UK: Muslim man strangles, stabs, and slits throat of "petite" 19 year-old Catholic girl

Well I am at a loss for words. What can I say. A tragedy. Well consider me a Islamophobe. Mohammedans are crazy sick pathetic pyschos. Not to mention cowards.

Muslim immigration must be banned they practice the criminal, hate filled and violent ideology of Islam. That alone should be enough to ban Muslims.

The common thread that we see in muslim violence is that they prey on the defenseless. They usually murder with complete surprise - ambush style - upon their unsuspecting victims.

Wonder why it didn't occur to him to take his religious fanaticism out on his flatmate?

This would of course be against Muslim doctrine, which allows Muslim men to take wives (and concubines) of other religions. But Muslim culture always seems to lead to a preference of taking it out on the woman involved. Is this the result of some sort of ingrained cowardice?

Muhammad in some limited ways may have tried to better the lot of women (his witnesses-to-aldultery rule was certainly aimed at protecting his favorite wife from slanderous gossip), but Muslims seem inevitably to ignore that part of his teaching in favor of beating up and murdering females.

A. Jabari and A. Jabaridia? I could, keep them straight. Another textbook example favoring the full cessation of Muslim immigration to any western country. It seems he was heeding Q 5:32 but logically leapt to Q 5:33 for justification.

Here is the BBC version... See any difference?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_yorkshire/7723399.stm

I agree with savsiv, totally!

Ban Muslims and Muslim immigration. They prove beyond satisfaction that they can't behave in a civil way in our society. They are just barbarians, driven by a crazy ideology since childhood, telling them to hate instead of love people of other faiths and opinions. I just feel sorry for all those that become victims of Muslims that follow this damn book.

It is time to start profiling Muslims in all Western countries. I give a damn if that makes them feel violated. They are violating us and we must protect ourselves and our society. We must start NOW! There is no other way!

Robert, yes point noted. I'd sooner trust Lord Haw-Haw to give a more balanced account of WWII than the BBC when reporting (or rather not reporting) on islam.

I'm assuming that this pious muslim is now demanding to be punished according to Sharia law?

Meanwhile, Tom Ashbrook on his morning show, the one stolen out from under Christopher Lydon, the one where he invites, then carefully has his screener keep out all those who might actually know something, and take a dim view, of what Islam inculcates, the public to join the "conversation," had on three Muslims who were to explain how wounded they had felt by the tenor of the campaign.

One of them was Robert Azzi, a photographer who for years produced what was essentially propaganda -- some might call it pornographic in its obscenity -- for the House of Al-Saud, for that is what his spreads, showing those National Geographic articles, that for years offered us the usual attractive "contrasts" of the age-old verities of the Bedu in the desert, noble weather beaten face, hawk on hand, or a camel race (what fun!), or a town on market day, showing the joys of rural Saudi Arabia, or -- and here is the "contrast" part -- the thrusting skyscrapers and palaces that bespoke a New Modern Arabia. But there was never a hint of those public decapitations, never a hint of the mutawwa enforcing Wahhabi Islam, never a hint of what the Saudis are taught to believe, or what imams tell them in the khutbas at Friday Prayers, never a hint of what is in those textbooks, that help raise up children in Saudi Arabia to hate, murderously, all Infidels, never a hint about the forms of slavery, "wage" slavery where wages can be withheld, in Saudi Arabia. The Lebanese Robert Azzi has essentially been Court Photographer to the House of Saud for many decades.

Then there was some "success story" -- a Muslim from Kashmir who now runs, and owns, Ethan Allen Furniture. For some reason he forgot to tell the audience about the terrorism in Kashmir, or of how 400,000 Kashmiri Pandits were driven out by the Muslims. He presumably represents the "success story" or "American dream" of Muslims, which economic success is supposed to lull us into not asking: but what do you believe, or what are you and more than a billion other Muslims taught to believe? We already know some Muslims can make money. So what? What do Muslims want, as they work -- as you are working by coming on this program -- to prevent Infidels from finding out what the actual texts of Islam, the Qur'an, the Hadith, the Sira -- contain, and what Jihad, the "struggle" to remove all obstacles to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam, means for Ameridans, and for their political and legal institutions, and social arrangements?

The third was a recent law school graduate, born in America, the daughter of Iranians who had, presumably, fled the Islamic Republic of Iran, but the girl allowed herself to be part of this unseemly galere, in which the whole point was to offer some sweet-sounding sense of victimhood, and outrage that anyone should not agree with the egregious Colin Powell that there is no conceivable reason why anyone should object, in the future toward which we are all so eagerly supposed to be heading, if a Muslim should become President of the United States. That Powell is ignorant, and has relied on his friendship with Prince Bandar to give him all the anecdotal evidence he needs for his self-confident remarks that rest upon, that presume, the innocuousness of Islam (presumably it's just those "extremists" who Misunderstand the Faith).

The utter crap on this show will be rebroadcast tonight. It's too bad Ashbrook, who was a protege of H. D. S. Greenway at The Globe (though without the Chinese vases, and the bowtie, and the rest of Greenway's act), and then left to strike it dotcommingly rich, but was left adrift, and suddewnly rediscovered how very deeply he missed "journalism" (and the now-disgraced Jane Christo snapped him up for WBUR), has still not managed, not even during his recovery from a heart-bypass operation, to read a single book about, to find a single thing out about, Islam.

It takes real genius in reverse to continue to have so many programs devoted to Islam and to do nothing to improve your knowledge, even to begin to acquire any knowledge, of Islam.

But Tom Ashbrook, bless him, has proven equal to the task.

Prophet Muhammad & his manual-4-murder, the Qur'an, have produced more psychotic serial killers who have butchered both men and women than I can even begin to number.

A minimum of 19 1/2 years for a premeditated slaughter? I would think that a murder with "an exceptional degree of violence", that this vile excuse for a human being would receive the death penalty. I'm unfamiliar with the UK and their laws concerning the death penalty, perhaps someone with this info would like to enlighten. 19 1/2 years is an insult to justice.

How many more gullible young Polish &/or British girls brainwashed by UK enforced propaganda - Islam is peace drivel - be sacrificed in exchange for 'social cohesion'? How long will the public not only permit but enable the ignorance about violence-prone Islamic male dominance to continue? Lidia Motylska's death is as much the responsibility of PC/MC Blair/Brown and his islam-apologists as if they handed Abobakir Jabari the cord to strangle her with.

When will the citizens of UK stand up and say NO MORE ISLAM?!

Muslim immigration must be banned they practice the criminal, hate filled and violent ideology of Islam. That alone should be enough to ban Muslims.

Posted by: savsiv

I agree -- add to that the Qur'an -- Ban the Qur'an too!

"You used a black cord to garrot the deceased and then used a substantial knife to cut the deceased’s neck to the point where her neck was virtually severed from her body."

So he practically beheaded her after she was already dead?????

Why on earth would he do that if it didn't have a particular significance?

And didn't Mo have his followers behead the Jews of Medina?

Who were the politicians who admitted him to Britain?
Who were the lawyers and refugee organizations who won him the right to stay here?
What kind of "enrichment" did they expect he would bring to our society?
These questions need to be asked and "islamophobia" and "racism" should not be allowed as the answer.

This is what the leaders of the UK and the USA and the rest of the west are asking for, this is what they want.
At the end of his 19 year term he will be a UK educated Imam.

If you know and understand Islam you'd easily see that this was a sex crime. I'd bet even money he came when he beheaded her.

Are "they" ever upset by the Muslim men who date these non-Muslim women? The females are always the victims - never the boyfriends...

Why any sane and rational woman would ever date any of these Muslim men is beyond me... guess they figure he's not really that way 'cause he wears Western clothes or whatever.

Reminds me of the story and subsequent TV movie about the American woman who married the Iranian and when they moved to Iran after the Revolution -he became all Iranian all devout Muslim all the time - no more Mr. Western Nice Guy. She eventually escaped with their son. Of course, that was thirty years ago and people in the West weren't so ignorant/naive about Islam then, or are we still?

