FBI watching Phoenix-area Muslim leaders

And for very good reason. "A Muslim must try his best to abide by the rulings of Sharia whenever possible as much as he can. He should not allow himself to be liable to those western laws that contradict the clear-cut Islamic rulings."

"Ariz. Muslim leaders face increased FBI scrutiny," by Sean Holstege and Dennis Wagner for the Arizona Republic, November 16 (thanks to all who sent this in):

The FBI has sharpened its scrutiny of some Phoenix-area Muslim leaders because of their links to two controversial incidents and a federal probe into the financing of terrorist groups.

No Arizonan has been accused of supporting terrorist groups or actions. However, a Mesa man was charged with lying to the FBI during the financing investigation.

The events that triggered the stepped-up scrutiny were the federal probe into a Muslim charity accused of funneling money to the Palestinian group Hamas; a target-shooting episode in Phoenix this year involving a large group of Muslim men and boys firing hundreds of rounds from AK-47s and other guns; and the high-profile removal in 2006 of six Arizona-bound imams from a jetliner after passengers and crew complained of their behavior.

But of course, we shouldn't be concerned about any of that, and if we are, we are racists:

Although some Islamic leaders say they understand the scrutiny, they also view it as another sign that innocent Muslims unjustly fall under suspicion because of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

"Whoever did Sept. 11, go after them and see who they are. I'm not going to pay for them. I'm not going to be guilty," said Marwan Sadeddin, one of the Valley imams who sued US Airways after being removed from a jetliner in Minneapolis. Like the others, he was questioned by FBI agents after the incident, in addition to being questioned about the arrested Mesa man.

The FBI is monitoring the family and community ties among Valley residents involved in the jetliner, shooting and charity probes, said John Lewis, who runs the FBI's Arizona office.

"All of these things come on our scope," said Lewis, the agency's former head of counterterrorism operations.[...]

For many years, several mosques in Phoenix and Tucson legally raised money for the Holy Land Foundation, which was the largest Muslim charity in the United States.

Islamic civil-rights groups argue that Muslim Americans donated to the charities to support hospitals and orphanages in the West Bank and Gaza. Although Hamas and Hezbollah have organized attacks against Israeli civilians, their humanitarian missions are central to Palestinians' fight for survival, civil-rights groups say.

The federal government charged the foundation's leaders with raising $12 million for Hamas. The first trial in Dallas ended in October 2007 with a deadlocked jury, a stunning setback for the government's biggest-ever terrorism financing case. A new trial has gone to the jury.

Abdallah is not a witness or defendant in that case. But as the FBI looked into Holy Land Foundation contributions, he was indicted in August on one count of lying about the fundraising to federal agents. An FBI tactical squad swarmed into a northwest Phoenix cafe to arrest him. Abdallah pleaded not guilty and was released without bail. No trial date has been set.

Abdallah, a naturalized citizen who arrived in the country in the late 1970s, did not return calls.

His 20-year-old son, Saiaf, is one of the half-dozen suspects facing felony charges from the target shooting. The younger Abdallah declined to comment except to say, "In the past five to six years, Muslims have been falsely accused of many things."

Controversial imams

The saga of the six traveling imams touched off a national controversy and attracted federal scrutiny. Much of the focus has been on the group's spokesman, Omar Shahin.

Shahin, who lives in Phoenix and presides over the North American Imams Foundation, led the Arizona delegation of six imams to its conference in Minneapolis in 2006. After boarding the return flight to Phoenix, passengers and crew reported that the men chanted loudly to Allah and spoke angrily about President Bush and America's war in Iraq.

All six imams were handcuffed and later interrogated, then released with no charges. US Airways banned the men from future flights.

Shahin led a news conference to condemn prejudice against Muslims. The imams later sued the airline, airport police and an FBI agent, claiming they had been degraded and humiliated unlawfully. US Airways officials have said they acted appropriately. The lawsuit is ongoing.

