Government in support of such a regularisation.”
"...but prepare to assimilate — that is, compromise — to some degree. It’s a simple question of priorities."
What a good way to classify the "moderate" Muslims. They have to make compromises and ASSIMILATE.
...and then start reading the Bible.
From article: Or, could it be that, despite all the ruckus (and subsequent headlines) made by these Muslims, living in accordance to Allah and his sharia is not their first priority, after all?
This would mean then that most Mohammadan immigrants are not 'good' Mohammadans at all.
We are getting the worst of the lot, Mohammadans that are not quite so 'good'.
Right Abdulla??
From above: 'Abdullah Mikail, you're a liar and a thug'.
And another swami once said, 'When it's time to punch the man in the nose, punch the man in the nose'...Abdullas time had come....
OK, thanks. I will check him out.
Abdullah Mikail,
Sharia strict Muslims do not come near a dog - the examples we have seen are too many to list.
I have news for you Abdullah, you are a compromised Muslim. You have stepped on the Sharia script with your shoes on and do not feel bad you are not alone. I have seen Muslims who drink alcohol, Muslims who eat pork meat and all kinds of Muslims who compromise the Sharia.
No, I am not talking about moderate Muslims - there are many Muslims that pretend to be devout Muslims but compromise the Sharia law and step on its scripts with shoes on as soon as they are inconvenienced by anything and you are considered to be one of them.
Despite stepping on the Sharia script with shoes on they still consider themselves devout Muslims.
Please don't ban the troll 'slave of allah'. He provides a perfect example of the unadulterated arrogance and imbecilic logic that only a bigoted muslim infected with the islamic supremacy mind-code could muster in such abundance. Bravo, abdullah...
Yea, "Wild Jew," as others have pointed out: click on the link.
Posted by: Raymond Ibrahim at October 19, 2008 10:23 PM
I've got a question Raymond. You may think this a nonsensical question. I do not question your integrity or your scholarship. I am sorry if I seemed to be disrespectful. This is my question.
Many of the 'heroes' in the Bible either changed their names or altered their names. Abram or Avram was changed Abraham or (Hebrew) Avraham is one example. Jacob to Israel is another. Why not change your name to Abraham rather than Ibrahim?
According to Wikipedia on line encyclopedia:
"Ibrāhīm (Arabic: ابراهيم), the biblical patriarch Abraham (circa born between 1900 BC to 1861 BC – died between 1814 BC to 1716 BC), is an important prophet in Islam. He is the son of Azar and the father of the Prophet Ismail (Ishmael), his firstborn son. Ibrahim is considered the Father of the Prophets. Ibrahim is commonly termed Khalil Allah, or "Friend of (Allah)".
"Islam regards many of the biblical patriarchs as prophets of Allah, and hence as Muslims (i.e., monotheists). Ibrahim is regarded as a Hanif (meaning a discoverer of monotheism without being taught by a messenger)."
Now you might find fault with this question. Do you believe Avraham was Muslim?
Well I, for one, am mighty proud that I own not one but TWO very big, very black, VERY protective dogs! And all the expenses of buying and keeping them, all the time devoted to training them will have been well worth it if it will result in just one jihadi staying away from me and my family! (And I plan to breed them, just to 'spread the wealth' around, as Nobama would say!)
Richard the Lionheart,
First, let me thank you for giving me more info on the BNP. I was unaware of the things you posted on an earlier thread.
That being said, WHY would it be a political no-no and instant death for anyone from Labour, the Tories or Liberal Democrats to demand assimilation? It's not just about people who were born in Britain. There must be Indians and people from all parts of what was once the British Empire who have moved to Britain and assimilated successfully. What ABOUT the native-born population? The leftists may control the media but why does that matter? Put the leftists and those who seek sharia on one side. To put it bluntly, there are more of you than there are of them. (Aren't there?) Why aren't the people able to demand and get leadership that represents THEM? The parliamentary system would seem to offer the best chance of that happening. Here, people run under one banner or the other. You should be able to have representation for your side. Let people fling around the r-word. Why should you care? Aren't you as entitled to representation as any Muslim?
You and others who post here understand the danger Islam poses. But many people on both sides of the Atlantic would rather turn their heads rather than risk losing their liberal credentials.
I've said it more than once on this site but I'll say it again: we get the government we deserve.
@PMK said:
...we get the government we deserve...
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I used to say that too but now that I'm REALLY paying attention to the issues and not letting the 'mainstream for obama media' form my opinions, I have to disagree with that statement. WE don't get the government we deserve...the great UNINFORMED get the government they deserve and WE get dragged along for the ride!! Hope...Change...SOCIALISM!!!
mepeteart,
You may be right but "we" is "the people". The uninformed may be dragging us down with them but that opens the question: why do we know so much and they don't? Is there something we could have done to "spread the wealth", as it were?
Robert is doing his part but he is one man.
So in the end even WE get the government we deserve. Don't forget, this isn't all since 2001. There have been decades of policies enacted that built up to this. Look at the people who represent you in Congress. What are they doing to earn your vote? Do you vote for them out of habit? We can't escape our own responsibility for the fix we are in.
Why not change your name to Abraham rather than Ibrahim?
Posted by: Wild Jew at October 20, 2008 10:11 AM
I didn't think it was possible for you to outdo yourself with a thoughtless post in this thread, but you managed to do just that.
Raymond should change his Arabic given surname? Did you actually read the profile? Are you suggesting that he should distance himself from his upbringing as an Eqyptian Copt because it is too similar to Islam in your estimation?
You are off the reservation.
Awake, it was not a thoughtless post in the least. Not at all.
A Coptic physician, that immigrated from Egypt, treated my late father. Egyptian Copts embraced Christianity in the first century.
Awake, we both know you don't like my politics. Don't we? Aren't you the one that took issue with my views earlier? Why would I expect you to not take issue with my question?
Mr. Ibrahim,
Good point to raise on the purpose of immigration by Muslims to other areas.
What is the only real reason it should be done?
Care to educate your audience on that one? Hint, you can start at “dawah”. Take it from here Raymond.
When you underline the true reason and only reason Muslims should immigrate to Non Muslims areas then you get my stamp of approval on “hypocritical” immigrants, those who immigrate for the wrong reasons: wealth, status, etc.
And there is no legislation that I know of that forbids owning dogs, I am only aware of that which delineates the legality of owning them. I said nothing about other restrictions on keeping dogs, such as the warning that yes, a person’s reward is reduced when keeping dogs other than for the necessity of hunting and guarding, and that Angels will not visit a house where dogs are kept.
And Robert, I am surprised at you! Calling someone a liar and a thug…I say that’s a simple bias projection…on the subject of alcohol I clearly proved you were a liar in public, and the record stand on that. Yes, maybe there was no intention for you to mislead, and thus you weasel your way out of being a “liar” but in that sense you prove your own ignorance and loose the lauded FPM title “Islamic Scholar”.
Which is it? Liar? Or Ignorant?
You, Robert, are leaning, I think, towards ignorant…equally damning I would say.
Ignorant of more things than you know.
Truth (it is what you can prove)
Abdullah Mikail
Yea, Wild Jew; I didn't think it was a "heartless post."
Awake, we both know you don't like my politics. Don't we? Aren't you the one that took issue with my views earlier? Why would I expect you to not take issue with my question?
Posted by: Wild Jew at October 20, 2008 11:57 AM
I do not recall what you are referring to. What politics of your's are you talking about, that I supposedly do not like?
Your question was inane and not worthy of an answer. A simple apology to Raymond from you after your loose statement initially on this thread would've sufficed.
I declare a boycott on responding to this troll (although I know I'm guilty of feeding DEFENDEROF ISLAM because he's just so damn hilarious) and reading/watching the MSM because they enable our evil politicians. Washington Times is still cool, as is FOX News, especialy after Hannity's expose on Obama last night. I had been waiting for someone to bring Wright back up, and to bring up Khalidi and Davis forever.
On the subject of Muslims who supposedly assimilate it's been my experience that they're trying to seem human to us infidels for the purpose of Dawa and then when you tell them that you find Islam repugnant they find someone else to try to con. They're not genuinely assimilating, just trying to come across as modern and moderate for the purpose if slow Jihad.
Some are on their way out of Islam and just need some infidel hand-holding. It's very easy o distinguish the two types. The former is fake. They are incapable of genuinely complimenting another human being except to kiss their ass to feed their fragile egos. These are the hardcore, malignantly narcissistic, dead-cow/cult-member-eyed zombies. They can never genuinely interact with others.
The rest are good people and it shines through. Genuineness can't be faked, neither can a good heart. I have a couple of friends, a Saudi couple no less, who are like that. The only thing that makes them Muslims is that she prays and they don't drink or eat pork. I don't drink or eat pork (or any animals) either so that's not weird to me. They're raising their son to be as American as apple pie, and the husband (who now goes by Zack!) is more obsessed with technology than anyone I've ever met. They won't even be cultural Muslims in 5 years. It's a matter of recognizing that their culture is failed, hopeless and inferior. Once they get it then the seed is planted. Islam can't survive the light of day. It survives among enclosed populations. It's not a coincidence that the Ikhwan, in their plan for taking over the free world, emphasizes the creation of Muslim enclaves (or infidel no-go zones) in cities. Once they realize that they're using all of our technology and doing everything infidels do and that maybe this is way better than a 7th-century barbarian culture it's over. I also think that knowing people like me, whose parents came from nothing and who then made amazing lives for themselves proves that upward mobility is a real phenomenon here and the Muslim zero-sum approach to succes is absolute crap compared to the Judeo-Christian work ethic. There's no upward mobility in their culture, and the lack of a work ethic just causes a circular effect between the two. Another reason why our culture is superior. It's the reason why AM won't move to some Islamic paradise. It's the reason why Abul Kasem friend to whom he often refers says that he likes Islam in infidel countries, but back in Bangladesh Islam is nightmarish and stifling. It's about FREEDOM.
It's about not giving in to Sharia, is what I'm saying. Islam will run its course if kids, Muslim and infidel, get real educations and learn what's so great about our culture, experience upward mobility and how rewarding hard work can be, and recognize how superior the free world is. If you had the choice, which would you choose? I thank my lucky stars every day that I'm American. Our kids, as well as their kids, should too because we have a lot to be grateful for.
Neither was your question "thoughtless", Wild Jew.
"When you underline the true reason and only reason Muslims should immigrate to Non Muslims areas then you get my stamp of approval on “hypocritical” immigrants, those who immigrate for the wrong reasons: wealth, status, etc."
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 20, 2008 12:42 PM
Prove it Abby. Provide proof that Dawah is requisite and the sole reason for Muslims immigrating to non-Muslim lands? Since you already admitted that not all Muslims immigrate for the same reason, ones you have deemed as hypocritical, prove that those who immigrate are essentially taking one for the team, doing the dirty work that other Muslims are wont to do.
Maybe those who remain in their Muslim lands are simply following Qur'an 109:1-6?
"And Robert, I am surprised at you! Calling someone a liar and a thug…I say that’s a simple bias projection…on the subject of alcohol I clearly proved you were a liar in public, and the record stand on that."
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 20, 2008 12:42 PM
What's with all the secrecy in this bravado? Prove it, Abby. As the Qur'an 2:111 says, "Bring thy proof, if ye be truthful!
"The rest are good people and it shines through. Genuineness can't be faked, neither can a good heart. I have a couple of friends, a Saudi couple no less, who are like that. The only thing that makes them Muslims is that she prays and they don't drink or eat pork. I don't drink or eat pork (or any animals) either so that's not weird to me. They're raising their son to be as American as apple pie, and the husband (who now goes by Zack!) is more obsessed with technology than anyone I've ever met. They won't even be cultural Muslims in 5 years."
jdamn, I'd say you showed yourself to be able to be fooled big time. So every Muslim who is nice must be okay? Genuineness and a good heart can be faked, all the more so with gullible and sentimental people. Their son is obsessed with technology eh? Hm, isn't that what most young Muslim immigrants study? Why are they all obsessed with engineering and technology?
