Australian prof: Hindus responsible for Mumbai attacks

Try Planet Irf.

That little curry puff is peddling the same kind of thing. But htat's what makes him an enemy agent...

Ah, so that explains why the terrorists hit major tourist destinations and specifically targeted US and British nationals. Now it all makes sense!

Yeah, that's why 15-25 Israelis are being held hostage, and why the terrorists targeted, not just Judeo-Christians specifically, but American, British, and Israeli hostages.

Put her in prison for reckless endangerment of our side in a time of war.

Resisting the urge to grab this idiot female and shake her till her teeth rattle...

somebody please tell her the meaning of the term 'Hindu Kush'. 'Hindu Slaughter' - that is, the Slaughter of the Hindus (by Muslims).

Somebody tell her about the seventy to eighty million Hindus estimated to have been gleefully and systematically BUTCHERED in the course of some centuries of the Muslim invasion and occupation of India.

That figure, as I understand it, does not come from the entire period from the first Arab Muslim invasion of Sind in the ?8th century up until the Moguls in the 18th; it covers the latter half of that period.

Somebody get the books of K S Lal and Sita Ram Goel, and some others, and rub this woman's stupid nose in them.

Make her read every horrible soul-sickening detail of what that delightful 17th century Muslim Sufi 'saint' (*spit!*) Sirhindi (may his name be erased) says about how the non-Muslims must be treated, by the Muslims: with absolute contempt; dehumanised, crushed, extortionately taxed in order to keep them "terrified and trembling". How their temples must be destroyed (the tale of that destruction, just the names, fills three fat volumes). How they must be treated like dogs.

Shall we tell her how, when paying the jizya, the so-called 'protection' money (worse than useless - even if you paid it you could still be killed, robbed, raped if the Muslims felt like a bit of cruel fun), Hindus had to open their mouths so the Muslim Ubermenschen could spit in them?

The Hindus and Buddhists in Muslim-dominated India endured hell on earth.

Since obtaining their freedom in a secular state the non-Muslim Indians have not done to the Muslims in their midst - who have behaved with characteristic sloth, greed, aggressiveness, deceit and fraud and frequent outbreaks of horrifying violence - anything like what Muslims did to Hindus, for century after hellish century.

Shall we tell the good Professor about the sickening episode I encountered when reading one of the Indian chapters in Bostom's Legacy of Jihad? - how the Muslims impaled their Hindu captives, men, women, and children, upon spikes? How the Muslim armies systematically cut down forests into order to be able to mass murder the Hindu refugees who had hidden therein?

Some of us have been trying to stir for just one decent, objective, scholarly Department of Islamic Studies at one university in Australia to counter the arrant nonsense spouted at soi-disant 'Centres for Islamic Excellence" Excellence in what, you may ask? Taqqiya, sentimental hogwash and the sort of evil misinformation peddled by this Saudi whore. If she's not on their payroll, it's even worse: it makes her one of Joe Stalin's 'useful idiots."

Dumbledore, I stand in awe of your righteous rage over the dangerous nonsense spouted by this woman. I'm sorry that you have in your universities some of the same apologist ilk we have in the U.S. I checked her web site, and it looks like she lives in the same subspace of abstract nonsense, having no intersection with the real world, as many intellectuals over here. Is she really Saudi? I couldn't find her credentials, but maybe didn't look hard enough.

I had read similar theories yesterday.

(Can't remember where but I think it was a British news site).
The person said it couldn't be Al Qaeda because they have never used tactics like this.

WOW! You mean they can't ever change their MO?
What was their precedent for 9/11 then?

I think the fact they have taken Jewish hostages seems to clear up the notion that it could have been Hindus.

Any number of groups could have been responsible. The Deccan Mujahadeen claimed responsibility for it though.

Marika Vicziany in her own words:

Current Research Interests

I work mainly on India, Pakistan and western China and to a lesser extent on Malaysia. My major research projects at the present time are:

1. Regional and human security.
2. Religion and culture – Islam and Hinduism.
3. The rise of India and China as world economic superpowers

She has also done much research and visited the madrassahs of Pakistan.