Shahin's involvement was one factor that drew the FBI's attention to the case and intensified its interest in Muslims' activities in Arizona.

A strident scholar of Islamic law and prolific charity fundraiser, the 47-year-old Shahin had been under the FBI's microscope before but has never been accused of wrongdoing.

In the late 1980s, Shahin served as imam at the Islamic Center of Tucson, where he headed a Muslim youth group. The mosque was a hub for adherents to the radical Wahhabi school of Islam, some of whom later became important aides to Osama bin Laden in the al-Qaida terrorist group.

Weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, Shahin, a Jordanian-born naturalized citizen, said he did not believe Muslims were responsible for destroying the World Trade Center and questioned the accuracy of the FBI's list of hijackers.

While in Tucson, Shahin raised money for the Holy Land Foundation before the group was outlawed. He also was a fundraiser for the Illinois-based KindHearts Foundation, which the government shut down last year for alleged support of Hamas.

According to tax records, Shahin was a paid employee of a third charity, the Michigan-based Life and Relief Development Inc. In September 2006, FBI counter-terrorism agents seized $134,000 in cash from the home of the charity's founder as part of a fraud case related to the Iraqi oil-for-food scandal. The charity remains open.

Shahin has served as a Muslim community liaison with the FBI and the Phoenix police. A book released by Shahin last year advocated that Muslims living in Western society follow a strict version of conservative Sharia law.

"A Muslim must try his best to abide by the rulings of Sharia whenever possible as much as he can. He should not allow himself to be liable to those western laws that contradict the clear-cut Islamic rulings," Shahin wrote.

Throughout the book, Shahin quotes an extremist Islamic scholar who studied under the man widely credited with inspiring al-Qaida. The scholar was a speaker at Holy Land Foundation events, prosecutors in the Dallas case said in court this year. They showed jurors photos of the man with Hamas and Hezbollah leaders and in videos preaching to kill Jews.

Shahin declined to comment in detail on his writings, the jetliner incident or the fundraising case. He is the father of one of the young men arrested in the Phoenix target shooting, Oday Shahin, 20. Another imam stopped in Minneapolis, Mahmoud Sulaiman, 51, a Syrian native, also has a son who was at the scene of the target shooting but was not arrested, a Phoenix police report stated.

Shahin and his son share other connections with people involved in events that drew the FBI's interest. Omar and Oday Shahin work with a third imam from the plane, Didmar Faja, a 28-year-old Albanian, at a conservative Islamic school in south Phoenix. Saiaf Abdallah, son of Akram Abdallah, accused of lying to the FBI, also works there, and his mother is a board member.

Shahin declined to comment except to say that his son's target-shooting arrest is "no big deal" and to caution against drawing unfair conclusions. "All I want to say is there is no connection between these things."...

Of course not. Read it all.

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". . . Firing hundreds of rounds from AK47s . . ."--wait a minute, what is this, West Beirut? All in Arizonistan.

Deport the Ikhwanist bastards.

It seems to me that we conservatives ought to join forces with our ikhwanist brethren. We have the same goal generally speaking in regard to morality and values. Yes, there are a few nuts among them, just as there are a few nuts among us who like to take out abortion clinics, so we need to seperate from the crazies and join forces with the bulk of the Muslim brethren...

This is not said in jest. Somebody recently wrote that it is the Muslims in Europe who most capture the traditional European values: of religion, family etc. Whereas it is the modern Europeans, the secularists who love free love, support homosexuality, don't have kids and don't go to church who have really disinherited their great culture.

What do ya'll think?

We infidels are immoral because we are infidels, not because we might be secularists, abort our young, or practice free love. Islam's morality is ultimately relativistic, jasonfruit. No can join up--thanks for asking.

We infidels are immoral because we are infidels, not because we might be secularists, abort our young, or practice free love. Islam's morality is ultimately relativistic, jasonfruit. No can join up--thanks for asking.