I bet if you sat them down and politely but firmly asked them a series of questions about Islam, with good follow-ups along the way, always remaining polite but also firm and never yielding ground, that good and genuine couple would start to squirm, start to tell you obvious lies about Islam, start to dance all over the place, then begin to reveal that in fact they are paranoid about America and the West, that 911 was an inside job, and soon enough they would get hostile.
Sorry to say this, but in my estimation it's people like you who will be a golden opportunity for sleeper cells to set up shop in the heartland of America.
Dear awake,
Too true, I should provide proof right, not just call someone a liar as Robert did, right?
Here:
Robert,
"You have always been free to publish your lies and distortions here, and have them scrutinized by others."
There you go calling names again. Prove it.
I can prove you are a liar...can you do the same?
Here Robert you were called out for lying:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/GoPostal/commentdetail.aspx?GUID=da1e80cd-91aa-4d39-bb16-c0ae320fa2e0&commentID=25000eb7-2d2a-4edb-89a4-cd786e0585fb
You slipped into stealth mode and printed a retraction under the radar, and I noted it here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/GoPostal/commentdetail.aspx?GUID=da1e80cd-91aa-4d39-bb16-c0ae320fa2e0&commentID=6c269a8d-8d2b-4961-88ec-5881ee5528f6
You may like to cast about and name call, but Robert, can you prove it? No you can't.
I just did Robert...I don't have to call you a liar, becuase you are publically proven to be a liar.
What do you have to say about that?
Yes, I am a provacetuer, yes I like to play head games, yes I am determined to expose you for what you are...you can fool many, you don't fool me...but no, I am not a liar.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Abdullah:
You are, I'm afraid, claiming too much credit for yourself.
Both of my formulations there are absolutely true. In the first I was thinking of the principle of darura, and of obeying the laws of the land one is in when Muslims are a minority and Sharia is not in force -- would you deny this is an Islamic principle? But I thought after awhile that that might be unclear, given the prohibition that is now being pressed in the U.S., so I clarified it.
You will, of course, continue with your grandiose claims that I "corrected" this "false statement" because of you, but I have no interest in your fantasies.
Robert Spencer
Your question was inane and not worthy of an answer. A simple apology to Raymond from you after your loose statement initially on this thread would've sufficed.
Posted by: awake at October 20, 2008 1:27 PM
You've not explained why the question was inane. Why is it any more inane than to ask Robert Spencer why he does not convert to Judaism, something I have long wondered?
I told Raymond, I meant no disrespect. If I wounded his feeling then I am sorry.
How about explaining yourself. Otherwise why not hold your peace?
The question, "Why do Muslims come to America?" is like asking "Why do children obey their parents?" BECAUSE THEY ARE TOLD TO!!!
Imams in all Muslim countries tell their listeners what to do, what to think, what to believe! Hasn't it been proven by statistics that nearly every country in the world is now populated by Muslims and growing larger daily? Countries like Sweden, Estonia, Holland, France, Pacific islands, etc. which never had Muslims until recently, are now overrun with them!
Why would any person living in a warm, Mediterranean climate even want to move to a cold, icy land like Sweden or Estonia? BECAUSE THEY ARE TOLD TO POPULATE ALL COUNTRIES SO THE EVENTUAL CALIPHATE WILL HAVE HELP! The Muslims aren't going to take over the world with terrorists! They are going to do it with people like the Pilgrims who sow the seed,make friends and pave the way. Then, though acting like peace-loving citizens, they will take up arms against their neighbors when the Imams tell them to. Thousands of Muslims are arriving on our shores daily and no one is doing anything about it. Can't we declare a moratorium on Muslim immigrants?
"You've not explained why the question was inane. Why is it any more inane than to ask Robert Spencer why he does not convert to Judaism, something I have long wondered?"
"How about explaining yourself. Otherwise why not hold your peace?"
Posted by: Wild Jew at October 20, 2008 2:09 PM
I did explain myself by inquiring about your question and the reason behind it.
"Raymond should change his Arabic given surname? Did you actually read the profile? Are you suggesting that he should distance himself from his upbringing as an Eqyptian Copt because it is too similar to Islam in your estimation?"
Posted by: awake at October 20, 2008 11:31 AM
So, I ask again. WHY do you think Raymond should change his surname and also, since I am now watching you implode here on this thread, why you think Robert should convert to Judaism?
And also, since you accused me of something when you wrote:
"Awake, we both know you don't like my politics. Don't we? Aren't you the one that took issue with my views earlier? Why would I expect you to not take issue with my question?"
Posted by: Wild Jew at October 20, 2008 11:57 AM
Please provide proof to support that claim, for I honestly do not recall.
Liar-Coward-Abdullah - I am so glad that Robert posted your private e-mails to him and put you and your veiled threats out on display, because now we can see you for what you truly are: a liar and a coward.
Hey, big man, why don't you give us your real name and show us your face, as Robert has done. Since you want to take on Robert and the Truth, then I think it only fair that you exhibit SOME bravery by revealing your true indentity. BTW, little man, you wouldn't know the Truth if it bit you in the ass.
Liar Coward
Abdullah Mikail
(way more suitable)
To the liar & thug 'Abdullah Mikhail':
Why do Muslim invade the lands of the infidels?
Care to educate your audience on that one? Hint, you can start at “dawah”. Take it from here Raymond.
When you underline the true reason and only reason Muslims should immigrate to Non Muslims areas then you get my stamp of approval on “hypocritical” immigrants, those who immigrate for the wrong reasons: wealth, status, etc.
Abdullah, there is truth in your lies. I believe you. I believe that the soldiers of Allah invade us for the purpose of da'awa, and that you're one of them.
Awake, maybe have you confused for another member. Perhaps. Do you agree with me, President George W. Bush is a traitor? Do you agree with me, what Mr. Bush has done in the Middle East, in particular to Israel, is criminal? Do you agree with me, Bush should have been impeached and tried?
Robert,
"You will, of course, continue with your grandiose claims that I "corrected" this "false statement" because of you, but I have no interest in your fantasies." Whatever Robert...it was very plain to see what happened and even when it happened.
You got busted lying and then went to sweep up behind yourself.
Characterize it any way you like...you took the by line right out of the proof I rubbed your nose in that showed everyone you were:
A. A liar.
B. Ignorant
There is no in between...you took my proof and put it right over the lie I corrected you in.
You are a liar, tried, and convicted...but you did you the public service of correcting it.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
So, I ask again. WHY do you think Raymond should change his surname and also, since I am now watching you implode here on this thread, why you think Robert should convert to Judaism?
Posted by: awake at October 20, 2008 2:22 PM
I think Raymond should consider it. Why not? Why should Robert consider converting to Judaism? Simple. I think he might make a good Jew.
Why else would I suggest someone consider converting to Judaism.
As to my point about "Ibrahim" earlier, it is this. Abraham is Israel's patriarch; not Islam's patriarch. Abraham or Avraham in the Hebrew, is the father of the nation of Israel. Christians claim him by faith. Christianity does not claim Ibrahim, the father of Ishmael and later Islam as their spiritual father.
Abraham's legitimate son and heir was Isaac.
But God said to Abraham, "Do not be distressed because of the lad and your maid; whatever Sarah tells you, listen to her, for through Isaac your descendants shall be named..."
The eternal covenant went through Isaac not Ishmael, the son of "Ibrahim," the prophet of Islam.
I am not imploding. Not in the least.
"Yes, I am a provacetuer, yes I like to play head games, yes I am determined to expose you for what you are...you can fool many, you don't fool me...but no, I am not a liar."
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 20, 2008 1:57 PM
Your examples are so trivial, they are not even worth mentioning. Have a look at your public apologies to Spencer in your dedicated thread that I provided. They are far more revealing.
Robert's position was clear and correct. There is Shari'ah as practiced in Islamic countries and there are Muslims living in secular lands. The distinction is clear and the behaviorial variance is also.
Unfortunately, through your own zeal, you have actually debated yourself into a corner again. You yourself can never deny your preference for secular law over Shari'ah, for to do so, would be to deny Allah and jump on the fast-track to hellfire.
Your e-mails to Robert only belie the very worst part of you, similar to the responses you received and used to villify over at FPM.
In those links you provided, you simply explained away Muslims prohibiting all forms of alcohol and related uses as people wanting to please God. That is why we now see the Somali cab drivers act as they do, which historically Muslims in the US would not have done due to their ineffectual numbers. That is why we never really see any effort of Muslims to assimilate into secular societies anymore.
Why? Because you can't. You are required to actively work to subvert all secular societies to rule under Shari'ah. You prefer to hide behind the facade of Da'wah, but we all know that is laughable.
You made your point loud and clear. Shari'ah supercedes man's law. Man's laws are at odds with Allah. Muslims are at odds with secular governence. I got it. We get it. You serve no purpose to non-Muslims here in the US and are only an inevitable obstacle seeking to revert society back to a 7th century tribal paradise.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Susanp,
Unfortunately, I think your analysis is largely correct. In what appears to be the race-baiting equivalent of the Reichstag fire, the Left uses "anti-racism" to spread its own racism. The Left's message of racist hate is couched in an orgy of diversity and sensitivity verbal detritus which culminates with the "explanation" that's it's not really racism if you're racist against whites. How convenient for the new KKK of the Left. That's what passes for scholarship in the world of William Ayres, Rev Wright, and Loui Farrakhan. And Ayres is working hard to make sure every young person in the United States has the "opportunity" to be taught this kind of institutionalized racism as fact.
The Leftist psychological and ideological war against the United States has also successfully opened a front against American exceptionalism, which I'm glad to see Palin addressing directly. Since most politicians are lawyers, one of the most effective ways to disable the United States government is by accelerating the corruption of legal education. Here's an example of dumbing down America with the growing culture of diverse, sensitive, mediocrity from my area:
http://www.ceousa.org/content/view/623/119/
One doesn't have to look any further than Congress and their work on housing socialism to see how devastatingly effective this strategy has been, and will continue to be unless the trend is reversed.
To sum up, we don't have a political and academic "elite", we have a political and academic effete.
awake,
Quite un unrelated tear.
My point was clearly made,Robert was proven to be a liar, and thus Robert is a liar.
For him to stand up and attempt to teach you about anything Muslism believe is a mine field for him because he doesn't really know.
He lines up as much as he can in the way of proof, and yet falls flat on his face on a simple issue of Fiq....no matter where a Muslim walks on this planet what I posted stands for them.
There are certain things we just do not do, and that is one of them. To do otherwise is disobediecne to God and abandonment of Islam.
I don't sit with drunks, I don't transport alchohol, I don't sell it consume it consume its price. How is that subversive?
You want to be a slobbering drunk?
More power to you...I don't have to sit around and watch, and for Robert to lie and say I do just because I am not in a "Sharia" compliant culture, well, he's a liar....I proved it.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Posted by: Wild Jew at October 20, 2008 2:32 PM
I am no fan of Bush and believe him to be traitorous by his willful misrepresentation of Islam as a religion of peace. He has done so many things wrong it is difficult to count, but what to impeach and try him on? I know not.
Your words of proselytization only serve the more unsavory types around here, gives credence to Islamists from a religious standpoint, and are quite annoying to others who do not share your faith. It is no different than asking you to throw in the towel, stop rejecting Christ as the Messiah and convert to Christianity.
There is no place for that here.
I don't sit with drunks, I don't transport alchohol, I don't sell it consume it consume its price. How is that subversive?
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 20, 2008 3:15 PM
Abdullah, in my view it is commendable that you do not consume wine or any other intoxicating drink. You are better off for it in my view. No doubt you are more healthy for it.
Maybe you are aware, the Bible (or the Hebrew Bible; the Torah for example) appears to permit drinking wine in moderation?
