"If Israel's next prime minister intends to prevent Teheran from acquiring the means to implement its stated aim of destroying Israel, he or she must be prepared to stand up to America"

"If Israel's next prime minister intends to prevent Teheran from acquiring the means to implement its stated aim of destroying Israel, he or she must be prepared to stand up to America"

Obviously and the sooner the better,they should just use the Iranian cargo ship that killed the Somali pirates as Casus belli.

The longer Hussein (pbuh) is in power the higher the casualties will be.

Red is the threat level for Israel during the transition from Bush to BHO. BHO will dither as Iran tests the waters or Russia sends armaments to South America. When power is changing hands and leadership is lacking what better time for international mischief?

In a just and sane world, Bolton would be US President and Netanyahu, the Israeli leader. Dream on!

Haven't we all been hearing the best time for Israel to attack is 'after' the election but 'before' the swearing in.

Between November 4th, and January 20th.

It's a sad day and the sum of my fears that Obama's America should be numbered among the enemies of the Jewish State.

Act! Entebbe and Osirak didn't require a green light from a World already aquiescent to Evil. Obama be bummed.

Oh, yeah--I forgot to mention Eichmann's encounter with Justice.

I don't know if I would go as far as saying that Obama's America should be considered an enemy to the state of Israel, but definitely his administration. If the next Israeli PM takes that tact when dealing with the Obama admin. then I believe the Israeli's will stand a much better chance of surviving this atrocious election.

20 years ago I would have said Israel had nothing to fear. But in that time at least two successive admins have pushed the two state policy and there is no indication that it will stop now. I hope that Ben's party gets enough of a majority to take over as PM, they will need a strong leader who will be willing to stand up to Obama.

Off topic, but I am concerned with the "rift" between JW and LJF's.

Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here.

Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?

Walter L. Newton, Golden, Co.

In regards to my last post. It should be evident that I meant LGF (Little Green Footballs) not LJF.

...for Livni to win, she must persuade the public that she is not the hard-core leftist she has governed as for the past five years, but a centrist.

obama did that flawlessly...

Distinguishing herself from Labor and Meretz while keeping faith with the Left has been tricky for Livni, because it requires her to constantly contradict herself.

again obama had an uncanny nack for this, didn't hurt him in the least....

Unable to renounce policies she herself has advanced and indeed invented, Livni has opted simply to refuse to disclose her positions to the public.

deja vu, I feel like I have been here before....

First and most importantly, they have instigated violent confrontations with the hardcore fringe of the ideological Right.

On October 25 the government ordered the police and the IDF to carry out a surprise, middle-of-the-night expulsion of well-known right-wing hard-liner Noam Federman and his family from their home in Kiryat Arba, and to demolish their home. According to eyewitness accounts, the police used excessive violence against the surprised couple and their nine children.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak announced he will enact draconian measures against the far right in a bid to strip its activists of their civil rights and demoralize their followers. (In the meantime, the torching of a yeshiva in Acre and a synagogue in Ramle by Israeli Arabs went unnoted by the cabinet.)

folks, this is scary stuff, and I thought our election was important.

Today, with banner headlines decrying the right-wing menace filling the front pages of the papers, news of Hamas's transformation of Gaza into a new Hizbullah-stan, replete with bunkers built with concrete supplied by Israel, is relegated to the back pages.

A corrupt press, just like us, but here the stakes are much higher.

her attempt to hide her far-left policies while presenting herself as a new sort of clean politician and engine of political renewal, echoes the strategy that Obama employed with such success in his bid for the White House. Like Obama, Livni wishes to convince the public to support her by not telling us who she is and what she intends to do, sufficing instead with her claim to be different from the other guys.

Please Israel don't fall for this!

Glick's article strikes a familiar chord. At least it should to anyone who has been an "Islamophobe".

Bibi's going to win, guys. That seems to be the word out of Israel, at least according to Sammy from Yid With Lid and his sources. He won't take nothing from Iran. He'll be elected on his Iran-halting platform.

Slightly off-topic: You gotta be at least a little heartened by Obama's appointment of Rahm Emanuel to Chief of Staff. To hire a Jew into such a key position has to be a real kick in the balls to our tea sipping Saudi allies, the Persians, and Moslems everywhere with high hopes for Obama. Even Minnesota's recently re-elected Keith Ellison had to scowl at Obama's Emanuel move.

PS, Did you know that Rahm's brother is an agent in Hollywood, and was the inspiration for Jeremy Pivin's character Ari Gold in the HBO hit series Entourage? He's my fave character on that show.

If I may, if by chance Iran is developing as suspected there is still one issue they cannot overcome that is the method of transport. Already under scrutiny this will not go un-noticed if attempted to acquire. It will be to both US & Isreali benefit to share inteligence. It is my concern that provided the infromation Obama will insist on diplomatic solutions & sanctions, after that, I don't believe Isreal will have a choice other than military solutions, it's about survival nothing else. I agree that twenty years ago, no way a US president would've not first considered Isreal's sovernty over global opinion or instability of the region. Ultimately, Bush would've, Obama it's anyones guess. Hopefully it doesn't come to confrontation between Obama and the PM.

33:21: You might be interested in this.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/rahm_and_ari_mo.html#comments

Is this the Game Plan?: Use appeasers like Rahm to reassure the American people that appeasement is safe, while moving forward to entrench power. When the power is sufficiently entrenced, the salami sufficiently sliced, and the frog sufficiently disabled by the slowly heating water, throw the people Rahm has been reassuring (i.e. the Jews and infidels and non-socialists) under the bus, and perhaps Rahm with him.
Face it, as of 1-20-2009, Israel may be the only free country left in the world with the will and ability to defend itself if it wants to.