Dinesh, is that you?

Jason,
Europe's "traditional values" of religion had the rulers as religious leaders and led to many wars over the centuries.
So maybe Muslims really ARE traditional. They would fit in perfectly in Europe of the 1600s. Coincidentally, the 1600s were the occasion of the first British settlements in North America. We can thank Europe's "religious values" for our nation - in more ways than one.
I don't think Europeans' family values led them to push their children into committing murder. When it came to family and religion one of the highest values, once a source of great pride to many Europeans, was a son entering the priesthood. That's a far cry from a son blowing himself up.

Kings were not religious leaders.
Temporal power (king) and spiritual power (Pope) was seperated; This seperation was even legitimized by theologians like St Thomas Aquina, Marcilius of Padoua or william ockham

He should not allow himself to be liable to those western laws that contradict the clear-cut Islamic rulings," Shahin wrote.
SINCE HE DOES NOT want to follow our laws what in the hell is is he doing as a naturalized citizen
since he would have taken a oath to uphold and support the Constitution and obey our laws
since it looks like he gave a false oath strip him of his naturalized usa citizenship and send him home to Jordan
since byhis own word he apparently does not want to follow our laws

Whereas it is the modern Europeans, the secularists who love free love, support homosexuality, don't have kids and don't go to church who have really disinherited their great culture.

What do ya'll think?

jasonrfruit

If you would enjoy the life of a Dhimmi, paying your Jiza to the Muslims, maybe that is for you but not for me.

Secularists, hedonists, communists, and all the utopian cults are decendents of Epicurius who lived 341 - 240 B.C. For now they have the wind at their backs due to science but that could change. These people never amounted to much in history.

How many more innocent men, women and children have to die in the most horrific and retrograde fashion for people like JasonFruit to comprehend what we are up against??????????

The cult of the pedophile, rapist does not accept any non-believers, you either submit, pay jizya or die!!!

spot on

by the time I'd encountered 'jasonrfruit' here in the jihadwatch comments floor for perhaps the second time, I'd pegged him as a Muslim trying a little taqiyya.

He's pretending to be a nice American 'conservative' who's fallen in love with the superior morality of Islam after a stay in wonderful, wonderful Yemen where everybody was so nice to him (see the comments thread to the recent article about Al Qaeda making threats in Yemen), but it's transparently clear that that is a lot of taradiddles.

You know, out of all the jihadists of pen and tongue who've been busy derailing conversations here on the comments floor for the past few weeks (it's been very, very bad for the past week, worse I think than just about any time previously, and I know, I've been going through the archives), I think Abdullah Mikail is the most honest. He declares himself a Muslim upfront; he defends Islam; we know that he's doing what he's doing and saying what he's saying because he's a Muslim. I can deal with that.

It's creatures like 'jason' and 'gorgi' and 'dave742', all sly and slippery, slithering in here in masks, pretending to be what they're not, in order to try to mess with people's heads, that really give me the creeps.

Hello fruit. I, nabi ZK (pbum), am your nabi and the true nabi of all mohametan and pseudo mohametan trolls. The nabific one, that's me, classifies you as a pseudo. You are apparently yet another mohametan appologist troll with another phoney narative. Your key words and phrases betray you my son. Let it be known now and henceforth in perpetuity that the nabific one misses very little and I, (pbum), did not miss that your little narative is phoney as $2 bill. You are like Naseem who in one incarnation had a husband burried in the recent Pak earthquake and in another incarnation has a fiance kidnapped by Talibunnies along with that strange Bev Geisbrecht woman. Scurry away now little phoney pseudo mohametan mohametan appologist troll. Or, if you think you have the b&%$s to keep posting here....then DO IT. DO IT.

nabi ZK (pbum)

...Oh yeah....And these phx mohametan trators should be fried....