HOV, the TV movie is called "Not without my daughter" starring Sally Field.

"Moody" is an Iranian doctor living in America with his American wife Betty and their child Mahtob. Wanting to see his homeland again, he convinces his wife to take a short holiday there with him and Mahtob. Betty is reluctant, as Iran is not a pleasant place, especially if you are American and female. Upon arrival in Iran, it appears that her worst fears are realized: Moody declares that they will be living there from now on. Betty is determined to escape from Iran, but taking her daughter with her presents a larger problem.

It is available to watch online: via YouTube in twelve segments.

They ALL do that. That a Muslim in the UK slaughtered a nice Catholic girl is not surprising in the least, nor is the brutality of the crime, nor is the BS legal response. What never ceases to astound me about these cases is that the families and friends of these girls never warn them, never try to pull them out, never do anything. Of COURSE he seemed like a nice guy. Even if he actually was he's Muslim and therefore surrounded by inbred, pedophilic, terror-financing-by-way-of-"zakat," intolerant, backassward, cruel psychopaths, so even if he seems safe, his friends and family can't all be safe. It just takes one wackjob, and Muslim communities are absolutely ridden with them, which why non-Muslims should stay the hell away from them, and moreover, they simply should not exist in the West. "33 Secrets Arab Men Never Tell American Women" should be required reading in schools. The appendices in the back are great, too. They talk about the ridiculously high incidences of rape, murder, incest, and domestic violence in Western Muslim communities (most Euro countries keep good stats on that kind of stuff), about female genital mutilation (which invariably occurs should Western children be brought to a Muslim country "to visit" -i.e., to never return- or often even in the Western home by the father using kitchen instruments), and Cassandra even warns the reader that if they have children with a Muslim man that they will molest them and if they don't that they are the exception, not the rule, and that they will usually sodomize them so as to not make them unsuitable to be pimped away at 7 to a 50-year-old cousin for money, which, yes, almost invariably happens because they have no respect for kafir laws. She also warns the reader that they will try to marry you right off the bat and that they will divorce you after 5 years because the Ikhwan told them to, and since polygamy is illegal in the West.

The same Yorkshire Post page that reports on this murder has another item: "Teenagers admit killing 17-year-old in park", about 5 Moslems, aged 16-20, who robbed and killed another Moslem teen. Ah, the religion of peace!

The title of the Yorkshire Post story reads "Muslim killed Catholic girl in love with flat mate." Surely this title misleads. To avoid ambiguity -- hints of jealousy, homoeroticism, a possible menage a trois, or any other triangulation a reader may more pithily or pythagoreanly care to mention, cleverer heads at the Yorkshire Post might have entitled the piece differently. For example, it might have read "Muslim kills Catholic immigrant in England out of hate for Infidels."

After all, love's got nothing to do with it. She, Miss Motylska, a nineteen-year-old who had come to England to find work and to earn money, was an Infidel. She was going out with his roommate, a fellow Muslim. She hadn't, apparently, decided to become a Muslim herself, nor to conform to Muslim ways. Therefore, he had to strangle her, and then once she was dead, sitting and " he had to stab her corpse repeatedly and then slit her throat, decapitating her entirely, all the while sitting on her and then continuing to sit on the corpse when found -- "grunting" on top of her.

Need to win those hearts, win those minds. Need to "integrate" them. Need to carefully show that no one notices a thing about Islam, what is contained in the texts, what Muslims are taught, in this most ferocious and all-consuming and unyielding and aggressive of faiths, so dangerous to all non-Muslims. And some of those non-Muslims are discovering that for themselves, despite the best efforts of political and media elites to hide this truth from those whom they have a duty to instruct and protect. And many more would do so, on their own, if they only took the time -- the time they routinely spend on choosing which washing machine to buy, or which dryer, or which car -- to find out.

jdamn

"33 Secrets Arab Men Never Tell American Women"

Is it a book or just on a web site?

BTW It is "lucky" he killed only the girl. A few years ago a Moroccan killed his English wife, their 2 year old daughter and his wife's parents. They were Christians and would not let him take the child to Morocco to be brought up as a muslim.

"pimped away at 7 to a 50-year-old cousin for money"

Just being a little bitter when I say you are not quite right. The girls are usually 10 or 12 and the debt is paid off by a passport to whatever western country they are living in. Read "Belonging" by Sameem Ali.

If there is a bright spot in this horror story it is the fact that the british government can no longer charge the Catholic girl (yes, the murder victim) with a "hate crime." She's dead.

Perhaps her parents will be sent in for sensitive training toward muslims now?

Maybe the british should start PROTECTING decent citizens or is that asking too much?

Even the Barbarians who killed and plundered Europe were of a better human grade than Muslims. Killing this girl is totally despicable and words fall short in expressing what I think about this and other atrocious acts committed by Muslims. In doing this kind of thing, Muslims are showing the world that they alone belong to a sub-human cult.

There was once an age when those found guilty of such heinous crimes were hung around the neck till dead, in a public forum no less. In our contemporary age, this practice is discouraged, but rest assured if certain elements have their way the practice itself could likely be re-instituted, but would be piously applied toward specifically targeted individuals of conscience, the type of person who would intervene,(perhaps with lethal means) on the victim's behalf. If certain elements have their way.....

Unfortunately, this poor girl isn't the first and won't be the last murder victim to go back to her country of origin in a coffin.

This happened in Ireland 2 years ago. It is more than highly likely that her estranged husband put a contract out on her. Getting proof is difficult.

The husband's sister, who also lives in Dublin, has custody of the children now. Their Latvian family wanted them, but were turned down in the sister's favour. Piling wrong upon wrong.

This man pretended to be a Greek christian. It wasn't until their first child was born that he changed.

Are we the first generation in history to be delivering our daughters into the hands of predators in the name of multiculturalism? Our politicians should be hanged.

"Baiba Saulite had come to Ireland searching for happiness and prosperity. She is leaving in a coffin. The path her life took in the six years between those two stages was a difficult one.

Friends this week described a warm and outgoing woman who was devoted to her two young sons. She worked part-time as a cleaner to supplement her social welfare. She prayed at the Lutheran church on Adelaide Road, Dublin 2.

From the city of Riga, she had travelled here with her Latvian boyfriend. Like most of the estimated 50,000 Latvians now in Ireland, they had no particular reason to leave their homeland other than to seek out new, greener pastures. Their relationship didn't survive the move and Baiba found herself single in Ireland.

She began dating a Lebanese immigrant, Hassan Hassan, who had moved to Ireland 20 years ago. They fell in love, married and had two children: Ali-Alexsandra, now aged five, and Mohamed Rami, aged three.

It was a difficult relationship founded on lies, according to Saulite's account. Hassan, now 38, told his then girlfriend he was Greek during the first two years of their relationship. She had expressed fears soon after meeting him that, as a Christian, she did not think marrying a Muslim was a wise decision. So he insisted he too was a Christian, of Greek origin. He neglected to mention he had once been married to an Irish woman.

At first they lived at Mount Andrew Rise in Lucan, Co Dublin. Soon after the birth of their first child, Hassan admitted to his wife he was Muslim.

LAST YEAR, AFTER her children were held by their father during a custody battle, she went on RTÉ Radio 1 and explained how her husband's behaviour had changed after the birth of their first child.

"When the children were born he started acting in an Islamic way," she said. "He told us what we could eat, what we can't eat, what I have to wear, what I have to do. He wouldn't let me go out and see my friends, nothing."

She said that Hassan insisted their children be raised in the Muslim tradition.

The relationship disintegrated and the ensuing custody battle became extremely acrimonious.

In December 2004 Hassan was to have the boys for a three-day visit. But when the period ended he failed to bring them back to her, sending them overseas to Lebanon instead.

She initiated legal proceedings against him to force her boys' return. But Hassan refused to comply with a Dublin District Court order to produce the boys. He was then imprisoned over the Christmas and New Year period.

When the first week in January 2005 came to a close, with no sign of her young boys, Baiba Saulite went on radio, thinking the children were still in Ireland, and appealed to the public to look out for them.