All I can say to the American people disheartened by this election result then don't worry, as you are not alone in your grief. In the UK, it's been Omaba this and Obama that, I haven't turned on the TV since Nov 4th as I'm sick of it all. I haven't really read any papers either.
Many of you who read JW may very well realise that the election of Obama has serious implication here in the UK. As with the original posting regarding Israel, should it decide to launch an attack on Iran(in order to save itself from Nuclear Threat) we in the UK now feel, that any attempts to combat islamisation will now be watched by America who may intervene if they believe that the UK is taking too strong a stance on Islam, should we eventually start doing something to combat this threat.
I'm amazed quite frankly that people could vote Obama, when seeing as 90%+ of Blacks voted for him, would state that America is still an exceptionally racist place. What on earth possessed a large majority of white voters to vote for him? I don't want to make this a Black and White issue but when you think about it, it very much is, well according to the Blacks that is. How could people vote for a man whose ally is Minister Louis Farrakhan of the NOI, who believes that the whites are the "blue eyed devils created in the laboratories of Yacub"? How could they vote for him when his Reverend Jeremiah Wright is nothing more that an America hating black racist? What is wrong with these people?
It seems that many people in America forget that Blacks will never, ever forget about the slave trade and many are vowing for revenge, to get their own on the whites. This I can't understand as no slave is alive today and the slave trade ended a long time ago in the USA and the West.

It seems also that the election of Rahm Emanuel almost reminds me of the Vichy traitors in WW2 France. America should always stand behind Israel regardless as they are on the front line, fighting for survival from millions of Muslims who want to see them wiped off the face off this earth. What is wrong with the American people? Well, I know what's wrong. It's the same wrong that's happening to the British. It's called liberal socialism with a Marxist twist. It's been infiltrating our society since the 60's and has drilled straight into the heart of our society.
I fear that the USA will go the same way as the UK is going and that would be sad indeed. Sad for the fact that the world's strongest power, is now in the hands of Islamic sympathisers who are about to launch themselves into talks with the very people who hate them, for who they are and what they believe in - freedom.

I don't know if I would go as far as saying that Obama's America should be considered an enemy to the state of Israel...

Posted by: Kevin

It's historically the case, nations are responsible for the actions of their leaders. It was the case during the Third Reich. It is the case today.

It seems also that the election of Rahm Emanuel almost reminds me of the Vichy traitors in WW2 France. America should always stand behind Israel regardless as they are on the front line, fighting for survival from millions of Muslims who want to see them wiped off the face off this earth. What is wrong with the American people?

.....Sad for the fact that the world's strongest power, is now in the hands of Islamic sympathisers who are about to launch themselves into talks with the very people who hate them, for who they are and what they believe in - freedom.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart

Rahm Emanuel is a traitor to his own people.

What is wrong with the American people? The American people and the conservative movement stood by George W. Bush as he sold out our only ally in the Middle East.

Americans stood by FDR. FDR did not lift a finger to help the Jews in Nazi occupied Europe.

What has changed Richard?

You gotta be at least a little heartened by Obama's appointment of Rahm Emanuel to Chief of Staff.

Posted by: 33:21

Emanuel is a Jewish traitor like the rest of these Jewish traitors who worked in the Clinton and the Bush White Houses. These are real low life Jewish traitors. Remember Ari Fleischer, Bush White House Press spokesman and court Jew? Remember Fleischer scolding and condemning Israel for defending herself after each and every Muslim suicide / homocide bombing? Such a traitor!

Feh!

Richard the Lionheart, I agree with you wholeheartedly~~I myself am VERY disappointed in our election results.

Wild Jew~~~~you are correct~~however it seems that there are a lot of disallusioned Americans who voted for obama . I want to say that regardless of the outcome of this election, there are still many, many Americans who DID NOT vote for him, who still love America, Israel, morality ,justice and freedom. I'm sure there were German people who did not agree with the Nazi's but could do nothing about it~~~even as many Americans cannot help the outcome of this election.

Thank you both for your input .

RobertofAlaska, there were Germans who defied Hitler often at the risk of their lives. Thankfully such is not the case "yet" here in the U.S. At present we still have a modicum of free speech. This may change

Only those Germans who in some way defied Hitler were not responsible for Hitler's criminal acts.

I still maintain, the bulk of conservatives, conservative activists and Republican party leaders stood shoulder to shoulder with George W. Bush as he sold out Israel after the 9/11 Muslim terror atrocities.

Effectively, after 9/11 Bush declared the Jewish state and her occupation of Muslim land the enemy. Bush defined Israel as our enemy, not Muslim jihadists. Bush has invested significant political capital dismembering Israel, weakening Israel, all the while strengthening Israel's enemies.

In this, Bush is a traitor. He has provided aid and comfort to our enemies as Americans looked on approvingly; as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc., looked on approvingly.

Thus we now have Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. The American people are not innocent. This nation stands guilty with very few exceptions. Americans are culpable.

This is God's judgment. If there is a God in heaven, this is His judgment.

richard lionheart, you should call yourself richard the "lying heart". As a jew who participated in the civil rights movement and worked for the federal government. I know for a fact your infomation is nothing more than sound bites from thieving, lying and murdering cowards suchas yourself.

For one, I wonder what did you and your foolish ilk have to say when blacks voted 96% for clinton, 93% for gore and 91% for kerry. Was that a racist agenda on their part or them voting for a democrat, which President elect Obama happens to be. Same old lies from the ignorant and incompetent crowd.

Secondly, after the civil war was over, endured another 100 years of segregation, discrimination and total jim crowism. For confused people, that meant no voting rights until 1965. So, they are only forty-three years free from slave like conditions and restrictions. Therefore, there's a whole lot of black people still alive that can remember those atrocities and crimes commited on them.

Lastly, I truly believe that President Obama will be the central figure in finally bringing peace to the middle east. Because the past occupants in the white house didn't have the moral right to be arbiters in or for a peaceful agreement. They are like you a bunch of racist, power hungry and murdering crooks.