O Nabific One,

Surely by now, the Divinely Revealed expression, "is phoney as $2 bill" has been abrogated (naskh), is favor of operative expression "is phoney as $3 bill." Is partly due to inflation, partly due to translation error of immutatable, unchanging Nabifically-revealed texts. Some say is because Feds actually issued deuce notes back in late '70s, whereas three buck denomination characterizes issues by fly-by-night-banks of earlier era.

Indeed.

nabi ZK (pbum)

Oh yeah, like naskhified for sure then.

nabifically yours

nabi ZK (pbum)

Dumbledoesarmy

Thanks for the tip regarding Jasonfruit. My suspicion antennae were up but the first time I encounter one of these undercover trolls I usually try to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Nabific One

Only a Mohametan could come up with a name like "jasonfruit". Your Nabific powers have clearly sniffed out this Mohametan troll. Your divinely revealed abbreviation of his or her name was right on the mark.

You the NABI! (pbum)

Secularists, hedonists, communists, and all the utopian cults are decendents of Epicurius who lived 341 - 240 B.C. For now they have the wind at their backs due to science but that could change. These people never amounted to much in history.
Posted by: Spot on

The founding fathers of this country were secularists, so I have a hard time with the statement above. Me, I'm a hedonist, but not in a cultish way. ...Wind at their backs due to science? Well yeah, that science stuff pretty much puts the kabosh on The Flat Earth Society, doesn't it?

Beer
Richard

Richard,

No offense intended. All of us have some "Epicurius" in us. Epicurius developed a cult of materialists.

"Utopianism" is the ultimate goal of all true secularists or materialists and our founding fathers made ample room for religionists to have their part in the operation of our country. That part is a crucial one, though it is not readily visible to some individuals.

Richard,

Re: The flat earth society.

These people were the "scientists" of their day. They were ridiculed by other "scientists" of the day. In those days, you were a scientist if that is what you called yourself. There was one little thing that restricted the proliferation of scientists...the loss of their heads if they were wrong. Only a very few ever traveled to legitimate sources of scientific knowledge to become educated.

But in the same way as scientists do it today, one man's scientific theory stands until some one elses theory gains acceptance by other scientists. There is always (and sometimes bitter) fights between scientists over which theory suits everyone best. This is no different than 500 or 2000 years ago. Except that 500 or 2000 years ago, countries were organized around some master fighter who got his job by killing all his enemies. Scientists had to really keep their heads down to avoid losing their heads during those pesky arguments between scientific theories.

The Christians who have been ridiculed by scientists for the last 500 years were largely scapegoated for holding back scientific achievement even though they were the ones largely responsible for encouraging this achievement by moderating influences. Bottom line...it is easy to pick on dead people because they cannot talk back. Secularists and scientists have become artists at picking on 500 year old Christian dead people who cannot defend themselves.

All in all, it takes a lot of different kinds of people to make this country (or Europe) work. The secularists tend to want everything their way because they claim to be smarter than those who hold religious values. This problem afflicts many religious people too. In Europe, the secularists have almost purged all people with any religious values from society much in the same way as Muslims make Dhimmis out of Christians under Sharia.

Our founding fathers created a secular government so as to serve all religious entities equally and not impose one church on everyone like the European Master Fighter Kings had done. Our Founding Fathers' concept has been grossly distorted by many over only 200 years. No telling how much farther this distortion will go but I believe that we are headed back to the same thing that Europe has today if BHO has anything to say about it. What that means is that we are moving toward the same defunct model of society that is now quite evident to any observer of Europe.

Many believe that we are at the end of a golden era. In my opinion, this golden era existed because of a good mix of religious and secular people who were all tolerant of one another and gave each their proper due. They all wanted a good life for themselves and their family. That is what our Founding Fathers wanted us to be.

Happy Thanksgiving.

