No reason to get excited
After all, these Mumbai attacks are not that big a deal, right? Don't "overreact."
"Pakistan president warns India not to over-react," from AFP, November 29 (thanks to James):
Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari on Saturday warned India against any "over-reaction" after the militant attacks in Mumbai and vowed the "strictest" action if Pakistani involvement was proved."Whoever is responsible for the brutal and crude act against the Indian people and India are looking for reaction," Zardari said in an interview with Indian CNN-IBN television.
"We have to rise above them and make sure ourselves, yourself and world community guard against over-reaction," he said according to an interview transcript issued by the Press Trust of India.
The Indian government has blamed "elements in Pakistan" for the attack by Islamist militants against multiple targets in Mumbai that left nearly 200 people dead.
Zardari promised that he would take immediate and strong measures if proof was provided of Pakistani involvement.
"Let me assure you that if any evidence points to any individual or any group in this part of the world, I shall take the strictest of action in the light of this evidence and in front of the world," he said....
We'll see. We've heard that kind of thing before.
I think that it is prudent for countries with nuclear weapons not to over react.
Last thing we need is for an overreaction in the region that may touch off a global nuclear crisis.
The thing that concerns me is whether or not the pakistani government will follow through on cooperating in the investigation fully.
the pak cannot control their border with afganistan where the taliban and their cohorts go after Nato troups in Afganistan, and the Pak has no control over islamists training camps within the pak which went over to India, ie Kasmir, and Bombay. is the Pak really a country or merely your failed expierment with pure islam.
"Whoever is responsible for the brutal and crude act against the Indian people and India are looking for reaction," Zardari said
Whatcha mean Zardari ? You calling jihad "brutal and crude" !
As long as the world is addressing the issue of terrorism in terms of "who" is responsible instead of "what" is responsible, we'll be powerless.
Non-muslims are guilty of that misjudgement due to fear and ignorance. Muslims are simply disingenuous.
Whether the attackers are Pakistanis, Indians or British is irrelevant to solving the problem.
The Pakistani government as well as all islamic governments around the world are responsible for the Mumbai attack, whether involved directly or indirectly simply because they aren't doing anything to repudiate the islamic doctrine.
To all,
I would like to have your input as to how do you figure this whole ordeal will end. I admit to having difficulty to envisioning how it will all unfold in this struggle between muslims and non-muslims.
No reason to get exited, the thief he kindly spoke...
The backlash, that dreaded backlash that never came. Even after 12.300 Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11, we haven't taken any action.
The Muslims know they have it coming. But what does it take for us to finally get off our asses and do whatever it takes...?
I wrote a song about that dreaded BACKLASH a while ago, unfortunately I never recorded it. Perhaps I should...
I would like to have your input as to how do you figure this whole ordeal will end.
I suggest you read up on how Constantinople ended and then you'll get some idea.
Only, now there are now wall to buy us time, indeed, just the opposite. The great achievement of democracy will slowly turn into a curse. Look at some English local elections if you have any doubts.
Memo to Zardari: STFU, and do what you do best - marry again and start doing to your wife what you did to Benazir during her first term in office - have her womb operating at full utilization.
This TypePad thing is really getting annoying, given how long it's been. Has anyone @ JW been talking to Sixapart re: this? Nothing seems to work - I had to login 6 times, and close my browser a few times before it worked.
Pakistan is now actually threatening the West over the Indian allegations!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/
Says it will pull out from its "efforts" against the war on terror and will concentrate on fighting the Indians instead.
Perhaps now Pakistan can get to use all the F16s and the billions of dollars of military hardware given to it by the US for free.
Only a warped mind can make sense of making Pakistan an ally, eh uncle Sam!
The Pakistani ambassador to Britain said on a live al-BBC interview that these terrorists "didn't look Pakistani, they were too dark to be Pakistanis, perhaps they were Tamils..."
He actually said that!
And the al-BBC interviewer who, I think is from Somalia herself and dark as your hat sat there nodding her head like a dog in a car window.
Perhaps Pakistan can get to use the nuclear bomb that they managed developed with more than a nudge and a wink from uncle Sam.
