Mumbai jihadists 'planned to kill 5,000'

Not enough rapid response training, too much sensitivity training?

Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article14086308.ece

Was all this forewarned in Sept?

http://www.deccanherald.com/CONTENT/Sep152008/scroll2008091590090.asp?section=frontpagenews

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/indian-mujahideen-warns-of-terror-attacks-in-mumbai_10095758.html

I'm pretty surprised that nobody talk about the violence of the Nigerians Muslims from the ANPP who killed more than 400 people because their party loose the elections against the (PDP) a party mainly Christian.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LT575781.htm

Quote from the photographer:

“What is the point if having policemen with guns if they refuse to use them? I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera."

Indeed, what is the point?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Be trained, be responsible, be safe:

http://www.carryconcealed.net/

Just when I thought Robert couldn't get any cooler he makes a Fail Blog reference. Love it.

Dude, if you want to kill 5000 people you need much heavier artillery or even WMDs, a lot more jihadists (like an army of them), and a better plan, not a handful of dudes on rubber dighys with guns. 19 jihadists armed with 747s killed 3000 people. Their plan obviously sucked.

The response, however, was unacceptably bad. They didn't call in the army for four hours. That's nuts. They didn't know how many hostages there were or how many terror sites would pop up, and especially in India, where terror strikes seem to come in bunches lately, that was a very, very stupid move.

Again, people, gets guns today and stock up on ammo before Obama/Biden/whoever taxes it into uavailability. I'm serious. There will be no robbers or rapists leaving my apartment alive, nor will there be jihadists running amok across the street from me. Because I'm armed. With a gun and a camera.

"A US counter-terrorism official said Lashkar-e-Taiba, a militant group fighting Indian rule in Kashmir, may have been responsible for the attacks..."
-- from the article above

Yes. Of course. Lashkar-e-Taiba, "fighting Indian rule in Kahsmir," indeed "may" have been responsible.

And yes, of course, Al-Qaeda, which openly claims to be fighting Infidels everywhere, "may" have been responsible.

And Jaish-e-Muhammad, like Lashkar-e-Taiba a Muslim group dedicated to violent Jihad with special attention to India, "may" have been responsible.

And so? All three of these groups are given aid and comfort, and much more, by people -- and officials, including high military officials -- in Pakistan.

And all three groups receive moral and other kinds of support from Muslims outside of Pakistan, including of course all kinds of Arabs.

What of it? How important is it to know exactly what group, or groupuscle, is involved? Is this what all of our attention should be focussed on?

Shouldn't our attention be focussed on what it is, what texts, and what tenets, inculcate the attitudes, the particular felt duty, to engage in a "struggle" or Jihad, here and there, or there and here, and in the end everywhere, against all Infidels, against their states, against their armies, against their peoples, against their legal and political institutions, against their customs and their understandings, against everything which Muslims can interpret as being an "obstacle" to the spread and then the dominance, of Islam.

Suppose the Mumbai terrorists are found, after all kinds of investigation and portentous remarks to the press by "terrorism experts," to have been Lashkar-e-Toiba. Then what? Does India give up the part of Kashmir it controls? Would that cause things to die down? Who, in his right mind, thinks that if India were to give up Kashmir that would make things easier for India, that it would serve to diminish any hostlity for Hindus and the Indian state felt by Muslims, either in Pakistan, or in Bangladesh, or in India itself? Who thinks India would be safer if it gave up Kashmir? Can anyone in his right mind think that?

Who thinks, similarly, that Israel would be rendered permaenently safer if it were to surrender control of that tiny, but so vital to its safety, bit of land that the Jordanians carefully renamed, in 1949 (a term never used before), as "the West Bank"?

Get real about it all. It's not to late to come to your senses, and admit -- all you grand panjandrums, you columnists, you political leaders, you diplomats, you national security advisers and Rand Corporation bigshots and so on , to admit that you really hadn't studied Islam au fond, hadn't read the Western scholars of Islam, hadn't assimilated the material, hadn't thought everything through.

But now you are beginning to, beginning to see, not the light, but the dark, at the end of the tunnel. And now beginning to figure out what other kinds of things, other than bringing "freedom" to "ordinary moms and dads," and attempting to protect Muslims from the consequences of Islam itself -- the political, economic, social, moral, and intellectual failures that come directly out of Islam, can be explained by an examination of Islma -- need to be considered.