Wow! It's quite interesting to see how people waste their time attempting to say something; when in fact, they don't say anything at all.

Richard the lionheart, what about that hatred in your heart? One thing you fail to realize is that the average American is a lot smarter than you are. Therefore, you should not question their judgment as to who they think the best of the two candidates was! And, How dare you question President-Elect Obama's commitment to Israel's security? Would you rather have two neighbors that live side by side fighting with each other? Or, would you rather have two neighbors that live in peace? I think the answer is a no brainer.

Just like the fools, if you think Israel can take Iran without our help; do your research. You can say all you want, at the end of the day, Barack Obama is the President-Elect and will soon be in the White House. In his capacity as a strong Leader and Brilliant one, I might add, he will move to Secure peace Among Israel and her neighbors. And, he will not fail in such endeavour. With the majority of the American on board, he will be more than capable to move mountains.

RobertofAlaska, first of all, you need to learn how to spell; the word you were trying write is: "DISILLUSIONED; not "disallusioned." Unlike you, Barack Obama is a Havard graduate. DO NOT think for a minute, that we should have elected you governor over him just because he's black, or because of his past association. By the way, nothing personal.

richard lionheart, you should call yourself richard the "lying heart". As a jew who participated in the civil rights movement and worked for the federal government. I know for a fact your infomation is nothing more than sound bites from thieving, lying and murdering cowards suchas yourself.

For one, I wonder what did you and your foolish ilk have to say when blacks voted 96% for clinton, 93% for gore and 91% for kerry. Was that a racist agenda on their part or them voting for a democrat, which President elect Obama happens to be. Same old lies from the ignorant and incompetent crowd.

Secondly, after the civil war was over, endured another 100 years of segregation, discrimination and total jim crowism. For confused people, that meant no voting rights until 1965. So, they are only forty-three years free from slave like conditions and restrictions. Therefore, there's a whole lot of black people still alive that can remember those atrocities and crimes commited on them.

Lastly, I truly believe that President Obama will be the central figure in finally bringing peace to the middle east. Because the past occupants in the white house didn't have the moral right to be arbiters in or for a peaceful agreement. They are like you a bunch of racist, power hungry and murdering crooks.

Lastly, I truly believe that President Obama will be the central figure in finally bringing peace to the middle east.

Hold it right there. It's beyond me how a Marxist can bring peace to any region. Hasn't been done.

Also beyond me is how millions of Mohammedans can be brought to renounce the central tenets of Islam, not the least of which is the need to destroy Judaism. And without such an en masse renunciation, peace just ain't gonna happen in the Holy Land.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

Instead of being the latest in a long string of Presidents to get sucked into the peace-in-the-Middle East delusion, the only thing the President-elect should do in this area is pump three things into Israel: money, arms, and intelligence support.

And make crazy mixed-up Rahm carry the bags on this noble task. Doing that would sicken him as much as his recent appointment to Chief of Staff must sicken our Moslem "allies."

There's no question at least, that America is at a crossroads. I agree with you, Wild Jew, America has or will increasingly receive her judgement for betraying Israel. However, for my part and many Americans that understand Israel's importance in the world and fought against Obama's campaign, we are grieved and deeply concerned for our president-elect's future attitude toward Israel. We know, at least, that if America turns her back on Israel or favors her enemies, we will pay for it dearly.

And thank you 33:21. I am so entirely sick of people toting, "peace in the Middle East"; it will never happen. Iran is declaring, "Death to America!" and promising the annihilation of Israel. That is not the promise of peace. And sorry, RealSoldier, most Americans were not intelligent enough to look past Obama's "good looks", "inspirational speeches", or seductive promises like "hope for change". They barely looked at his policies, history or intentions, let alone studied them. People voted for Clinton because he "played the saxophone,"--Obama, great as he is at speeches, is the wrong man at the wrong time.

Lastly, I truly believe that President Obama will be the central figure in finally bringing peace to the middle east. Because the past occupants in the white house didn't have the moral right to be arbiters in or for a peaceful agreement. They are like you a bunch of racist, power hungry and murdering crooks.
Posted by: da truth

Yes, yes, the magnificent presence of the glowing Obamessiah. Will overcome 1400 years of strict adherence to the Quran, Mohammad and Shariah.

The war mongers of the middle East will melt before him...milk and honey will once again flow, and all will be well...Only Mahdi could do better...

Sounds like a plan...How soon do think he will implement it...Warlike Islam in the MI needs a savior now...

I just love those credulous kool-aid drinking goosestepper who think the blessed Obama will bring peace to a region of earth where the word of God there dictates death to unbelievers and eternal war against unbelievers.

But its so typical of the zero-information followers like RealSoldier and da truth.

They'd be right at home as a Hitler brownshirt given their putting ideology over truth.

Nothing like a new President to bring out all the crazies!

Uh huh...Obama's freak agents show up, drop a bomb or two and then run...Cowards...Notice that most Mohammadans do the same thing...Abdulla M is an exception, but then he is a quasi apostate...

"Nothing like a new President to bring out all the crazies!"
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi

Yes, projections all the way around. Not that any of us have any choice in the matter any more, but the election is over now and the matter of who the new president will be has been decided. Obama is a very smart man, some would say too clever by half, perhaps. But although it is unfortunate that he was a cipher to many Americans, perhaps it is fortunate that he was even more of a cipher to the rest of the world. Everyone has been trying to claim his attention. Eventually he will be forced to reveal himself, and as events unfold most of the illusions many groups around the world have developed about him will be smashed. In the U.S., we'll have to fashion new forms of opposition according to how events unfold. Remember, 48% of the voters DID NOT vote for this guy. And although Nancy Pelosi may think she has a completely free hand in the House in pushing a socialist agenda, my guess is that she won't be as successful as she would like. What we need to watch is how Obama handles her and Reid.

