Daniel Pipes on Obama's ties to radical Islam(ists)

Doesn't matter. He's still going to get elected tomorrow.

Talk about guilt by association.

Talk about guilt by association.

Posted by: Mpayne1 at November 3, 2008 12:38 PM

Actually the problem here is naming someone who's historically associated with Obama who isn't shady, and I don't mean Powell.

That being said, the MSM was completely unconcerned about all these associations and I fear it is too late.

Remember, the MSM buried Reverand Jermiah Wright until after Super Tuesday.

One wonders if the Obama entourage would really invite immediate dismay, and fury, by appointing to head the State Department and the Pentagon those who, because of their palpable display of want of sympathy for the plight of Israel,as demonstrated in some cases by Senate voting records that astonish for the consistency of the anti-Israel theme are also, and unsurprisingly, and possibly as a result of that coldness or indifference toward Israel, those least prepared, temperamentaly and intellectually, to begin to comprehend the meaning, and menace, of Islam.

I'd worry most about that: who is going to be appointed to those positions. They can do a lot of good, or a lot of harm, as the American government can either end the Iraq folly, for the right reasons -- to conduct the war of self-defense against Jihad far less expensively, and much more effectively -- or for the wrong reasons, and for the wrong reasons means to choose the path of continued indifference to what is happening all over the world, as in Western Europe, by means of the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da'wa, and demographic conquest, or in southern Thailand or southern Philippines, or in Kashmir or India proper, by Muslims hell-bent on waging Jihad by whatever means they have at hand, and that for the moment are likely to get the best results.

It is important that people be chosen to refashion the war of self-defense against Jihad who will not, for other reasons, be disinclined to properly analyze the threat, and those least inclined to do so, I'm afraid, are those who are most inclined to find fault with, and wish to diminish support for, Israel. It may not, in all cases, rise to the level of antisemitism, but it is certainly a telling sign of a likely inability to be able to analyze the meaning, and recognize the menace, of Islam.

Too little, too late. The time for this issue to be examined was during the primaries. Where was the media?
They had a second chance over the last three months. Where was the media?
They're going to get their candidate elected. Hope they enjoy seeing their own freedoms curtailed. The same goes for Democratic primary voters and caucusgoers. You asked for it. You got it.

Yeah go on... vote for McTurk.

Greekamericans for Obama!!

P.S. where was McTurk when Biden was pressing for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide

"Remember, the MSM buried Reverand Jermiah Wright until after Super Tuesday."

I totally agree with you about this, THAT is what people should be talking about. That is what is unacceptable.

The efforts to link him at all cost to Islam (as pipes is clearly doing) is fear-mongering at its worst.

to repeat an old phrase. You can tell someone's character by the friends they associate with.

I can't stand the thought of 4 years of sanctimonious preaching, arrogance and smugness.
Then sanctimonious surprise when it all goes in the tank.

Ugh.
Vote McCain.

My impression is that while neither candidate has shown any aptitude for properly analyzing Jihad in its many manifestations, Obama's Iraqi policy readily dovetails with Hugh's...which may or may not signify the latter's Presidential preference.

On the other hand, while Robert has done nothing to promote McCain, it's clear he has tried to warn us over and over about Obama. For those of us who passionately oppose Obama, this has been a great relief, that our fearless leader suffers none of the myopia that has afflicted other personalities in the anti-Jihad camp (I'm referring to the likes of Chris Hitchens, Andrew Sullivan, and other psuedo-conservatives).

To all those who say it matters not who wins this election, I say: what planet are you living on?

The efforts to link him at all cost to Islam (as pipes is clearly doing) is fear-mongering at its worst.

Posted by: Mpayne1 at November 3, 2008 1:06 PM

But, Obama's old church regularly praised and honored Muslims like Louis Farrakhan.

His ties to Khalidi and his background with a Muslim father belies his possible support for and historical ties to Islam.

As Americans, and yes as Republicans & Democrats, but as Americans first and foremost, why don't these associates of Obama raise some serious questions and concerns to the point where every American is PRESSING Obama for some real answers to these legitimate questions?

Instead, most Americans seem to be satisfied with allowing Obama to give us very vague answers that really only dismiss the issue? What has happened to our country, and what has happened to common sense and our right to know the whole truth? It seems that now we are comfortable giving Obama one pass after another to these legitimate concerns and questions pertaining to his Friends & Connections? Connections, I might add, that go beyond the pale.

NOBAMA '08!

If there is a 1% chance that Obama is Muslim or a Muslim sympathizer, I will not vote for him. And there is way more than a 1% chance, maybe a 75% chance or more.

Excellent point, spot on!

[i]The efforts to link him at all cost to Islam (as pipes is clearly doing) is fear-mongering at its worst.[/i]

Far from fear mongering.