Hopefully India catches the bastards.

Well, if the first responders weren't shooting back at them, I don't know what to say. Oh, maybe this: COWARDS!

Now will come the Mohammedan chicanery of using various terror groups to hide the responsibility of state sponsored terrorist activities.

http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=65767&language=en

Oh and before some says I need absolute proof, forget it, you’re not ever going to get it. Even with the video tape of OBL talking about the planning off 9/11, we still have nutty truthers out there.

I myself need only the evidence Mohammedan are involved to lay the blame now, I’m fed up with the PC multicultural crap.

Shades of things to come from the religion of peace and tolerance. What a monstrosity Islam is. No sensible person should respect it. A concerted and unified effort by the non-Muslim portion of mankind (thankfully a very large majority still) should be made to appeal to cultural Muslims, so called moderate Muslims, to reject the inherent intolerance, barbarism and self-serving nature of Mohammed's creed and to join the rest of the human race in eliminating (or at least extremely marginalizing) the cancer afflicting mankind which is Islam.

There is no good Islam. There is nothing in Islam which is meritorious which cannot be found elsewhere in man's religions and philosophies. All that is unique to Islam is malevolent. It must eventually be extirpated from the earth or mankind faces almost eternal woe.

One more thought and this is directed to all those, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, who still want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt. Here it is: Assuming Islam is the true religion (which I would bet my life on that it isn't), do not those who prize the dignity and worth of mankind not see that the Islamic deity is a monstrous deity, an Orwellian God, a control freak on a cosmic scale, who should be rejected, as Prometheus rejected Zeus and his fellow Olympians, in the name of the best which is human. All other major faiths allow for man to be free. Islam enslaves man. Therefore, if the Islamic deity is the true God, it is incumbent upon us to reject it and assert our humanness in the face of obliteration from something more powerful than us. Failure here would be preferable to submission.

Consider - There have over 12,300 jihad attacks SINCE 9-11.

If you haven't figured out that we (all the unbelievers on the planet) are at war with the Islamic Jihad, then you truly have "eyes wide shut".

"He described how its mastermind briefed the group to ‘target whites, preferably Americans and British’."

Racist scumbags.

tanstaaf

but the left will have you believe that all those attacks were either mossad or CIA or MI5 or all three.

When will our "experts" see the forest?

Only ten attackers when there were ten sites attacked?

That doesn't add up. Surely some just blended in with the crowd and escaped unnoticed.

If anyone is inclined to suggest that the US image abroad would change with the recent election let them study the recent events in Mumbai.
These fanatics weren't asking people if they were Baptists from Portugal or Cathars from Poland.
They were asking their victims if they were American or British or Jews.

borg

I believe that the indian government do not want to tell the people that the other 20 or so escaped!

It was theoretically impossible for 10 guys to attack 10 locations and kill that many people and take all those hostages.

There's many who escaped and have gone back to base for some R&R.

There will be another India attack, possibly this month or over christmas in India. Or maybe one in the USA or Europe. Some of those who escaped may be British passport holders. I refuse to call them British.

Liberals would love to give these guys a fair trial.

Christopher Hamilton
The Right Opinion, for the Right Wing

"... gunmen ... terrorists ... militants ..."

Everything except "Muslims." What a dhimmified MSM.

I was looking at some of the published aerial pictures/graphics that have appeared on several websites showing the different points of attack regarding the India terrorist incident - and I see an eerily and amazing resemblance to a “MAP OF THE DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN, NEW YORK CITY AREA”!!

Could it be that this is a ‘Green Light’ signal for other Jihad related terrorists groups that may be already be in New York planning another related attack happen soon? (reports from other websites say that an attack there may be imminent).

Could this be a ‘dressed rehearsal' for a similar attack? And also, that this attack in India is a definite sign that these types of tactical terrorist operations can be successfully carried out within the New York area in the very near future?

Only ten attackers when there were ten sites attacked?

Posted by: Borg

It's pretty unlikely, isn't it? Especially when witnesses at some of the attack sites reported 3 or 4 terrorists together. And when the reporter at the train station described how one would keep the other covered while he re-loaded.