Obama gave his first press conference today. Did anyone else notice how tired he looked, only three days after the election? Some of this was undoubtedly due to fatigue after a grueling campaign, but I wonder if part of it might also have been due to a dawning realization of the enormity of the job he has signed up for.

From post above: Some of this was undoubtedly due to fatigue after a grueling campaign, but I wonder if part of it might also have been due to a dawning realization of the enormity of the job he has signed up for...

Especially after he had the Presidential briefing the other day, where he was told everything Bush knows...Things he previously had no knowledge.
Sobering things...He probably is realizing that there is no way he can implement most of his promises, and some of his ideologies. This will cause many of his supporters to sour. He won't be so popular in the coming months unless Allah hands him a miracle...I think there will be serious talk of impeachment in about one year...

To say that the black vote going almost exclusively to Obama wasn't racially motivated is complete ignorance. Explain why there was a record turnout of new black voters who hadn't bothered or cared to vote the previous 20 or 30 years they were eligible. All of a sudden they care enough to go and stand in line for 4 hours to vote out of any reason but wanting him because he's black? PLEASE!!! Even my black friends said they were racially motivated to vote for Obama. It's the same thing that happened during the O.J. Simpson trial, two guys in the same room, the black guy cheers and the white guy looks at him like wtf... it seems the real rascism in this country is being exercised on the part of blacks against whites. The precedent this election has set will blow up eventually, everyone took note of what happened. Racial favoritism is by definition racism. And whomever partook in it should be ashamed of themselves, they might as well of spit in the face of anyone who's sacrificed to end hate and oppression.
On the part of Obama supporting Israel in the act of Iranian aggression, anyone who's been paying attention knows Obama is to weak to stand against men like Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong Ill or even Vladimir Putin. Anyone notice that Russia announced it would deploy missles on the border of Poland the day after the election? Hardly a promising sign of better relations, even if the Russians really had any interest in them. How about Putin's puppet Medvedev proposing a 6 year term limit the same day? Who do you think will run again? They waited for the moment Obama was elected to present their new ideas. Given Obama's slow reaction to the Georgian conflict who thought they wouldn't push for more power when noone is willing to keep them in check anymore? The Europeans can't because Russia has already shown they're willingness to use their oil and gas as a "punishment" for any redicule of Russian policies. Anyway the whole world should be concerned with the election of Obama and the notoriously weak dems. So if Israel does make a preemptive strike the American government wont stand with them, and it will be up to those who wish to see the only symbol of freedom and prosperity in the middle east survive and will have to step up and sacrifice without their government's support. There's plenty of us here so do what you must. The American people will find a way to stand beside you whatever that may entail.

mcal - excellent post! I agree word for word with what you stated!

I would also like to add, that on election night, several reporters commented on what an historic event this was, an event that would mark the first African/American President; which is true, yes, but one could certainly surmise what the goal was, and that was to elect the first Black President as Commander in Chief.

Nothing wrong with having a Black President, not at all, so I don't want to be misunderstood on that issue; but what I do want to make clear is this, that voting for someone just BECAUSE they are Black is NO reason to vote for any President. Period. And just like mcal pointed out, those who did, should be ashamed of themselves. Sorry for the redundancy.

Just Bibi's luck - he only gets close to realizing power when there is a less supportive leader in the White House.

Although my instincts tell me that Obama will be less anti-Israel than Clinton ever was.

da truth,

You wouldn't happen to be black by any chance would you? It's just that the only people I know who would say 'da' as in 'the' are black or else what we call in the UK - 'wiggers' that is white people who want to be black that happen to follow gangsta rap and hiphop and of course the crime element associated with it.
Why should I call myself "lying heart"? Are you saying to me that my statement of 90%+ was wrong? Correct me if I'm wrong but did we not just see 97% of the Blacks in the USA vote for a Black man? Did we not see people walk about with T-shirts saying "It's our turn now"? Did we not see "Black Panthers" blocking the doorway in voting stations to whites, using intimidation in Philadelphia? And you have the audacity to think that this election was NOT racially motivated whatsoever?

As someone from the UK, I'm appalled at Black America. You are racist, exceptionally racist and it shows from your behaviour in the Media. The problem is that it's so ingrained within your society that you are completely oblivious to the fact that you are. The behaviour of Blacks in America, is synonymous with Islam, in that they don't know they've been brainwashed and indoctrinated. Oddly enough, it's the Blacks that tend to drift to Islam instead of the Whites. It is in the UK and I would also assume it is the same in the USA. The problem is that American Black Racist Vulgar Culture is ripping through the UK like a hot knife through butter. Incompetent, ignorant, arrogant, racist, Rappers and Hip Hop artists are affecting the youth here terribly and worse still, they are bringing their racism with them too and of course their complete lack of respect for anyone other than themselves.

If you truly believe that Obama will bring peace to the middle east then I probably would agree with you. He'll sell out Israel to the Palestinians, end American finance to the protection of Israel, sit down with Terrorist Groups, who want nothing more than the destruction of anything Not MUSLIM. And you have the audacity to say to me that the "White House didn't have the moral right to be the arbiters in on for a peaceful agreement?" when the 2000 Camp David Peace Talks showed that the PLO never wanted peace, but the land that IS Israel for themselves?
Are you really completely 100% this ignorant? Have you any idea what's going on there? Have you not one understanding that they are fighting for their survival against an ideology that wants to destroy them? Are you really so stupid to write what you have when the man many people hailed as a peaceful man (Arafat) was nothing more than a terrorist? Are you so blind as to see that the reason there is trouble in Gaza and Israel is because PALESTINIANS CONTINUE TO STRAP BOMBS TO THEMSELVES AND DETONATE IN CITY CENTRES? Are you so nonchalant to overlook that the Palestinians are the ones who are keeping this war going for continuing to fire rockets at Israel?

