It wouldn't be a huge surprise. "Indian forces arrest militants, including Pakistani," from News.com.au, November 28 (thanks to JE):
INDIAN security forces have arrested three militants, including a Pakistani national, inside a Mumbai hotel attacked by a group of gunmen.Quoting official sources, the Press Trust of India news agency reported the arrests were made inside the five-star Taj Mahal hotel, one of several targets in the city stormed by militants yesterday.
The report identified the Pakistani national as Ajmal Amir Kamal, a resident of Faridkot, Multan, in Pakistan.
It also said the militants were members of Lashkar-e-Toiba - a Pakistan-based group best known for an assault on the Indian parliament in 2001.
The report said the Pakistani detainee told Indian investigators that the group of 12 militants had been dropped off by a merchant vessel 10 nautical miles outside Indian waters, and had reached Mumbai in a small speedboat.
Earlier, A senior military official blamed Pakistani militants for the multiple attacks in Mumbai, killing at least 125 people and injuring hundreds more.
"They are from across the border and perhaps from Faridkot, Pakistan. They tried to pretend that they were from Hyderabad,'' said Major General R.K. Hooda, who is leading the military operation to flush out the extremists.
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh also said the militants had come from "outside the country'' - a thinly veiled reference to arch-rival and fellow nuclear-armed nation Pakistan.
He also warned in his televised address against "neighbours'' who provide a haven to anti-India militants.
Pakistan's defence minister immediately said his country had played no role in the attacks.
"In previous cases they have acted like this, but later it all proved wrong,'' Ahmed Mukhtar said.
"We are very much positive that Pakistan is not involved in this.''
India has in the past frequently accused Pakistan of backing Islamic militants active in India.
Militant Pakistani group Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is fighting Indian rule in Kashmir and is best known for an assault on the Indian parliament in 2001, also denied any involvement....
The terrorists speak on Indian TV. They are speaking Urdu with a clear Pakistani accent - no one living in India would speak like this nor use the vocabulary they're using.
http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-Terrorist-calling-himself-Sahadullah-spe-id-519886.php
http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-2nd-Terrorist-speaks-from-Nariman-house-id-519881.php
It's the usual excuses - atrocities on Muslims by India, Israel, USA and Britain have left them no other option. The list of dead has 15-20 Muslims and they have no answer to why these Muslims were killed as well. The bottom line for me is that they are well-trained, enjoy this life period and will use any excuse to indulge in this.
Arjun08,
We see right through these Pakistani b@$#@rds and their Arab paymasters!
I was listening to CNN. The host was confused and asking what were the terrorists doing at the Chabbad Jewish Center?
Hmmm...What were those Islamist doing at Chabbad Jewish Center? (sarc off/)
I'm running out of dolls houses to jump off!
Pakistan?
Say it ain't so!
I sincerely hope Gen. Petraeus is honing his strategy.
Arjun, thats a Kashmiri accent there rather than a normal Pakistani. I guess they could be Pakistani Kashmiris!
Arjun08:
I agree with you. This terrorist was speaking urdu! And, anyone who speaks urdu is not speaking a bombayite language. This much is clear.
The sick cowardly Muslim Jihadis and their murdering ideology. The cowards and their backers the Pakistanis Muslim and Saudi Arabia Muslim are thugs and Mass Murderers. This should be a clear sign to the rest of the world Islam is here to destroy all non Muslims. With the backing of the trillions of dollars that Saudi has got and the creation of Pakistan whose whole purpose is to continue the Islamic slaughter of non Muslims.
Ever since 9/11 you bet there is more coming. More deaths of non Muslims at the hands of Islamic Jihadis. What ever alliance with Pakistan and the rest of the world on the war on terror has failed miserably in India.
Vikrant, the first guy mentions Israeli atrocities on Palestinians and asks the journalist where we (Indians) were when these were going on, why we didn't stop it, and where all our talk of non-violence against citizens was. It's incomprehensible - wtf would Indians be doing arbitrating a foreign dispute or why?