A few years back, our local newspaper did a piece on one of our Islamic Centers. One faithful Muslim told the reporter, when he goes shopping in our local grocery store; if he comes near to the wine section, he has to avert his gaze like an Orthodox Jew might avert his gaze in the presence of a very attractively dressed or seductively dressed woman.
Do you also find yourself doing this? Do you turn your gaze away from looking at the wine section of a grocery store?
What would be the punishment you would prescribe for offenders? How would you punish those who are caught possessing wine or beer or other intoxicating beverage?
Your words of proselytization only serve the more unsavory types around here, gives credence to Islamists from a religious standpoint, and are quite annoying to others who do not share your faith. It is no different than asking you to throw in the towel, stop rejecting Christ as the Messiah and convert to Christianity.
There is no place for that here.
Posted by: awake
What to try Mr. Bush for? Treason. How's that? Giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Bush calls jihadist killers, "men of peace; men of vision," etc. Bush arms and trains jihadists. He gives money to Fatah terrorists and he trains them to murder innocent Jews and they do murder innocent Jews. Bush's peace partner, Mahmoud Abbas, paid a courtesy call to child-murderer, Samir Kuntar, in Lebanon a few weeks back. Abbas is an unrepentant Holocaust denier who calls on the Muslim Arabs to murder Jews. That's treasonous in my view. Isn't it? We are supposed to be at war with the global jihad and Mr. Bush feeds it. Bush pressures our ally Israel to surrender and retreat. That's treasonous.
Why are you talking about proselytizing? I am not persuading or seducing anyone to convert. Why are you annoyed. I have several Christian neighbors ask me to "throw in the towel" and accept Christ. I am fairly routinely warned, if I do not accept Christ as my personal savior, there is no hope or salvation for me. So?
Quite un unrelated tear.
My point was clearly made,Robert was proven to be a liar, and thus Robert is a liar.
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 20, 2008 3:15 PM
Unrelated? Hardly. Your continued droning proclamation about Robert does not make it so. His clarification makes perfect sense in the context of the FPM article about Tyson. There is no "gotcha" moment here. You should try reading it again.
According to your logic, since the Islamic prohibitions on alcohol are no different in the US than in Islamic copuntries than one of the three conclusions must apply.
1 There are no more Muslim cabdrivers in the US.
Not likely.
2 There are no more passengers who drink or carry alcohol patronizing cabs.
As absurd a claim as number one.
3 Muslims forgo a portion of the prohibitions on alcohol in the US where the Muslim community is a noticable minority in order to retain employment in a secular society.
Now that seems plausible.
Unfortunately and with your stubborn, doltish resistence aside, that is not the issue at all. The issue is that the Somali Muslim cab drivers and the Somali food workers at Tyson are attempting to challenge secular law and pushing for religious accommodation with greater propensity in the US.
As the number of Muslims increase in secular societies, so does their pious adherence to Islam. You are no different. You have no choice. Your positions have been shaped and provided for you. I dare you to deny Allah and say that you would not prefer Shari'ah as the law of the land over the secular democracy we now enjoy.
What say you Abby, my way or the Shari'ah highway?
Wild Jew,
Good points, and yes we too are ordered to avert our gaze from those women who expose too much...modesty is not the sole property of Muslims, Jews, Christians, and others also have it.
I don't like to see alcohol anywhere...I choose to shop elsewhere rather than go to places that sell it.
Unless my cirumstance is by emergency and I am required to say buy gas from a place that sells alcohol simply becasue I ran out of gas there...basically if I have no other choice.
If a Musilm violates them then God is the judge for what they will suffer, not any individual or group of individuals.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
I have several Christian neighbors ask me to "throw in the towel" and accept Christ. I am fairly routinely warned, if I do not accept Christ as my personal savior, there is no hope or salvation for me. So?
Posted by: Wild Jew at October 20, 2008 3:41 PM
I am sure you do. I am also sure that you find them equally annoying. Poorly worded questions about Raymond's name or Robert's faith are best avoided here, especially on a thread that began badly for you and has not shown much promise for a ressurection(no pun intended).
I will speak of this no more here. The administrators will do what they will.
As a final word, I hope that "perhaps" you will get around to confirming whether you mistook me for another commenter, your original straw-man characterization of me to which you immediately declared yourself a victim of by me and not by your own words.
Regards.
Well, thanks for opening this up, but sorry you are again trying to pull this off into another tangent.
Awake you wrote, “According to your logic, since the Islamic prohibitions on alcohol are no different in the US than in Islamic copuntries than one of the three conclusions must apply.”
Yes, the personal prohibitions on alcohol apply on every Musilm everywhere. Whether they obey or not is between them and God.
The point was Robert did not know what he was saying and got corrected.
Yes, the ‘gotcha’ moment is when he says: “There is no order” and it is clearly proven that “Yes there is an order.”
It is “1” and “0” logic. 1 does not equal 0.
Your multiple choice is an obfuscation.
The Muslim cabbies are here, some obey God some don’t, people got upset at those who obey. Period.
Your solution is not plausible and is not happening.
The real solution for boozers who want a ride in that case? Get another cab.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
DenverRodeo, I disagree. They're not sleepers. The only thing they say they miss about Saudi Arabia is the food. They love America. They live America. They're citizens because he has dual citizenship, so they're not your average student-visa Muslims. Particularly from her point of view, the educational system is superior. They had to admit that right off the bat. Once they realize that one thing is superior, the rest becomes clear. They LOVE technology. They love that they don't have to paint the windows of their apartment because a woman lives there. They love that they can go to a library and get any book they want. They love satellite TV and Kuwaiti and Turkish (dubbed) soap operas, which are just like Mexican soap operas but less sexy.
They approached me about working on a class project with them because we got into a discussion on the Middle East somehow during a break from class and they were suprised by my lack of ignorance. I found to be very friendly. After we had hung out a few times and I felt comfortable with them I mentioned that I was Jewish, and they were like 'we know, dude.' They knew I was half-Italian and knowing that one can always chalk my nose up to coming from that side of the family. They went back in AUgust and were seriously dreading it. They missed their families and the food, but they listed all the things they would miss, and mentioned how much harder it is to handle a kid without Spongebob and toys (anything that looks like something living is haram, so there's just nothing for toddlers to do or play with).
I can just tell who's a good person and who isn't, and those who are still deeply into the cult immediately come across as cult members. They didn't always, but now I know the difference. It lies in narcissism. One can spot a narcissist because they don't treat people like people or interact normally and naturally. They're always putting on a show. They look at your whole face and not your eyes when they talk to you. You're just a mirror to them, reflecting what they project, not an actual person. You can't really communicate with people like that. And they're not interested in living and associating with a bunch of Muslims like the real cult members are. Those kids are living on campus, even raising their kids in housing for pedophiles, which is horrifying. I never see them talking to other Muslims, not even the other Saudis who were in that class. She wears a headscarf, too, so it's not like they're trying to hide who they are. They're just still in the process of infidelization. You don't come back from that. They know the real Islam and they don't like it.
Abdullah is conveniently ignoring the Islamic principle of darura -- which has frequently been applied in the West to allow Muslims to comply with Western laws and norms. Obviously this has been done more frequently than Abdullah would like, so he is charging me with "lying" when I observe that it has been done, such that the alcohol-carrying Muslim cabbies have not been considered in violation of Islamic law -- except by hardliners like Abdullah who would restrict darura.
Robert Spencer
Robert,
You got busted lying, just admit it.
Your article touched nothing on darura and you know it.
You used your first lie as a segway to bash those devout Muslims who refused to disobey God in things small and great and refused to transport alcohol by trying to make is seem as if there was no prohibition and they were just "forcing" their religion on others.
You got busted lying, just admit it.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Abdullah, I found a piece Hugh Fitzgerald wrote ("Darura") in June 2007. I am only posting part of the piece. I've provided the link below. Can I get your take on it?
".....The unprecedented has now occurred -- millions and now tens of millions of Muslims have been allowed to settle deep within Infidel lands, behind what Muslims themselves are taught to regard as, essentially, enemy lines. Naturally, still weak because far less numerous behind those enemy lines, Muslims in the Infidel lands must prevent those Infidels from examining too closely the texts and tenets of Islam, and figuring out what they mean. They must prevent those Infidels from looking too closely at the history of Islamic Jihad-conquest, and especially at the history of the subsequent subjugation of non-Muslims from Spain to East Asia, over 1350 years. They must prevent Infidels from finding out about Muslim attitudes toward many kinds of artistic expression (sculpture, paintings of living creatures, music) and toward the free and skeptical inquiry that makes science possible, and is everywhere encouraged in the advanced West, and discouraged in Islam. They must keep up a patter of phony sweetness-and-light, and misrepresent Islam as "respecting" Christianity and Judaism.
And Infidels don’t generally know that major figures from both those religions have been appropriated by Islam and turned into Muslims -- for we are all Muslims, right back to Abraham, in the Islamic view. They usually don’t bother to examine what the Islamic "Jesus" and the Islamic "Moses" are, in Islam. Muslim-Christian and Muslim-Jewish "dialogues" become occasions for special pleading and careful taqiyya-and-tu-quoque by Muslim spokesmen, delivered to self-selected groups of Infidels. Those Infidels, meanwhile, are in equal measures ignorant, naive, and self-preening: "We are willing to meet and listen and dialogue with our Muslim brothers -- unlike all those others, the benighted and the bigoted. We are morally superior, and we will demonstrate that moral superiority by taking every occasion to defend 'our Muslim brothers' from those who would divide us."
The beachhead is gained, and the Muslim troops fan out across the new land, ready to spread Islam. They spread it in the prisons among those looking for justification for their alienation from The System, Amerika, Kapitalism, and finding Islam as the perfect vehicle to justify their own past, and possibly future, criminal behavior, and in many cases, to dignify it, draping naked aggression in the cloak of a new faith. And since so many of the undisciplined long not merely for discipline, but for Total Discipline, Islam provides a ready-made Community of Believers, who will enforce, in every way, rules that cover every detail of life. Bush likes to prate about how everyone "wants freedom." It's nonsense. The spirit of wanting to march in serried ranks, of Belonging to the Group (Nuremberg! Hitlerjugend! Jawohl!), and of knowing what one is to do, for every occasion, at every step, is a strong one. There are many who cannot stand or do not know how to use "freedom" (which Bush himself hardly understands), and who long for Authority.
And that is what Islam provides: Authority, the Authority of Allah and the Example of Muhammad, whose life, whose words and deeds serve as a gloss on the will expressed by Allah in the Qur'an.
Blair, as a leading spokesman of the nattering classes (World Leader Division), goes on about a "manageable" problem to which there is a "solution." He wishes tiny, permanently beleaguered Israel, the physical refuge and embodiment of the most persecuted tribe in human history, to pay the price for his inability, and that of others, to dare to come to grips with the menace of Islam. He wants to prolong for a while longer the illusion that the problem arises from something we, the Infidels have done. In this case, the Infidels are those stubborn Israelis, who keep insisting on staying alive, who keep insisting on being able to have a minimum level of defensible borders, who keep insisting -- though not nearly as effectively as they should and could -- that yes, they have legal, historic, and moral rights to this land, that they are the victims of an Arab siege. The Israelis still do not call it, as they should, a Jihad, albeit a Local or Lesser Jihad. The monstrous rewriting of history that has gone on virtually unopposed since the Six-Day War needs itself to be rewritten, and the truth, or much of it, brought back to the consciousness of those in the West who have no idea of it – such as Blair, Rice, and other "two-state" solutionists.
Darura. "Darura" in Arabic means "necessity." The Arabs and Muslims understand this idea. "Necessity" can justify even violating explicit prohibitions. You may, if starving, eat pork, according to some. You may, if you need to protect the faith, lie to Infidels -- lie about Islam itself, lie about your own belief in Islam. There is no further surrender of territory by Israel that will bring about "peace" with the Arab Muslims. The Arabs, and the shock troops of Arab Islam in the Lesser Jihad against Israel, are divided. But they are not divided the way that Blair and Rice and others seem to think. They are not divided, that is, between those who are ready to permanently accept Israel's existence (and what's more, its right to permanent existence) and those who are not.