The children were eventually returned to her. But personal problems and anxiety continued to afflict her until she finally suffered a nervous breakdown.

Her relationship with Hassan became no more amicable. He made repeated threats against her and she feared for her safety.

In February 2004, a large team of gardaí from Dublin's Blanchardstown and the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation swooped on a warehouse at Colbinstown near Kilcullen, Co Kildare. They found about 20 top-of-the-range stolen vehicles, all of which were being stripped and prepared for export to eastern Europe.

Among the dismantled vehicles recovered were BMW, Mercedes and Fiat models as well as at least one Kawasaki motorcycle. The most expensive vehicle recovered was a €70,000 2004 BMW. The haul was valued at around €300,000.

Many of the cars had already been completely dismantled and packed into a container ready for export through Dublin Port. Other vehicles had simply been cut in half for shipment. Gardaí believed those behind the racket were armed, but no guns were found.

Four men from Lebanon and Syria were arrested, charged and later convicted. One of them was Hassan Hassan. He is currently serving four years in Mountjoy for his role in the scam, which gardaí believe saw cars totalling up to €3 million in value stolen and exported before the ring was smashed.

With her husband behind bars, and the custody battle drawing to a close, Baiba probably believed her life and those of her children would improve. But in February a chain of events began that clearly showed she had reason to be fearful.

The Dublin Circuit Criminal court heard yesterday that a male solicitor, who represented Saulite in the custody case, had been receiving threats "for quite some time" and was in "honest fear for his life".

The solicitor's house was the subject of an arson attack last February, Sgt Liam Hughes told Judge White during a bail application by Hassan to look after his two children in the wake of their mother's death.

Sgt Hughes also said that Saulite had contacted gardaí last Tuesday week and was in fear for the safety of her solicitor and for gardaí involved in the abduction case.Judge White refused the bail application.

Gardaí say that because of Baiba's links to the solicitor she too was given security advice. However, they insist there was no direct threat against her life. Because of this, patrols were not stepped up around her.

WHEN HER CAR was petrol-bombed last month her landlord asked her to move out. She decided to take a two-bedroom townhouse in Holywell Square, Feltrim Road, Swords, Co Dublin.

Last Sunday night she stood in the hallway of that house with two friends, smoking a cigarette. A man walked up to the door just before 10pm. He produced a handgun and shot her twice at point-black range. She fell back into the hall and died as her sons slept upstairs.

The murderer fled in a black BMW driven by an accomplice. It was later found burned out in the nearby Birchdale estate.

The identity of the person who pulled the trigger is unknown, but gardaí believe it could be a foreign national or a member of one of Limerick's crime gangs.

Hassan has been interviewed by gardaí in prison to see if he knew of any person who would want to harm his estranged wife.

Gardaí say that since her killing they have learned Baiba had expressed concerns for her safety to friends and neighbours. An internal Garda inquiry is underway into the manner in which the threat to Saulite was treated in the months and weeks before her death. Gardaí insist they did not abandon her while offering protection to her Irish solicitor.

But two people who find themselves alone now are Baiba's sons. Rami and Ali are in the care of the State. Their father will stay in prison until 2009. Their loving mother is to be buried in Riga. An immigrant's tale ended with bullets and a body bag."

This paragraph,

"The court heard that Jabari grew up in Iraq and was conscripted to the Iraqi army but then deserted. He became involved with the Communist party and later helped opponents of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's regime flee to Syria."

Is followed with this,

"He came to England in 1999 with his then wife, but they separated in 2003 and he went on to gain British citizenship."

Lidia was killed by a paramilitary Communist radical who was allowed into a Democracy run by leaders who have no idea how to secure the safety of the public.

"He disliked the fact that his Kurdish friend was going out with a Polish Catholic----People better learn to embrace and respect the Western way of life or get out and go where camels get more respect than women!

Note that both Muslim men were from Iraq/ Mesopotamia. One was Kurdish, one was - presumably - 'Arab'. The 'Arab' man killed the Infidel girlfriend of the Kurdish guy.

Memo to Australia, Canada, everybody else: do. not. admit. any. more. Muslims, 'refugees' or 'immigrants' from. Iraq/ Mesopotamia. Or from anywhere else. They're not refugees, they're not immigrants, they are colonists, an invading army, that is how they are behaving already and how they will behave.

Memo to Benedict XVI and all Christian clergy: in the name of God (YHWH) start being much LOUDER about telling all those little Infidel girls in your flocks...NEVER MARRY A MUSLIM!!! NEVER SHACK UP WITH A MUSLIM! STAY AWAY FROM MUSLIM MEN!!

Same memo to all other non-Muslim faith groups. If you're not already doing so: teach your daughters to stay right away from Muslims. Oh, and teach them serious self-defence skills while you're at it.

Or what happened to this Polish Catholic immigrant to the UK who - forgetting her history, forgetting people like Jan Sobieski who saved Europe from the Mohammedan hordes - shacked up with a Muslim man, will happen to others.

I think Jan Sobieski is weeping in heaven today: weeping with grief for his little Polish sister, so foolish, so naive, so ill-taught ; and weeping with rage, that his victory has been nullified by the fools and traitors who currently rule in Europe.

People better learn to embrace and respect the Western way of life or get out and go where camels get more respect than women!

Further note, from the other story provided by Silvester, about the Muslim thug and criminal Hassan Hassan, who preyed upon, and ultimately arranged the murder, of his Latvian immigrant wife in Ireland...

"It was a difficult relationship founded on lies, according to Saulite's account.

"Hassan, now 38, told his then girlfriend he was Greek during the first two years of their relationship.

"She had expressed fears soon after meeting him that, as a Christian, she did not think marrying a Muslim was a wise decision.

"So he insisted he too was a Christian, of Greek origin. He neglected to mention he had once been married to an Irish woman.

"At first they lived at Mount Andrew Rise in Lucan, Co Dublin.

"Soon after the birth of their first child, Hassan admitted to his wife he was Muslim."

'he insisted he too was a Christian'.

How many vicious, lying, psychopathic Muslim thugs have done the same - swearing black and blue that 'I'm a Christian/ Buddhist/ atheist/ Hindu' - all in order to sucker some poor girl who is trying to be wary.

War is deceit, said Mohammed.

The sheer volume and horribleness of the lies that so many Muslims tell - in private and in public - is mind-boggling.

Hugh, you are so right about the time people spend choosing washing machines and so on. If I try to tell my friends about what I have learned here and elsewhere, I get accused of having too much time to spare. And I know what so many "busy" people do with their spare time - shopping for the latest bit of nonsense or seeing stupid films, and not only deliberately ignoring what is happening but then accusing me of morbidly wasting my time.

The worst thing is that in a Muslim country, this kind of crime is less likely to happen. The relationship between the girl and the murderer's flatmate would be less likely to occur, young men are more likely to live with their families rather than with flatmates, and the murderer would know in any case that such a crime would be punished severely, and his family would suffer on his account. There would be a lot more disincentive.

That is the worst thing. The impossibility of compatibility of Western and Muslim worlds. If our governments cannot see this yet, they are wilfully negligent.

'Wonder why it didn't occur to him to take his religious fanaticism out on his flatmate?"

Because male Muslims are not real men. The screwballs, like the above example, are not real men because they always, always always attack Muslim females, children or defenceless non-Muslims.

The rest of them are not real men because they never, ever, ever do a damn thing about it.

Alahu Akbar.

Of course this was an act of love and compassion, he had to save his muslim friend from impurity and corruption.

I think Jan Sobieski is weeping in heaven today: weeping with grief for his little Polish sister...

Along with my late grandmother, who was a Polish Catholic woman.

In addition to the "I am John Doe" campaign, we need an "I am Jan Sobieski" campaign. Or in Polish, "Ja jestem Janem Sobieskim."

'Wonder why it didn't occur to him to take his religious fanaticism out on his flatmate?"

Because in matters of sex the Muslim male is never to blame.

She led him astray, away from the straight path. She is the occasion of sin, so she is the one who has to be 'punished', with a healthy dose of lust and jealousy mixed in. (Muslim violence isn't violence, I read in a fatwa somewhere, it's Allah's punishment, that's why they can say with a straight face that Islam isn't violent. Another one for the lexicon.)