As long as Americans can have a nice sleep, who gives a toss about a few muddy coloured Indians, eh!
Perhaps Pakistan can get to use the nuclear bomb that they managed developed with more than a nudge and a wink from uncle Sam.
Still, as long as Americans can have a nice sleep, who gives a toss about a few muddy coloured Indians, eh!
Hermit the best thing pakistan could do for us is move there troops off of the afghghan border this way we can attack al quada and the taliban in the pakky west region.
Only a warped mind can make sense of making Pakistan an ally, eh uncle Sam!
Posted by: Hermit at November 30, 2008 6:36 AM
What can POTUS/Saudi-puppet, do but empower terrorists?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52962
I am part way through Fareed Zakaria's "The Post American World." Early on Zakaria posits an innocuous view of Islam as any kind of global threat.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/29/india.hotel/index.html
CNN
Watch the full interview with Ratan Tata on "Fareed Zakaria GPS" at 1 p.m. ET Sunday on CNN.
The Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai, India, temporarily increased security after being warned of a possible terrorist attack, the chairman of the company that owns the hotel said Saturday.
Tata Group Chairman Ratan Tata, whose company owns the Taj hotel, discusses this week's attacks in Mumbai.
But Tata Group Chairman Ratan Tata said those measures, which were eased shortly before this week's terror attacks, could not have prevented gunmen from entering the hotel.
"If I look at what we had ... it could not have stopped what took place," Tata said in an interview with CNN's Fareed Zakaria that will air Sunday.
One book reviewer on Amazon wrote:
The Post-American Zakaria, August 26, 2008
By Lawrence K. Helm
A lot of what he has written is interesting and useful, but I have two areas of disagreement:
The first is the nature of the Islamist Threat. Zakaria seems still to be living in the world of Edward Said and John Esposito. Esposito wrote The Islamic Threat, Myth or Reality? Esposito argued that the threat was largely a myth. He was the expert on the Middle East most invited to the White House until 9/11. After that, he was replaced by Bernard Lewis. The Esposito view was considered discredited in the White House, but it hasn't been discredited in Europe and elsewhere. Modern exemplars are Olivier Roy and Gilles Kepel. They acknowledge a certain sort of threat coming from alienated over-educated young men, but they don't consider the threat much wider than that.....
"Perhaps Pakistan can get to use the nuclear bomb that they managed developed with more than a nudge and a wink from uncle Sam.
As long as Americans can have a nice sleep, who gives a toss about a few muddy coloured Indians, eh!
Posted by: Hermit"
India has Nukes also...an Attack by Pakistan will surely result in a Counterattack..Perhaps the Indians will sleep a little better too...btw here is a little on Pakistani nuclear weapons...you may be surprised to learn it was no America who helped Pakistan get Nuclear arms:
'Pakistan Nuclear Weapons
A Brief History of Pakistan's Nuclear Program
Pakistan's nuclear weapons program was established in 1972 by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who founded the program while he was Minister for Fuel, Power and Natural Resources, and later became President and Prime Minister. Shortly after the loss of East Pakistan in the 1971 war with India, Bhutto initiated the program with a meeting of physicists and engineers at Multan in January 1972.
India's 1974 testing of a nuclear "device" gave Pakistan's nuclear program new momentum. Through the late 1970s, Pakistan's program acquired sensitive uranium enrichment technology and expertise. The 1975 arrival of Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan considerably advanced these efforts. Dr. Khan is a German-trained metallurgist who brought with him knowledge of gas centrifuge technologies that he had acquired through his position at the classified URENCO uranium enrichment plant in the Netherlands. Dr. Khan also reportedly brought with him stolen uranium enrichment technologies from Europe. He was put in charge of building, equipping and operating Pakistan's Kahuta facility, which was established in 1976. Under Khan's direction, Pakistan employed an extensive clandestine network in order to obtain the necessary materials and technology for its developing uranium enrichment capabilities.
In 1985, Pakistan crossed the threshold of weapons-grade uranium production, and by 1986 it is thought to have produced enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon. Pakistan continued advancing its uranium enrichment program, and according to Pakistani sources, the nation acquired the ability to carry out a nuclear explosion in 1987.