No. They are divided, rather, between those who are the Slow Jihadists and those who are the Fast Jihadists. The Slow Jihadists are what the media like to repeatedly assure us are the "moderates." How many times have you seen a reporter blandly begin by referring in his dispatch to "the moderate Mahmoud Abbas" or "the moderates of Fatah"? The Homeric epithets here are not singer-of-tales mnemonic devices, but rather part of mental bullying, a deliberate attempt to tell us what to make of facts, not to think for ourselves. Thinking for yourself is discouraged. You must repeat: Abbas “the moderate,” Fatah “the moderates.” You must further be told that what is called the “Two-State Solution” is indeed a “Solution.” If it weren’t, why would such impressive people as Condoleeza Rice or Tony Blair, or the “Quartet” (the Four Horsemen of Israel’s Apocalypse is more like it), call it a “Two-State Solution”?
Let’s get this straight. There is no difference in the ultimate goal of Fatah or of Hamas. Both want Israel as a Jewish state to disappear....."
Read article at: http://jihadwatch.org/archives/016820.php
The real solution for boozers who want a ride in that case? Get another cab.
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 20, 2008 4:12 PM
But that is illegal and has been ruled on as such in Minnesota.
Since you lacked the intestinal fortitude to directly answer the question about your advocacy of Shari'ah over the Constitution in the US, I will try to stae your position for you.
You wrote:
"The real solution for boozers who want a ride in that case? Get another cab."
I gather from your answer that you support the former over the latter and quite frankly, leaves very little room between "moderate" Muslims like yourself and the scimitar-wielding jihadists.
You both seek the same end. The only difference may be the path to get there.
Abdullah Mikail - do you ever get a slightest feelings that MoreSlums are not welcomed here in the West? If you do, then do you ever wondered what could be the reasons for that?
Re-read the above article, and for one moment in your life think of yourself as a non-MoreSlum. Only then you will start to understand what a bunch of useless clowns the MoreSlums really are. If you have ever corrected RS once, that doen't qualify you to be telling us or anybody else 'the truth'. You are a member of the club for MoreSlums only. They are trained to deceit the people around them. You canot deny that.
Can you name us a single non-Islamic nation that Welcomes MoreSlums? I am certain you cannot!
I dare you.
awake,
I guess you forgot that this is America and we here have the right here in our businesses to refuse service to anyone for any reason.
If a state should decide to vote and change this legal right to own and operate ones business in this free market enterprise in a manner of free an open trade with competition...well, then Chairman Mao, start handing out your little gray uniforms and give us our food coupons...the dream is over.
So what will it be for you awake, socialism? Government control of businesses...them telling you who you can and can't serve and how to run your business model?
Or will it be a Constritutional Repubilc that has free and open enterprise in a capitalist system where competition is encouraged?
Seems to me you talk a lot about freedom, but want to force others to do what you want them to do.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
"Truth - Abdullah Mikail"
A great trait of a typical MoreSlum - a self-praising clown.
Wild Jew,
I appreciate the excchange.
'Darura. "Darura" in Arabic means "necessity." The Arabs and Muslims understand this idea. "Necessity" can justify even violating explicit prohibitions. You may, if starving, eat pork, according to some."
Pretty much sums it up, if you are starving, if you have to do it to save your life, then do it, darura.
That basically says it.
It does not cover "oh, because it's inconvenient to me I will abandon it."
It is not a license to do whatever makes your life easier...it is for the saving of life or the preserving of life...not a license to dispense with faith when it pleases one.
God is the source of all things, and that is what one should remember, so if a little difficulty comes your way for choosing to obey Him then it is a blessing, and He is the One who will bring you relief.
It is in keeping one's heart clean and understanding who one is and why one makes the choices one makes that defines one as a Muslim.
It is not convenient most of the time. But such is life for a believer, some say life is like a prison for the believer, and some time I can agree with that.
For me? It makes me free and wealthy and capable and happy...but that's just me.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Oh, that's rich Abby. Because I am for the US Constitution I am against the right of refusal of service in private business?
The info about the Somali cab drivers is a fact. The airport service by the livery was deemed as service by a public entity and therefore not protected by right of refusal. Do a little more research about the rules of the country you profess to love.
I agree though. I think we should not force Muslims to make concessions to anything un-Islamic. Identify each with a special light, every muslim cabbie. Hell, identify every Muslim as one in every possible way. I think that would be quite helpful.
Once we get all the Sharia'h prohibitions of Muslims intermingling with non-muslims out of the way we can set up little Islamic provinces right here in the US, pure and free of all things non-Islamic. Sure.
Speaking of socialists, I take it then that you are voting (if you even have that privilage) for Senator McCain, being a military man yourself?
Obama is a socialist so, understanding your disdain for it, are quite sure that he is not the candidate for you, right?
YOU Abby, talk about freedom. The greatest irony is that quite simply in Islam, you have none.
Awaky,
Do you have an achy braky heart? What's up with the childishness?
The greatest irony is you fail to understand what you call freedom has a price and you pay it in the end.
Islam is the greatest freedom if you only knew, but you don't. You reject because you don't understand, and you don't understand becausew you have no desire to understand.
Yes I support the Republican Party. Their values most closely align with mine.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Abdull M.:"...free, wealthy, capable, happy..." would you have been so in the land of your ancestors?
As for your passing judgement on those who drink - you are not making any more sense than a slobbering drunk. You worship a child-raping monster. Your religion teaches lying, violence, and subjugation of women. Get off your pedestal - you are worse than the worst gutter-drunk I've ever seen. Your "religion" will never flourish in the US, no matter who you falsely call a "liar," and no matter whose throat you try to ram your twisted logic down. Don't underestimate the average American. We are used to our freedom - but we don't take it for granted. Have you seen the photo and the news story on the billboard of Obama "HUSSEIN" Barak in Arkansas?
Look it up.
Abdullah, you wrote: God is the source of all things, and that is what one should remember, so if a little difficulty comes your way for choosing to obey Him then it is a blessing, and He is the One who will bring you relief.
"It is in keeping one's heart clean and understanding who one is and why one makes the choices one makes that defines one as a Muslim.
"It is not convenient most of the time. But such is life for a believer, some say life is like a prison for the believer, and some time I can agree with that.
For me? It makes me free and wealthy and capable and happy...but that's just me."
Abdullah, I think I can agree with you, God is the source of all things. From what you've written, it would appear to me, you live a more circumscribed and obedient life than I do, though I try. I agree, it is neither easy nor convenient to obey God. If not for God's commandments, we could all live our lives any way we desired; we could do what ever we please no matter the consequences.
I do have one question for you. As a Jew I wonder about this. You speak of "God" and not Allah, though my guess is you believe They are one in the same; that is the Almighty God is Allah.
The Jews believe God is a very specific Being. God told Moses, "Tell the sons of Israel, I AM sent me to you.... Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, the LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob has sent Me to you. This is My name forever and this is My memorial name throughout all generations.
Our God is the Holy One of Israel. The God of Israel gave us the land of Israel -- all of it -- as an everlasting possession and covenant.
That being the case, how could the prophet Muhammad and Islam worship the God of Israel when Islam wants to take our God-given land from us? How could Allah be the God of Israel when most of the Muslim world is at war with my people Israel and by extension, with my God, the Holy One of Israel?
How can Allah be God?
"As for your passing judgement on those who drink - you are not making any more sense than a slobbering drunk. You worship a child-raping monster. Your religion teaches lying, violence, and subjugation of women. Get off your pedestal - you are worse than the worst gutter-drunk I've ever seen."
Good point, charlie! That was an awesome comment. AM is worse than a drug pusher, too, as this soulless fool attempts to tell us that his false god and false prophet will bring us the "greatest freedom" we ever knew. What a crock!
AM, you may be stoned on Islam and addicted to it's lies, but we who are sober minded and "clean" are not interested in your mind altering Islamic hallucinogens.
Yeah Champ - that "greatest freedom" crap is the kind of stuff I'm afraid weaker people will fall for, but not if they know the true tenets of this "religion." That's why any creep screaming "liar" needs to be dealt with.
TRUTH
Charlie
How can Allah be God?
Posted by: Wild Jew
I completely agree with you, Wild Jew, as God did promise the land of Israel to the Jews. I also don't believe that Allah is the God of the Bible. Check this out: http://www.kingmessiahproject.com/is_allah_not_God.html
Allah can't be God because, first of all, it says in the OT that God's name is Yahweh and only Yahweh, then the Bible goes on to call him Yahwah over 7000 times. Ain't no mention of Yahweh in the Koran. Islamic scripture makes it clear that Allah isn't God as well. 'Those who believe not in Allah and the last day' sound familiar? That means Muslims, not Muslims and the People of the Book (like it's one book and Jews are walking around with a New Testament like Christians).
Sorry jdamn, nothing you told me about those nice Muslims changes my mind. I will not trust any Muslim, no matter how nice they seem. And I will not trust the judgement of someone who does in this matter.
There's a parrot in the room with a severe case of echolalia.
It keep saying 'Robert is a liar...Robert is a liar, over and over again...
Did you know that parrots never had an original thought in their whole lives...
Nope, all they got is pre-thought thoughts, which they learned from someone else, who also was victimized by pre-thought thoughts, that they got from a book (in this case the Quran) which is why they are so boring to listen to.
I know it's hard for a parrot to follow that...limited intellect and all that...
There is nothing Islams parrot can say that we have not heard before, and have tossed on the scrapheap of lousy ideas.
So the parrot should get back in the cage and say the only thing parrots say that is not a pre-thought thought...'Polly want a cracker?...Polly want a cracker?? Allah wills it...
Marwan's Daughter
I was struck by this phrase in your posting above -
"As I have two very large, very well-trained dogs, I command them to sit politely if fearful, hostile Muslims pass by.
"The heartbreaking thing is the kids always look back unhappily, even as their mothers hiss and yank them away."
The kids (presumably, little ones who haven't yet been fully Cult Programmed) 'look back unhappily'.
The alliance - for friendship and mutual benefit - between humans and dogs goes way, way back, thousands, maybe tens of thousands of years.
Tasmanian Aborigines in Australia had no dogs, and had been isolated on their island, after the sea level rise at the end of the last Ice Age, for some 15 000 years.
But in the midst of the chaos and violence after the Europeans arrived, Tasmanian Aborigines still noticed - and instantly fell in love with - the pet dogs of the English. In the midst of the frontier warfare, they still managed to trade for, or steal, pups; worked out how to train them, and started keeping them as pets and for hunting. Fifteen thousand years of not having dogs, hadn't erased, in the native Tasmanians, whatever it is in humans that attracts them to dogs.
So I'm not surprised that some little Muslim children, at least those who are perhaps too young to have been fully indoctrinated into the most unnatural horror of dogs that poisons Islamic societies, should 'look back unhappily' at the sight of your two furry friends.
I am sure that, in the West, on TV and in real life, they see kafir kids their own age happily playing with furry, cuddly pups. And something in their basic humanity, as yet unsuppressed and reversed by their Cult Programming, whispers quietly 'hey, that looks like fun'.
duh_swami, you kill me, LOL!!!
A Muslim above wants evidence that dogs are regarded with dismay, and even disgust, in Islam. He has only to consider the famous hadith -- Al-Qaradawi mentions it in his guide to what is Halal and what Haram -- in which Muhammad (uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil) says that he "refuses to enter a house in which there are dogs or statues." From that Hadith has come not only the Muslim ban on statues (unless they have been vandalized, so as to no longer command respect) but the ban on dogs. However, as Qaradawi also says, dogs can be permitted when they are used in very limited ways --not as domestic pets, but as guard dogs, or -- possibly, I'm not sure -- for hunting, as apparently the inquiring Muslim poster above uses them.
