And that's good, because the public discourse about Islamic jihad, Islamic supremacism, and the stealth jihad to spread Sharia in the West could greatly benefit from a little sanity.
SANE is the Society of Americans for National Existence, a site devoted to resisting the encroachment of Sharia in the West. You can find their website here.
Robert, Thanks for the link.
... public discourse about Islamic jihad, Islamic supremacism, and the stealth jihad to spread Sharia in the West could greatly benefit from a little sanity.
What public discourse on Jihad?
I don't think Islam was mentioned once in connection the Presidential contest just ended, a sad commentary on the progress not made over the last 7 years, except maybe for a weepy victimist Op-Ed published in the Minneapolis newspaper a few days ago.
610 * 623 * 632 * 1066 * 1215 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001
Also, how can there be a discourse about Islam without Jihad, or Jihad without Islam. I know the latter is attempted all the time by the media, but they don't call it Jihad, they call it insurgency.
... public discourse about Islamic jihad, Islamic supremacism, and the stealth jihad to spread Sharia in the West could greatly benefit from a little sanity.
What public discourse on Jihad?
Really. In fact, it's the one subject everybody avoids. I even have a "DEFEAT JIHAD" bumper sticker on my vehicle and it rarely, rarely, gets a comment.
"I even have a "DEFEAT JIHAD" bumper sticker on my vehicle and it rarely, rarely, gets a comment."
Posted by: darcy
Darcy,
My stickers never got any attention, either. My tats, on the other hand do. Solution: Tatoo on my left wrist, "Defeat Jihad!" (Hey, everyone likes the Claddaugh on my right wrist...)
Posted by: 33:21 at November 12, 2008 9:32 AM
APF?
While I applaud the counter-Sharia effort I am yet mildly optimistic, based on my understanding of human nature. I find it hard to believe that significant numbers of people would want such a repressive system to be imposed. In modern times, as opposed to early Islam, Islam has nothing to offer. The taxes and plunder days are gone, so now we see more emphasis on Sharia, the afterlife and all the other less tangible, less beneficial, masochistic, more reprehensible and inhumane aspects of the faith.
It's the pirate's life for me, yo ho.
Just discovered SANE by accident! Powerful approach! Bookmarks, here I come! Am I relieved to know that Robert and Hugh aren't the only ones who see through the Muslim disguise.
Darcy!
Any hint on where I might get a "DEFEAT JIHAD" bumper sticker?
APF?
He was incarcerated for involvement in a sordid affair that took place some time ago. Last I heard he was seen in a trench coat peddling chitlins and pork wine to Somalis on the sidewalks of Cedar Avenue.
At least the poor dude finally got his haram, if I'm spelling the word correctly.
angryamerican - I got 'em right here on JW:
http://www.heavystix.com/main.sc;jsessionid=CE0F1168C7C9F2E1B701605E7A814768.qscstrfrnt01?sourceCode=Jihad_Watch
Do you really want to link to this site? Their mission statement here http://www.saneworks.us/mission.php makes no mention of Islam or sharia. There they state "So at its core, SANE is dedicated to the rejection of democracy and party rule and a return to a constitutional republic" and
"SANE’s Mission includes the dismantling of much of the liberal enterprise, including:
Ö A rejection of the Open Society agenda and Multiculturalism that so dominates and permeates our society.
Ö A rejection of the view that Science dictates Certainty in man’s affairs and that Man’s Being is reduced to scientific thinking on matters of life and death, purpose, and values.
Ö A rejection of the culture of death that has resulted in a society more committed to permitting and providing for abortion than in preserving the life of the unborn and the living."
These are their principal aims. A rejection of democracy? A rejection of the open society?
Of course, opposing sharia will be part of this. But people are defined by what they are FOR, not what they are against. They equate open society and multiculturalism (do they reject Karl Popper?), misunderstand science (when has science claimed to give meaning to our existence?), and use emotive expressions such as "culture of death."
So democracy is too liberal for these people?
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
kgordon
Do you know the difference between a democracy and a republic? The two are often used as synonyms, but they are not. Do you know that the United States was conceived as a republic, not a democracy?
There is a perfectly reasonable case to be made that when the federal government contradicts and ignores Constitutional provisions with impunity, and makes the Constitution say whatever it wants it to say, that there are no longer any constraints to protect the rights of citizens as enumerated in the Bill of Rights: the freedom of speech, non-establishment of religion, freedom of religion, etc. So some argue that a return to adherence to the structures of government as designed -- as a Constitutional republic -- would protect our rights from encroaching tyranny.
There is, in other words, nothing wrong with the statement at SANE, although, as has been abundantly illustrated over the last few days, when people have decided that you are wrong and evil, it doesn't matter what you say -- they will see in it what they want, no matter how far they must depart from the actual facts of the case to do so. In this, of course, I am not referring to you.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
kgordon....
America was established as a republic, under which the state is restricted to protecting our rights. This is not a system of "democracy." Thus, you are free to criticize your neighbors, your society, your government - no matter how many people wish to pass a law censoring you. You are free to own your property - no matter how large a mob wants to take it from you. The rights of the individual are inalienable. If "popular will" were the standard, the individual would have no rights - only temporary privileges, granted or withdrawn according to the mass mood of the moment. Essentially "democracy" is mob rule.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill