"Our initial investigation points that these attacks were carried out by jihadi forces with the help of local militant groups." Which do you think is more likely -- that Muslims in India and the West will protest against this jihad violence, or that they will protest against efforts by non-Muslims to investigate it and to try to implement ways to head it off in the future?
Of course it's a rhetorical question, for the behavior of even the most "moderate" of self-proclaimed moderate Muslim groups has been consistent since 9/11 and before that as well: Islamic terrorism? Not worth noting, except with bland condemnations of undefined "terrorism." Non-Muslims speaking about Islamic terrorism and calling upon all free people to resist it? That is worth noting -- and greeting with cries of "Hate!" and "Islamophobia!"
"Indian Mujahideen claim responsibility for Assam blasts," from the Daily Times, November 1 (thanks to Infidel Hindu):
GUWAHATI: A little-known Islamic group claimed responsibility in a text message to a news channel Friday for serial blasts in India’s Assam that claimed 76 lives on Thursday, police said. The group, identifying itself as the ‘Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahideen’, warned such attacks would continue in the Assam state, police said.“The Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahedeen takes the responsibility for yesterday's blasts,” said the text message sent to the Newslive television network in Assam. "We warn all of Assam and India for situations like this in the future and we thank all our holy members and partners," added the message.
A police spokesman said the group was believed to have come into existence in 2000 in western Assam, where tribal Bodo militants are campaigning against Muslim settlers from nearby Bangladesh. The group has not been active recently in Assam, where more than a dozen militant groups are campaigning for demands ranging from independence to greater autonomy.
The police's suspicion had centred on the rebel United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA), which has been fighting for an independent homeland since 1979, but the ULFA had denied its involvement. Bangladesh-based Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami was also a suspect, Reuters reported.
"Our initial investigation points that these attacks were carried out by jihadi forces with the help of local militant groups," Khagen Sharma, inspector general of police in Assam and chief of Assam's intelligence services, told Reuters. "We had information about jihadi and ULFA elements planning strikes in Assam," Reuters quoted Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi as saying....
Some perspective from people on the ground ( Cross posted from another forum )
"Took a ghoulish survey of the affected areas this morning and the damage is mind boggling. Cars, auto-scooters and buses were mangled and charred black in the most violent way possible, in some cases being unrecognizable. In Ganeshguri, an Indica was blown up from ground level onto the flyover above it. Eyewitnesses said that some passengers were completely charred while still in their sitting positions inside the bus.
Opinion on the street is that this was the jihadis' way of giving India the middle finger in retaliation for the recent Bodo-bangladeshi riots in Udalguri where an attempt was made to drive out bangladeshis from Bodo lands, the message from the jihadis being chilling and straightforward: "we will take your land, kill your families and set fire to your cities at will and there is nothing you can do about it".
In Udalguri, the trigger was a minor altercation but the beedees came out suddenly in droves armed with weapons and some were from as far away as Nagaon district about 200 kms away! Their Friday sermons must have been very precise in the weeks preceding. Looking at the situation from their eyes, they realize that they will not be able to take over full control of Assam without bloodshed and now that they are in the majority (I fully believe they are), they can bring the end game closer. There is no doubt in my mind that this is what they are planning. The question is what is our response going to be."
-Victor
"Tamang, Bds are a riverine people and most comfortable near
waterbodies. flood are no worries for them - they have boats and
rafts and will just float away for a while, catching all the fish
and crab they can. there are reports of kids being put in aluminium rice cooking handis and using that as boats.
Meghalaya doesnt have much of plains land, mostly its hilly and
some terrace cultivation is done. so the BDs instead settled in
tripura, barak and brahmaputra valley. if land is exhausted there,
will no doubt make a meal of meghalaya too - they are like
termites - very pack oriented, and persistent. swat two and three
more appear.
foreign funding for 'charities' and 'schools' has also made them
very bold and also the strong support of the successive Cong(I)
govts, who also have electoral pacts with more hardline
SP type local islamist outfits.
today they are a strong and well organized 5th column numbering in the millions. there is no way in hell the local
people can just 'throw them out' or even slap them around.
you hit a cricket ball into a BD dominated jhopri cluster
and moment some kid walks in to claim his ball, 5 people
armed with knives appear and demand to know why he is
there? my uncle's plot of land was in litigation and occupied
by such gents. he couldnt get them to leave even after a
clear court order, had to pay them off.