This is what happens in the USA and the UK in student campuses and schools. The left wing manage to filter their Palestine propaganda and the "we're a victim" situation to the youth who them ofcourse believe them. They do not bother reading history but stick to the report that Palestinians are being victimised and oppressed by the Israelis. I'm not Jewish but I find the persecution of Israeli Jews, just because they're trying to defend themselves totally and utterly despicable. The best thing that could happen in Gaza would be to take every single Palestinian and move them out and give all that land to the Israelis. They have showed that they can live in a peaceful democratic multicultural society. The Palestinians haven't and I wonder why? Anything to do with Islam?

I am no racist da truth, I merely pointed out facts presented to me and have not lied in anything I said, even though you believe I have. You're problem is that your head is filled with left wing propaganda and is really no use to anyone whatsoever. In fact, if I were you, I'd go to the hospital, ask them to remove your brain and fill it with jello. That way you won't be a danger to yourself or anyone else. It seems that your brain really shouldn't be anywhere near your body as it's about as useful as condom with holes in it.

Richard states: "As someone from the UK, I'm appalled at Black America. You are racist, exceptionally racist and it shows from your behaviour in the Media. The problem is that it's so ingrained within your society that you are completely oblivious to the fact that you are."

As an American, I can say that your observation is true, but no one here talks about it. No, no, no! No one talks about it, but they sure do talk a lot about racism towards Blacks! Now that is talked about ALL the freakin' time!! And I for one am tired of paying for the sins of my -- what -- of my Forefathers or Grandfathers, or whoever the hell they were. It's time the media expose this truth, because it's gotten out of hand. I mean, I cannot tell you how people I've spoken to who were afraid that RIOTS would break out in the streets if Obama did not win. Riots! How insane is that? Well, very insane. And the only reason people talked about it, is because it very well could have happened. Anyway, Richard, you are right-on about what you're observing in the UK, because we see it here, too. Take care.

da truth -

Like Richard said, he is not a racist, he's an observer. I read his comments, and they were not even CLOSE to being racist comments. IMO, you owe the man an apology.

Real Soldier,

Ever thought of changing your name to really stupid? If you are comparing yourself to me as the "average American" being a lot smarter, then I really have no need to even contemplate your thought.
Hatred in my heart? Where? Because (as in my above post to da truth) I happen to state the truth that America is exceptionally racist and that racism has filtered over into the UK into Black Britain too?

Therefore, you should not question their judegment as to who they think the best of the two candidates was! And, How dare you question President-Elect Obama's commitment to Israel's security?

What do you mean I should not question their judgement? Who do you think you are to tell me what I can or can't do in my life? Are you a Muslim? Do you make a habit of oppressing people's right to free speech and thought you buffoon? And again How dare you question....., who do you think you are? Are you so stupid to not realise that were we not to question life then we would not have moved on you twit? You have the ignorance to write of Obama's commitment to Israel, when it seems you have not even read the OP which states that if Israel does decide to attack Iran, in order to stop it's Nuclear programme, being designed to wipe it out, Obama will defend Iran, even though Iran has been responsible for worldwide terrorism since the overthrow of the Shah? You still are so ignorant as to not see that Iran is funding the insurgents and providing terrorists who are killing American and British Soldiers in Iraq doing everything in their power to stop peace and democracy in Iraq so as they can turn it, like Iran into an Islamist state?

Would you rather have two neighbors that live side by side fighting with each other? Or, would you rather have two neighbors that live in peace? I think the answer is a no brainer.

Look ar above post to da truth. The reason there is no peace in the Middle East is because Palestine(and every other Muslim land) does not want an Israel. They have stated many times, something you appear to have forgotten, that "As long as Israel exists, there will be war in the Middle East. The war and discord is there because of Islam, along with every other religious conflict in the world. The bottom line is simple, as long as Islam exists there will always be war as they have no desire to live alongside Kuffars.

It appears that you have no understanding about Israel and the IDF do you? They are an exceptionally highly skilled and highly trained fighting force. Israel would not have one problem whatsoever in taking out Iran. Although heavily outnumbered they wouldn't have a problem and the reason why Iran is trying to ally itself to Russia and China and as many other countries as it can is because it knows this.

I'm not even going to answer the rest of your 'Obama-worship' drivel because it clearly goes to show that when it comes to common sense, God forgot you when he was handing it out. You have bought into the hype and bullsh*t of Obama. You have carefully looked over what he is about and his connections, because like you(i believe) he happens to be black and you'd do anything in your power(as a black man) to have a black president, regardless of his/her views. It saddens me to think that America is this way and your post proves just how racist it is. You cannot see and that is the misfortune of it all. Like Muslims, Blacks in America are brainwashed and indoctrinated into believing they are still slaves to the white man. Like Islam Blacks continue to play the "victim". It's all rather pathetic really but then it's just a sign of jealousy unfortunately, because Blacks in America have still not realised that although the slave trade was a terrible thing, had their ancestors not been brought over here in the past, they would not have the freedom they have today. They would in fact be living in some African sh*thole, being oppressed by some tribal Warlord or facing persecution from their government troops or rebel forces. They may also very well be dying in their thousands in disease and squalor or famine. Blacks in America have everything, continue to moan on about them being African Americans and how hard they have it when in reality, there are millions of Africans who would give their right arms to be American and savour the freedom Blacks in America take for granted but continuously attack those who give it to them.

Try another website to praise your new 'false' prophet in Obama. There are many, but you will not find quarter here Real Soldier. Go and pick up a book and educate yourself.

Thanks, Rich, I needed a heartly laugh before retiring for the evening -- Night All! -/-

Oops...I mean "hearty" laugh...my bad!