Otherwise, possession of dogs as mere pets is haram.
Wow after all of this talk about Islam, dogs, and booze ... lets take a break and watch a video. Remember the good ol' days when we could just laugh out loud in public at these guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL6f3OBtgoQ
That was a good laugh Ethoman - thank you
The fact that all of this stuff about dogs and booze is even part of the public discourse is beyond silly. Islam is hypocrisy, I recommend Abdullah Mikail become and apostate and buy himself an English Pointer, he'll be the best friend you ever had Abdullah just take my word for it. Just so damn silly I wish the whole lot would just go away so we can live in peace without all the nonsense.
Dear Wild Jew,
I am not really interested in raking over old wounds.
God/Allah/Yaweh same entity….that God ordered the Israelites under Moses to take Cannan, they refused.
Forty years later after Moses along with the disobedient Israelites passed away then Joshua took the obedient into Cannan and overthrew it securing the Promised Land.
There was a Covenant, and it was not a blank check for all time. Uphold the Covenant receive the blessings, abandon the Covenant the blessings you abandon as well.
Numerous times the Israelites were cast into troubles because of their disobedience. This is not new information I am relaying.
There is only One God, the Creator of the universe, and none other. Ahad, One, Singular…any time I translate Yaweh, Allah, Elloheim into the word God, I mean that One.
God is God, simply put, and the troubles in the holy land have very little to do with God, except by way of excuse for committing violence and that is used by both sides of the wall…
I make excuses for neither side, I condemn neither side…they are both mutually exclusive and mutually responsible for their own troubles which they both invest in continuously.
I live here in America, and this is the land I love and the land I served and the land I still serve…not any foreign country whatsoever any where else in the world.
My ancestors were born here and buried here for centuries before any Jew or Gentile stepped foot on these shores...this is my country.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
I guess that would make you an American Indian Muslim? I'm done. I won't argue with such insanity.
ethoman,
I am partial to Weimereiners...although the best hunting dog I ever had was a mutt.
I have no trouble owning what is allowed, its just that I just live in the city and big hunting dogs really have no place in the city.
My advice is to stop getting so wrapped up in Roberts spin and meet a real Muslim and find out for yourself.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
from above: God/Allah/Yaweh same entity…
A lie...a big lie...
Also from above: There is only One God, the Creator of the universe, and none other. Ahad, One, Singular…any time I translate Yaweh, Allah, Elloheim into the word God, I mean that One.
Another lie even bigger, this one calling for faulty translation.
Also: My ancestors were born here and buried here for centuries before any Jew or Gentile stepped foot on these shores...this is my country.
Centuries? How many?
Your country? I thought everything belonged to Allah...
False Teacher
Abdullah Mikail
Charlie,
You wrote"Abdull M.:"...free, wealthy, capable, happy..." would you have been so in the land of your ancestors?"
I am Tsitsistas, Northern Cheyenne-Irish, this is the land of my ancestors...yeah, and then there's Ireland.
How would I have been had I been all Irish?
Probably in Belfast picking a fight...but instead, I am here making the best of friends and meeting the nicest people!
: )
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Why go to Burger King to pick up a Whooper, when you can have it delivered to your home directly through your computer by reading up on AM's God stories - these are the Biggest Whoopers out there!
I don't believe you. You have already proved yourself a liar. BTW - you certainly haven't made any friends here.
"The God of the Bible is not the same as the Allah worshipped in Islam. Instead, the roots of Islam's deity are found in Middle Eastern mythology, and as such represent the latest manifestation of idolatry in that region, and wherever Islam has spread."
http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch3.html
My ancestors were born here and buried here for centuries before any Jew or Gentile stepped foot on these shores...this is my country.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
So are you a native American convert to islam, or a descendant of the muslims that discovered America?
Or are you just another lying, deceitful, supremacist muslim, claiming the world for yourself because allah made muslims the "best" of people?
Allah is not the God of the Bible so allah is not God. You might worship him but he did not create the universe; muhammad was not a prophet; and islam is a malevolent, predatory death cult. I hope your spiritual beliefs bring you the utmost fulfillment but remember, no matter how evil you are in your temporal life and no matter how faithfully you follow allah's wicked doctrine and muhammad's execrable example, there is still no guarantee you'll make it to paradise. What a religion! You might be damned if you do and you're definitely damned if you don't! You just never know with allah.
champ,
Lets give you a simple one answer test? Okay?
Who created everything?
Hmmmm? Can you tell us?
It doesn't matter what answer you give, even if you call it "Fred", only One entity created...and that is the One we worship.
Even Animals, Insects, and Inanimate objects testify to that...but what do you do with the mind that God gave you to reason with?
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
"My ancestors were born here and buried here for centuries before any Jew or Gentile stepped foot on these shores...this is my country."
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 20, 2008 9:33 PM
Huh? I will ignore that obviously nonsensical statement in favor of another of yours:
"I have no trouble owning what is allowed"...
Like I said previously, there is no freedom in Islam. I believe you to be a true Muslim, so your words are providing the necessary background, ensuring that we "see for ourselves", about Islam.
You do know that your god is a fictional representation, created by an ethically challenged desert warlord from the 7th century, don't you?
I always apppreciate your supposed scientific "proof" of the Qur'an's divinity, so please, do continue to entertain us, will you "Abby"?
I especially like the specific verses that are conducive to Muhammad and Muhammad alone, and I always snicker at the buffoons that buy into it. "Take three and four wives if it suit you", but of course these limitations apply to everyone but "The Prophet". It is nothing short of absurdity.
Honestly, "Abby", you know that you are wasting your time here, so why continue? If Allah existed, you would already be victorious over Robert Spencer due to your self-professed piety and slavery to Allah's will.
So why hasn't that happened?
Why has your well-intentioned Daw'ah failed to resonate with anyone here to date? Your intentional griefing sessions here are futile and more importantly, temporal at best.
You do know that, right?
ARROGANT STATEMENT ALERT:
"Numerous times the Israelites were cast into troubles because of their disobedience. This is not new information I am relaying."
Oh my, now isn't this an arrogant/ironic statement, especially coming from a hack who serves and promotes a "religion" that has caused more trouble in the world than any other religion known to man.
We don't need to read Jihad Watch to know how evil Islam is, all we need to do is read the Qur'an and study up on Muhammad's life to figure that out.
Abdullah M: I think you left this thread just long enough awhile back to google "Cheyenne" and came up with your "American Indian" background. That you would claim this background particularly irritates me. I am literally feeling sick at your claims. If you want to throw lies around and shame groups with your claims by pretending to be one of them, pick on someone other than those of us who really WERE here while you were still worshipping the moon and a rock in your desert back home.
Ethoman -- Do you have anymore funny videos?
awake,
Nonsensical because of what? Because you lack any understanding of ancestry? Race and ethnicity have nothing to do with religion.
You are incapable of understanding simple equations…how does one explain anything to a child? Use small words and speak slowly and use lots of pictures…but with you, does that work? Not really.
Tell me, do you know what a pulsar is? And what will it someday become?
Yeah, you might know that, and I can even lead you by the nose above your big mouth through all the proofs from the Quran to no avail…it doesn’t matter.
Ignorant people before you were shown even more amazing proofs than the simple science I could show you and yet they still brayed like asses in rejection even up until the moment the the destruction was upon them.
You will reject anything I say, but there may be someone who will take what I say and go do their own research. It has happened before, and it will happen again.
But you? Will you ever learn?
I think not.
You are just a segway between subjects…a catalyst to keep a reaction going, and you do help that don’t you?
Thanks.
Abdullah Mikail
AM states: "It doesn't matter what answer you give, even if you call it "Fred", only One entity created...and that is the One we worship."
Allah is/was a figment of Muhammad's imagination, because your false prophet did not want to submit to the One True God, so he concocted one of his own gods, otherwise known as idolatry, AM.
I agree that only One God created everthing, but His name is not Allah or Fred, but it is Jesus Christ:
Philippians 2:9-11
"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
champ,
That's why we say, "Yours is yours, and mine is mine, I will not follow yours and you will not follow mine."
Simple.
I am satisfied to live beside anyone who believes anything...it doesn't matter to me here in America what or whom you worship...that's your business...more power to you.
Note, I don't come after you with hateful words and spiteful jabs...I don't stand around telling other people what you believe and what your religion is.
That's would be arrogance, orientalism, and it is just a pathetic reflection of the author.
I respect your right to believe whatever you will, it's not my business to call you down for it, or try to define it for you and mislead others by that.
Just be happy to know it doesn't matter what you and I believe or do or say...but that God knows Who God Is, and that THAT is all that really matters.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Then God knows that you worship a child-raping monster and you follow a cult that subjugates its women, hates dogs, judges others, teaches violence and murder, and LYING.
AM - you are the most inconsistent poster I think I have ever read comments from. You say one thing one minute, and then another the next - depending on your mood, I guess. Earlier today you were esposing the benefits of becoming Muslim, and now you don't care what I believe? Oh really, then why don't you make like a tree and leave?
Why bother sending Robert veiled threats if it doesn't matter to you? Huh?
Why do you bother leaving comments, if it doesn't matter to you?
And you are the one who started the whole "Allah is God" conversation, MrIDontCare. You could have fooled me, sounds like you DO care!
champ,
You are missing something here...I don't spread lies about what you believe, do I? I don't care what you believe, that's freedom of religion.
More power to you. I feel no need to force anything on anyone...freedom of religion, no compulsion...these are important themes.
I feel the need and engage in telling the truth about what I believe and what Islam preaches, not from the twisted dirty lens of agenda, but plain simple truth from a believer.
"Why bother sending Robert veiled threats if it doesn't matter to you? Huh?"
I have never threatened Robert and he knows it...he's just stirring the pot because I wouldn't agree to interview with him.
I gave him some hints at things he should watch for and perhaps a possible end game...none of it has anything to do with me and no one is threatening Robert or his blogg directly, indirectly, under veils or in the open...Robert is his own worst enemy and he will realize it some day...without my intervention mind you.
"Why do you bother leaving comments, if it doesn't matter to you?"
Freedom of speech and a desire to tell the truth.
"And you are the one who started the whole "Allah is God" conversation, MrIDontCare. You could have fooled me, sounds like you DO care!"
The "I Don't Care" part you are misunderstanding...let's clarify, it doesn't matter what you think or I think, it mattes only what God thinks.
In the end you and I will agree with perfect clarity on Who God Is.
Universal truths are so sweet to state, wouldn't you agree?
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Direct questions Abdullah: Do you desire to tell the truth about your prophet and his relationship with his 6 year old "wife"? Do you desire to tell the truth that the Koran encourages violence aginst infidels? Do you desire to tell the truth about the treatment of women in the Koran? Do you desire to tell the truth about your prophet raping captives and encouraging his men to do the same? Will you tell the truth about "taquiya" and its purpose? Will you tell the truth about the attitude of many Islamics toward YOUR beloved country - the Great Satan? If you won't address these "truths" then please shut up.
charlie,
You trying to communicate with me? Why?
You will just lose your temper, get pissed off, throw a digital tantrum, and end up with a headache.
Why go through all that?
Just take that take that thick skull of yours and go pound it against something hard...same result...you will have ended up learning nothing and cut right to the chase.
If you had a real desire to learn you wouldn't need to ask me ignorant offensive questions, now, would you?
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
charlie,
You trying to communicate with me? Why?
You will just lose your temper, get pissed off, throw a digital tantrum, and end up with a headache.
Why go through all that?
Just take that take that thick skull of yours and go pound it against something hard...same result...you will have ended up learning nothing and cut right to the chase.
If you had a real desire to learn you wouldn't need to ask me ignorant offensive questions, now, would you?
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
You are just a segway between subjects…a catalyst to keep a reaction going, and you do help that don’t you?