For starters, Obama has done everything possible to associate himself with shady Muslims and supporters of Islamic terrorism. He has few friends that aren't Muslim, Muslim sympathizers or outright criminals.

Nor doe he believe in Christmas or celebrating birthdays - two more strikes against him. And no one has questioned why as a Christian he doesn't believe in Christmas or why he doesn't give to charity.

Then there is his joining a church that is a off-shoot of NOI(NOI for Blacks who don't want to be NOI members) that preaches anti-semitism, black separatism and supremacy, blames whites for all problems, praises HAMAS, etc.

Trinity can't even be called a Christian church nor its members Christian. There is no Nicene Creed there, there is nothing there except hate.

Then there is his so-called secret meeting with a Hezbollah rep in Dearborn.

Then there's his recitation the Muslim call to prayer in perfect Arabic and stating its one of the most beautiful sounds on earth. Something he's never said about any other religion or even western music for that matter.

Obama is at best western values hating non-Christian with strong sympathies towards militant Islam and its agenda.

The time to change minds of voters has pretty much passed by now with the exception of those independent die-hards who will go into the polls and vote on how they may feel at that moment. We will await the outcome tomorrow night or Wednesday morning.

Is there a possible upset in the works, such as the "Bradley Effect" taking form? The Former African American Mayor of Los Angeles, and former Los Angeles Police Officer who appeared solid in the run for Governor of California but surprisingly failed in the election showing that the polls where way off in the state.

Is polling data accurate? There is really no true way to know for sure as many polls, in fact way to many polls are skewed to a pollers agenda to a certain degree. A Fox poll can run 80Pct. in favor of McCain, and a CNN poll will favor Barack Obama by 56 Pct., while an MSNBC Poll may show Obama in the lead by an even much larger percentage.

The issues that concern voters about Obama from William Ayers, Reverand Jeremiah Wright,Rashad Khalidi,and his liberal agenda among so many other revelations seems to have hardly put a dent in his across the board poll averages, even as newer and more disturbing revelations are surfacing as we speak.

The concerns now should be; will the House, and Senate tap into that 60 Pct. majority that will pretty much shove the Republican base under the bus at will? The Democrats will only work together if it supports their liberal agenda. American political watchers will study the conservative base of the Democratic party in efforts to keep Obama's liberal agenda at bay.

There is the need more than ever to have people in our government who will speak up strongly when it comes to our national security which is the most solemn duty of the President under our constitution Article 1,Section 1 & 2.

waltc:

I, as a Christian of the old-school Reformed (popularly called "Calvinist" persuasion) have many friends and associates who do not observe Christmas. I myself do not believe that it should be an obligatory matter for any church on the grounds that the celebration and setting aside of a holy day other than the Lord's Day is unknown to the Scriptures. This belief that the church may worship only as God has laid down in is own Word (the Scriptures) has a long pedigree and is found not only among Reformed people but also among Plymouth Brethren and a number of other Bible-oriented groups.

This being said, I doubt that the United Church of Christ Congregation of which Obama was a member was ever so solicitous about the beliefs of its Puritan forbears.

My problem with Obama's religious associations is that Jeremiah Wright hates white people, blames them for all the ills of the world (as if non-whites weren't born in original sin, too), and calls on God to damn the U.S. There's a lot going on in the USA that I don't like, either (Roe v. Wade, the same-sex marriage movement, institutionalized covetousness), and that I think are abominations to God, but the Bibles I read (King James, Guoyu Union, and urtexten), when they go in for prophetic denunciation, involve a prayer for the offending nation's repentence. See Jeremiah's call on the exiles to pray for Babylon's peace, the book of Jonah, and Solomon's dedicatory prayer at the building of the temple. Yes, I pray divine grace on Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the Taliban, too, and leave the damnation to God. Why? Divine grace means that people turn from their false gods and embrace Jesus Christ as he is presented in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments. If the Saudis, Iranians, and Afghans embraced Christ en masse, thered' be no more Wahabism, Shi'ah extremism, Taleban, etc.

And yet no-one says anything about the two lobbyists for Sauld Arabia that were co-chair and finance director of the McCain campaign?

These people were paid by the Saudi government to convince the U.S. that the Saudis weren't teaching every school-child in the Kingdom, as well as hundreds here in America, that Jews and Christians were scum, and should be conquered by Mulims.

What was that about "the company you keep"?

"Obama's Iraqi policy readily dovetails with Hugh's..."
-- from a poster above

No, Obama's policy in Iraq, while not entirely clear, hardly "dovetails" with what I have suggested in the past. Nor does his attempt to couple the withdrawal of troops, in a period far too drawn-out for my taste (and would he leave the Iraqis with any American weaponry?) from Iraq, with moving more troops into Afghanistan, as Obama's candidate for that "central front" everyone keeps looking for (in that misnamed "war on terror") have anything to do with what I have been suggesting.