Fred, it's a book. The author's name is Cassandra. I wasn't being bitter so much as hyperbolic. It's usually elementary-school-age. You're right about the passport thing. It's always a cousin. Need to 'reunify' (i.e., further inbreed) those families.

Sharia is coming to the UK and likely the US and EU, through the back door of business. Gaffney is a must read:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/11/yes-they-can/

Family reunion - i.e. cousin-marrying...is this it? I have been told so by a migration agent that this is why so many Muslims are coming here.
I teach English to new arrivals (children). About half are Chinese, about half are Muslim, from Muslim countries. A small few are Ethiopian Christians and others. I have wondered why so many Muslims? How are they coming here? Not for their skills, surely? Many are fully-established families. In their countries, I know for a fact that Christians are persecuted more than Muslims are. What is going on? Is there any way the Immigration Department can be prevailed upon to tell us what is going on?

This is why all western girls by the age of thirteen need to visit Jihadwatch on a regular basis. Both of my daughters think Muslims are barbarian daughter killing, wife beaters.

jdamn

Thanks I will look it up. Actually I was trying to be sarcastic about the way our governments pretend they do not know about these cases.

PG

I believe some big and dirty deal has been done that they dare not tell us about. I recently posted how the UN has got/made ICELAND of all places take in Iraqi muslims. What the hell does a country that survives by fishing the frozen North Atlantic need Iraqis for? They have however been able to get one very interesting concession, they will only take widows with children - no men. I guess they have seen what has happened in Europe and they do not like it.

As to the dirty deal that is anyone's guess, how about oil supply linked to a quota of muslim immigrants?

"Ten minutes later, two passers-by called 999, reporting that they had seen a woman on the ground in an alleyway in Lincoln Green, with a man sitting over her "grunting" and holding her around the neck."

I think, according to British law, they were not allowed to interfere or try to stop the crime. They could only report it. I find that also quite horrifying.

What a stupid girl. I'm sorry, I have no sympathy for idiots like her who go right into a lion's den when they should know better that Muslims are dangerous.

"Caught on CCTV: the" (Muslim) "murderer carrying his victim's head in a bag on a London bus"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1083808/Caught-CCTV-The-murderer-carrying-victims-head-bag-London-bus.html

Hi Fred,

Cassandra has another book called "Escape! From an Arab Marriage." She publishes through Xlibris under a pseudonym, obviosly. She's great. I would actually go so far as to say that she's better than Phyllis Chesler in terms of makng clear the threat to women who get involved with Muslim men.

Everyone should read her books. I also find her to be rather inspiring because she's just a schmo like me and she self-published two excellent, well-researched books. If anyone knows women who get involved with Muslim men, PLEASE, give them "33 Secrets Arab Men Never Tell American Women." Even if they're just friends with Muslims. That was the mistake I made which led to my getting stalked. He got all Arab on me and said some crazy stuff about killing Jews and raping and enslaving American women and children, naturally in a backhanded, spineless way which he thought I wouldn't understand, and I told him to F off, so he got all psycho on me and started stalking me because I rejected him. They don't want to be friends with women. They don't even consider women to be potential friends. Women are objects to be used and abused to them, but they're all smiles and kind words at first.

It's also just a great crash course on Islam and what is psychologically and socially wrong with Muslims. It's a good 'step 2' in learning about Islam, after reading the stories of apostates. I can't promote it enough.

DenverRadio: Don't be so hard. She didn't know. She probably believed the hype. You have to admit, it's everywhere.

I didn't work for a long time (raising kids). I recently started working in a school. Normally I say what I like and if I lose friends because of it, too bad. But now I have to earn money. I have to keep my mouth shut even though I want to shout at those stupid teachers in the staff room when I listen to their talk. (Although it is possible to say a few subtle things - it can be done, but only carefully, and to one at a time).

She was young. A victim of political correctness, a dangerous, deadly mindset.

It started in Mecca.

Misogynistic madness.

Let's disinvite it from our Civilization.

Islam: malis aforethought.

She was also probably all alone in a new land. I bet that dude just latched onto her and made her feel like a princess. She didn't know anyone else. People like that are the most susceptible to both being taken advantage of and of being sucked into a cult. Muslims are taught to seek out people like that. Plus, she's from Poland. Poland doesn't have much of a Muslim problem. Poland never had a 9/11 or a 7/7. She didn't know. And he didn't do anything un-Islamic either. They can marry the "People of the Book" and they can have pre-marital sex with us too because we're war booty to them. When it comes to infidels, Muslim men really can have it both ways. The boyfriend was totally in on it. She agreed to meet him and ten minutes later she was found murdered, plus his friend came along after they had gotten involved, but he took issue with the relationship only after he thought she might be pregnant. His friend told him about that for a reason. They had been planning that for a while.

"She began dating a Lebanese immigrant, Hassan Hassan, who had moved to Ireland 20 years ago. They fell in love, married and had two children: Ali-Alexsandra, now aged five, and Mohamed Rami, aged three.

It was a difficult relationship founded on lies, according to Saulite's account. Hassan, now 38, told his then girlfriend he was Greek during the first two years of their relationship. She had expressed fears soon after meeting him that, as a Christian, she did not think marrying a Muslim was a wise decision. So he insisted he too was a Christian, of Greek origin. He neglected to mention he had once been married to an Irish woman.

At first they lived at Mount Andrew Rise in Lucan, Co Dublin. Soon after the birth of their first child, Hassan admitted to his wife he was Muslim.

LAST YEAR, AFTER her children were held by their father during a custody battle, she went on RTÉ Radio 1 and explained how her husband's behaviour had changed after the birth of their first child.

"When the children were born he started acting in an Islamic way," she said. "He told us what we could eat, what we can't eat, what I have to wear, what I have to do. He wouldn't let me go out and see my friends, nothing."

She said that Hassan insisted their children be raised in the Muslim tradition."
-- from a posting above

Several years ago a Hindu informant living in the United States told me about an American girl, known to him personally, who had met a student from India who told her he was Hindu, and after meeting her, agreed for the sake of her parents to convert to Christianity. They married, they had a child or two, and very soon after the marriage, when it was clear that he either was or would soon be, irrevocably, an American citizen, he announced that he was, and always had been, a Muslim, that he had lied to get her to marry him, and that he was now going to divorce her.

This business of hiding one's Muslim faith until, for the girl, it is too late, is apparently not rare. This is merely religion-sanctioned deception -- "war is deception" said the Perfect Man -- and a Muslim attempting to do what he has to do,including lying to a fiance or wife, so as to obtain permanent residence in the West, within which he may burrow at will, is merely engaging in one form of war or "struggle" or qitaal.

Perhaps other visitors know of similar cases elsewhere; some may even have been discussed at the websites run by ex-Muslims.

"immigrant". More cultural enrichment to the great social experiment. This was no failure, success. 1 less Brit, 1 more living space for a non British immigrant.

I've been reading this site for over a year now; this story has spurred me to sign up and actively oppose Jihad.

This story has two revolting aspects: 1) the brutal, pathetic killing a young girl for religious reasons, 2) the completely odious attempt by the BBC to stifle details of this hate crime. I consider that by suppressing these details, the BBC is also guilty of a hate crime. It's in effect siding with the perp. Had this girl realised the level of religious hatred that exists amongst many Muslims, she might have thought twice before placing herself in danger.

Here's what I want to know: when she discovered that he plucked his pit hair and refused to have sex with her when she was on her period, which to me would prove unequivocally that he's a closet case using her to prove something, why did she stay with him? That would seriously weird me out as an ignorant infidel. I don't think that Polish women even shave their pit hair. She had to have thought that he was a closet trannie or something. I don't know. I just can't imagine Muslim men being worth it in bed, what with the creepy prayers before and after, the restrictions on positions (no woman-on-top), the no sex on the period thing, and the showering right after thing, which I would find pretty insulting, I would figure that the dude has real issues with women (which they all necessarily do) and let him go. Like, that would mess a woman up at 19 if her first sexual experiences were like that.