Pakistan Nuclear Weapons - A Chronology
Nuclear Tests
On May 28, 1998 Pakistan announced that it had successfully conducted five nuclear tests. The Pakistani Atomic Energy Commission reported that the five nuclear tests conducted on May 28 generated a seismic signal of 5.0 on the Richter scale, with a total yield of up to 40 KT (equivalent TNT). Dr. A.Q. Khan claimed that one device was a boosted fission device and that the other four were sub-kiloton nuclear devices.
On May 30, 1998 Pakistan tested one more nuclear warhead with a reported yield of 12 kilotons. The tests were conducted at Balochistan, bringing the total number of claimed tests to six. It has also been claimed by Pakistani sources that at least one additional device, initially planned for detonation on 30 May 1998, remained emplaced underground ready for detonation.
Pakistani claims concerning the number and yields of their underground tests cannot be independently confirmed by seismic means, and several sources, such as the Southern Arizona Seismic Observatory have reported lower yields than those claimed by Pakistan. Indian sources have also suggested that as few as two weapons were actually detonated, each with yields considerably lower than claimed by Pakistan. However, seismic data showed at least two and possibly a third, much smaller, test in the initial round of tests at the Ras Koh range. The single test on 30 May provided a clear seismic signal.
DEVICE DATE YIELD
[announced] YIELD
[estimated]
[boosted device?] 28 May 1998 25-36 kiloton total 9-12 kiloton
Fission device 28 May 1998 12 kiloton
Low-yield device 28 May 1998 sub-kiloton --
Low-yield device 28 May 1998 sub-kiloton --
Low-yield device 28 May 1998 sub-kiloton --
Fission device 30 May 1998 12 kiloton 4-6 kiloton
Fission device not detonated 12 kiloton --
This table lists the nuclear tests that Pakistan claims to have carried out in May 1998 as well as the announced yields. Other sources have reported lower yields than those claimed by Pakistan. The Southern Arizona Seismic Observatory reports that the total seismic yield for the May 28th tests was 9-12 kilotons and that the yield for the May 30th tests was 4-6 kilotons.
According to a preliminary analysis conducted at Los Alamos National Laboratory, material released into the atmosphere during an underground nuclear test by Pakistan in May 1998 contained low levels of weapons-grade plutonium. The significance of the Los Alamos finding was that Pakistan had either imported or produced plutonium undetected by the US intelligence community. But Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and other agencies later contested the accuracy of this finding.
These tests came slightly more than two weeks after India carried out five nuclear tests of its own on May 11 and 13 and after many warnings by Pakistani officials that they would respond to India.
Pakistan's nuclear tests were followed by the February 1999 Lahore Agreements between Prime Ministers Vajpayee and Sharif. The agreements included confidence building measures such as advance notice of ballistic missile testing and a continuation of their unilateral moratoria on nuclear testing. But diplomatic advances made that year were undermined by Pakistan's incursion into Kargil. Under US diplomatic pressure, Prime Minister Sharif withdrew his troops, but lost power in October 1999 due to a military coup in which Gen. Pervez Musharraf took over.
Satellite Imagery of Pakistan's May 28 and May 30 nuclear testing sites
Nuclear Infrastructure
Pakistan's nuclear program is based primarily on highly enriched uranium (HEU), which is produced at the A. Q. Khan research laboratory at Kahuta, a gas centrifuge uranium enrichment facility. The Kahuta facility has been in operation since the early 1980s. By the early 1990s, Kahuta had an estimated 3,000 centrifuges in operation, and Pakistan continued its pursuit of expanded uranium enrichment capabilities.
In the 1990s Pakistan began to pursue plutonium production capabilities. With Chinese assistance, Pakistan built the 40 MWt (megawatt thermal) Khusab research reactor at Joharabad, and in April 1998, Pakistan announced that the reactor was operational. According to public statements made by US officials, this unsafeguarded heavy water reactor generates an estimated 8-10 kilotons of weapons grade plutonium per year, which is enough for one to two nuclear weapons. The reactor could also produce tritium if it were loaded with lithium-6. According to J. Cirincione of Carnegie, Khusab's plutonium production capacity could allow Pakistan to develop lighter nuclear warheads that would be easier to deliver with a ballistic missile.