Note to duh_swami:

I have to agree with you about the election unleashing a wave of Obama trolls out here ... lots of unfamiliar screenames spewing a lot of crap.

Champ,

My partner is black, a British born Black woman who comes from a well educated background and her parents from a good part of Jamaica. They moved to the UK for a better life and to give their children a good education. She lived in America and has told me what I already knew, but as a Black woman, she has told me that Black America IS very racist and they continue to go on about the slave trade even though none of them have ever experienced it. Believe it or not "champ" there are Blacks who can see this, but then that's the difference between the old school Black British and the young ones of today(whose minds are polluted with Hiphop and Rap). The old school British Blacks aren't African or West Indian but British. Their culture is British, their homeland is Britain and they do not class themselves as African or West Indian. I have many friends like that. They have in fact, overcome their colour as an identity and see their personalities and what they know to be far more important in their lives. They are not a colour(like so many Blacks in America) they are human beings like you and I and they do not use their colour(and of course subsequent oppression) to get what they want.
I completely empathise with you Champ. I know just how you feel. I was sickened by the Rodney King riots and of course the OJ Simpson trial. It was disgusting and really has destroyed your justice system.
You may have heard of the Stephen Lawrence murder, where a young Black teenager was stabbed to death by a group of White racists in the UK(gangster connections) and they were never brought to justice. This was a terrible affair, however the subsequent MacPherson report(the top law lord at the time) brought about the destruction of the Police and the Justice system here to with that one report. The murder of one person changed a country for good and this has not worked well here in the UK.
When I turn on the TV(very rarely) and I see any films, all I hear is "Black this" and "black that". It's sickening. The problem with Blacks is that they cannot see themselves as anything else other than a colour. Like I said, from day one they are brainwashed into believing that they will be a victim. It's all rather sickening really. Any people I know like that I ignore and those blacks that are my friends, I don't even see their colour. That's really what it's like as they're British, believe in our values and not West Indian/African like their parents. It's a pity Americans didn't see the same thing, but then until you remove this "African American" bullsh*t for the simple reason that it is impossible to be born in the USA and be African. However if you were born in Africa, came to the USA and got citizenship then of course, you could certainly class yourself as such.

Good luck in the USA. We're watching here in the UK too at your unfortunate result and there are many who are behind you. However, next time, thnk about the Republican candidate more as McCain, although a very good man of honesty and integrity really ran an abysmal campaign and that's why you lost. The Republicans should have attacked Obama's connections and his sordid past, they didn't and that's why they lost.

take care

Just finished reading all of the posts above. The pervasive cynicism is astonishing and very depressing. Another brandy, then to bed.

Forgive my cock ups with the closing of the italic HTML code. I screwed up and you can see. :(

From Richard the Lionhearted above;

"...What is wrong with the American people? Well, I know what's wrong. It's the same wrong that's happening to the British. It's called liberal socialism with a Marxist twist. It's been infiltrating our society since the 60's and has drilled straight into the heart of our society..."

Richard, you are absolutely right. Stems from the infiltration of the Frankfurt School of Social Research's bevy of Commies, who infiltrated both of our universities with "critical theory" and have brainwashed 3 or 4 generational waves, who have in turn grown up into Obama voters.

Communist indoctrination, like Islamic indoctrination, does not just wash the brain, it numbs it. As Savage says, liberalism is a mental disease.

As for President-elect Obama being the first black president, that is indeed a hinge of U.S. history (as Thomas Cahill might call it). But a far more important hinge of U.S. history is that the President-elect is the first socialist to hold that office. This will be a major turning point in the history of the United States and perhaps the world. It remains to be seen whether America will still be Reagan's shining city on a hill, a beacon of freedom and liberty to all the world's oppressed.

Israelis need to take off their rose-colored glasses. January 20, 2009 will not be a bright day for them. They need to give Beny an over-whelming vote so that he can stand up to the USA as well as Iran. Livni will appease Israel's enemies until there is no Israel left.

Adobe above is right - Israel, don't fall for this...

To Richard The Lion Heart: You nailed it, spot on!
Realsoldier, Da truth you can have your dream of of BO bringing peace to the ME. Israel does not need or want anymore islamofacist sympathizers like Condi Vice, Jimmy "the WORST and Most COWARDLY President ever" Carter and Rahm Emanuel. BO's past and PRESENT associations with sympathizers of radical islam are valid and should be pause for for deep concern to Israel and the United States. The Clinton administration a freind to Israel?? How sad that so many American Jews were duped by BHO and his lying words and slimey charm. Israel living in peace side by side with who?? The islamofacists that are now in gazastan, Egypt, Jordan, Syria just to mention a few. They are all sworn to the destruction of Israel and death to every Jew they can kill. Do no try to think those of us who truly care about Israel can be smoothed over by worthless treaties with islamic countries like Egypt. In case you did not notice, the so called palestinians voted for HAMAS. Hamas, who in their charter calls for the destruction of Israel and the retaking of all Jewish land.

Richard the Lion Heart mentions the stealth jihad that is being waged on a vast majority of colleges and universities across America, and he is absolutely correct that this is instrumental to the MSA, Cair and other racist organizations that want nothing more than islam to reign supreme in The United Staees and around the globe.
His is post was not racist at all. He has had made astute observations and shared them here with us. Bravo for him!

duh truth, you worked in the civil rights movement
and for the federal gov't, well that is great but look who is calling the kettle black. You want to talk about lying, thieving sound bites from murdering cowards? How about what the MSM has done to George Bush during his entire presidency, what about what the MSM did all during the last two years to wipe Bo's ass clean of all the crap he had so he would apprear pure and without any flaws? As an American Jew, I CAN REMEMBER NAZI GERMANY and all the relatives I lost. I REMEMBER my relatives who DID escape Europe and the concentration camps. I REMEMBER the ID numbers tatooed on their arms, and their stories of the horrors they lived through. Don't talk to me about oppression, discrimination and genocide. Yes, blacks have suffered, and horribly throughout our history and I do not discount their suffering at all. Ignorant and incompetent? You need to look in the mirror to really see that. If the United States is so awful, then please, feel free to leave. You should have your brain removed! Problem is you do not have one. It has been eaten away by all the koolaid you have drank over your lifetime. Call me racist, power hungry or whatever, BUT do not forget it is people like me who will be defending your sorry ass to speak out freely and fight what is coming from the disaster of the OBUMA term, and let us pray that it is only one.