I love American men. Thank God for real men. Y'all are the bestest. Seriously.

Hugh,

I have met a Muslim woman who works at an airport stall who told me she repeatedly tells people she is either Buddhist or Hindu and never Muslim. I knew she was Muslim.

Moreover, Muslims here in the US now interchange between Hindu culture and Islamic culture therefore throwing off infidels who do not know the difference. It is a shame and this creates more confusion and deception on the part of Mohammedans.

jdam -

". . .she's from Poland. Poland doesn't have much of a Muslim problem. Poland never had a 9/11 or a 7/7."

Not so fast . . .

The Jihad against Poland (1444 to 1699)

There is a remarkable effort coming from Poland:

The Victoria Project which will include a novel, audio (including radio drama, documentary film - with trailer, movie, theme park.

The Novel
"Victoria", a story of Jan Ill Sobieski's victory in the battle of Vienna, the day of true glory of European armies, achieved with a heroic help from His Majesty's secret agent.
A great clash between Western world and Islam in the struggle for much more than the lands of the Habsburgs.
A great story, great love, a great victory still important for today's world.
author: Cezary Harasimowicz
"Victoria's" obvious audience are nations of Central Europe. However, through balanced, fictionalized treatment ofhistory and emotional engagement of German-speaking nations as well as very topical deption of political problems of present-day Europe, the film will find a wide audience on the whole Continent. The attractiveness of the plot to the USA audience is a separate issue. Here the storyline boldly and provocatively proposes a thesis that will not go unnoticed in this region of the world.

jdamn

I haven't read those two books by 'Cassandra', but I know about them - Phyllis Chesler gave them a rave review.

If this was a sane society with a sense of self-preservation, those books by Cassandra, plus 'Not without my daughter' plus Phyllis Chesler's 'My Afghan Captivity' plus the dvd of 'Submission' and Ayaan Hirsi Ali's 'Caged Virgin' would be in every high school library and every non-Muslim girl would have read them - guided by mother or auntie - before she turned twelve.

And what's more, Cassandra's '33 Secrets Arab Men Never Tell American Women', perhaps retitled as '33 Secrets Muslim Men Never Tell Non-Muslim Women' would have been translated into French, Italian, Russian, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Spanish (Spanish especially).

And stories like those related by Hugh's friends, and that revolting story of deception from Ireland, would also be told, and women would be warned to check, check and double-check; for the stakes are so damned high, if the guy lies, and you believe him.

Again: in a sane society, if a Muslim male 'citizen' or applicant for citizenship, in a non-Muslim society, is revealed to have lied in that revolting manner, by pretending to be Christian, or Hindu, or whatever, in order to sucker a girl into marriage, and then turning round and saying, 'Surprise! I'm a Muslim and I've been a Muslim all along! Sucked in!', that alone should be sufficient to scupper his application or, if he has already wangled citizenship, to strip him of it forthwith. Indeed, I would see it as grounds for immediate deportation.

Such a response, following immediately upon the Muslim's gloating revelation, to his Infidel wife, of the deceit he has practised upon her, would do a lot to deter future usage of that disgusting ploy.

heroyalwhyness

that 'Viktoria' movie has been in the pipeline for a while.

Do you know whether it's progressing? Are they actually filming it, with actors, director, etc? Or is it all 'what we're gonna do' but nothing actually happening? If they can pull it off, it would be fantastic - the first real 'war film' for the Defence Against the Third Jihad.

What little of the music soundtrack that I've heard, is gorgeous.

I *love* the byline: 'We came, we saw, GOD had the victory!'.

As a Catholic, I must offer my condolences.

I guess this is my warning to stay away from Muslim men.

(And the danger wasn't even from the man himself, but his friend! Oh, the irony!)

Non illegitimi carborundum, and Rest in Peace.

Okay, he might have strangled her, OR stabbed her, OR slit her throat.

But all three?

Do these sickos get turned on at the sight of female infidel blood?

Miira:

Thanks for the information - I remember watching the movie many years ago and it is a riveting story. Especially the scenes where the boys are being rounded up to fight in the Iran-Iraq War.

In a sane world, they would all be like Ethoman's daughters. Help them find a good university, Ethoman. UT-Austin and A&M are still relatively uncorrupted.

In Colin Powell's America we shouldn't care if they turn around and tell us, two years into a relationship, having suckered us into citizenship, that hey, "suprise! I'm a Muslim!" We should be cool with it because it shouldn't matter. But I don't live in that backassward, sicko/pervert America. Thank God.

savsiv

lies and murder: the theory and daily practice of Islam down the centuries.

I think it's the mass lying that horrifies and revolts me, just as much as the mass murdering.

I hate, hate, hate all the labyrinthine cheating, the false identities, the identity fraud, the thieving, the deliberate fostering of division and confusion and chaos. Considered in general, they lie to themselves, they lie to each other, and they lie to everybody else in the world. And because they lie, they cannot create, or maintain, or fix, anything at all, neither relationships nor things.

Have you read this? 'Life in Iraq: A Civilisation of Deception'.

http://antiprotester.blogspot.com/2006/04/life-in-iraq-part-ii-civilization-of.html

It's brilliant. I've posted it before on numerous occasions but it bears re-reading, especially for anyone new to this site today or in the future.

One may even note - given that the article we are discussing today, features the murder of a Catholic girl in the UK, by the Iraqi Arab Muslim 'friend' of her Iraqi Kurdish Muslim 'boyfriend' - that the author is writing specifically from bitter experience in Iraq

Here's a sample:

"Lying is the only way a completely incompetent person who is trying to screw everyone can possibly retain any sense of dignity among others. Welcome to the {Muslim - dda} Middle East."

Something else that those of us here who can read French should track down ASAP, is something that was mentioned by Mr Fitzgerald some time ago:

"Le Livre des ruses" [i.e. 'The Book of Tricks'] (ed. Rene Khawam)", which is, according to Hugh, "an Arab [Muslim] strategy-book written 100 years before Machiavelli, who was a child compared to these plotters and schemers".

Indeed, if we can find it, perhaps we need to do an unofficial translation of it into English - and into other languages - and simply post it online, for the edification and forewarning of Infidels everywhere.

Okay, just so we're one hundred percent clear...

They "disapprove" of a Catholic dating a Muslim

They "disapprove" of a loving relationship were the woman is the man's equal.

They "disapprove" of anyone who insists that a 9 year old should be playing with dolls instead of getting raped by a 50-something-year old.

They "disapprove" of schoolchildren out of burkas

They "disapprove" of a word-famous rock star, humanitartian, and Knight showing his approval for Israel by performing there (Still not over that, by the way)

They "disapprove" of love, equality, thought, speech, music (no musical intruments under the Ayatollah's decree, explains 4th disapproval).

No wonder they resort to screwing animals and blowing shit up. Islam sounds like living hell.

Non illegitimi carborundum.
Rest in Peace Lidia.

This being NYC, Hugh, of course I know of similar cases. One even worse, because the Muslim man didn't even bother to hide his "religion". But the forty-plus-year-old American woman, who'd never been married, went ahead and married Said the Egyptian anyway, totally oblivious. She was in love. Everyone else around her clearly could see it was all green-card related (mid-80's; such fakery was so rampant Hollywood even made a movie about it). I thought it might, perhaps, be even more. Especially since he spent little time in her place, and slept in a different room when he was there. He was away "in Canada", usually.

Oh, did I mention that "her place" was a loft directly across from the World Trade Center?

It occurred to me, seeing Bobby Jindal on FOX News, that South Asian men should all have Southern accents. It seriously lends them an air of trustworthiness, plus it's just incredibly endearing and disarming. I dig that dude.

Just a thought:

British jihadwatchers might like to memorialise Lidia by buying, online (jdamn - can you provide a link?) lots of copies of '33 Secrets Arab Men Never Tell American Women' and circulating them among your female acquaintance, as the spirit moves. Print off the Yorkshire Post account of the murder, and glue it inside the front cover.