"Any number of groups could have been responsible. The Deccan Mujahadeen claimed responsibility for it though."
Posted by islamfactor.org

Islamfactor, I looked at your web site. I wish you the best of luck in fostering open debate among thinking Muslims. It is a worthwhile endeavor. But as I said in another post, the mere fact that the group sports the name "Mujahideen" tells us all we need to know to identify make and model of the getaway car. It's color is irrelevant.

"My major research projects at the present time are:...Islam and Hinduism."
She has also done much research and visited the madrassahs of Pakistan.

So she knows -->
Therefore, she she can't be excused because of ignorance -->
Therefore, she must be lying to aid the enemy -->
Therefore, she is guilty of Treason.

Oops, sorry for taking this bullshit with the seriousness it deserves.

I'm embarrassed to say that Prof. Vicziany teaches at my former alma mater.

You must take a look at this PC crap:

"Behind the Mumbai Massacre: India's Muslims in Crisis:"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081127/wl_time/08599186265000

Hi Folks,,

HAPPY THANKSGIVING to you guys in the States,,

Put her in prison for reckless endangerment of our side in a time of war.

Posted by: DenverRodeo
>>>>

I agree with you DenverRodeo,, I feel the apologists are TRAITORS,, and should be considered enemies of our advanced cilivilization.

The islamic craphole,, is NOT a advanced civilization, they are 7th century medieval barbarians.

Fools like this woman,, really need to educate themselves.

here is a GREAT article for our Infidel tool belts,, from www.thereligionofpeace.com

http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Catholic-Convert-Leaves-Islam.htm

and I agree 100% with Glen,, this is a EXCELLENT article,,, I am putting this one out VIRAL!!

Bright Blessings

solsticewitch13

"don't annoy the bikers
it's a islam free zone"

This 'prof'doesn't know what she is talking about

Time mag comes ot in full support of the mujaheddin:

Behind the Mumbai Massacre: India's Muslims in Crisis

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081127/wl_time/08599186265000

@dumbledore
Thank you for taking the time to inform us on the realities of the islamic jihad in India. Very few in the west know about KS Lal and Sita Ram Goel.
Thank you again.

The feeling is that these bombings are about revenge and retribution. Muslims in Western India feel that they have been under attack, and they (sic) attack is coming from Hindu fundamentalists and Hindu extremists.
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Yes, I'm sure that's why they stormed the Lubavitch Chabad house--because what better place to look for "Hindu extremists" than in a Synagog? And what about the search for hostages with British and American passports? Hindu "Communalists", no doubt, one and all.

islamfactor.org wrote:

Any number of groups could have been responsible. ...................

Sure--my guess is the Church of England. Probably an attempt to reestablish the Raj, and have "Mumbai" renamed "Bombay".

This is my favorite passage from the article, "Behind the Mumbai Massacre: India's Muslims in Crisis" cited by both Darcy and Sheik Yer'mami:

"The huge gap between Muslims and Hindus will continue to haunt India's, and neighboring Pakistan's, progress towards peace and prosperity."

So now, India is responsible not only for the illiteracy and lack of progress of their own Muslim population, but for independent *Pakistan's* as well? How does that make even the smallest amount of sense?

Well, I guess it makes as much sense as the West being held responsible for global poverty--even of the self-afflicted variety. Clearly, the only solution is to increase Jizya payments--uh, that is, increase foreign aid for development.

Eastview,

Thanks for your comment. Its my small way of trying to make the world a safer place. The battle truly is won in the hearts and minds.

Unfortunately, you still get nuts like these wackjobs in Mumbai who support every crime a Muslim commits and call them martyrs and Mujahadeen.

I heard on CNN that this was an effort to, not only bring economic instability to Mumbai, but also to control the city.

From what I understand, the police were overwhelmed and troops had to be called in from Delhi. They sustained heavy casualties among the Indian troops. Commandos are still assaulting terrorists holed up in hotels.

maxilo

glad to be of help. I just thought the books should be mentioned for the benefit of new people who may be coming across this website as they respond to the news of the jihadi assault on Mumbai.

