Saudi cleric says Muslim women should cover all but one eye

In Afghanistan they cover the whole body. I mean pretty sad and barbaric. Like property, a picture from the caveman days.

Saudi cleric Sheikh Mohammed al-Habadan merely wanted to give foreign couturiers -- Karl Lagerfeld, Valentino, Tom Ford -- a heads-up, so that they might now begin to make ready for the Spring 2009 Fashion Week what they will undoubtedly call, when ready, their "Polyphemus Collection." The runways, too, might need to be made wider; one wouldn't want any untoward accidents.

Love the Harryhausen special effects! My little brother and I used to play 'monster' on the lawn and we would imitate the stately movements of Harryhausen stop-action animation. We looked like two children putting on a kabuki play. Thanks for the memory.

Apparently, Islam loathes depth perception as well.

The next logical step in Saudi Arabia would be a fatwa governing the left eye/right eye question-- never mind which might be one's dominant eye.

Or, recalling a discussion on another recent thread, there's always a chance a "reformist" cleric with a flowing beard will decree: "You better get yourself some cheap sunglasses."

Apparently, Islam loathes depth perception as well. Posted by: awake

LOL!

Umm, couldn't women still use seductive makeup on the lone visible eye? I guess the cleric didn't think it through that far.

He looks familiar. And there are those dental problems again.

Islam appears to make men into a walking penis. Why are Muslim men so desirous that they must hide their women. It makes me think of Jesus saying that some very religious people are like a tomb ... they look great on the outside but inside they are all rot. That is what Islam is, except that the stink is leaking out everywhere.

Islam is an embarrassment to humanity.

Could you imagine what would happen if some idiot "cleric" tried to pull this in America? He'd be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

C'mon people of Islam, when are you men going to work up the courage to stand by and up for your women and put an end to this spiraling insanity? I can't imagine that your life is peaceful if your women are always depressed, frustrated, crying and despairing, no matter how much forced sex you can get. Don't you feel at least a little bit guilty for making somebody else's life so unbelievably miserable? Or have you convinced them all. like good little Stepford Wives, that they are happy, happy, HAPPY! (Or else.)

Al-Habadan has called on Saudi women to wear a full veil, or niqab, which covers the entire face, including one eye...

Then they can be blind in one eye and can't see out of the other...

What is more seductive than one eye blinking? When a woman starts blinking at you with one eye...look out.

Better the burka with the screen. That way the muslimah can blink all they want but the muslim men can't see it, saving them the agony of arousal, and nocturnal emissions in the day time.

Sheikh Mohammed al-Habadan has it about right. If you want to save muslim men from impure thoughts, and possible body symptoms, uncovered meat must be covered....The purity of Islam depends on it...

Here's an idea: just castrate Muslim men. Then none of this will be an issue anymore and they won't be so 'tormented' by female sexuality, and they can be truly 'pious' and devote all their energy toward hating on Jooooos. And all the little boys will be safe as well, not to mention really grateful. Seriously. Then their women can work and their societies can be productive. I'm starting a movement right now.

The 'castrate Muslim men' movement can double as reparations for those 900 years of slavery in Africa, during which all the men who weren't killed or made into soldiers were castrated, like, all-their-junk-removed castrated.

Perhaps, Hugh, the West will instead spawn a new Rudi Gernreich:

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&ndsp=20&hl=en&q=Rudi+Gernreich+%2B+topless+swimsuit&start=0&sa=N

And awake says, 'Apparently, Islam loathes depth perception as well.

Why not? In Arabia, women cannot drive, so what do they need depth perception for?

No surprise here. I never figured out why they didn't have women in full burqas from head to toe and everywhere in between in any case. The eyes of a woman ARE seductive. The goon has a point. And middle eastern women really love cosmetics and when they do themselves up they have very beautiful eyes. And therein lies the problem: it's not just hair, or face, or legs, or the shape and outline of the woman's body that bothers Muslims. It's the entire female human being. Of course a Muslim woman can't be running around showing her eyes! The body of a woman is like evil to Muslim men. Some Muslim clerics are even on record as saying a woman's only use is for having babies, cooking and cleaning.

"Islam appears to make men into a walking penis. Why are Muslim men so desirous that they must hide their women."