Or: ladies - hold a 'wake' in her name and show 'Fitna' and 'Submission' to a select group of friends. Take round the hat afterwards and donate the proceeds to Mr Geert Wilders' Freedom Party, or to this very website.

A SWAT team might even consider hitting the alleyway where she was murdered, laying a wreath of roses, and graffitiing 'Thou Shalt Not Murder' on the wall, like someone did in the Netherlands after Theo Van Gogh was murdered.

PS - from the article, it says Jabari "was given British citizenship in 2005".

The moment the sentence came down, his British citizenship should have been stripped from him, forever.

DDA, that was like kismet that you posted that link. I was just re-reading it while you were posting it. I have a 'taqiyya' folder in my bookmarks. Among the better parts:

Every organism alive on the planet is good at something. Each has some sort of defense or capability or behavior that gave them an edge over other organisms of past eras and allowed them to evolve to overcome life's challenges and survive to this day.

Rabbits are fast runners and fast breeders. Tigers are amazingly skilled hunting machines. Elephants are immensely tough and powerful. Monkeys are highly intelligent and adaptable. Frogs have poisonous skin.

But Muslims, like the stick bug and the chameleon and the stone fish, have developed, to an amazing extent, the ability to deceive. And it is that ability that confounds their environmental competitors (you and me) the most.

These types of organisms -- "lie-in-wait" predators -- must know the full range of behaviors of the organisms they wish to defeat, so as to position themselves correctly for the strike. They are not necessarily strong or powerful, so they must know what frightens, arouses, lures, relaxes, and weakens that which they intend to destroy. For the Muslim, the idea is to exploit our greatest vulnerability -- PC thinking.

It is no accident that the Muslims chose to openly start attacking the West on their own turf in the '60s and '70s, right around the time when PC ideology in our culture was starting to pick up steam and cloud our collective judgment. Would Muslims have attacked New York while U.S. Grant was president? Or London while King George III was on the throne? How about the Paris riots during Napoleon's time? I don't think so.

The Deceiver picked up on this latest dominant PC, therapeutic, Leftist strain in Western culture, and, patient and shrewd as he is, has successfully exploited it for the last few decades. The only time they seem to have paid any price was when the United States had good old-fashioned cowboys at the tiller -- Bush I and Bush II.

They continue to try and deceive by maintaining their false cries of victimhood, blustering lies, and ridiculous charades, for they have internalized and mastered what Sun Tsu's considered the most valuable tactic in warfare:Deception.

They hone these deceptive traits by practicing on themselves, first and foremost, by perfecting the art that most Westerners would call "lying." But to them it's not really lying. To them, lying is simply the most effective means at their disposal for saving face, being clever, getting ahead, and trying to appear superior. Remember, deception is the Muslim's most developed trait; their secret weapon. Its constant exercise is not a matter of shame, it's a matter of pride.

And they absolutely drool at the site of an unsuspecting Westerner who waltzes into their midst, like the juicy beetle oblivious to the chameleon, with his Christian-based ideas of "Truth" and "honesty" and "ethics" and "integrity." From Alexander the Great to the 101st Airborne, the first thing the Arabs saw was not our frightening array of weapons, but the big "Tootsie Pop" signs stenciled on our foreheads.

...

Let's take a quiz:

Q: Why are there no democracies in the Muslim Middle East?

A: Democracies are based on the possibility of mutually held Agreements between people. Democracy is unsustainable in cultures where lying is acceptable and constant.

Q: Why is every Muslim Middle Eastern country characterized by either rigid oppression or chaotic violence?

A: The coercive use of violence is the only way to ensure Muslims in the Middle East will live up to any obligations, including basic social order and function. Middle East countries where chaos currently reigns, like Palestine, Iraq, and Afghanistan, are merely examples of what Muslims are like without coercion.

...

Q: Why is it that Muslim leaders can stare the world in the eye and lie through their teeth without even flinching?

A: They're not lying, they are "negotiating" with people they assume to be complete suckers.

Q: Are they right?

A: Good question

Why does Abdullah M and the Dave dude stay away from these type topics?

Out of the 1.2 billion or so Mohammadans in the world, how many have one deranged foot on a banana peel, and the other deranged foot in the kind of behavior displayed by Abobakir Jabari?

Since these type incidents happen daily, they appear to be the norm rather than the exception...

Stop Mohammadan immigration...'Enough is enough, and enough is too much'...From the great American hero...Pop-Eye...I'm beginning to think Bluto is a Mohammadan...Don't you think 'Olive Oil', is just a little too coincidental?

DDA, here's a link to her book:

http://www.amazon.com/Thirty-Three-Secrets-Never-American-Women/dp/1425764479/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226547126&sr=1-1

I just noticed that there were no reviews on the page. I'm going to leave one right now.

Here's "Escape! from an Arab Marriage:"

http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Arab-Marriage-Stories-Husbands/dp/142571644X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226547221&sr=1-1

Buy them!

"It is no accident that the Muslims chose to openly start attacking the West on their own turf in the '60s and '70s, right around the time when PC ideology in our culture was starting to pick up steam and cloud our collective judgment. Would Muslims have attacked New York while U.S. Grant was president? Or London while King George III was on the throne? How about the Paris riots during Napoleon's time? I don't think so."

Posted by: jdamn

Very true; but don't forget the demographic element. In the 18th and 19th centuries it was the West that had a rapidly growing population. In the last century the West has essentially stopped growing, while the Moslem countries have taken off. For example:

U.K. pop. in 1910 - 41 million, in 2010 - 60 million, an increase of roughly 50%.
Egypt pop. in 1910 - 11 million, in 2010 -65 million, an increase of about 500%.

"Why does Abdullah M and the Dave dude stay away from these type topics?"

I hear ya, duh_swami, but I think it's painfully obvious why they don't step foot on these threads. They are too embarrassed and ashamed of the "religion of peace" that they purport to defend and love, and they know they'll be eatten alive. Their cowardess makes me sick.

No, it's because Muslims never care when women get killed, beaten, raped, mutilated, disfigured, kidnapped, be they Muslim, infidel, or their own mother, sister, or daughter.

That is the worst thing. The impossibility of compatibility of Western and Muslim worlds. If our governments cannot see this yet, they are wilfully negligent.
Posted by: PG [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 12, 2008 3:54 PM

Our governments are "willfully negligent" because to them, the end will justify the means. We are guinea pigs in a social engineering experiment and if a few million of us die before the emasculated West "civilizes" third world savages by importing them en mass to live and practice their vile, anachronistic cultures in OUR countries, the eventual utopia for future generations will justify today's sacrifices. It's all for peace, you see.

Western people have been systematically brainwashed for over thirty years to believe that the white race is evil, oppressive, and that our success, wealth, prosperity, and modernization were achieved by exploiting poor, non-white, helpless people. Now we must pay for our crimes by giving our countries to third world savages. Not only are we obligated to open our countries to people of every race and religion, we must shower these immigrants with special privileges because they are "minorities". White people comprise less than 10% of the global population. We are almost extinct and as far as the social engineering elites are concerned, the sooner the better.

Besides the already-observed slimy cowardice of ALL Mohammadan men who victimize women and children with assumed impunity, what makes me SICK about this story is that passers-by CALLED THE POLICE. God help the Brits if another Hitler decides to invade, one of the bravest nations in history has descended into powerless cowardice and dishonor.

[911 call in Texas]

"Hey, we need an ambulance and a - BLAM! - hearse."

Regarding the BBC's attempt to suppress that fact that this was a religious hate crime, I urge JW readers to complain directly to the BBC, using this link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_3990000/newsid_3993900/3993909.stm

Please paste the link to their 'report' in the appropriate field

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7723399.stm

I think the first step in stopping Jihad is to educate the populace. If we can stop organisations like the BBC covering up the facts it would be a great step forward.