A literal flat earth might have been the view of ancient Hebrews or Babylonians (and of the uneducated and ignorant of later days, like Mohammed), but educated people from the days of the Greeks and Romans (like Claudius Ptolemy) forward knew that the Earth was a sphere.

Any travelled, competent astronomer living in a cosmopolitan civilization from ancient times to today, equipped with the sum of available data, could deduce that the Earth is spherical.

Any travelled, competent astronomer living in a cosmopolitan civilization from ancient times to today, equipped with the sum of available data, could deduce that the Earth is spherical

John C.

John, You are absolutely right. The only thing in the way of scientific advancement in those days was the awful political climate perpetrated by blood thirsty rulers. A perfect example of this was Mohammad.

Our founding fathers created a secular government so as to serve all religious entities equally and not impose one church on everyone like the European Master Fighter Kings had done. Our Founding Fathers' concept has been grossly distorted by many over only 200 years.
In my opinion, this golden era existed because of a good mix of religious and secular people who were all tolerant of one another and gave each their proper due. They all wanted a good life for themselves and their family. That is what our Founding Fathers wanted us to be.
Posted by: Spot on

Yep, I couldn't agree more. They weren't trying to abolish religion, these were some deeply religious Christian men. I don't think that the simple separation of church and state is a gross distortion of the concept of secular government. Using the constitution as a stick to beat on the very existence of religion certainly is. My point here was that Jefferson, Adams, these men were secularists and matter hugely to history.

Flat earth may have been a poor example. I understand that the earth as a sphere has been understood far longer than many realize.

It's just me I guess. I'm an engineer. I think like an engineer. I'm also not a religious person. Athiest/agnostic - as soon as you care what label people place on you they've got you playing their game. I have total faith in that which can be proven.

Islamic hostility to, and intolerance of, scientific inquiry and the free and open pursuit of knowledge rivaled or surpassed anything like it in Christendom.

Using the constitution as a stick to beat on the very existence of religion certainly is. My point here was that Jefferson, Adams, these men were secularists and matter hugely to history.

Richard

The definition and the sense of the word "secular" is where the distortion comes in. It also may be the very definition of government that is the problem.

The Founding Fathers clearly determined that the government should not get involved with laws to govern every little part of life and that people had inalienable rights given to them directly from God. They determined that religion would play that part in keeping people civil and the only things federal government would be involved with were crimes which were derived directly from the constitution. Over the years, through legal slight of hand, the federal government has taken over almost everthing. Today, governmental secularists want to directly change society to fit their own template of what they think the people's belief system should be and basically take over all those things the Founders left to religions and charities.

Europe has a "do all", "cradle to the grave" secular government and that looks like where we are headed. They have rendered churches and religion to artifacts of historic interest. They have accomplished this by getting into every aspect of everyones life and indoctrination of the young in government schools. What have they gained by this? Well, one can look at the demographics and see that the birth rate of secularists is well below the break even point for human survival. Europe has brought in Islamic people to cure this fault and this will lead to their certain demise. Islamic people for 1400 years have been crosswise with Christians and will not change. The secularists in Europe don't realize it but they are living their lives in a Christian tradition and this is also crosswise with the Islamic people. Since the secularists in Europe don't have what it takes to have enough children to continue on, I seriously doubt that they will put up much of a fuss when the Islamic people take them over. Given enough time, I'm afraid, we will be in the same boat unless something changes.

The Islamic people have Europe and us in their crosshairs. They smell success due to secular weakness. One great example of our secular governmental weakness is the fact that they cannot see what is really on the minds of the Islamic people. They (Iran) are working to develope advanced weapons and when they get them, we may be history. We have no defense for certain weapons that they are working to develop. Our government officials have made no mention of the danger from these weapons. Only in the last month or so has the Pentagon admitted that the most severe threat that we face from anyone is with
a high altitude nuke explosion, and we have no defense for this threat. I too have an engineering background and as an Engineer you may be able to appreciate the information below.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/02/invisible-nuclear-threat/

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