I don't think it's all that. I think Muslim men give the perception of being very self-controlled and very confident in their identity as Muslim men--like they are favored. Their culture and religion is male-oriented, totally and completely and they derive A LOT of power from that. They run everything. They run their homes, their businesses, their governments, everything. Women are a threat to them. Obviously, Muslim men CAN control themselves and aren't "walking penises", otherwise American prisons would be full of Muslim men, because there are scantily dressed women in America all over the place and Muslim men aren't just attacking them on the streets. I really don't think they hide their women becuase they lack self-control. I think they hide them because they are completely incapable of a relationship to a woman in a spirit of equality. I believe Muslim men in reality feel deeply inferior to women and that's why they hide them. The men have to be Number One in their societies. Can't have women in the way of that. So they hide their women, keep them covered, keep them uneducated and keep them pregnant.

"Islam is an embarrassment to humanity."

Ain't that the truth.

"Could you imagine what would happen if some idiot "cleric" tried to pull this in America? He'd be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail."

Yeah. Just as soon as all the hysteria subsided, all the tears of laughter dried, and everyone got a chance to change into dry undies.

Obviously, Muslim men CAN control themselves and aren't "walking penises", otherwise American prisons would be full of Muslim men

um madam v our prisons are full of muslim men though most are converts

So... does that mean that if I as a moslem woman, who loses her depth perception due to having only one eye, bumps into a pious male shall be stoned to death for improper conduct?

I'm sure allah says yes.

Stone me.. stone me now!

/heh

Here is an honest statement from a Mohammedan, why women have to be beaten:

"Dear readers – especially women – don’t think that I hate or am against women; rather, I simply mean to preserve the morals and principles with which Islam has honored us.

I hope my message is clear, since it’s really quite relevant to the future of our societies, which must be protected from any kind of cultural invasion."

Any questions?

http://yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=1117&p=community&a=6

Nice try, but April Fool's day has been and gone for this year.

Muslim men should cover their mouths.

Nothing sensible has ever issued from it since 600 A.D.

This article reminded me of this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGqJbpbNQ_o

just as well they're not allowed to drive.

The whole idea is to make women almost disappear.

If all muslim women were sterilized, they would vanish from the face of the earth, because they would become totally useless.

Muslim men believe the old adage, “A woman for children, a boy for pleasure, but for real ecstasy, a goat.”

The way these idiots act, it's a wonder they haven't gone extinct.

"um madam v our prisons are full of muslim men though most are converts"

I was referring to being in prison due to the uncontrollable urge to commit sexual violence against "improperly dressed" women. And the fact that those you speak of are converts, they don't count in the point I was trying to make.

Don't get me wrong--I am not defending Muslim men. Anyone who has seen any of my comments at this blog for the past year or more knows how I feel about the Mohammedans and their wacky ways. I was only making a point that the covering and hiding of their women isn't SOLELY because Muslim men lack sexual control.

That Saudi guy is completely contaminated by islamic illness!!

Saudi Princesses told to Coptic friends: "Saudi Arabia is hell!" Thus, Saudi women, even plenty of money, cannot be happy in that evil country!

SO: a eventual solution for the next President of the USA ... DIVIDERE ET IMPERARE!! The CIA prepares a nice dispute between Saudi princes and Saudi Arabia is divided in several parts:
- the west, with Medina and Mecca, limited to the historical Hijaz: no oil, no money, but all motivated Muslims are free to join their "sharia paradise" (i.e. HELL);
- the south, for Red Sea tourists;
- the east, with also central Saudi Arabia, with all the oil and more open minded princes, like Dubbai, with churches for Philippinos and foreign workers and Temples for Sri Lankeses,

Madame Vengier, I think you're wrong. When women are removed from society, when there's gender apartheid, when women all wear garbage bags and hide their faces, not only do men turn into animals (hence the incest and the raping little boys), but everything about women becomes absolutely pornographic. Elinor Burkett writes in 'So Many Enemies, So Little Time: An American Woman in All the Wrong Places' about how men would clammer just to see her face, acting like they were alone watching porn, asking her husband, who they didn't know of course, about sexual positions and everything. The women in burkas? They weren't even there as far as the men were concerned. They would walk down the street like they were running into shadows, fully expecting the burka'ed women to move aside.

I also think that Islam's ascetic aspects lead to an over-emphasis on sex because they're not supposed to listen to music, watch movies, watch good TV or any TV at all really, or even read for amusement, not that I would imagine there would be a single book worth reading available in Saudi Arabia. They also lack basic primary school educations, so they're not even trained to think like intelligent adults and being Muslim precludes basic human inquiry, let alone any purpose for self-betterment, what with their zero-sum approach to 'success.' Sex is all they've got, and they only have that under incestuous Sharia sex slavery with women who have no reason to not let themselves go or to be sexy at all. Would you want to have sex if you were married to a cousin 5 times your age to whom you were pimped away under physical duress, who's pretty unattractive anyway what with the long-ass beard, the institutionalized-sex-slavery-caused fat roll, and who is the product of a nation with 80% consanguinity (i.e., monkey-looking)? Me neither.