The BBC is too dhimmitized to change at this point. They've even admitted to their Muhammad bias and Saudi infiltration. A better strategy would just be to not read or listen to them until they start acting like respectable journalists again. Whenever I see a link with .uk in it these days I just decide to not read it. The British media has long since committed suicide and foregone its committment to the truth and respectability, so they're dead to me. The same goes for the New York Times, the Washington Post, NPR (except 'Car Talk'), NBC news in all its incarnations, CBS, and my school's paper.

jdamn: I disagree. I've noticed a marked change recently in willingness to report Islamic excesses, and in the vehemence of readers' comments, even in the 'liberal' Guardian and Independent. The BBC seems to be one of the last to hold out.

jdamn: And don't forget that the source of this article, with all its descriptions of the religious hatred involved, came from the UK media, albeit a regional paper.

Susanp: Maybe it would take this kind of thing happening to a daughter of one of our politicians for anyhting to change. But that is another mystery I find it impossible to fathom. Don't our politicians have children? Are they content to sacrifice their own children in this hideous experiment? Then again, even the ordinary people I know don't care about their children - apart from vaguely apoiling them. Westerners seem to have lost any concept of the future.

jdamn

thanks for those book links. I'd better get those books and make sure my daughters read them. (I already have 'Not Without My Daughter' - I also have 'Infidel' which I am going to encourage my 15 year old daughter to read).

I want my two lovely daughters to be strong and smart, wise and wary, with their heads screwed on tight!

When they reach marriageable age I would of course prefer them to marry Christian boys; I wouldn't stop them if they wanted to marry Jewish or Sikh or Hindu or Buddhist or Taoist or secular or Aboriginal Australian boys...but I would move heaven and earth to stop them if they showed any sign of being interested in a Mohammedan!

PS- please don't anyone take my most recent posting above, the wrong way.

I think I put it badly.

It boils down to this: given that my daughters have been raised in the Christian faith, all things considered, they would probably find life simpler with a partner of the same faith; but if their soul-mate turned out to be a non-Christian *non-Muslim* person of another faith - a Jew, say, or a Buddhist - I wouldn't try to stop them, such marriages can survive and thrive if both partners are sufficiently motivated.

(I think, jdamn, you mentioned that your own family was half Jewish and half Catholic and that this had been a pattern for some generations? And then one thinks of Aung San Suu Kyi, Buddhist, and her husband Michael Aris, Jewish: a beautiful human partnership; Michael let her fly like a man with a hunting eagle. My husband's friend from Uni, a convinced atheist, married a very devout lovely Catholic girl and her family did not object).

Whereas a Muslim husband is, simply, BAAAD news, Russian roulette, absolutely out of the question, not worth the appalling risk to life, limb and sanity (women in the UK with Muslim husbands were found to be EIGHT TIMES more likely to be murdered by their spouses, than women with husbands of any of the other faiths).

What a stupid girl. I'm sorry, I have no sympathy for idiots like her who go right into a lion's den when they should know better that Muslims are dangerous.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at November 12, 2008 6:48 PM

What a cruel, callous thing to say. Don't you know that girls in the West are naive and trusting and educated in a PC-way?

How is she to know what animals they are if the whole PC- world tought her that being anti-Islamic is the same as being 'racist?'

Short comments:
1. What is a Christian doing dating someone from another faith, specially a muslim?

2. What is the UK doing to prevente this from happening in the future? Where are you Gordon Brown?

3. How long until the UK realizes that they are being raped by islam?

4. How long till Christians realize that we can't rely on any state to defend us ?

sheik yer'mami:

How is she to know what animals they are if the whole PC- world tought her that being anti-Islamic is the same as being 'racist?'

Too true.

It doesn't matter how many times JW and others point out that Islam is not a race, in the UK 99% of Muslims are non-white. Therefore opposition to Islam equates to racism.

Yes, it's illogical.

Yes, it's annoying.

Yes, it hampers our efforts to expose Islam for what it is - namely an intolerant, domineering, violent, totalitarian, misogynistic, 7th century desert death cult founded by a war-mongering, hallucinating paedophile and followed by the brainwashed, the unstable and the bloodthirsty.

As racism has now been deemed one of the most heinous crimes imaginable, it is impossible for white British people to criticise Islam without being ostracised by the state and the media; in some cases you can also expect a visit from the police.

My heart is saying sorry for the victim and yet my head is saying "idiot".
Because our society has changed and it is more on the matriarchal society than the patriarchal one, western women especially have more freedom and power to do whatever they so wish to do. That is of course the major difference to an Islamic Society.
It angers me when I see women, brought up in Christian countries, who have become non Christian/agnostic/atheist or the such, because they cannot stand religion and then end up going out with Muslim men. Although the victim was a Polish catholic, the question still beggars that "What on earth was she thinking about going out with a Muslim"?
I know, she, like many young people, believe that the elders in the society, those who have lived and educated themselves don't know better than they and they feel that what they're doing, in order to 'unite' everyone in one big love bubble, is the right and only way.
My partner married a Muslim woman and hates it. An old friend of mine married a Muslim and had to convert although divorced and not together anymore. When are people going to realise that a leopard NEVER changes its spots?
It's completely beyond me that women in the West, in today's society, having all the freedoms they have, even think of going out with these oppressive men who belong to Islam. Are they mad?

This is the worst thing about London. It's a place where everyone all over the world comes to break from the shackles of law and culture in their own countries, only to come here and live anarchic lifestyles, because no one's watching them. They have no care whatsoever for the indigenous inhabitants of London, who are now leaving in their droves. Cockney is no longer the language of London. Jafaican has taken over.

What is it with western women who look at Muslim males and think, "oh, isn't he handsome. I can change him....". However they can't and end up becoming oppressed by them. Idiots, complete idiots and worse still, they then become the procreation vessels with which these Muslim males create their new Jihadis with which to help Islamise the UK and the West.

I have to say I have no sympathy for this woman and I hope that this sends a message to all Western women to stay away from Muslims as they will never change the way they are. I however feel that they will not.

A minimum of 19 1/2 years for a premeditated slaughter? I would think that a murder with "an exceptional degree of violence", that this vile excuse for a human being would receive the death penalty. I'm unfamiliar with the UK and their laws concerning the death penalty, perhaps someone with this info would like to enlighten. 19 1/2 years is an insult to justice.

U.K. pop. in 1910 - 41 million, in 2010 - 60 million, an increase of roughly 50%. Egypt pop. in 1910 - 11 million, in 2010 -65 million, an increase of about 500%.

It seems you are a few million out on that one. The UK's population in 2008 is 61.2 million and Egypt's currently 75.5 million.

Crusader wrote :

Short comments: 1. What is a Christian doing dating someone from another faith, specially a muslim? 2. What is the UK doing to prevente this from happening in the future? Where are you Gordon Brown? 3. How long until the UK realizes that they are being raped by islam? 4. How long till Christians realize that we can't rely on any state to defend us ?

1. If you look at my answer above you'll see. Because of the Christian 'love all' upbringing, this girl dated a Muslim because she know doubt felt that Islam at its heart is like Christianity is a peaceful religion. No doubt being in the UK and seeing the UK media lavish praise on them everyday, she had more reason to believe it was a Religion of Peace that was hijacked by Radicals. If only she knew how wrong she was. She found out the hard way and certainly won't be making that mistake again.

2. Gordon Brown will do nothing. He has just been begging to the Gulf for Sharia finance. Watch as the building planning for the Tablighi Jamaat Mosque goes ahead in East London as one of the Saudi's conditions for the cash. Remember that NuLabour rely on the Muslim vote to keep them in power so will say anything about Islam in order to keep them as their electorate. Then there's also the situation of "feeding the crocodile as as not to eat you". By doing this Brown is appeasing Islam, so as to pull the wool over he publics eyes and to make them think that Islam is peaceful and not a problem. The only problem is he's lit the fuse that will go off to a HUGE problem in the future. Also, no point in Broon doing anything about it as the Muslims will just say that what he did was wrong and he was NOT a Muslim. Same old same old.