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 20, 2008 10:19 PM
Actually, "Abby", the word is segue, not "segway" although phonics are generally useful to the uneducated. I will ask you kindly not to use words in your comments that you cannot spell, going forward, because it is annoying. I am sure that the "research" that you seem to require was minimal at best reagarding that word and its definition.
yuu wrote to Champ:
"That's why we say, "Yours is yours, and mine is mine, I will not follow yours and you will not follow mine."
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 20, 2008 10:25 PM
Eventually, an Islamist must come full circle.
"Maybe those who remain in their Muslim lands are simply following Qur'an 109:1-6?"
Posted by: awake at October 20, 2008 1:46 PM
Thank you for corroborating my answer from early this afternoon. So much for your mandated Da'wah answer to Raymond's excellent analysis.
I knew it was only a matter of time before you used my Qur'anic reference in your rationalization.
Fish. Barrel. Shooting.
Anyway, if Allah is truly a god, and Muhammad was truly "the prophet", then I choose eternal hellfire, hopefully not having to engage in witless banter with the likes of your disingenuous self any longer, "Abby".
Dolt.
Why are they offensive and why won't you answer them? I notice you revert to infantile insults and verbal abuse (pound that thick skull of yours, etc) when you feel cornered. Why don't you want to tell the TRUTH now, Abdullah?
Abby wrote:
"Just take that take that thick skull of yours and go pound it against something hard...same result...you will have ended up learning nothing and cut right to the chase."
Exactly. That is the textbook definition of that thing on Zawahiri's forehead. The "Zebibah"?
"Abby", can you help us out with that definition of the mark on the Muslim forehead from endlessly slamming one's head against the pavement?
And, Abdullah, I DO have a real desire to learn. I want to know how an Islamist explains your prophet's 6 year old "wife," for one thing.
Explain away. I am listening. I am not banging my head against a wall - other than metaphorically in bothering to communicate with the likes of you. So answer all of my above questions, please.
Abdullah
I'm going to try my best to be polite, but it will be hard. You say you love this country, you say genetically speaking you were here before anyone else, but all of this is of no matter to me. What matters to me is the fact that a culture created by Islamic influences would destroy everything that I love about this nation. Islamic cultures do not create free thinking dynamic societies, they destroy them, in fact that is what Islam was created by Mohammad to do. It is a theological weapon created by a brilliantly successful general as a tool to augment his conquests, and to subjugate the conquered. Every society under Islamic ideological influences is having its free thinking pilisophical light crushed from it. The high topics of the day in Islamic societies are where can I keep my dog, or how do I prepare my bird if I get dog spit on it, or what kind of dog can I own, or what do I do if the dog gets into my house, or should we or should we not kill people that insult Mohammad, or should we or should we not kill apostates? I could go on, and on. We would do well by ridding ourselves of any and all Islamic influences as quickly as possible.
This Abdullah Mikhail person is clinically insane. It's all the worse for the fact that he has a calm manner -- those are the wackos that are more dangerous. I'm not sure though that the people who keep talking to him as though he is a sane human being don't have problems themselves, frankly. If you saw someone trying to talk to a lunatic in a mental asylum and trying to reason with him or try to berate him like he could really understand, wouldn't you also wonder about that someone too?
All good things must come to an end. Enjoy the thread at Abdullah's expense, I insist.
Thanks for calling some of us insane, Denverodeo. That really helps.
Ethoman,
I have no problem being polite to well intentioned people.
There are a few gadflys here that deserve nothing but an occasional flamer…it’s all in fun.
Awake is a twit who has blogged with me before…it’s just a game with him…he’s nothing more than a provocateur with a slightly better spelling vocabulary than I, I must add. (Thanks for the segue tip, awake, you proved of some use to us didn’t you?)
A serious inquiry is appreciated.
You only believe “Islamic” culture destroys because that is all you read at venues such as JW and others.
The list of what Islamic cultures have contributed is huge, but I always seem to get the “But what have you done lately” crowd of jack leg nay sayers responding when I produce a list, so I won’t.
Suffice to say, a lot has been given to the world by many different cultures with many different religious traditions, and Islam is not unique in that, yet as a rule preservation of knowledge is key to the faith, and so much knowledge we still benefit from today was transmitted from Muslims of old to us.
You, as others get caught up on the minutiae that many of we Muslims take for granted and don’t even think about…don’t even care about. We have bigger things to accomplish than worrying about dogs, and such…only when people who don’t know get lost in a tear about it is it worth mentioning.
You pick apart some inflammatory media you read here…not entirely your fault.
We don’t sit around discussing the things you mentioned, though, there are rules you learn once and don’t need to talk about, such as why can’t a dog be around where you pray? Simple, they are dirty animals, and you don’t want them trailing filth around where you eat, sleep, and pray. Last time you ever need to think about that one. Next.
But don’t let my flamers get to you, it’s all in fun, otherwise this blogg would be dead boring. I mean, you’d all probably end up holding hands and singing “We are the world” or something and agreeing on “Kill em all!” or some other twisted psychotic ideas I see tossed out here every day…the stuff that comes out the comments section here, well, put it this way, if it came out in court as “character evidence” well…now you know why the owner of this blogg has to legally keep you all at arms length with his disclaimer.
Ooops! He might call that a veiled threat! He’s so jumpy!
(Calm down Robert…call your publisher…check your sales… and your profits…relax.)
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Hey I found another nice video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tunL0ckr_X4
I see, so Charlie has the thick skull, now THAT is funny! Were you gazing in the mirror when you came up with that one? Charlie is not thick headed, but you obviously are.
You continue to defend Islam on Jihad Watch, a website that shows Muslims being Muslims, when you should be exerting yourself by talking to fellow Muslims you think "misunderstand" your precious Islam.
Why do you bother coming on here attempting to change OUR minds, when you should be out there changing the minds of the "misunderstanders of Islam".
In other words, you are trying to convert the wrong crowd. Get Islam to change, and then Robert can close up shop. The only you don't do that is because you side with the terrorists by attempting to soften the evil edges of Islam with all your lies and deceit.
Everyone can see your game, and everyone keeps asking themselves - why are you here?
So "Abby", why are you here? Why not target the terrorists instead of Jihad Watch? Hmmm.
Thank you Champ. Apparently some think my skull is thick when I ask scary questions (that haven't been answered yet BTW). Go figure.
"The list of what Islamic cultures have contributed is huge, but I always seem to get the “But what have you done lately” crowd of jack leg nay sayers responding when I produce a list, so I won’t."
Most of these contributions happened early in the "crushing of the philosophical light" stage. Islams greatest asset was that it compiled data from many different cultures into Arabic (mainly Greek, and Persian), then proceeded to crushed the light from them.
Guess I'm in the thick skull crowd as well. Do I get a badge or something?
Of course, Charlie, I will always defend my friends and the Truth. Take care.
....time to shut down the computer...night all!
Yeah Etho - you get one of those things on Zawahiri's forehead.
Obfuscation alert. I notice Abdullah didn't answer your question, Charlie, about Mohammad fucking a six year old girl. 'Just changed the subject, like a good Muslim.
It's amusing to watch him accuse Robert of being a liar, as if he were one, as if it were something bad, when Abdullah clearly practices taqiyah to spread the B.S. thickly, which his religion tells him is a good thing. Another case of diversionary Muslim whining when caught.
I especially like how he lectures us on worshipping the same God. But for someone who prides himself on being clever, that statement is illogical. The same God doesn't contradict himself, telling us to love our neighbor as ourselves, not kill, not lie, not commit adultery or fornication and then turn around and tell Muslims to not associate with non-Muslims, that Christians and Jews are apes and pigs, to kill the infidel where you find them, to kill anyone who was a Muslim and then "changes his religion," who kills women when they get busted propositioning them, to murder those who oppose the invitation to Islam and the invitation to pay the jizya, to make up some bogus story about "temporary marriage" when the Muslim man is away at school and horny, to make up some bogus story about NOT having sex with married women, unless of course you enslave one first, and that it's A-OK for an adult Muslim male to use an infant girl's thigh with which to masturbate. Uh, I don't see the connection. Of course, it could just be another lie, like the ones Mohammad made up to ensure he would always have plenty of material goods (because Allah said it was okay for him to steal them) and to ensure that he would always get laid.
Oops, I meant to sign off
Death,
Isabella
That makes as much sense as the Abdullah - Peace dillusion.
Yes Isabella - that is precisely why I asked the questions that I asked. I knew he wouldn't answer them. That in itself is an answer. It tells us several things. He knows he can't argue about what is in his own book of faith: we can prove what the Koran says. It also proves his deception in general, as does your comparison of his "my god is your God" crap. I find it interesting that he was insulted by my questions, yet he didn't claim that I was making stuff up out of thin air. Instead of answering my questions he launched a direct attack on the bone density of my skull. Easy out.
charlie
In this case I would say what they mean by thickheaded is stubborn and tenacious, not easily defeated. I think I just made that up, but it works for me in this context.
Works for me too. Good night. I need to lay my thick skull down.
Good night, all.
Man; over 150 comments before I get here? I'm joining this one late.
Anyway, Abdullah and I have serious disagreements, mainly I think sharia is inhumane and wrong, that Islam itself has stuff wrong with it, and he thinks sharia and Islam are both fine and dandy and nothing needs to be fixed.
About Spencer "lying": To me, you only lie if you intend to deceive. He may have been wrong, but there was no intent to deceive. Therefore, he didn't lie.
About cabbies and alcohol: Cab companies should have the right of refusal--refusal to hire Muslims who won't drive people carrying alcohol. That should be a question on the application. You don't like carrying alcohol? Don't be a cabbie! Duh! (Oh, but will Abdullah say that's "discrimination"? Hmmm...)
We didn't make up the notion that Islamic culture destroys creativity, freedom etc.; the UN Arab Report showed it.
We didn't make up the fact that every school of Islamic jurisprudence says that jihad is mandated for all Muslims, and is defined as war on unbelievers.
We didn't make up the fact that Muhammad did some pretty terrible things, like own and rape his slaves, slaughter hundreds, marry a 6-year old, and have sex with her when she was nine.
We didn't make up the fact that the Qu'ran is simply wrong about where a man's "seed" comes from, which isn't the only error in it, but all it needs is one to make it "imperfect."
We didn't make up the fact that Al Qaeda and other terrorists quote the Qu'ran to justify killing infidels, and they think they're doing God's work.
And you haven't been able to disprove a single thing I just said. What is more important, an orthodox call to wage war on all non-Muslims, or whether dogs are allowed under certain circumstances. You have your priorities seriously twisted if you even for a second think it's the latter.
Something is wrong in the state of Islam.
A bloodthirsty, expansionist, authoritarian ideology--That's 3 bad things right there! Add in the state of women, the death penalty for apostates, the rage over everything, and you have a compelling picture of stuff that needs to change.
So, please Abdullah; until you can see that there might be something wrong here, we don't have much to talk about.
I mean, I don't care if you want to live and let live; it's your fellow murdering co-religionists I worry about!
Get them to stop, and as someone else said, Spencer can shut this down, because there will be nothing to report. Right now, there's a lot to report, lots!
And you haven't disproven anything.
Doubt
Mo Fo
Abdullah Mikail
There was no lie. There wasn't even an error. What I said was true the first time; then I decided to make it clearer and revised it. You seized on that as some admission of error. It wasn't. Even the first formulation was true vis-a-vis darura, and the fact that I didn't spell it out only proves that... I didn't spell it out. Later, upon reflection, I decided to change the formulation, but does that mean I said something false the first time? No. You are grasping at straws. You are the liar. And the smear artist. And I am not going to allow you to get away with your lies here unchallenged any longer.
RS
The list of what Islamic cultures have contributed is huge...
Exploding underdrawers. That's an exhaustive list, a HUGE exhaustive list. But Muslims do like to claim Avicenna as their own, despite the fact that he never took an Arabic name, because reading up on him would be incredibly un-Islamic. Muslims didn't even invent the niqab. It came out the very same year as 'Star Wars.' They ripped it off from Darth Vader.