Plutonium separation reportedly takes place at the New Labs reprocessing plant next to Pakistan's Institute of Nuclear Science and Technology (Pinstech) in Rawalpindi and at the larger Chasma nuclear power plant, neither of which are subject to IAEA inspection.
Nuclear Arsenal
The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) estimates that Pakistan has built 24-48 HEU-based nuclear warheads, and Carnegie reports that they have produced 585-800 kg of HEU, enough for 30-55 weapons. Pakistan's nuclear warheads are based on an implosion design that uses a solid core of highly enriched uranium and requires an estimated 15-20 kg of material per warhead. According to Carnegie, Pakistan has also produced a small but unknown quantity of weapons grade plutonium, which is sufficient for an estimated 3-5 nuclear weapons.
Pakistani authorities claim that their nuclear weapons are not assembled. They maintain that the fissile cores are stored separately from the non-nuclear explosives packages, and that the warheads are stored separately from the delivery systems. In a 2001 report, the Defense Department contends that "Islamabad's nuclear weapons are probably stored in component form" and that "Pakistan probably could assemble the weapons fairly quickly." However, no one has been able to ascertain the validity of Pakistan's assurances about their nuclear weapons security.
Pakistan's reliance primarily on HEU makes its fissile materials particularly vulnerable to diversion. HEU can be used in a relatively simple gun-barrel-type design, which could be within the means of non-state actors that intend to assemble a crude nuclear weapon.
The terrorist attacks on September 11th raised concerns about the security of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. According to press reports, within two days of the attacks, Pakistan's military began relocating nuclear weapons components to six new secret locations. Shortly thereafter, Gen. Pervez Musharraf fired his intelligence chief and other officers and detained several suspected retired nuclear weapons scientists, in an attempt to root out extremist elements that posed a potential threat to Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.
Concerns have also been raised about Pakistan as a proliferant of nuclear materials and expertise. In November, 2002, shortly after North Korea admitted to pursuing a nuclear weapons program, the press reported allegations that Pakistan had provided assistance in the development of its uranium enrichment program in exchange for North Korean missile technologies.
Foreign Assistance
In the past, China played a major role in the development of Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure, especially when increasingly stringent export controls in western countries made it difficult for Pakistan to acquire materials and technology elsewhere. According to a 2001 Department of Defense report, China has supplied Pakistan with nuclear materials and expertise and has provided critical assistance in the construction of Pakistan's nuclear facilities.
In the 1990s, China designed and supplied the heavy water Khusab reactor, which plays a key role in Pakistan's production of plutonium. A subsidiary of the China National Nuclear Corporation also contributed to Pakistan's efforts to expand its uranium enrichment capabilities by providing 5,000 custom made ring magnets, which are a key component of the bearings that facilitate the high-speed rotation of centrifuges.
According to Anthony Cordesman of CSIS, China is also reported to have provided Pakistan with the design of one of its warheads, which is relatively sophisticated in design and lighter than U.S. and Soviet designed first generation warheads.
China also provided technical and material support in the completion of the Chasma nuclear power reactor and plutonium reprocessing facility, which was built in the mid 1990s. The project had been initiated as a cooperative program with France, but Pakistan's failure to sign the NPT and unwillingness to accept IAEA safeguards on its entire nuclear program caused France to terminate assistance.
According to the Defense Department report cited above, Pakistan has also acquired nuclear related and dual-use and equipment and materials from the Former Soviet Union and Western Europe.
Intermittent US Sanctions
On several occasions, under the authority of amendments to the Foreign Assistance Act, the U.S. has imposed sanctions on Pakistan, cutting off economic and military aid as a result of its pursuit of nuclear weapons. However, the U.S. suspended sanctions each time developments in Afghanistan made Pakistan a strategically important "frontline state," such as the 1981 Soviet occupation and in the war on terrorism.