Patilji was looking smart as usual in a black nehru suit.
the pleasures of biz class fight back to dilli awaited him.
no sign of MMS or headmistress today I think.
the cong(I) has turned the electoral system and demoractic
process in assam into a much abused whore who has no
honour left. with assam-specific IMDT and millions of BDs
crawling into the woodwork, they might as well have sold
the state to BD and spared us the this decades long decline
into the darkness.
atleast in other indian states, leaders take money but are
in general patriotic and get things done. NE has leaders who
are actively in cahoots with terrorist orgs and pay protection
money.
even today in Nagaland, all 'indian dogs' posted there are
made to pay a part of monthly salary to NSCN as 'tax'.
only the army doesnt pay tax. ask anyone who does business
or works in nagaland.
Fahkruddin was from barpeta, the blast in barpeta road which
is on NH 20km away killed mostly BD musalman settlers, that
belt is completely greenified.
'lower assam' is lost to the orcs and 'upper assam' is cut
off now from the mainland and surrounded on all sides.
the Bodos, Rajbonshis and Cooch bihar people are the
first civilizations to feel the saif-ul-islam on their necks.
northern WB has been taken over even worse....malda,
farakka, siliguri...100s of madrasas, militias in 3 feet long
beards running around, reports of strange farsis and afghans
seen.....
GOI has to build roads, rails, PSUs on a war footing and shine
the torchlight of mobility and state presence into every dark
territory in India. no roads & poverty suits BDs just fine --
-- very similar to what they ran away from , fresh lands for
islam to plant its flag on and subdue other peoples."
-Singha
This is the true picture of what happened in Assam before they set off the bombs on thursday. The government of india is in favour of Moslems for the votes and they do not consider Hindus as a vote bank due to divisions among hindus.
http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/rkm/assam-the-true-picture
http://www.sanghparivar.org/pakistani-flags-in-three-paces-in-assam
Hindus need to unite and fight this plague of islamists. where is the fight among the Indian Hindu?
They (the Hindus) are too busy decimating India's already decimated Christian population.
When the explosions occured, the AP reported on it in an article on 30 October, 2008. In concluding the article the author identified possible culprits for these explosions. Here is what was written:
Dozens of militant separatist groups are active in India's northeast, an isolated region wedged between Bangladesh, Bhutan, China and Myanmar with only a thin corridor connecting it to the rest of India.
The separatists accuse the central government in New Delhi, 1,000 miles to the west, of exploiting the region's natural resources while doing little for the indigenous people — most of whom are ethnically closer to Burma and China than to the rest of India.
More than 10,000 people have died in separatist violence over the past decade in the region.
India has also blamed several previous serial attacks in India on Islamic militants from nearby Bangladesh.
The author made sure to list the least likely suspects first and went on to describe them. At the end of the article they had one sentence only in reference to Islamic militants. Doesn't that seem odd, knowing that most of the bombings in recent years are done by Islamic militants? Why did the author minimize attention to that group by giving the impression that they were the least likely culprits? Those are my questions.
norman
I hope you get answers to your questions.
For that humanity world over is waiting for the last 1400 years. And things are getting acutely bad.The enemy is watching more than us and more cunningly calculated now.The real confussion will arise when kaabaa demices.It is but inevitable in the world cycle. Till then ...
the message from the jihadis being chilling and straightforward: "we will take your land, kill your families and set fire to your cities at will and there is nothing you can do about it".
Oh but there's plenty we can do about it, if we chose to.
You do not understand the situation in Assam at all. Muslims are about 35-40% of the population there and all of them are armed to the teeth. It is no longer about stealth jihad or sharia. It's a battle for survival.
Which is why the West had better take action while no. of muslims is still low.
infidel_hindu,
What's your point? First you say I don't understand what's going on in Assam but you want the West to take action. If we don't understand then what are we supposed to do?
It is no longer about stealth jihad or sharia. It's a battle for survival.
AND THERE'S PLENTY WE COULD DO, IF WE CHOSE TO.
I emailed in this story 2 days ago under the heading 'Mass murder in India'...kept wondering why it wasn't posted?
"The group, identifying itself as the ‘Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahideen’, warned such attacks would continue in the Assam state, police said".
Well. I was under the impression that islam means peace. Somebody better tell the "Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahideen" that they have it all wrong and that they must remove the "Islamic" part of thier group name. Somehow I dont think that will happen.
PMK,
What I mean is the West should control immigration of muslims into their countries. Otherwise it could lead to an Assam like situation.
There is nothing the West can or should do about Assam. That is the responsibility of the people of India and do not think we are all asleep even though the govt. might be.
The first time I read about these bombings, they said it was the making of Assam's independentists. But in the end they were Islamists.
What I mean is the West should control immigration of muslims into their countries. Otherwise it could lead to an Assam like situation.
The problem is that I don't see important parties worried about this. And I don't see the people worried about this. They are worried about the economic crisis but just because they know they can be affected.
But stealth jihad, that's another thing: most of the people consider we are just exaggerating the threat. When all the people take into account the real situation, it will be too late.