It's ridiculous that random Indian citizens and non-Indian tourists be killed for the reasons he is giving - it makes ZERO ZERO sense to anyone capable of adding up 2 and 2.
I always wonder how their objective is advanced in any possible way by bomb blasts or random killing. If yesterday I was tolerant of Muslims, today I am less tolerant. Tomorrow, I will not care about them at all as human beings.
The saddest part of this whole thing is that India is clueless about what to do about the problem. Not just the government or the security agencies, but the entire citizenry is clueless - they don't know how to stop it. What specific steps would keep these nuts at bay - no one knows. Meanwhile, our esteemed PM is signing a visa liberalization regime with Pakistan as we speak!! It's over for India and it's time to jump ship. This proud ancient civilization that was a major contributor to ancient science, philosophy, mathematics, erotica, health and whatnot was great to have around while it lasted. But the country is bound to fall under Islam once again in the next few decades with its attendant decay and stone-age resignation. It's sad, but I see not one single person in India come up with a sensible intelligent actionable idea, me included. The Muslims are too numerous, will always complain and whine about persecution and will always kill and hurt non-Muslims who try to progress.
Sorry, but we should have had a clean Partition in 1947 - all Muslims transferred to Pakistan and Bangladesh, just the way they emptied their countries of all impurities/non-muslims. No thanks to Gandhi for this not having happened - what an idiot!
Modi just spoke on IBN live and laid the whole caper on Pakistan. Now what are they going to do?..the ball is in their court. Is that huge Indian military good for something besides parades..ce n'est pas assez..?
Oh, the religion of pieces is at it again? My, what a surprise...and how shocking that our ever loyal honest and supportive allies {pakistan} could possibly be considered as co-conspiritors. o.k., o.k., the sarcsam is off now.
Oh, the religion of pieces is at it again? My, what a surprise...and how shocking that our ever loyal honest and supportive allies {pakistan} could possibly be considered as co-conspiritors. o.k., o.k., the sarcsam is off now.
Oh, the religion of pieces is at it again? My, what a surprise...and how shocking that our ever loyal honest and supportive allies {pakistan} could possibly be considered as co-conspiritors. o.k., o.k., the sarcsam is off now.
Oh, the religion of pieces is at it again? My, what a surprise...and how shocking that our ever loyal honest and supportive allies {pakistan} could possibly be considered as co-conspiritors. o.k., o.k., the sarcsam is off now.
>>No thanks to Gandhi for this not having happened - what an idiot!
Arjun08, nearly all our problems can be traced back to Nehru and Gandhi. But we need to focus on what can be done now. Evicting the 150 M muslims from India is really not an option. The first thing to do is to get BJP govt back in power.
Latest update - almost all hostages have been rescued. There are maybe a few left in the 2 hotels.
Arjun08
According to the CCTV footage of the jihadis that was taken, the Pakis involved were speaking in Punjabi - something spoken only by Paki Punjabis in Pakistan and by Sikhs in India. They weren't speaking Urdu.
Infidel_hindu
We need to make life for Mohammedans in the rest of India as miserable as it is for them in Gujarat, so that they'll either voluntarily convert, or leave on their own - be it to GCC paradises like Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait or (for those who really care about their deen) KSA, or for those more jihadically inclined, they can go to Pakistan, Afghanistan or other places. We really do need to evict all Bangladeshis from India, which is about every Bengali speaking Mohammedan in North India - no 2 ways about it, even if they are 30 million.
Oh, and we need to support Abhinav Bharat - mainstream Hindutva parties like BJP, Shiv Sena and Bajrang Dal seem to have forgotten who the real enemy is.
I mentioned this in the thread containing the map about the death toll hitting 125, but in context of the Paki involvement, it bears repeating.
The Taj Hotel, shown in the map here, is right next to the Gateway of India, where the Jihadis landed in a rubber dingy from a ship (MV Alfa) that was later intercepted and seized along the Gujarat coast. This was the ship that had dropped the Jihadis into a dingy, from where they landed at the Gateway of India, and then dispersed, and then stormed the Taj Hotel and surrounding areas.