Pakistan's Nuclear Doctrine
Several sources, such as Jane's Intelligence Review and Defense Department reports maintain that Pakistan's motive for pursuing a nuclear weapons program is to counter the threat posed by its principal rival, India, which has superior conventional forces and nuclear weapons.
Pakistan has not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) or the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT). According to the Defense Department report cited above, "Pakistan remains steadfast in its refusal to sign the NPT, stating that it would do so only after India joined the Treaty. Consequently, not all of Pakistan's nuclear facilities are under IAEA safeguards. Pakistani officials have stated that signature of the CTBT is in Pakistan's best interest, but that Pakistan will do so only after developing a domestic consensus on the issue, and have disavowed any connection with India's decision."
Pakistan does not abide by a no-first-use doctrine, as evidenced by President Pervez Musharraf's statements in May, 2002. Musharraf said that Pakistan did not want a conflict with India but that if it came to war between the nuclear-armed rivals, he would "respond with full might." These statements were interpreted to mean that if pressed by an overwhelming conventional attack from India, which has superior conventional forces, Pakistan might use its nuclear weapons.
Sources and Resources
UN Nuclear Chief Warns of Global Black Market Mohammed ElBaradei commenting on questions raised by the Khan confession, February 6, 2004.
Abdul Qadeer Khan "Apologizes" for Transferring Nuclear Secrets Abroad, broadcast on Pakistani television, February 4, 2004.
Documents Indicate A.Q. Khan Offered Nuclear Weapon Designs to Iraq in 1990: Did He Approach Other Countries? By David Albright and Corey Hinderstein, February 4, 2004
Deadly Arsenals, chapter on Paksitan - by Joseph Cirincione, John B.Wolfsthal and Miriam Rajkumar (Carnegie, June 2002). The chapter discusses Pakistan's WMD, missile and aircraft capabilities. It also presents the strategic context of the nuclear arms race between India and Pakistan and the history of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, touching on foreign assistance from China and on-and-off US economic assistance.
Proliferation: Threat and Response, Jan. 2001 - A Defense Department report on the status of nuclear proliferation in South Asia. It includes a brief historical background on the conflict between India and Pakistan as well as an assessment of their nuclear capabilities, chem/bio programs, ballistic missile programs and other means of delivery.
ENHANCING NUCLEAR SECURITY IN THE COUNTER-TERRORISM STRUGGLE: India and Pakistan as a New Region for Cooperation - by Rose Gottemoeller, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, August 2002. This working paper explores possible cooperative programs that could enhance the security of Pakistan and India's nuclear arsenals, in order to prevent the diversion of dangerous materials into the hands of terrorists or rogue state leaders.
"Pakistan's Nuclear Forces, 2001" from NRDC Nuclear Notebook, Bulletin of Atomic Scientists Jan/Feb 2002. A Two-page update on the state of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. It makes rough estimates of the number of nuclear weapons and the amount of fissile material in Pakistan's possession and touches on fissile material production capabilities. Also included is a brief discussion of delivery mechanisms such as aircraft and missiles.
Monterey Institute Resource Page on India and Pakistan - last updated July 7, 2000. This page has many useful links to relevant maps, news articles and analytical pieces on India and Pakistan's nuclear programs.
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace - Pakistan resources
Pakistan Nuclear Weapons - A Chronology - a timeline of the Pakistan's Nuclear Development program since 1965.
"The Threat of Pakistani Nuclear Weapons" - a CSIS report by Anthony H. Cordesman (Last updated Nov. 2001). - This report tells the history of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program and discusses China role in its development. It also lists recent US intelligence reports on Pakistan's activities.
From Testing to Deploying Nuclear Forces: The Hard Choices Facing India and Pakistan - Gregory S. Jones. (Rand, 2000). "This issue paper describes the requirements for a nuclear deterrent force in general terms, discusses how the Indian-Pakistani nuclear relationship is affected by China, and then considers the specific decisions that still must be made in India and Pakistan."
Pakistan Nuclear Update, 2001 - Wisconsin Project. This three-page document provides a brief summary of Pakistan's main nuclear sites and an update on developments in Pakistan's nuclear program.