Great Icon~
I read both links. Why are there "immigrant muslims" in Assam?
infidel_hindu,
The "message from jihadis" is directed at all of us, not just India. I took it in that light and responded to it as such. India is just one battlefield. War is being made on all of us.
I don't see why Assem's particular situation means it cannot be dealt with. This is not to suggest that there is a quick fix or an easy answer. Our problem is that we will not admit to the danger we face. Someday we must.
The Japanese were armed to the teeth. The Germans were armed to the teeth. When our backs were against the wall, we dealt with them. What is India doing? For instance, how is it that they got all these arms? Is anything being done to curtail the flow of weapons? Saying it's too big a problem to handle won't help anyone.
Even India has options. It's a sovereign state, after all. Is Assam like the tribal areas in Pakistan - totally lawless?
Sorry, there is no evidence that even Hindu fanatics are getting it that combating islam has to be priority #1.
Did greaticon get it right when he said the Indian governments want the Moslems for their votes? It is beginning to look as if democracy is our biggest problem, regarding the Moslems. Their votes are so precious, in every democratic country, that we will all be sold down the drain because of them.
Indians, Indian governments, WANT Moslems in their country, after all the trouble they gave them in the past? At least we in the West have the excuse of ignorance and inexperience.
Then again, we have no excuse, with all the history and knowledge of the world to draw on.
Get your facts right, it is MNS not Shiv Sena attacking North Indians and Bajrang has not done anything other than vandalize a church. ( Attacks against Christians in Orissa was sparked off by the assassination of a Hindu leader and was done by tribals, not BD ). Muhammedans ARE more carefully looked at, and Hindus anyway do not in general suffer too much illusions about them ( apart from the educated 'secular' middle class ).
If you go to forums like Bharat Rakshak you'll be surprised how many people actually are awake to the Muslim threat. Orgs like RSS and BD organize relief camps after every blast and the Congress govt's branding of them as 'Hindu terrorist' just endears them more to the people. Are you not aware of the Jammu agitation which was taken up by practically every Hindu in Jammu. BJP called a bandh in Assam after the blast which was met everywhere.
This is not to say that Indians very aware to the threat or something, but to say that everyone is asleep is plainly wrong. Do you live in India?
PMK,
It's a mistake to compare jihad in India with that in the West. That is because the numbers of muslims there are still very low so they cannot break into murderous riots. Here they can.
FYI for those who don't know, Assam was a primarily Hindu state and Muslims there are immigrant Bangladeshis. Bangladeshis are 100% jihad oriented ( unlike Indian muslims ) and their arms supplies come from Bangladesh. It was Fakruddin Ahmed, the first (surprise!) Muslim chief minister who started the policy of giving ration cards to these people so that they could vote for him. ( He later went on to become president of India, what a shame ). This was all facilitated by the successors of the Nehru Gandhi family and their sycophants who have ruled India most of the time after Independance .Today the immigrant community of Bangladeshis numbers in millions and provides a cover for the terrorists. Their ghettos cannot be investigated because of myopic pseudo secular congress govt which is muslim appeasing.
Listen guys, the fact is that the Muslim lobby has been steadily infiltrating the Left for generations now. By melding into the Left-wing fold, they could pursue their agenda without sticking their necks out directly. But more recently through the use of anonymous terrorist attacks, they can express their Islamic agenda very directly.
For non-Indians, I'll explain that there are 2 sets of guerrilla groups in Assam. There are the local indigenous people, who are fighting to stop illegal infiltration and encroachment onto their land. Then there are the illegal migrants themselves (Bangladeshi Muslims) who have formed their own guerrilla groups to fight for their side. The Indian govt has ended up fighting against both sides. This is because the Indian govt doesn't want to alienate its Muslim vote bank by picking on the Muslim illegals, and instead wants to show its "even-handedness" and its "secularism" by rounding up anybody taking the law into their own hands (as ineffective as the law is in those parts). The local Assamese have grown so frustrated that they are now openly fighting for independence from India. They feel they can't rely upon India anymore, and so they're fighting to be independent from it.
infidel_hindu,
I disagree. It is not a mistake to compare India to the West. India's past is our present. India's present is our future.
I still go back to your first reply. They were armed to the teeth. So what? You still have to fight them or else surrender Assam to them.
I'm not saying you have gun battles in the streets but there has to be rule of law. If they're Bangladeshis then why can't they be deported to Bangladesh? It's no longer being persecuted by what was formerly West Pakistan. Otherwise, what is India? Won't you end up with little Pakistans in your midst that will demand separation?
sanman,
If the Indian government doesn't want to alienate its Muslim vote and so will side with them against order, justice and India itself, then what hope is there for India?