K S Lal can be read online and is very clear and easy to understand. There are extended excerpts from these and from primary sources - such as Muslim chroniclers - in Andrew Bostom's 'Legacy of Jihad', which make the basic facts available to non-academics.

Strictly speaking you should thank not me but Mr Spencer's friend Hugh Fitzgerald who has frequently mentioned these, and other, works, on many occasions. I would probably not know about them, had not Mr Fitzgerald drawn attention to them.

I also enjoy V S Naipaul who tells it like it is. He gave a very illuminating - even prophetic - interview on Australia's radio national, on - wait for it - 9th September 2001. I'll link it here as it's a good introduction.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/spiritofthings/stories/2001/361036.htm

Here's the money quote, so to speak:

V.S. Naipaul:
" I think I would like to go back just a little bit to the wretchedness of India, and to talk about what might have caused it, that people behave as though it was always there, it was an eternal. I don’t think it was an eternal.

"India was destroyed by the Muslim invaders, they ruled it severely and ravaged it for five to six centuries and they left nothing behind.

"They didn’t build a school, no institutions, so that was the cause of the poverty, that utter wretchedness where people had no faith in institutions, had no-one to appeal to ever, produced this idea of holy poverty. I think we have to understand that.

Rachael Kohn: So the religious ideals grew out of a social and political context, are you saying?

"V.S. Naipaul: I think so, yes, grew out of wretchedness, grew out of defeat, and it’s not beautiful at all..".

And a little further on:
" I don’t think beauty comes out of defeat,

' I think the Indian wretchedness comes out of the Indian defeat, and this idea of experiencing is utterly wrong.

'I don’t think the Sanskrit texts pre the Muslim conquest, dealt in this kind of negation. I think this negation has come with the years of squalor and defeat."

What better summary could one find, to describe the psychological and physical damage inflicted on India by the centuries of Muslim imperial misrule and oppression?

Read the whole interview: he has some *very* interesting things to say, toward the end, about Muslim encroachment in the UK, for example. Remember, the interview was recorded and broadcast, in Australia, on 9th September 2001.

Turkish couple let off by terrorists for being Muslims
November 28th, 2008
Times of India

* While the MSM goes to any length to avoid the word Islam or Muslim, sizable numbers of “terrorism experts” muddle the water. But it is quite obvious what’s going on:

All the hostages were asked to reveal their religion. When the Muezzinoglus said they were Muslims, their captors told them that they would not be harmed. The other three Caucasian women were removed from the room next day, and the terrorists informed the Muezzinoglus that they had been shot.

* Breaking: Commandos get ready for final assault on Chabad house, LIVE here

So if the Moslems in India feel so threatened, why do they stay? Pakistan -- and don't forget that Bangladesh used to be part of Pakistan -- was created to be the homeland of the sub-continent's Moslems. So why don't they go to Pakistan? In particular, why don't the millions of Bangladeshi "refugees" in India return to Bangladesh? Is it because, despite being Moslems, they live better in India than they would among their co-religionists in P and B? There can't be much of a threat to them in India if they prefer to stay there rather than going to their homeland.

"So if the Moslems in India feel so threatened, why do they stay?"
-- from a posting above

Or another question might be asked: why have Muslims come, by the millions, into India, from Bangladesh?

The feeling is that these bombings are about revenge and retribution. Muslims in Western India feel that they have been under attack, and they attack is coming from Hindu fundamentalists and Hindu extremists."
--- from the article above