Predetonate,
jdamn
Mr. Spencer,
You wrote, “What I said was true the first time.”
Another lie, Robert?
It seems that the only way to cover for one lie is another lie.
I am not grasping at straws, Robert, it is you attempting to save face in front of your fan base that are “grasping at straws.”
Challenge away, I care not.
I proved your first comment was an outright lie, period. You edited it immediately afterwards and took the subject of your edit right off of my daleel, proof, that you were in fact lying…”but the curse of Mohammad…” blah, blah, blah.
Caracterize it anyway you like, it was a lie.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Mo Fo,
Sorry I missed you.
"Man; over 150 comments before I get here? I'm joining this one late."
Diversity inspires conversation.
You and I have had some good ones, albeit, you did not arrive at the conclusion you wanted, and I seemed not to take the tack you wanted, and you almost left the table permanently...gald to see you haven't.
As long as we keep communicating we may both learn something new...after all, this is America the land of the free and the home of the brave, and I am both free and brave.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Abdullah Mikail,
For the sake of any neutral or confused observers, I will spell this out.
What I wrote was this: "Yet in reality, Islam forbids drinking alcohol, but it doesn’t command one to shun those who do, or not to be anywhere near them."
This is a true statement regarding Muslims in non-Muslim states, which is what the article was about. The statement, however, doesn't say anything about the prohibition against transporting alcohol, which is what was at issue in this case, so it wasn't specific enough. That is why I decided to revise it, along with the fact that it could be misleading, as your characterization of it as a "lie" attests.
But it is accurate in reporting the views of some Islamic scholars, in light of the principle of darura. Don't take my word for it. In Ihsan Yilmaz's book Muslim Laws, Politics And Society In Modern Nation States, Yilmaz notes this: "Muslims in the post-modern age have not abandoned their religious laws in favor of the lex loci, but have found ways to reconstruct it under the conditions of asr al-darura..." And "Regarding alcohol, although there is a consensus that drinking is prohibited, the external usage is permitted by some Hanafi scholars." Al-Ghazali even allows for the consumption of alcohol in cases of darura -- necessity.
A lie? Whatever, Abdullah. But I trust you are also accusing the Muslim scholars who say such things of lying as well.
Anyway, Abdullah, you are a liar, as I have shown previously, and you are a thug, as I have shown by your cowardly veiled threats, and I am not writing all this under some mistaken belief that you are operating in good faith and interested in honest dialogue. You have made it abundantly clear that you are not. But I present all this to demonstrate to anyone who may be confused by your repeated charges that I am lying, and to prove that what I have said about Islamic teaching is, in fact, accurate.
Robert Spencer
Before I run out the door, one question...so now would you like to explain why your prophet in his fifties married Aisha when she was six and entered her sexually at the age of nine or are you going to accuse Robert of lying about that too? Was the Ayatollah Khomeini lying when he reduced the marriageable age in Iran after the revolution in 1979 for women to nine years old in imitation of the perfect man, Mohammad? Or do you simply deny it, as you did over on Infidel Bloggers Alliance when you signed off as Mike?
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/01/ayatollah-khomeinis-fling-with-four.html
Pestilence,
Isabella
Abby,
This is from www.dictionary.com
lie
–noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
Deliberate intent to deceive. You got that?
Once again, Robert has spelled it out for you. Your asinine reasoning and continued stubborness to accept reality is so tedious. There was no deliberate intent to deceive. It was merely a clarification.
You would have us believe that in Robert's depth and breadth of knowledge of Islam that he was unaware of Islam's prohibitions on alcohol? Nonsense.
His blogging the Qur'an entry was quite specific about Muhammad's prohibition against alcohol and the historical nature of his positions:
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/018011.php
You are like a child, yellling liar liar pants on fire, threatening to take your ball and to go home if you don't get your way. Your refusal of basic logic is typical of the Mohammedan mind.
If this is what you are going to hang your hat on as an example of refuting and exposing Robert Spencer with your ludicrous argument, you are a bigger fool than I already believe you to be.
Move along now Shari'ah boy. There is nothing but scorn for you here.
Abdullah,
You wrote:
"As long as we keep communicating we may both learn something new...after all, this is America the land of the free and the home of the brave, and I am both free and brave."
But you would not be free under Sharia, or in Saudi Arabia, where you said only financial considerations keep you from living.
As for Spencer lying, awake and I have said the same thing, it's only a lie if you intend to deceive. If not, it's just a mistake or maybe even misleading, but a "lie"? NOPE..
Also, did he lie when he said that every school of Islamic jurisprudence teaches that jihad is war on unbelievers and is mandatory?
Can you prove they don't do that? Can you show us where every school of Islamic jurisprudence REALLY teaches that jihad is more like "self-improvement"?
If you can't, then who really cares what Spencer might have said about alcohol that might have needed clarification.
You are missing the forest for the trees. The big picture is that all over the world, wherever there are Muslims, there are Muslims who want to make Islam dominant, and will do it through violence, or maybe more stealthily.
I'm sorry you don't like that fact that Spencer publicizes this seditious anti-American, anti-freedom, inhuman agenda.
I take that back; I'm not sorry whatsoever!
SHARIA LAW IS INHUMAN!
Sharia forbids fun, normal, human activities:
-No Music
-No Dancing
-No Alcohol
-No Statues (or any images of people)
-No Satire
-No Questioning
-No Leaving Islam
-No Freedom of Religion (if not Islam)
Sharia allows horrific behavior:
-Beheadings of random bus passengers:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023168
-Murder of Infidels:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023172
-Throwing Wives and Children from windows:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023170
-Child pornography:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023153
-Setting girls on Fire:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023169
(And that's just in the past week!)
Finally, Sharia law has draconian punishments for even thought crimes:
-Lashings for getting raped
-Death for a bunch of things: adultery, homosexuality, leaving Islam
-Cutting off hand and feet for such things as stealing
-Caning for being lazy
The list goes on and on. Anyone who think sharia law is superior to ANYTHING is an enemy of freedom and humanity, and therefore, my enemy, too.
P.S. all my links need .php at the end to be found.
P.S. all my links need .php at the end to be found.
Once again, Robert has proven that he is telling the Truth, and that AM is in fact the liar; and you've shown remarkable patience with this cowardly "provocateur", as he likes to call himself.
Provocateur
Abdullah Mikail :-(
Mr. Spencer,
You have your opinions and thoughts, unpublished and subject to change...who can prove it?
I have what was published.
In a private e-mail exchange you weaseled your way into saying it wasn't a lie because there was no "intention to mislead", you wrote it, I didn't.
I grant you that, yet that means you were ignorant.
Equally damning.
As for lies, prove I said anything untrue, and I will apologize.
Nothing I stated was false.
Period.
I vote we leave this subject and move on to the future, what do you say?
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
"I grant you that, yet that means you were ignorant."
"Equally damning."
"As for lies, prove I said anything untrue, and I will apologize."
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 21, 2008 12:30 PM
Well I don't agree about being ignorant, it was a clarification for those like yourself who are predisposed to ignite before comprehending what you are reading.
That being said, if you grant that Robert was not lying, but rather just "ignorant", with your absurd claim that they are "equally damning", then isn't your repeated charge of Robert being a liar a lie in itself?
And isn't that in itself worth an apology, since you willfully lied about Robert lying?
Another failure in logic 101 on your part, Abby.
You're not very good at this, are you?
Awake,
You wrote:
"That being said, if you grant that Robert was not lying, but rather just "ignorant", with your absurd claim that they are "equally damning", then isn't your repeated charge of Robert being a liar a lie in itself?"
Hear, hear! Abdullah, you owe Spencer (another) apology!
Also, yes; let's look to the future, shall we?
I would love to see a future where people are free to think, speak, love, eat, drink and worship how they please, with men and women considered equal before the law, and where law is secular, and everyone has equal rights.
In other words, a future that is not ruled by the mores of 7th Century Arabia.
In still other words, a future not dominated by Islam.
Islam is the opposite of all the freedoms and equality I just said.
(Prove it isn't, Abdullah, if you can.)
Robert: Al-Ghany Arabic lexicon reports Tiqya as derived from the Arabic root “Taqaa” so Tiqyaa means fear. It adds” He practiced Tiqya …Meaning he hid his Sect and obfuscated it out of fear.”
Al Moheet Lexicon reports: Fright and fear. Pretending [to profess] a different belief system out of fear of [experiencing] injustice or violence.
(Prove it isn't, Abdullah, if you can.)
Posted by: Mo Foe
He can't - he's too busy drinking the Kool Aid and enjoying the psychedelic images that allah feeds his flock to ever see the destructive evil nature of Islam.
awake, Mo Fo,
If Robert admits he was ignorant, yes, i will apologize.
Hell will freeze over before he admits it.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
I like how Abdullah tries to blame Robert for the opinios of everyone here. Talk about misplaced blame. How about blaming the Quran, Islamic tradition, and the behavior of Muslims around the world acting out the life and times of Mohammed for a change?
Spencer's last post a few posts above already explains (for the umpteenth time but now completely clearly) enough for my satisfaction that he wasn't lying and that he wasn't mistaken about that point of Islamic law.
What Abdullah Mikail would have to do, if he was a reasonable and ethical human being, is actually try to refute Spencer's last post in detail point by point. But since Abdullah is not a reasonable and ethical human being, he will never do it.
"Hell will freeze over before he admits it."
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 21, 2008 3:34 PM
But if hell does indeed freeze over, how will Allah inflict his retribution on the diisbelievers?
Abdullah,
Why not just apologize for calling him a liar, even if he doesn't admit ignorance?
That might be good for your soul...
ethoman -
You are right, as Jihad Watch would not exist were it not for the criminal and terrorist actions of Muslims and their Islamic cause.
AM, you still haven't answered last nights post:
You continue to defend Islam on Jihad Watch, a website that shows Muslims being Muslims, when you should be exerting yourself by talking to fellow Muslims you think "misunderstand" your precious Islam.
Why do you bother coming on here attempting to change OUR minds, when you should be out there changing the minds of the "misunderstanders of Islam".
In other words, you are trying to convert the wrong crowd. Get Islam to change, and then Robert can close up shop. The only reason you don't do that is because you side with the terrorists by attempting to soften the evil edges of Islam with all your lies and deceit.
Everyone can see your game, and everyone keeps asking themselves - why are you here?
So "Abby", why ARE you here? Why aren't you targetting the terrorists instead? Hmmm.
Posted by: champ
champ,
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from accountability, and thus I am here.
This site is more telling of the author and those who comment than of the proposed targets in the articles... as are my posts more telling about my dislikes as well.
We learn from one another whether we like it or not.
If I spent more time researching Robert's work I would find more things that he would have to "finagle" as not being obfuscation, misdirection, or misinformation.
I am 100% sure if we dissected his little pamphlet about FGM he did with Ayan...but it would only bore others to see him squirm and try to explain away the "validity" of that pamphlet while you cheered on the side lines...despit the fact that FGM is practiced by Christian tribes adjacent to Hirsi's as well. Islam is not the reason...it's an ignorant tribal African practice.
Don't want to bore you with the details on that one...Robert knows what I am talking about.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
AM - enough about Robert already - what are you doing to confront the Islamic terrorists? That was my question.
Abdullah:
Good luck trying to find a statement by me to the effect that only Muslims practice female genital mutilation.
Among the schools of Muslim jurisprudence, Shafi'is consider circumcision obligatory for women; Hanbalis say it is an honorable custom, but not obligatory; Hanafis say it should be done as a courtesy to the husband.
Al-Azhar endorsed as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy an Islamic legal text that states flatly that circumcision is "obligatory for men and for women" ('Umdat al-Salik e4.3).
Now: I challenge you to explain why the schools of jurisprudence teach these things if this practice has no sanction in Islam. I further challenge you to produce a Christian scriptural or legal text approving of female genital mutilation.