Securing Pakistan's Nuclear Arsenal: Principles for Assistance - by David Albright, Kevin O'Neill and Corey Hinderstein, Oct. 4, 2001. An ISIS issue brief on the potential threats to the security of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.
The May 1998 India and Pakistan Nuclear Tests - by Terry C. Wallace, Southern Arizona Seismic Observatory (SASO), 1998. This technical paper provides a seismic analysis of India and Pakistan's 1998 nuclear tests. It concludes that Pakistan's May 28 tests had a seismic yield of 9-12 kt, and the May 30 test had a yield of 4-6 kt. An updated web page on this report can be found here
Satellite Imagery of Pakistan's May 28 and May 30 nuclear testing sites, hosted on the Center for Monitoring Research Commercial Satellite Imagery Page
"Pakistan's Nuclear Dilemma" - September 23 2001, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Transcripts from a Carnegie panel on developments in Pakistan in the aftermath of the Septempber 11th attacks. The panel included three speakers -- Shirin Tahir-Kheli, George Perkovich and Rose Gottemoeller-- and was moderated by Joseph Cirincione.
Chapter on Pakistan, from Tracking Nuclear Proliferation: A Guide in Maps and Charts, 1998 by Rodney W. Jones, Mark G. McDonough, with Toby F. Dalton and Gregory D. Koblentz (Washington, DC: Carnegie Endowment, July 1998). This chapter documents the history of Pakistan's nuclear program and tracks the development of its nuclear infrastructure. It also covers in detail the sanctions the US imposed on Pakistan in light of these developments, as well Pakistan's missile program.
"U.S. Appears to be Losing Track of Pakistan's Nuclear Program" and "U.S. Now Believes Pakistan to use Khushab Plutonium in Bomb Program" By Mark Hibbs July, 1998. Two brief articles written in the aftermath of Paksistan's 1998 nuclear tests -- they discuss Pakistan's weapons grade uranium and plutonium production capacities and the implications for its nuclear arsenal.
"U.S. Labs at Odds on Whether Pakistani Blast Used Plutonium," by Dana Priest Washington Post Sunday, January 17, 1999; Page A02. This article discusses the controversy over the preliminary analysis carried out by Los Alamos National Laboratory, which found that plutonium traces had been released into the atomosphere during Pakistan's May 30th underground nuclear test. Scientists at Lawrence Livermore National Labs contested the accuracy of this finding and alleged that Los Alamos had contaminated and then lost the air sample. At the time, Los Alamos' findings were highly controversial because they implied that Pakistan had obtained plutonium either though imports or indigenous production, and there was uncertainty about Pakistan's plutonium production capabilities. It is now public knowledge that Pakistan can produce and isolate plutonium at its Khusbab reactor and at the New Labs and Chasma separation facilities."
SO, now you know it was China who assisted with the Nuclear arms in Pakistan, Not America...
....maybe the Chinese are sleeping better....isn't that right Hermit?...
"Zardari promised that he would take immediate and strong measures if proof was provided of Pakistani involvement."
after 911 Muslims universally demanded proof that Muslims were the attackers....
throughout the years as Muslims attacks increase in number and the level of intensity, it becomes more clear that Muslims are the attackers, and they always quote verses from the Qu'ran,,,while pulling the trigger on their weapons and shouting "Allaaaaaaaahhhhh Akkkkbarrrrrr" at the same time...
just connect the dots...
Anybody can cut and paste, pulsar182.
Here's my effort, not as good as your's, I admit, but much more to the point:
"Now, while it can be understood that the Pakistan Army was willing to do anything to develop the bomb, it's surprising how much (they knew everything) the American govt. knew all along, and actively helped Pakistan along it's nuclear path. Considering the importance of nuclear non-proliferation in American politics, it's amazing how US President after President lied to Congress, to save Pakistan from being cut off from American aid, while knowing full well that American money and arms were being diverted to the nuclear programme. Even after the Soviets were pushed out of Afghanistan, and the American's no longer needed Pakistan, the Republican party happily covered up Pakistan's nuclear activities, as they didn't want the US to be distracted from it's upcoming war on Iraq. Anyways, the demons of the the Republican party are their own..."