More failure: this guy was captured alive

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Sad but true. We're not allowed to get information out of these creeps.

Might as well shoot to kill.

Better than Obama loosening them onto the streets.

Or, in this case, Obama might use his "moral high ground" to plead for soft-glove treatment for them.

Ed, maybe those "Intifada NYC" shirts weren't a joke. Not that they were funny. That would go down very, very differently in New York, where every convenience store has a gun behind the counter, as do most merchants, and many civilians are also armed. Even older Jewish merchants are armed. You never know when Al Sharpton may pay a visit across the street to incite a lynching. Plus NYC has not just police but the Port Authority. I wonder if it would take 4 hours to dispatch the military.

Don't give up your gun because it can happen here!!! I heard the cops didn't return fire! ? WTF!?

"Lashkar-I-Tayiba, Hezbollah, Al-Qaida, Abu Sayef" and countless list of other Islamic terrorist organizations..they all understand the mission and their goals in that mission from Somalia, The Sudan, Pakistan, New York, Madrid, London and forty something other countries in which they have carried out these barbarous attacks. The problem is....When will the west start connecting the obvious dots? What's next?

Please stop trying to make Indian police into cowards. A dozen or so of them lost their lives. Do you think that happened by them running in the opposite direction. They did what they could in a terrible situation where they were hopelessly outgunned, thrown into chaos, and facing a fanatical, focused band of murderers. Think back to the two bank robbers in L.A. a few years back who were so heavily armed (and armored) to the point of the L.A. cops might as well have had pea shooters against them. There were only TWO of them and yet they held off police for most of the afternoon until the SWAT teams finally arrived. Were the L.A. police cowards for not taking those two out sooner? No, and neither are the Indian police. Plus, even when the Indian commandos arrived there were (accurately) thought to be hostages involved. So they couldn't just blow the crap out of the jihadists like they probably would've preferred. A few commandos were killed too. And the anti-terror squad leader was killed taking on the train station killers. Yes there's a problem with some Indian politicians, particularly the ruling party, appeasing and making excuses for Islamic militancy, but don't blame the police and commandos who suffered as a result. And finally, it's just damn hard to stop such attacks in a free democratic society.

My condolences extend to our Hindu (and other) friends who were brutalized in such a way by these Muslim holy warriors who want to subjugate us all under the yoke of their Islamic supremacy.

Let this incident be yet another (as many as it takes apparently) reminder that this will be long and bloody struggle against a ruthless ideology which teaches and preaches that its followers must wage war against any "other" until it alone reigns.

There is no negotiation with such a foe. There is only the slow, inevitable realization that it's Us or Them. That's what they've forced on us. So be it.

Comment on the caption to the photo above, it wouldn't be a failure to capture him alive, as long as we put his remaining hours of life to some use through let us say, inventive and persuasive techniques at getting information on other jihadists and plans.

NYC, the east coast, Chicago or the west coast will be next due to their stringent gun laws prohibiting law abiding citizens from being armed to defend themselves, others and our nation....

come to Texas and do your thing and see what happens....

NYC, the east coast, Chicago or the west coast will be next due to their stringent gun laws prohibiting law abiding citizens from being armed to defend themselves, others and our nation....

hey muslim scum terrorists what don't yall come on down to Texas and do your thing and see what happens....

I am continually getting frustrated by the 'don't blame Pakistan' game going on in US news channels and trying to do 'equal-equal' between India and Pakistan as 'both suffer from terrorism'. What is this BS. This whole thing is masterminded by Pak army and ISI.

Most of the US think tanks are still allied with Pakistan as the were in the 1980s. What are they thinking? It is very important to convince neocons and 'foreign policy experts' that Pakistan is and always has been a terrorist state.

Give peace a chance, destroy the Pakistan army.

Furthermore it is a dangerous game that US, Russia and China are playing by arming and supporting rogue states in the hope that they will tackle 'bad Islam' - it is a delusion and every power that helps muslims gets their hands burnt sometime or the other. It is a shame that US still considers Pakistan as an 'ally' in it's 'war against terror' an oxymoron if there ever was one.