But why then attack not Hindus, but Westerners, looking especially for Americans and British? And the explanation for Muslim terrorism in "Western India" that is proferred, that it is merely trhe result of the Muslims feeling that "they have been under attack" one surely needs to consider why it is that Muslims have either attacked, or threatened to attack, non-Muslims, everywhere in the world, under vastly different political systems, and different kinds of non-Muslims, and different demands, and different treatment. Yes, these attacks over a very long period, or some more recent, and the threats of attacks, can be seen in the Philippines and in Indonesia (the Christians of Indonesia do not attack the Muslims; it has always been the other way round), in Thailand and Bangladesh, in India and Kashmir and in Pakistan, in Sudan and Nigeria, in Tunisia (was the attack on the synagogue at Djerba triggered by Jews in Tunisia "attacking" Muslims?), in Cairo (have the Copts gone on rampages against the Muslim army, the Muslim police, the Muslim government, the Muslims themselves who have been attacking Copts for centuries?) Are the Muslims who kill Christians in Iraq now, because those Muslims "feel that they have been under attack" from those Christians, or are they killing and threatening Christians for no other reason than that now, they with impunity can? When Muslims have attacked Christians in Lebanon, or when the "Palestinian" Muslim Arabs attack the "Palestinian" Christian Arabs, in Gaza and in the "West Bank," is it because those Muslim Arabs "feel they have been under attack" from the Christian Arabs who have, in fact, been loyally furthering the same cause, the Jihad against Israel, as the Muslims, both out of fear of the Muslims and desire to curry favor with them, and in some cases having made , the "Palestinian" or Arab cause their own. And the "Palestinian" islamochristians have continued to hope, so vainly, that if they do everything to please the Muslims, that ultimately they will be able to turn away Muslim wrath, but no matter how craven their own collaboration with Muslim Arabs against Israsel, they find that the stronger the Muslim Arabs feel themselves, and the less they think they need the Christian Arabs to offer a facade for the West, the more open their violence against the Christian "Palestinian" Arabs who, for their pains, are and will forever receive from the Muslims still greater pains.

..then comes Sunday.

Cry. Me. River.

Her email address (marika.vicziany@arts.monash.edu.au)
bounced. Here was my email to her

Hi,

"But the Hindu Muslim situation in Bombay and Western India is so bad that you don't need Al-Qaeda to stir trouble.
The feeling is that these bombings are about revenge and retribution. Muslims in Western India feel that they have been under attack, and they attack is coming from Hindu fundamentalists and Hindu extremists."

From your website, you seem to truly consider that you are informed on the situation in India.Or maybe you are just a pseudo-intellectual who loves making outrageous and unproven statements. Or maybe you live in an insular intellectual world of your own making.

Anyways, I'm writing this e-mail hoping you do have an open mind. If not please feel free to ignore it.

The few points I had to make:
A. Kashmir, earlier Punjab and most of North-east India has been proven and admitted by most independent observers as being entirely fostered by Pakistan as a means of keeping India in check.
B. The LeT and other Pakistan based groups actually used to have Pakistani military regulars acting as terrorists. With Al-Qaeda, they now have a steady supply of crazed maniacs.
C. Admittedly there has been a few stains caused by the minuscule and almost invisible minority of Hindu extremists. The Indian administration has been steady in identifying and arresting these elements.
D. The Pakistan and middle East sponsored terrorists, in contrast have wreaked havoc on innocent children, women and men. You are implicitly supporting Islamic terrorists when they take hostage, and murder in cold blood sick hospital patients. Makes my bile rise.

Regards,
An Indian

PS. By the way, I'm a Hindu brought up in a Christian dominated area of north east India, One of my best friends was a Muslim Bangladeshi immigrant. He was a realist and I'm sure he would agree to every point I have made here.
Oh yes, also, I advocate life sentences for each and every Hindu involved in the Gujarat attacks. You can find evidence of that if you are ever on Orkut. However unlike yourself, I also advocate clear and direct action against Islamic terrorists as well as terrorist training camps wothin Pakistan, irrelevant of the political repercussions. People like you discussed pseudo-intellectually about Nazi policies when they were spreading confusion and commiting mass murder and are almost as much to blame as these inhumane pricks.

Try Marika.Vicziany@adm.monash.edu.au

I am going to personally follow this one up. {legally and non-violently}.
It will be sent all info on the murderous behaviour of it's {assumed} fellow mooslimes. Does anyone else {ie Mac} want to assit?

OT...Happy Thanksgiving to all our American friends...stay safe and happy.

"Or another question might be asked: why have Muslims come, by the millions, into India, from Bangladesh?

Posted by: Hugh "

To subdue, conquer or otherwise remove all Non Muslims from the land?

Gee, Pulsar: did you have to be so blunt?