From: Deception: Pakistan, the United States, and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons
Available here; http://www.amazon.com/Deception-Pakistan-United-Nuclear-Weapons/dp/0802715540
Hermit...That book quoted above sounds a little...left leaning.
That does not mean it's illegitimate, but it does mean it's agenda driven.
The negative references to Republicans in the quote, are extra to any solid information that may be there, and make this a political propaganda book...I don't think I would look there for objective facts...
If I were the Mohammadan attack planner I would wait four or five days and hit them again with a similar attack. A right cross, and a left hook.
India should not let their guard down...
Perhaps President-elect Obama will cut aid to Pakistan...............sorry, still dreaming.........time to wake up and smell the coffee.
tanstafl l dont think we need to bomb the pak so much as their own countrymen are will to do the same, perhaps the nukes will implode within the pak.
The clear perception whether wholly true or not is that Pakistan is failing to act to crush the enclaves of terrorist camps and organizations throughout the country let alone the rugged mountainous areas of the Northwest frontier. They complain when the American military makes incursions into this territory and when we use predator UAVs' to attack identified Al Qaida operatives. Or do they say that to not rattle the Pakistani sympathies of the Islamists that are so prevalent among the 140 million ( possibly over 170 million)Pakistanis in the country?
The country is riddled with tribal factions especially in the Northwest Territories. Why can't Pakistan protect the Khyber Pass that speaks to a dangerous area of barely 25 miles, but instead the Pakistani Government lets an Islamic tribe manage the pass while only posting guards at its ends, but a better fact is that necessary supplies for the military are actually destroyed or stolen before they even reach the pass. Why can't the Pakistanis' make peace in the area of Kashmir where hundreds of thousands have died in attacks over the years? Why do we hear about the hundreds of camps in Pakistan that our training Islamists' for attacks that occur all over the world from the Philippines to Britain?Yes we have found numerous Pakistanis trained in these camps setting up attacks in the US as well and yet we try to think of them as an ally on terrorism; whose terrorism?
Yes we are trying to maintain a relationship through it all simply because this country has nuclear weapons of which its technology has already found its way into Iran thanks to A Q Khan.Is there a demographic role as Pakistan is on the southeastern border of Afghanistan and India is on the other side of Pakistan?
This area has been and continues to be a powder keg of unstableness for decades with its tribal feuds and only a 61 year history as the country of Pakistan.
An introduction to the career of A.Q. Khan and Pakistan's nuclear program.
("chor" in most north Indian languages means "thief")
Pulsar, I can't believe that you would lower yourself to read that Zakaria propaganda. His thesis is beyond absurd. It's insane. He claims that the 3rd World has and will continue to thrive all on its own, independently of free-world jizya which has not happened and never, ever will until complete and total de-Islamization takes place. It's true that birth rates are lower, largely due to female genital mutilation, whose pervasiveness has spread to places like India and Indonesia, which only causes significantly higher infant mortality. Sanitation is better and life expectancy is higher, but that is 100% due to infidel aid, both financial and in terms of manpower. All 3rd-world nations, btw, with the exceptions of Rwanda and Nepal - which are screwed because they are infidel isolates surrounded by Muslim nations - and Guatemala, are MUSLIM nations. Zakaria completely ignores all of history, all the infidel aid, and the fact that no Muslim nation has been or ever could be self-sustaining - not even those which are insanely rich because of oil, which can't be pumped without infidel technology and manpower - the fact that these nations are simply not doing better on their own but because of the presence of infidels and infidel-built infrastructure like hospitals, and infidel technology like Israeli earthquake detectors, water sanitation systems, and agricultural methods which work in Islam-destroyed land. Iraq has more than disproven his thesis. We tried so hard to get the Iraqis to manage themselves but so far they have yet to erect a single building on their own. We can buy them a bike and give them training wheels, but as soon as we leave they will fall over. And of course, he never mentions the big, pink elephant in the room, the entire reason for all of this poverty and backwardness, the common thread in all of these hellhole nations which, despite his claims, are still uninhabitable hellholes. Don't read that crap and don't give your money to Mohammedan agents who have infiltrated our media. There is a post-American world. There always has been. It's called the Free World, and it's shrinking, not growing, and the pre-American, 10,000 BC world is growing.