You are right that Muslim men do ultimately feel inferior to women. All misogynists do, as misogyny is the result of a lack of self-confidence, of a deep-seated insecurity, and of knowing deep-down that you're women's bitch. It's a pretty transparent phenomenon. All narcissistic projection is transparent, but none moreso than misogyny. Men know that women can do everything they can do, most things better, that we can do them longer, and that we'll do it with less whining. We can also do things that men can't do: bear children, have multiple orgasms, and most importantly here, control men with our sexuality. The fact that men can be controlled by female sexuality, if they are actually controlled anyway, makes them necessarily weak and stupid. So what are the two characteristics that Muslim men ascribe to women? Weakness and stupidity. See? Totally transparent. But you're wrong that they feel self-controlled. Self-controlled men abide by and believe deeply in the Golden Rule. Real men have self-control and therefore aren't threatened by women, gays, Jews, blacks, or anyone else. They are secure in their place in the world and nobody threates that just be existing and living.

The headscarf, the niqab, the burka all serve the purpose of reminding women that they are dirty, evil, and have no place in society. In Islam they say that women are to leave their house twice in their lives (of course escorted by their muhrim): on the day their family pimps them into incestuous Sharia sex slavery and on the day they die. Only one of those occasions is a happy one, depending on the slave owner. It's a culture based on insecurity. And insecurity usually has a basis. In that respect it's amaazing that such a house of cards has managed to survive as long as it has.

But blangwort, Sharia sex slavery and polygamy have ensured that they won't go extinct. But arranged marriages (which preclude natural selection) and the rampant incest in Islam (which causes evolution to work in reverse), which is nowhere more apparent than Saudi Arabia with its 80% rate of consanguinity, has ensured that they eventually end up in zoos. The misogyny is the reason. When women are devalued they simply have more babies. And when women have no role in society you get hellholes like every Islamic paradise. So it's no surprise that Muslims still exist, but the survival of Islam itself amazes me, and I'm convinced that not only does it hinge upon misogyny but it also hinges upon a lack of simple evolution. I mean, monkeys aren't sheep, but Muslims are. Monkeys are productive members of their societies which they keep in a constant state of flux, whereas Muslim societies are never self-sustaining and Muslims live their entire lives as parasites. Monkeys treat each other as equals, but Muslims divide the world into men/sex slaves and Muslims/infidel apes and pigs to be raped, enslaved, and murdered. Monkeys grow up to be well-adjusted, self-sufficient adults and they raise their children to be the same. Muslims never grow up. They need to be told when to get up, how to go to the bathroom, how to have sex, how to put their shoes on, what to eat, etc., etc., etc. It's not a coincidence that all the 30-year-olds who populate student housing for pedophiles are Muslim. They can't take care of themselves like the well-adjusted, self-sufficient adults they would have been 12 years earlier had been raised by monkeys instead of Muslims. What does that say about them?

"Madame Vengier, I think you're wrong."

And I think you have no business telling me I'm "wrong" for giving my perspective. It is not wrong. Just becuase someone types out something different from yourself, that doesn't make them wrong.

I will say AGAIN what I said before: Muslims veiling and hiding women is not SOLELY because Muslim men lack sexual self-control. I can't imagine WHAT on earth you find "wrong" with this statement.

And I didn't read your comments past the first sentence. I don't read 5 long paragraphs from anyone on this blog except for Hugh and Robert, and certainly not someone who opens up their lecture with "I think you are wrong".

Uh yeah, that's why I qualified it with 'I think,' and then went on to explain why, and then half-agreed with you. I then went on to respond to respond to what blangwort wrote. Sorry to burden your attention span. I wouldn't recommend that you ever have dinner with an Italian family because you wouldn't last 5 minutes.

Madame Vengier: "Muslim men CAN control themselves...., because there are scantily dressed women in America all over the place and Muslim men aren't just attacking them on the streets."

Maybe, maybe not. I don't know of this happening in America, but typing "muslim gang rapists" into google search yields some interesting reports from Australia, France, Sweden, and maybe others, but that's as far as I've gotten before not wanting to read anymore.

I don't think it's a matter that Mohammad worshippers can't control themselves physically...Obviously most of them can. The ones who can't are not actually out of control, they are just being good Mohammadans and emulating the boss.