However, while the Indian government is busy blaming external forces, it's a little obvious that there were local (Mohammedan) support of it as well. These jihadis stormed the Taj Hotel, and let's assume that a few of them got as far as Leopold's Cafe (where it actually started) and Nariman House. However, the other places, like the rail terminus further north, and even the Trident Oberoi Hotel are much further for them to have had time to go there and pull this off. While one of those captured at the Taj was a Pakistani from Faridkot, it's not too far fetched to assume that some of the attacks that happened further north are the work of either local, or pre-stationed Jihadis in the area.
Infidel Pride: In the video links I've posted (see first post), the terrorist is clearly speaking Urdu, not Punjabi. But this might be because the interviewer is asking them questions in Hindi.
The Indian Government has 2 choices,
1. Act against the militants with brains.
2. Act towards keeping everyone happy & under control.
Obviously, they will do #1 but will not do #2.
To overcome this threat, they should learn about islam from its core & counter back with threats back at them. They should learn from other muslim countries that are already doing this.
Some simple suggestions:
1. Hindu as the official religion.
2. Indian natives (Indians that are hindus, christians & jews) have priority over the rest, with work, economically etc.
3. Do not permit muslims to convert anyone into islam unless its their children.
4. Muslims cant marry any non-muslim unless they convert out of Islam.
5. New mosques cannot be built, older mosques that require repairs are shall cease any repairs.
6. Muslims cannot play their azan & must practice their faith secretly.
7. Muslims cannot hold any govermental or military jobs/posts.
8. Muslims that wishes to go to Hajj requires a license. Govt will control this.
9. If theres a dispute between a muslim & a non muslim, the civil court will have precedence.
10. All qurans that contain verses that insult other religions or people should be banned.
11. If theres any attack in india from a muslim, the Hajj privileges will be canceled for the following year.
With these recommendations, Im very sure no one else will be killed.
Time for the government to act for the interest of the people.
"Pakistan's defence minister immediately said his country had played no role in the attacks."
Denying terrorist attacks is just a Muslim protocal....almost as common as boasting about them...
Islam is involved in both activities..
Hello,
Please don't accuse pakistan for our own chickening. Yes admit it, we Indians are dead scared of the Muslims. It is convinient for India to accuse Pakistan. This atrocities will keep on mounting until we stop blaming Pakistan and take matters into our own hand. For Cricket obssesed Indians remember the USA's reaction after 9/11???? But I know we as a whole are chicken shit of MUSLIMS and that is the fact. even dirt poor Bangladesh can make us pee in our pants that is the reality today.
We deserve all this for our weakness in our heart. Am very ashamed that our civilization is going to be remembered as of cowards after its soon demise. Victory will belong to the MUSLIMS I am afraid.
Hi
tjwork's suggestions are the ones which may cause multiple attacks like these. Lolx. Use your brain mister!
Yasir Bin Riaz.
I have seen a hindu temple being by muslim authorities.
They implement a subset of these rules, to non-muslims.
But perhaps you are saying that your prophet and the khalifas after him didnt use their brains as well? as they were the architects of these rules against non muslims.
I SAY, IMPLEMENT THESE RULES & FORCE MUSLIM EXTREMIST TO SUBMIT TO PEACE BY NON-MUSLIM TERMS.
Yes, I have brains to fight back.
When would they ever accept. First thing they do is deny. They won't even make sure if the attack might be possibly from their country. Now that it is clearly established that this group is from Pakistan. What are they going to do? I presume nothing. I don't want our country launch a war against Pakistan which will make the terrorists more powerful. But i want them captured by Pakistan government if they don't have balls let other counties like US, India to capture them. It is a serious issue. These guys are on a mission to exterminate all non-muslims.
The following group is identified as responsible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zFqlYNtQY4
I keep hearing this accusation "Muslims are being marginalized in India". Oh really.. Last India's president was a muslim. India had a muslim cricket captain for 10 years even though he was barred from playing cricket for selling out his country by accepting money. Muslim hockey captain for so many years. You guys don't like peace. It is all about violence. I know good muslims. But they are only handful.