Has anyone seen that interview he did with Ayaan Hirsi Ali wherein he tried to discount every single point she has ever made and failed horribly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BAHZsCOTv0
He actually has the nerve to claim that MODERATION is now pervasive in Muslim countries and that only 4% of Pakis support "radical" parties. There are no "moderate" parties in Pakistan. There is not even a party that is not hell-bent on Pandit genocide, or which does not favor Sharia, or which even repudiates slavery.
Sheik, thanks for the Jimi Hendrix reference.
I think that it is prudent for countries with nuclear weapons not to over react.
Last thing we need is for an overreaction in the region that may touch off a global nuclear crisis.
The thing that concerns me is whether or not the pakistani government will follow through on cooperating in the investigation fully.
Posted by: islamfactor.org at November 30, 2008 3:30 AM
--
Guys, this is Taquiyya Total.
They always call on others not to "overreact" after moslems have committed their latest atrocity.
Maybe we don't react strongly enough.
One look at his website http://islamfactor.org/ reveals that I am complete right.
The admin's name: Nov 24 2008, 07:17 PM
In: Protected Forum
By: Salah ad din
Yep, Saladdin. We all know hat was one of the most brutal moslem invaders in history.
These names don't come out of a vacuum.
They always try to steal Jesus as a prophet.
How many moslems do you know that are names Jesus?
So much for that.
Oh, there is OF COURSE only ONE for of "conversion". They call it "reversion" I call it PERVERSION:
QUOTE: Voice of the Reverts
You converted to Islam? This forum is dedicated to hearing your stories and discussing all of your issues! 23 584 Yesterday, 04:03 AM
In: Reverts, How Do You Deal With ...
By: Jim
That's their version of "interfaith dialogue".
We need it like we need a hole in the head.
Oh and here is what they REALLY think of Hinuism and Sikhism: [am I surprised?]
QUOTE:Other Religions and Philosophy
A place to debate and discuss aspects of religions other than the Ibrahimic (Abrahamic) faiths of Judaism, Christianity and Islam as well as philosophical discussions.
Subforums: Sikhism, Hinduism, Paganism
Forum Led by: R&P Moderator
I'm sure our Sikh and Hindu friends will appreciate the gesture.
Gah! I did it again. My last post was directed at Wild Jew, not Pulsar. Duh.
The Mumbai attacks have all the fingerprints of Pakistan all over it bigtime.
Bigcatgirl, that's what I think. Everyone knows it. Question is what will they - we - do?
Fareed Zakaria is a Mohammedan, and has a motive for wanting us all to be Islamized. His father, Rafiq Zakaria, was a politician in India's Congress Party and a former head of the All India Khilafat (i.e. Caliphate) Movement, which was founded in 1919 to demand the restoration of the Ottoman Sultan as Caliph, and remained as a political organization for Indian Mohammedans, long after WWI and even long after the creation of Pakistan. So don't assume that he's on our side just because he was/is an editor of Newsweek.
Don't read him. Particularly on matters relating to Islamic issues.
And Wikipedia's covering his ass. I hate that he's infiltrated our media. I hate that Jon Stewart loves him and that therefore young useless idiots put a lot of credence in what he says, when in reality it's just a disinformation campaign based on fairy tales.
we need to start using the word TRAITOR instead of "revert/convert"
I never liked Zardari who comes from a ghstly class of land owning unspeakables unique to the subcontinent but I must admit he impressed me as a statesman over the last few months.
He is one of the few Muslim leaders who openly, robustly and repeatedly condemns islamist terrorists. He has launched a massive military assault againsts them in the NWFP in which he is losing more men than US and Britain combined.
He is trying to work with India on terrorism and other matters. So will we give the man chance at here JW?
Fat chance!