The problem is that when a Mohammadan is controlling himself physically, he is losing it mentally, in fantasy land.

You cannot worship Mohammad and lust mentally after a woman at the same time.

To save the Mohammadan the agony of nocturnal emissions in the daytime, the object of his fantasy must be covered up.

Uncovered meat spoils the Mohammadan mind and he begins worshipping the meat instead of Mohammad/Allah.

Covering the meat prevents this, and also keeps out flies. Have you ever seen a fly in a niqab...I thought not...

I wonder if "Cousin IT" was a closet female follower of islam?

It may help explain Adam's side of the family.

With all due respect, I think the magician Sokurah had better pull in the movie than Sinbad (May God rest both their souls). Torin Thatcher has always been a favorite actor of mine.

JDRNN you sound you donot know what we are talking about. First every race,religion and very entic group have raper and gang bang is common to all the above. Unless you go to than Islamist Center to talk to and socialise with moslem you will never learn anything at all about truth. You know only slander against Islam and muslim make up by other. Most rape and gang banging is born by mexica christian as they
make up 70% of the population where I live and they all are born here and are citzen of the USA since brith.

When Ffion Jenkins jogged the length of Africa she said that on numerous occasions while going through Mauritania and Morocco at the end of her journey men would see her and disappear behind a tree. She thought they were urinating, but in fact they were masturbating. This would not happen in western society. In western society women are able to go on the beach, almost naked or actually sometimes naked, and men do not feel the uncontrollable urge to masturbate or commit adultery or pester them for sex. It is because we are exposed to women and are familiar with them we are able to exercise self control. In a society where women are completely hidden, this actually corrupts people. And the talk by "defender of islam" about what he calls "gang banging" - well I'd like to be a fly on wall in a household where one man has half a dozen wives - how is that not a gang bang? The fact of the matter is that men in the middle east obviously have a higher sex drive than men in the west. Their society is being unnaturally perverted by these religious edicts which create extreme sexual tensions. The simple solution to stop "desire" would be to BLIND ALL MOSLEM MEN then they could not be corrupted by women. Clearly Allah made a big mistake when he created adam and eve.

Stories abound about American women in relationships or marriages with Muslim men who talk about those men's duplicity. Phyllis Chesler describes it with her marriage to her college sweetheart who was adorable while they attended school together in New York but who turned into a rat bastard once they got to Afghanistan. Ali had been away at schools in Europe and America for fourteen years and when he got back home there was pressure to do his father's bidding which included controlling his Jewish born, independent wife. You can read about it here:
http://www.meforum.org/article/794

Then there was the duplicity practiced by Betty Mahmoody's husband while he lived in America. When he got fired from his job at an American hospital and became depressed, he talked Betty into going to Iran to visit his family for two weeks, fulling knowing he was lying through his teeth to his wife with no intention of coming back to America and with every intention of enslaving his American born wife and daughter. When Betty balked he just beat the crap out of here. That's part of why she left with her kid and wrote the book, "Not without my daughter."

In my own case I dated a Muslim man in the late 1990's who was Mr. Wonderful in business and in front of people. But one time at a night club when I cheered for some ballroom dancers who were practicing in front of us, he asked me in a sinister voice, "What was that?" One of them just happened to be a young man. This Muslim guy looked at me like he was going to kill me. I remember thinking, what just happened? I got out of there so fast he didn't know what was going on. My survival mechanism said go, and I did.

Now what would make this big, strong, gorgeous guy so insecure? The fact that I cheered for somebody else's exceptional dancing abilities? What the...? Are Muslim men so insecure that no one else can be praised in their presence without the danger of them becoming completely irrational and violent? In a word, YES. But my main point is that they function in our society in the guise of polite, well rounded gentlemen and then turn into a hound from hell when they get back to their own country with the prized booty, i.e., an American born woman with children. And why worry about their conscience bothering them or feeling guilty about lying to their wife, when the good old boy network supports any crappy thing they want to do, as long as it allows them to maintain control?

Perhaps it is something more simple. Perhaps they know what they do is wrong and know they will pay a high price for their abusive ways if they try and pull that garbage where American society can observe and condemn it. They know there will be consequences if they get caught. What strikes me as strange is why live with an American wife in America for years and years and then suddenly decide to go back home? Maybe they do this when they tire of the present wife and figure they'll just get her back there, take the kids and avoid long drawn out court battles for money and kids.

Pretty smart. Pretty despicable. Pretty darned duplicitous.

jdamn,
Good post. Too bad Madame didn't take the time to read it, it was well worth it.