Oh, I'm squirming, all right.
Robert Spencer
Abdullah; put a sock in it.
Many commenters here have blown your slimy arguments out of the water.
But each and every time you close with Peace, it makes me want to hurl, and I'm probably not the only one with such a reaction.
See, we all understand long before you posit any of your stupid assertions here that you only wish us peace if we submit to your religion, to your god. And we all know you're commanded to lie to us and to pretend to be friends with us because we're filthy infidels. And we're not going to submit to your logic or your belief system so you have no choice but to kill us all.
So drop the facade of honesty and civility and let's just duke it out somewhere. Bring it on, you useless pile of convert crap. You probably converted because you couldn't handle the heavy lifting of Christianity or Judaism with all that Love thy neighbor silliness, preferring the morally bankrupt shit you find in your Quran, etc.
You're intellectually lazy and dishonest and worthy of all the contempt heaped upon you by your betters here.
And I think I can speak for some others here and say how much we'd enjoy kicking your nary, dumb ass, instead of sending you love notes.
Peace? Let's give war a chance, dirtbag.
"...and let's just duke it out somewhere"
A heavyweight vs a featherweight, now that hardly seems like a fair fight, LOL! Easy to see who would come away with a broken beak.
Undaunted, you are onto something.
Abdullah was probably brought up Christian but some time in his past he committed an infraction, otherwise known as a sin, that he believed was so heinous he couldn't be forgiven for it. Instead of seeking help and finding out about forgiveness and humbling himself before the Lord, he, in his inherent arrogance, abandoned his first religion and made the True God his sworn enemy. Because his guilt makes him irritable, he hides his doubt and feelings of inferiority with condescension and hammers away at Robert because if Robert succeeds in pointing out what a crappy system Islam is, Abdullah will have to take another look at the thing he thinks he can't be forgiven for. And because this causes him great pain and because he is so proud and cannot admit when he is wrong he will harp on the subject ad nauseum until everyone wants to tell him to shut the hell up. He likes to "assume the sale" telling everyone they are crazy because he's PROVEN that Robert is a) wrong, b) a liar or c) whatever else Abdullah can come up with to take the spotlight off of him and place it squarely on the man who can cut him off at the knees, Robert Spencer.
Insanity,
Isabella
I would laugh out loud if it weren't so very sad.
How many Muslim masters of taquiya would seriously squirm if their writings were examined for "obfuscation, misdirection, or misinformation."
The biggest "obfuscation, misdirection, or misinformation" I've ever seen from Muslim apologists (and Pres. Bush, and Tony Blair) is this steaming pile "Islam is Peace."
Now Abdullah, why don't you answer the questions posed multiple times here:
-What are you doing to educate the terrorists?
-What has Islam done for us lately?
I have just read the entire Oct 18th thread (dedicated to Abdullah, featuring Abdullah, rail-roaded by Abdullah). Put that together with last night's and this evening's thread, and it is plain that he is one sick puppy. He hasn't lost his ability to lie though. On Oct 18 he said he wasn't a convert. Last night he said he was a Cheyenne-Irish Muslim. I gues he comes from a long line of born-muslim-Cheyenne-Irish Americans. Uh-oh - has he been caught in a lie? Noooo - he never lies.
I hope to God he doesn't really teach in ANY kind of school.
the REAL truth
Charlie
Robert,
The obfuscation is obvious tonight, isn't it?
Circumcision is not FGM, Robert.
Hirsi's Muslim African tribe and the neighboring Chrisitian African tribes practice FGM and that is not circumcising.
Shame on you pulling the wool over these nice people's eyes.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Charlie,
You are not too bright are you?
You seem to be caught up in this ethnic equation to religion thing, am I wrong?
All human beings are born on true faith, whether they are fortunate enough to stay that way is just in how they deal with what life sends their way and the choices they make.
I never made the wrong choice so I had nothing to "convert" from.
Born on true faith stayed on true faith.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
whatever -- you are insane
Abdullah Mikail
LOL! That is right Muslims believe everybody is born a Muslim, so since all native Americans were born at some point, then Muslims were here first! I suspected that this is what you were getting at, but wasn't sure. Good one. I guess this will be the new jihadi right to ownership war cry. America the new Palestine! Now I see why you are such a loyal American, and love your nation so much ... it is Islamic land by birth right! I must admit I love the beautiful simplicity of it all. Since everyone is born Muslim, and everyone is born, then all lands are inherently Islamic, and have been wrested by the hands of the Kuffar from Dar al Islam, and since once land has been deemed Islamic it can never be ruled otherwise all Muslims are compelled to wage war to take it back. Any and all land.
Born on true faith stayed on true faith.
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at October 21, 2008 10:59 PM
If your birth name was Michael, as I expect, this is just another lie in a long list of lies put forth by you, all in the name of Da'wah.
You are not an Arab, am I correct? If not, where did the silly name Abdullah come from, if not from your conversion?
Did your daddy, the devout Muslim, erroneously give you a Christian birthname?
Abdullah Mikail McKay. Yep, that doesn't sound remotely Arabic to me.
I recommend you get your GED, soon.
Or at least hone your well-documented skills as a liar.
Since Abdullard doesn't like to answer direct questions, let us expose him even further.
Abdullah,
Are you of Arabic descent, and if so, where? If not, where did the silly Arabic name come from?
A simple question.
If A. M. is a convert, and if he does indeed have First Nation and Irish ancestors, then all I can say is this:
by allowing himself to be suckered into becoming a Muslim, and grovelling to the Arab Imperial Religion, joining the camp of the Arab Supremacist bully-boys, he has totally betrayed and insulted *both* his Irish forebears (whether pagan or Catholic) AND his First Nations forebears.
He has spurned his inheritance - on both sides of the Great Water.
He has spat upon and trampled the graves of the Ancestors, both in the USA and in Ireland. The ground cracks, the sky turns black with horror at the depths of his treachery.
He is a 'converted' person: Islam requires him to become an ersatz Arab, join the Ummah, the Islamomafia Mob, Mohammed's Death Eaters, and repudiate and despise all his free non-Muslim forebears and every aspect of their culture - their friendly pet dogs, their uncovered women, their music, their dance, their songs, their carvings (both Celts and Native Americans were pretty damn good at both), their gorgeous representational art, and, in the case of the Irish, their uisge beatha.
It's so terribly, terribly sad.
Sad-ass Abby, in all his glory.
Suck on this a bit Abby, a supposed fellow "moderate" American Muslim, speaking out about the propoganda of CAIR funded Saudi mouthpiece, "moderate", Muslim matters. org.
http://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/exposing-the-bloody-shirt-waving-propagandists-for-who-they-are/
By the way, nearly every other single "moderate" Muslim condemned him for speaking the truth and lambasting MM, but you don't care. For you the word truth is synonomous with Muslim truth, in that lying to infidels is the Islamic truth, and acceptable.
The more moderate Muslims speak the "truth" here in America, the faster this resolution will be.
DDA,
The link I provided is a good in-road to prove Arabic Muslim racism over African American Muslims.
Of course, we here at JW already know that fact.
"He has spat upon and trampled the graves of the Ancestors, both in the USA and in Ireland."
My Irish eyes aren't exactly smiling over the news that one of my own has converted to Islame either. OK, I'm only a third Irish, but still, this is a sad day indeed.
Hey Champ, how's it going girl?
Abdullah Mikail, you hideous dissembler:
Circumcision is not FGM? Really?
When referring to women, when is circumcision not FGM?
What contortions you have to undertake in order to defend your position! I don't envy you.
Regarding your spurious distinction between FGM and female circumcision, just ask the women who have suffered this procedure. I dare you.
Robert Spencer
Hi Isa!! I am good, thanks, and you? Hey, want to help me teach our resident troll a valuable lesson on whether or not female circumcision is mutilation or not? Great! Could you hold him down, while I cut off his balls, and then lets see if he comes up with a different answer for the class.
AM, when you converted to Islam, and you handed your soul over to the dark side, did they suck out your brains, too? Just curious.
Gee Champ, what an offer! Thanks but no thanks. I don't think I could deal with his condescension in a high pitched squeal!
He really pisses me off when he lies about Robert but then Satan is the father of lies and Islam is the perfect storm of hatred, murder and humiliation as a form of worshipping him. Since Abdullah has sold his soul, why wouldn't he lie? And after having caught him lying about other things on other sites he's being pretty consistent. However, he needs to get the Redwood Tree out of his own eye before he imagines there might be a splinter in Robert's. He actually knows Robert isn't lying; he just can't deal with his secret shame and so he goes on and on, kind of like a Banshee screaming in the night. We should pray for him, that God will have mercy on his poor, pathetic, lying soul.
"Regarding your spurious distinction between FGM and female circumcision, just ask the women who have suffered this procedure. I dare you."
He won't do that, Robert. In his infinite wisdom as a new Muslim, Abdullah is one who will secretly benefit from the implementation of it.
The reason you say insh-Allah is because you don't have the brains or the balls to make decisions for yourself. It's the will of your god that you abuse and disfigure and murder your women... and then blame it on them.
Tell me, Abdullah, have you stopped beating your wife, if you have one... or two?
And it's the will of your god that you bugger little boys and then behave with faux piety, pretending that you're holy because you don't leave skid-marks in your tighty-whitey's.
The truth is, Abdullah, and we can all see it here, you signed up for Islam because you know you can't satisfy 72 virgins in heaven or on earth... no, not in a million eternities. So, you hope for paradise full of little boys you can enslave and use to satisfy urges that your god gave you.
C'mon, Abdullah, admit it: you're in it because you're a boy-lover.
Hey, Isa!
Sorry if I grossed you out, but I saw an opportunity for two women to teach this guy a lesson by letting him receive what he professes to know so much about; and then after I left my comment I realized that we don't need to pin him down and castrate this guy, because that has already been done through the comments section, LOL!
AM -
Your silence speaks loud and clear regarding my question concerning whether or not you actively confront and target terrorists -- so it's very obvious that the answer is "No".
You only target the Truth-Tellers, like Robert Spencer, not those truly responsible for why there is a Jihad Watch in the first place; guess that makes you complicit in terrorist crimes, now doesn't it. I imagine you hold all serial killers and the like in high regard, too. You are one sick, dude, and a shining example of why I hate Islam.
YOU are the stuff we just can't get through the media - it's been a REAL education, that's for sure.
[Thank you, Robert!]
Aiding And Abetting
Abdullah Mikail
(no Truth or Peace should ever accompany your moniker)
Champ, you are hilarious!
"I realized that we don't need to pin him down and castrate this guy, because that has already been done through the comments section, LOL!"
That one made my day. : )
So where did he go? Something touched a nerve and now he's gone off to lick his wounds, just like Defender of Islam did last week when NightHawk busted him. D of I asked him for his contact info so he could sue him. Now that's funny! Yeah, okay, I'll just get that right over to you, (once you grow a pair and stop whining.) Then we have Abdullah here, practically blowing a blood vessel in his forehead with the thought of proving R.S. was lying. Note to Abdullah: if you want to prove that Robert Spencer has lied, you need real proof and not just something which isn't even a, um, lie. That may work in Obama's world, that may work in the Muslim world but it doesn't work at JWU.
Silly convert.
Anarchy,
Isabella
Maybe a caring relative finally had him committed. Maybe he ran out of ridiculous lies to cover his ridiculous lies. Maybe he's off banging his head against a wall (or the floor). One thing is sure: not once did he answer (or even really attempt to answer) a straight question in a straight manner.
Unhappy, crazy, nasty little man.
Thanks Isa! :->
Ding Dong!
Abdullah's Gone!
I wonder if he just got frustrated that we stubbornly refuse to see the obvious beauty and truth of Islam.
Who cares?
Lan Astaslem!
(But if you do come back, answer a question or two, and stop obsessing about one statement about alcohol!)