Terrorism ,killing humans wantonly without any rhyme or reason reminds an Indian fable. A monster/demon living near a city used to visit that city every night feed himself of human beings indiscriminately from different houses and people were fed-up and helpless. Nobody was able to kill that demon.Fed-up , the elders of that city met together and decided that this way there is more damage both to life and property. Because the hungry demon would damage houses before eating. The elders then resolved with the demon that instead of his coming every night , a person/human would be sent to him every night so that the demon can devour that human and remain satisfied and outside the city. So every night a human would reach from the numbered house to the demon and demon would devour and remain contented satisfied. This was going on till the number of a particular home came to send a human. That household was clever. The human from that home did something and vanquished the demon. Anyone who knows the rest of story ,then I would like to know.
So the India Govt. should calculate the monthly average of dyeing humans and send the same number to the demon of Terrorism to fill its satiety and keep it satisfied with limited loss of life and property.

(sic !)

Like Calvert, I find applying the word 'British' to these people unacceptable. At present thousands of people of this traitorous mindset live in Britain - a few hundred in prison, looking forward to their release - who hold British passports, so it looks as if we'll really need a new tag to apply to them. The Norwegians have the word Quisling - after the Norwegian prime minister who helped foreigners to kill Norwegians. Any suggestiosn? Who do we have among our British lovelies?

My deepest condolences to the families that lost their loved ones in this brutal & heartless attack.

A malaysian indian lady is missing after this attack.

Its very hard to believe that the motive of this attack was because of the harassment of indians to muslims. But the attack was targeted to British/Americans - White Christians, jewish people.

Pakistan is to be blamed for this attack. Their leaders often start a mess like this & use it for their own benefit, politically. However, it grows to a proportionate state where police did supeficial cleanups & they went underground.

I have very old friends from India & Pakistan, some things are not told in mass media. Many dont know that Benazir Butto started a fury that made khasmiri muslims to kill hindus there.

Then she got all the support she wanted & came to power to be pakistans' first female prime minister. When I saw this video 15 years ago, I coudnt believe my eyes. Then I noticed every muslim politician has very similar tactics. Hatred against hindus.

Allow me to explain how India had muslim converts.

First the arabs/middle east attacked India. They killed the males in the war & sometimes the females who by custom would along side their husbands wending their wounds, leaving their kids at home.

Many hindus dies protecting the indian states systematically. The ones that survive the war were forced to convert or die. Many choose to die, especially women (creameted with their husband), leaving their kids unprotected, and brainwashed into islam. leaving a generation of muslism that dont know their past.

Im sorry to say this as many muslim kids were results of forced marriages & rapes by their muslim invaders. They grow up hating the hindus as well without even learning what happened to them.

Now, the muslim generation dare not to question this fact because of their pride/ego.

A famous muslim general said this, We cannot kill the hindus (a different name before), in the 100,000's. But we create an army of indian muslim (by raping their women) and getting them to kill their brothers.

How fantastic a plan has worked over 600 years.

Dear muslim indians, do not forget where you come from & question your existence beyond the book. It id fine that your forefathers were forced into this, but dont fall for the arab trap. Please.

If you do, you will be a slave to the arabs who will use allah & mohammad as a reason to kill & die for them.

ColinUK

Quisling - after the Norwegian prime minister who helped foreigners to kill Norwegians

He was never elected Prime Minister. He was appointed by National Socialist Germany as "Minister-President" of conquered Norway.

Tried for treason after the war he was executed by firing squad, a fate that should have been shared by every member of the pre war pacifist Labour Government of Norway.

With the German invasion imminent, the Labour cabinet finally authorised the Norwegian Army chief to call up all army reservists and prepare to defend against what had become, by then, an almost inevitable German invasion. At the same time they instructed him to do it by using the postal service only and not to use any other means of summoning its reserves.

Cloud cuckooland logic does not excuse treason. The whole of that cabinet should have been placed before a firing squad after the war.

With these atrocities coming to light to western tv's, perhaps those can see a trend of what islamists/muslims do best, kill people and cowardly at that by ambush of unarmed civilians. and perhaps India, Israel, US and free world will unite against the islamists and non democratic world. l know the msm and brainy talking heads on tv will have all kinds of excuses about a tiny mininortiy, but the common person will see through this. And like many others posts, arm youself for protection that is coming your way sooner than you think.