It is true, however, that the removal of American forces from Iraq are now made far easier by the perfectly predictable behavior of the Shi'a government. It has used the Americans, used them until power could be solidified, and to dampen the power of the Sunnis, and now, it is time for those Americans to go unless they agree to terms that are absurd. For what would it mean if Americans remained in Iraq, passing out money, "reconstructing," but not allowed to use their mere handful of temporary bases in any way useful to the Americans -- that is, to use them in possible attacks on Iraq or Syria or other enemies?

If the bases are never to be used, what good are they? Are the Americans to remain around, for another year or two or three, and spend another three hundred or two hundred billion dollars, in order to possibly intervene, to act as "peacemakers" among people who have been raised up in Total Belief-System that encourages mendacity with, and hostility toward, all non-Mulisms, and that inculcates the notion that compromise with one's enemies is wrong (though occasional, feigned compromise in order to buy time or gain an advantage is permitted), and that there are only two possible outcomes for the party in any quarrel: that of Victor or that of Vanquished.

The only way to justify withdrawal from Iraq is to rightly paint the Iraqis as ungrateful (Churchill's "ungrateful volcano"), and to explain, in feigned sorrow, that "we've done everything that it is humanly possible to do and now the Iraqis really must make the necessary compromises, and with their bursting surpluses, pay their own way, for the war in Iraq has already cost us two trillion dollars in sunk, and committed future costs).

And if a larger commitment of troops is to avoided, or once committed, later withdrawn, it will require that the next President justify this not through a policy of declared appeasement ("finding common cause" with Muslism, "addressing their grievances" and so on), which will raise holy hell, not least from many of those who may, for reasons having to do with economic distress, and continuing to harbor grave reservations, nonetheless vote for Obama, but can turn on a dime, or at least a quarter, if all the worries about him and his naive (or worse) worldview, turn out to be true.

In the next four years, the sentimental messianism ("freedom" to "ordinary moms and dads" etc.) of the Bush Administration must, necessarily, end. In Western Europe, encouragement must be given to all those who, in those countries, despite the control of so much of the press and government by appeasers or apologists, at their wits' end and not knowing quite what to do, have understood the threat of Islam to the political and legal institutions and social arrangements of non-Muslim states and societies, and are willing to take measures to halt Muslim immigration, and to diminish the large-scale Muslim presence that, wherever it is to be found, has created a situation for both the indigenous Infidels, and for other, non-Muslim immigrants, that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and dangerous than would be the case without such a large-scale Muslim presence.

The next President surely will have to do what no President before has done, which is to read Saudi Arabia the riot act, and threaten all kinds of retaliation (denial of access to Western education and medical care, taxes on gasoline and oil even larger than may be planned for economic reasons, a propaganda campaign conducted against Saudi Arabia, in which the contents of its textbooks become the subject of political speeches and the nightly news, and much more) unless it stops deploying huge sums, the Money Weapon, to fund efforts everywhere to strengthen Islam and the Muslim presence in the Western world, and to conduct propaganda designed to weaken Western resolve, and delay the day of recognition of what Islam inculcates, and what, as the behavior of Muslims today, and over the past 1350 years demonstrates, is so easily taken to heart.

And there will have to be, all over the Westeern world, disucssion that is not based on what one wished were only so, but on sober acknowedgement that the ideology of Islam is the source of the menace, and that only those who have read the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, and grasped their meaning (and some guides may be necessary) have fulfilled the responsibility of finding out about something before making pronouncements. And when Islam is talked about in this way, one can start by talking and writing synecdochically about "the Jihad" or "those who believe in Jihad" or "all those who believe in Jihad, which is to say, who believe that every obstacle to the spread and dominance of Islam, all over the globe, must be removed." That will be enough. That will do the trick, especially when it is further revealed that Jihad is a duty incumbent on all Muslims.

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Obama is a terrible choice to be sure. However, McCain is not that much better a candidate. Both are interventionalists of the Bush Sr./Clinton variety. At least one (McCain) continues to believe in Bush's "democracy" project for the ME. Both would harm America's interests. Both are naive and, as far as I can tell, equally ignorant about history. (But being well versed hardly makes one a realist, e.g Clinton.) One, however, will greatly hasten America's fall and ensure that recovery will not come. That "one" is Obama.

Where is our Diocletian?
I recommend that everyone read this article.

Let's not forget khalid al-mansour.

OK Hugh, given that neither candidate is likely to pursue the policy recommendations you have offered, which one do you perceive as coming closer than the other?

Is there a possible upset in the works, such as the "Bradley Effect" taking form?

Mackie,

Forget the Bradley Effect. Early voting has rendered it meaningless. Exit polls tomorrow will tell you approximately how those who vote tomorrow are breaking down but when two million votes have already been cast in a single state, tomorrow's exit polls for that state won't mean much.
Democrats went bananas in 2004 because exit polling didn't match up with a state's outcome. They totally ignored the votes that had already been cast, thanks to the Help America Vote Act.