Jimmy Bones,

I've been saying this all along(good post by the way) that Obama is a socialist, like Tony Blair that will forever change America for the worst. What I find really and utterly distressing is that the first 'black' president will be the one who ruins America and the hopes of millions around the world who are looking to it for protection and continued freedom from oppression. Of all the brilliant Black Americans, true Americans, true patriots, they elect this man, who is nothing but a wolf in sheep's clothing. They can say what they like about Bush, but America's been terrorist atrocity free since 9/11 and I truly do believe that there will be peace eventually in Iraq, although I believe that Iraqis should have overthrown Saddam and not the West as it's their struggle and not ours.

Indeed Jimmy. January 20, 2009 will not be a bright day for the Israelis and they need to vote for a strong leader who will defend Israel. I know one thing though and that is, if it does kick off with Iran then I am truly thinking about going to Israel to fight for them. I would say I'm a Christian in that I believe in the goodness of Christ(although not a practicing one) and I feel it my duty to help them in their hour of need. Evil prevails when good men do nothing and I certainly won't fall into that mistake. I owe my ancestors too much for their sacrifice, to watch a country who is on the front line, fighting for freedom and democracy while surrounded by animals desperate for their annihilation. And trust me, the Muslims wouldn't know what hit them if I got over there.

PatriotUSA,

Thank you for your words. Your country truly is on a turn for the worst. I can see Americans beginning to suffer under Obama and the Democrats like us here in the UK under Brown and NuLabour. Socialism is going to destroy the USA and hopefully the American people will force Obama out of Office and bring back a Republican one instead. It's amazing to see just how many people were ignorant to Obamas history and yet they voted him in. voting for Obama as a white man would be like voting for the KKK as a black man and nothing more than madness.
The indoctrination of Socialism has been happening for a while now and is rampant in your media. It is the same in the UK and all over Europe too so you are not alone. I feel a terrible war happening. I do feel a WW3 on the horizon as civil war erupts all over the World, as people fight against their socialist(communist) rulers intent on oppressing them and introducing Islamisation as well.
When the call comes to fight, I'll be ready as I said in my previous post to Jimmy Bones. I owe it to my ancestors for their sacrifices for me to live as I do. So does any other self respecting human being on this planet.

Its undeniable that things are not going well over here in the US. However, our European friends should take comfort in the fact that the position of the median American on issues such as jihad and socialism is not nearly so far gone as it is in Europe.

We just need some leadership, and the void will be filled.

Until then, God save us.

I don't think Israel has anything to worry about with Rahm Emmanuel in the White House. Relax, people.

Ahmadinejad is only joking. He is the worlds greatest comedian. He wouldn't hurt anyone. He just needs someone to really sit down at the table with him, someone who really knows how to discuss things properly.

Troll plants...da truth and realsoldier posted between 7:52 and 7:55 PM.

Then they both split. Neither one has posted since, and probably won't.

They are either the same person, or a team.
Their purpose is to disrupt...

Responding to them is pointless, and Richard the Lionheart, you owe these trollarians nothing. No explanations...Nothing...

I don't think Israel has anything to worry about with Rahm Emmanuel in the White House. Relax, people.

Posted by: Bingo

Maybe, but Rahm is a hatchet man, the only question is, which direction will he swing the hatchet...

I've had some of the same thoughts as Richard and PatriotUSA about our school systems teaching socialism and marxism. Yet my hope is that the youth who are taught these philosophies eventually realize that those ideas only lead to oppression and stagnation except for the most indoctrinated of them. The election of Obama in my opinion was more the result of naivete of the voters and the misunderstanding and cloaking of Obama's true ideals by his campaign staff. You can see on different sites where his supporters seem to be organized in their attempts to silence Obama's critics and distort and even erase all incriminating evidence of Obama's true intentions. This reeks of Stalin and more recently Chavez. If you look some of the same things that he's enacted in Venezuela to silence his critics and push his "socialist", or in my opinion stalinist, agenda are being proposed by dems in the states, for instance the fairness doctrine that would almost completely push out all conservative critics. Personally I'm terrified of the idea of being monitored by video surveillance as they are in the U.K. and it's my opinion that they're testing American's reactions with the red light cameras being installed at stop lights around the country with the goal of moving to more intrusive surveillance if the reactions are manageable. Control of the populace is always one of the main objectives in the goal of pushing a socialist or stalinist agenda. So I am worried about the eventual struggle against the oppressive governments being put into power, absolutely. I question whether there are enough strong and just people to fight them. If you say it can never happen I'll ask you to tell that to the Chinese, the Russians and all the former Soviet states, the North Koreans, the Venezuelans, etc... though it might not happen tomorrow, the conditions may be right for this transition after the children who have been taught this are the majority of voters. I urge you to look at this, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-471324/Sex-motherland-Russian-youths-encouraged-procreate-camp.html
forgive the title of the article but don't take these things lightly when the enemies of freedom are preparing to destroy everything you believe to be your fundamental rights. I don't believe that Obama really even understands who is pushing certain agendas which he might only partially support, and no I don't think there will be a complete takeover by the Obama administration, but I do believe that he will put into place the laws and legislation that will create a threat to democracy and freedom later on. Anyway enough ranting, frustrated at the lack of concern the American people express, but at least there are some such as Richard and PatriotUSA who see things for what they are. I wish you both the best and pray that we're wrong.