I had left a comment at great length. Your system has swallowed it and I do not have the time to repeat myself, despite the gravity of the situation. I have better things to do and say than waste my time on repetition.

I had left a comment at great length. Your system has swallowed it and I do not have the time to repeat myself, despite the gravity of the situation. I have better things to do and say than waste my time on repetition.

There are plenty of evidences pointing to there is a whole army of guys living and working in the attacked places provided logistics to the terrorists and their main camp(s). Even in places like chaotic India these guys, no matter how well they were trained could not have been able to do that kind of damage with an ease. Apparently, the terrorists new about the hotels layouts better than the Indian Police and Commandos. They must have been drilled about the hotels via videos / models or whatever means... Apparently, two of them stayed in the Jewish house in Bombay/Mombay prior to the attack! How could that happen?

Hugh is right on the ball that we need to take on Imams/Quaran, in the media, before we get somewhere with Muslims. They aint going to solve their problem because they don't see any of this a problem.

"Only ten attackers when there were ten sites attacked?"
Posted by: Borg

I was wondering about that, too, as was ebonystone. Someone's headcount is drastically wrong, by probably at least a factor of 3 or 4.

Nostradamus21c, we're all having trouble with the new posting system. I've found it useful to paste my comments to the clipboard before hitting the Post button. When the system tells you that you're not signed in, perhaps for the second or third time in a row, you'll be ready with your saved text for the next try.

Hopefully the JW/DW staff will make enough noise at the appropriate places to get the problem fixed. In the meantime, we're all suffering together.

I first read it was 25 attackers, then it dropped to 15, now 10...How low can it go?

That was a lot of activity for 10 guys in ten locations...

"Indian officials say the gunmen who attacked Mumbai this week planned to kill up to 5,000 people."

The Muslims will be back...they always attack again..It is what Muslims do..

India says that they are now on a war footing with Pakistan. As both nations have nuclear capability can we expect an exchange soon? Go on just a small one to clear the air so to speak!

The DT today says that funds for the Mumbai attacks were raised in UK mosques by donations to charity. With a new mosque recently opened in Bradford we can expect more money for yet bigger explosions and more guns - charity Muslim style.

This is where zakat money goes, all of it with the exception of that which goes toward propaganda and administrative costs. Yet another reason why there should be no Muslims in the free world. Anytime they organize they funnel money into terror. It's the 4th Pillar. They have to. Allowing mosques and Islamic schools to stand on free-world soil gives them a way to donate to terror with a fair amount of transparency. They even get tax deductions for it. They should have no places of worship, nor should they be allowed to forego legitimate education for Islamic "education," nor should they be allowed to practice in public. All mosques and Islamic schools should be leveled and their assets seized. Furthermore, anyone who hires or houses illegals should be imprisoned and have their assets seized as well and all illegals should be imprisoned and deported like they are in Italy: http://radarsite.blogspot.com/2008/06/blips-on-screen-28-jun-08_27.html

There is nothing acceptable about Islam. There is nothing acceptable about allowing Muslims to organize for any purpose. There has never once been a case of Muslims organizing for any legitimate or beneficial purpose with the exception of the faceless, pseudoymous Muslims Against Sharia, and no, I don't think that Jasser's American Islamic Forum for Democracy is legitimate, since it only has about four members by official counts. Either it's basically nonexistent or it's not working for democracy.

From above: India says that they are now on a war footing with Pakistan. As both nations have nuclear capability can we expect an exchange soon?

A follow up attack with Pakistan already in the suspicion spotlight, may push India over the edge. The terrorists are now in the position of telling Pakistan and India, 'Lets you and him fight'...

Jdam...Your above post about covers it...As far as Islam is concerned, we are on the same page and in the same corner...

We're not allowed to get information out of these creeps.

Says who? In India, they make omelets by breaking eggs.

Long before he dangles at the end of a noose, Mr. Cargopants will be polygraphed, truth-serumed and brain-scanned. Repeatedly.

The real question is with which agencies India will share the intel they suck out of this jihadi who cheated himself out of 72 voluptuous ones...

The Israelis, for sure. The Americans, probably. Maybe the Russians and the Italians. The Brits and the French, not a chance.