If California or New York go Republican THEN you can look for the Bradley Effect.

"...given that neither candidate is likely to pursue the policy recommendations you have offered, which one do you perceive as coming closer than the other?"
-- from a posting above

Well, the more fools they.

At the moment both are, for different reasons and with different advisers and hampered by different assumptions and misperceptions and different kinds of sentimentality, just about perfectly equidistant from those "policy recommendations" of mine, the ones I have preseneted, over and over and over again, since late February 2004, usually deliberately using the same fixed phrases for mnemonic purposes, policy recommendations that make so much sense, every which way you look at them, would be so effective, and so inexpensive, and intelligently exploit the weaknesses within the Camp of Islam, that you'd have to make yourself practically deaf, dumb and blind not to see the wisdom of what I suggest. Many, unfortunately, have proven equal to the task.

Yes, the two of them are perfectly equidistant from the Wisdom of the Ages that I have been offering here, at no additional charge.. Or, as I might put it for those who have arrived recently from Oaxaca and Michoacan, dos-equisdistantly.

Yeah go on... vote for McTurk.

Greekamericans for Obama!!

P.S. where was McTurk when Biden was pressing for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide

Posted by: athenian

Cutting off your nose to spite your face?

What does the Armenian genocide have to do with any of this?

And yet no-one says anything about the two lobbyists for Sauld Arabia that were co-chair and finance director of the McCain campaign?

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What was that about "the company you keep"?

Posted by: give me doughnuts

Who said McCain was any better?
(Never mind. I know a lot of people have.)
I'm still not voting for either one. I don't trust either one of these crooks. Both will sell out the people of the US in a heartbeat.

The company one keeps, on the other hand, over a long period, may not be easy to forget, and impossible to forgive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc2FCJ7zWEQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWigzBClEk8

HUGH: "Or, as I might put it for those who have arrived recently from Oaxaca and Michoacan, dos-equisdistantly."

RESPONSE: It's been over 3 decades, but I remember the tops from Oaxaca being large, brown and leafy...not nearly as dense or potent as those from Santa Marta, Colombia.

HUGH: "The company one keeps, on the other hand, over a long period, may not be easy to forget, and impossible to forgive..."

RESPONSE: You're not so bad after all, sir. I'll buy you a hypothetical brew, but Corona, not Dos Equis.

My vote for Commander in Chief boils down to which candidate is most likely to adhere to the Constitution which he will swear to defend.

"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Compare and Contrast:

John McCain laid his life on the line to defend the American Constitution as is.

vs.

Obama who states the American Constitution is fundamentally flawed.

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"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston Churchill

heroyalwhyness, Amen.

Double amen, heroyalwhyness.

Meanwhile...Steelers/Redskins...football is beautiful, even when it's ugly.

"Barack Obama's birth and youth as a Muslim, a fact that he completely denies.."

One of my favorite authors has a lot to say about statements such as this, which he equates to child abuse:
"I think we should all wince when we hear a small child being labeled as belonging to some particular religion or another. Small children are too young to decide their views on the origins of the cosmos, of life and of morals." - Richard Dawkins

Pipes is trying to equate being born a Muslim as what? Genetically determined? Why doesn't he attack Ibn Warriq or Ayaan Hirsi Ali, they were born and spent their youth as Muslims. Pipes really is an ignorant human being whose words are meaningless.

Dick Morris, who has been smack in the middle of more of these things then he probably cares to remember, hinted tonight that no model exists to accurately gauge a turnout of such unprecedented proportions. Stayed turned..... at least to see what the timing of the "coal" release shall yield in major battleground coal producing states. Things shall get a lot hairy regardless, but those who drive for a living will certainly fair better under a Mccain administration, which strangely enough, contrary to alarmists, would pursue a meaningful attempt toward an environmentally friendly direction energy direction, though it's doubtful they will go as far as to truly reduce dependence on foreign oil, they are all politicians after all.

herroyalwhyness,

Love that quote, allow me to impart another from the late, but hardly extinguished voice of Churchill:

"Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the State... This state is to be the arch-employer, the arch-administrator and ruler, and the arch-caucus-boss."

Thus we descend Into That Darkness . . .

The OBAMAIAN AGE Is Begun!

. . . And God save us all!!

What have we come to!?

“The Obamanation”

May God be with us.

"P.S. where was McTurk when Biden was pressing for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide"

Greek-Americans for Obama? When will you people reject dhimmitude? Even the Turks understand what the Dhimmicrats in Congress were up to. McCain was far more concerned about the safety of American armed forces, and it's about time you 'Greek-Americans' and 'Armenian-Americans', as well as the rest of you hyphenated types become Americans first!