In country after country this question keeps coming back. Whose side are the non-Muslims on? Is being a leftist more important than resisting jihad? I can understand how the Bangladeshis would seek out the Left but why do non-Muslim Indians join forces with the Bangladeshi illegal immigrant?
If the first group of guerrilla, who are fighting only to stop illegal encroachment, have no ally in the government of India then whom do they vote for? The law of the jungle has to take over.
PMK... Is being a leftist more important than resisting jihad?
That is a $64 question...Glad you asked it.
I can't answer that because I'm not a leftist...
Maybe there is s hardball leftist reading this that would enlighten us...
Infidel_Hindu
I happen to be in India for the past several months, even though I'm normally an US resident. MNS and Shiv Sena are virtually the same party and are only split bacause of the Thackeray family: there are no ideological differences between the Shiv Sena and the MNS (which btw is very much part of the Hindutva movement). And it wasn't just in Orissa that churches were attacked (and the VHP leader who was killed was killed by Marxists, not Christians) - it was in Karnataka and MP as well. Yeah, I am against contrived conversions, but if the Sangh parivar is going to use violence, they need to use it first against those bastions of IM activity like Azamgarh, and only after they have wiped out all Jihadi activity (like happened in Gujarat during those riots) do they have the right to do anything, if anything, about the Christians.
I read the papers, and behind all the mention of SIMI/IM activity is analysis about the 'root causes' - from housing discrimination against Mohammedans, whether Jamia Nagar was a fake encounter, et al. In the papers, I see nothing from people protesting at this activity, which has made this the worst Dushera and Diwali festival in a while now.
I normally read Hindu Unity, but that site hasn't been updated in a while. There have been several jihadi attacks over the last several months, and nothing has happened to Mohammedans as a result - no boycott of their businesses, no demonstrations outside the Jama Masjid, nothing. Instead, the last time something happened in Delhi, there was a demonstration by Mohammedans at the Gateway of India indulging in a combination of taquiyya and 'we are the victims here' attitude. If Hindus were serious about this, Mohammedans would be scared to walk the streets of Indian cities. Nothing like that has happened - I see those imam beards and burqhas as often here as I did in Santa Clara.
Next time something happens and there's a backlash, I'll accept your word for it. Until then, it's all hat and no cattle.
skevin,
India is having a very big problem,it has the second biggest muslim population in the world. During 1946-47 partition of the indian subcontinent into India, pakistan and east pakistan(now Bangaladesh), the exchange of moslem populations did not take place fully. One third of the moslem population stayed back in india. The Hindus who stayed back in pakistan and bangladesh have all but been killed or converted into moslems due to terror. The hindu population in pakistan and bangladesh is very miniscule now due to this persecution. The Hindus in these two countries do not occupy any major positions and are ruled with an iron hand. Whereas in india the situation is totally different, Moslems population is growing unabated and they are given the highest posts in the country( Moslems have become the president in secular india)
Due to ethnic similarities of the moslems of india, pakistan and bangladesh its very difficult to identify who is who. Moslems being moderate when in low numbers and when their population grows they have started to show their True character. The congress government has always been in favour of the moslems as mostly they tilt the vote in their favour where they are 20-30% of the population. This policy of appeasement has letd to the congress government taking no action on muslims or being soft.
The bangladeshi moslems infiltrate into the country from the large border the india shares with bangladesh and settle down with the moslems in india. They come here as economic refugees due to poverty, since they cant find employment in their country. Now as it is true to their colours these moslems have begun to take advantage of the host and launch attacks on the country. The government as usual is sleeping and refuses to wake up.
Here's how it was reported on Australia's national news site (the ABC has its own correspondent in New Delhi) on 2 November:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/02/2407783.htm?section=justin
Three arrested over deadly Indian blasts
By Claire Mackay in Delhi
Posted 4 hours 30 minutes ago
'Indian police have arrested at least three people in relation to deadly bomb blasts in the country's north-east on Thursday that killed more than 70 people.
'The bombs went off in busy market places across the state and the death toll from the attacks continues to rise.
'Police say two cars and mobile phones used in the bomb attacks lead {sic: led} them to arrest at least three men.
'One of them is a Muslim man who sent a text message to local media claiming the group called the Islamic Security Force, Indian Mujahideen, was responsible for the blasts.
'Police believe the bombings were in response to attacks on Muslim settlers {tr: Muslim illegal-immigrants/ invaders from Bangladesh - dda} in the region last month.
'More than 10,000 people have been killed in insurgency-linked violence in Assam in the past two decades." END REPORT.
I do find it curious that these illegal immigrants/ invaders are referred to as 'settlers'.
I wonder what would happen if people started referring to Mohammedans in Britain or France as 'settlers' or even as 'colonists'?