Thank you duh_swami,

I had a feeling they were one and the same as their styles were too similar. Yes they are Trolls and stupid ones too.

mcal,

I've had some of the same thoughts as Richard and PatriotUSA about our school systems teaching socialism and marxism. Yet my hope is that the youth who are taught these philosophies eventually realize that those ideas only lead to oppression and stagnation except for the most indoctrinated of them.

When I was younger I grew up in a predominately Labour(left wing) environment. It was only through a conservative schooling that I am the way I am. You really are a product of your education and I really do fear that the socialist Marxist indoctrination of the youth here in the UK, over the last 40 years in our state schools, has caused a long term damaging situation, that only the true of heart and continuously questioning of those will break away from. In other words, many will not change their views and continue to support the ideals that washed their brains of the truth while they grew up in a system that their parents believed were teaching them the truth(that is, those not also brainwashed in state education previously). Our private schools are under attack in the UK, because more and more parents know that their children will get a good education, a conservative education but one that will bring them up with respect for others and also in a non violent surrounding, like many inner city schools. The government can see this and is therefore doing its best to stop this, by trying to implement policy, that Private schools take a quota of disruptive pupils from state schools. As you can see, this is nothing more than madness and the very reason that parents are now scrimping and saving to send their children to Private schools - to escape the lawlessness of inner city state schools with the very bullies and class disruptors the government now wants to send to private schools.

You can see on different sites where his supporters seem to be organized in their attempts to silence Obama's critics and distort and even erase all incriminating evidence of Obama's true intentions. This reeks of Stalin and more recently Chavez. If you look some of the same things that he's enacted in Venezuela to silence his critics and push his "socialist", or in my opinion stalinist, agenda are being proposed by dems in the states, for instance the fairness doctrine that would almost completely push out all conservative critics.

This is classic socialist activity. They get in power and then do their best to remove all competition. While continuously promoting freedoms they are the first to remove them and watch as this happens in the USA as it has here in the UK under NuLabour. They do their best to promote multiculturalism and remove racism and discrimination when in reality they want to destroy indigenous population in favour of immigrants, who attain positions of power with which to endorse their culture of their previous land on the already culture of the land they now inhabit. This is synonymous with Nulabour and the Left who look upon themselves as the victims in society because they are the minority. Worse still they then start to enforce 'positive discrimination' upon their own indigenous population - i.e. they do not choose teachers because of their skills but because of their ethnicity, therefore completely removing any desire in the young to be teachers, for fear of not having a job for the wrong colour(white). And to finally add, they simply are unable to realise that if you ignore the indigenous, majority in favour of immigrants and their cultures over the hosts then you effectively light the fuse of civil war which in turn will create much racism and persecution of the NON indigenous population. If I may finish my point, it is the left wing parties and associations that the immigrants always head to in any society. It is there where they more than likely will meet people from their own culture. It is in the left where the destruction of society begins in favour of implementing their members' home cultures and at the moment, here in the UK there are many, but Islam is the Culture that is ruling the majority, hence its complete control over our government and the media. The left wing wins by concentrating on the minorities. It always has as it despises the majority and does its best to destroy the social cohesion and community that the majority creates (smoking in pubs, alcohol amount, segregated pubs for men and women, families etc etc).

Personally I'm terrified of the idea of being monitored by video surveillance as they are in the U.K. and it's my opinion that they're testing American's reactions with the red light cameras being installed at stop lights around the country with the goal of moving to more intrusive surveillance if the reactions are manageable. Control of the populace is always one of the main objectives in the goal of pushing a socialist or stalinist agenda.

Here in the UK, apart from having 1 camera for every 24 people in the UK, that's 2.5 million, the government is not only trying to implement ID cards(from next year) that will have all our data on, they also want to record every phone call, email and web search/address we make. They want an internet Black box for Britain. People have not yet caught on that the left is Big Brother from 1984. That's socialism for you. I fully agree. I would also recommend that you read a book by a British journalist and the book is called The Abolition of Liberty: The Decline of Order and Justice in England by Peter Hitchens as he speaks of just this, about the left and their machinations and plans for society.

I think that Obama will destroy the UK. I also see a rise in racism as well, from Black to white. Already gun sales have increased in the USA, no doubt from purchasing by the whites, believing that Blacks will get an even easier ride in society that they already have. I believe that Obama is at heart a racist. He does not like white people. He broke away from the white side of his family, although it was them that gave him the education and safe environment with which to grow. Why do I think he's a racist? Well apart from preferring Reverend Wright to his own Granny, there's also the fact that he was his mentor, himself a racist. Then there are the links to various 'black supremacy' groups, most notably The nation of Islam. There are of course more. In other words, white people voting for Obama, would be like the Black people voting for a member of the KKK.
I can't say how long America has before it loses everything it was founded on and for, but safe to say, Obama is the catalyst in the downfall of the American Nation. We may even see the breakup of the Republic with many states no longer wanting to be part of the USA. So, effectively, the USA, will turn into countries within countries and be like it was before the Civil War, with a huge increase in racism as the whites fight for survival within America as Black America does its best to subjugate them and get 'payback'(so called) for the Slave Trade, another piece of propaganda, that the black Americans(and Blacks in the UK) are ignorant to the true story - The Arab Slave Trade.

I wish you well to mcal and I hope that we're wrong as well, however, if anything I can say about my life so far is that everything I've predicted to happen has happened, very possibly because I take all the pieces of the jigsaw and put them together to get the whole picture.

Correction: third last paragraph start :

I think that Obama will destroy the UK

No matter. As we go, so do our British cousins.