3. The UK will realise it's being raped by Islam too late I feel. They are continually being fed false information by the government already. All the violent activities in the UK regarding Islam are being covered up, not reported as the people know the police will do nothing. I was attacked by a Muslim gang and stabbed seven times, as well as bottled, bricked, hit with poles and bats and required a lot of stitches. There was nothing in the local paper, no signs asking for help and the police put the case as a GBH and not attempted murder(like you can stab someone seven times and it's GBH?)not forgetting that the suspect got let off, even though they had his cap with his DNA. He told them it was stolen two weeks previous along with his mobile phone.
The public know nothing. Those that do are branded racists and Islamaphobes and ridiculed by others. It's a hopeless cause getting support from the Establishments.

4. As above, they won't know. One minute the troops are over in Iraq and Afghanistan, dying, as they fight Islam and yet we're allowing open jihad to spread and be preached throughout the UK. British bloggers are arrested for trying to warn the public(Lionheart) and yet people like Abu Qatada are allowed to stay in the UK, along with people like Anjem Choudary who openly speak of Jihad in the UK and overthrowing the establishment. If any Brit was to do that, he'd be in the nick faster than a sh*t out of a duck's arse.
I fear the only thing that will happen in the future is all out civil war, where the people will be fighting not only Islam but also the British Army and the Police as well. Let's hope when that happens the generals and Police Superintendents know what the real problem is and who the real enemy are. It will come, that's for sure. It's just a matter of when.

Spirit Of 1683

Is the population of the UK 61.2 million though?
The government hasn't a clue who's in the UK.
19 million tourists a year, of which many don't bother going home. The same can be said for students who don't go back either and not completing their course.
The government believes there are 1.8million Muslims in the UK. Anjem Choudary believes there to be nearly 7million. I put it at around 4-5million.
In a nutshell, uncontrolled immigration is destroying the UK and the West. All the immigrants from third world countries are coming here and we are in turn turning into a third world country too. I wonder why that is? Do you think it's got anything to do with immigration?
I reckon the population of the UK is nearer 70 million and not 60 million.

This is our NEW Europe ..... Multi-Culti - by any and all means ... It's literally killing us !!!!

From America: What a tragedy. My heart goes out to this young ladies family. I hope my brothers and sisters over in England see this as a wake up call. Your government has opened the flood gates to a sector of people that are responsible for so much of the world's violence, and we over here just do not understand. Well, we do, and the political correctness is literally killing you. We have some bad people come from Mexico, but we're slowing starting our own revolution (of course, Obama has taken us 10 steps back). It is doubtful that even if guns were legal over there that she would have been carrying one, but she COULD have been. One thing about slime over here, they always have to take that into consideration, and crime rates are lower, except for some notable cities (like Chicago or Detroit).
For you people that still want to turn your head, let me ask you this: the people that think like this psycho are 7th century throwbacks, how do you plan on "talking" or "negotiating" with someone so un-educated and ignorant? Answer: YOU CAN'T!!

This clearly calls for a massive outreach program to the millions of British Muslims who don't approve of such barbaric acts by their fellow misunstratanders of Islam, but won't raise a public voice against it

I would think that a murder with "an exceptional degree of violence", that this vile excuse for a human being would receive the death penalty.

champ,

The death penalty is one thing Europeans hold against America. They consider themselves more civilized, more enlightened, because most, if not all, have abolished the death penalty since WWII.
Great Britain totally abolished the death penalty in 1990. Between 1965 and 1990, the only crime that would merit the death penalty would be one such as treason.
The US remains among the "backward nations" that still impose the death penalty, but probably not for long.

Muhammad in some limited ways may have tried to better the lot of women (his witnesses-to-aldultery rule was certainly aimed at protecting his favorite wife from slanderous gossip), but Muslims seem inevitably to ignore that part of his teaching in favor of beating up and murdering females.
by Karl Pov

Wasn't the restriction allowing each man no more than four wives also seen as raising the status of women?

"The murder involved an exceptional degree of violence", perhaps motivated by a unique brand of ideological hatred?

But he was to become increasingly hostile when the pair became romantically involved.
-from the article

Sounds like a jealous lover. Any chance either or both of them are gay?

I believe their attitude to non muslim women of all races comes from the koran which I have read uses the same word for non muslim women as it does for whore. It is bred into them from childhood and the only answer is to teach them that the holy koran is complete s*** which our leaders dare not do.

We should remember they can be just as vicious with muslim girls who try to break out. Last year it was reported that an assimilated Muslim girl and her English partner had finally had police protection withdrawn after what has been for them a hellish seven years.

When her family found out about her relationship they locked her in the cellar while they decided what to do. She managed to escape through a window, got to her boyfriend's house and urged him to run away with her at that night. She was wise because within hours her brothers had arrived, smashed down the door of the house and introduced his widowed mother to “The man who was going to kill her son”. This man would be one of the Asian “investigators” who specialise in chasing such girls and they do not come cheap. Her brother's had sold their cars to pay for his services.

Nevertheless we must ask what seven years police protection cost the British taxpayer and why the police did not simply pull in her family and prosecute them. Smashing doors down and introducing widows to men who are going to kill their sons is generally considered illegal. That they did not prosecute shows how things are in Britain.

RichardtheLionheart

As I recently posted on another thread, based on food consumption, use of water, use of education and health services and believe it or not quantity of sewage being processed the UK’s population is quietly estimated at 80 million.

"Do these sickos get turned on at the sight of female infidel blood?"

Lucy,

I know this was probably a rhetorical question, but I've noted the overkill syndrome, too.

My guess is yes, they love female blood, as long as it's not menstrual blood. I think there's more at work than that, though.

I look at these things, and not all of the victims of Islamic Overkill are women. It looks to me as if (as though?) there's a kind of hysteria involved with Muslim "men", when it comes to killing the infidel with his hands.

Could it be that some of these wretched murderers are trying to fool "Allah", by killing the same victim more than once, in order to enter Paradise?

Trust a Muslim because he seems “moderate”? Remember what they must believe. Some are part of sleeper cells:

‘Cole said that the al Qaeda leaders gave Abu Ali two options: He could either become part of a martyr operation or he could establish a cell in the United States and he would "marry a Christian woman, assimilate into the community and he would be provided operatives." ‘

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/01/terror/main677450.shtml

If you try to warn women you can get in trouble – even the State Dept. can be intimidated:

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/cair-is-outraged-over-warning-against-marrying-muslims

Christians, with their “love all” teachings, esp. Catholics with their stupid bishops calling for “dialog” (always one way – the Muslim way) are especially vulnerable.

Again, the West must end Muslim immigration.

PMK -- thanks for that info!

"I would think that a murder with "an exceptional degree of violence", that this vile excuse for a human being would receive the death penalty."

Yes, you would think so. But instead,Jabari will go to prison where he and others like him will be allowed to continue to spread his jihad while being clothed and fed and protected to practice his faith. Prison is like a reward for the Jabaris of the world.

We need the death penalty for the same reason we need trash disposal...the accumulation of garbage is toxic to everyone. All people (and cultures, and belief systems, etc) are not morally equivalent, and the reality has always been that some people just need to be killed before civilization can hope to make progress.

Miira:

You are too kind in describing infidel girls who get involved with Mohamedans. Personally, I would only describe them in the terms that the Mohamedans themselves would use, which I find fitting. Although I am a non-Muslim, non-anything now, for that matter, I was born and spent a considerable portion of my formative years in hyper-conservative Upper Egypt. I tend to see all those who consort with the enemy, whatever the motive, as traitors, deserving of whatever fate their treason brings upon them.

Champ wrote:

A minimum of 19 1/2 years for a premeditated slaughter? I would think that a murder with "an exceptional degree of violence", that this vile excuse for a human being would receive the death penalty. I'm unfamiliar with the UK and their laws concerning the death penalty, perhaps someone with this info would like to enlighten. 19 1/2 years is an insult to justice.
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There is no death penalty in Britain any longer. This would be fine if "life in prison" actually meant life in prison without possibility of parole. Clearly, it does not. 19 1/2 years--you may remember the case of Afghan student journalist Sayed Pervez Kambaksh, who faces 20 years in an Afghan prison for "blasphemy"--for downloading an Iranian article on women's rights in Islam.
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Hugh wrote:

This business of hiding one's Muslim faith until, for the girl, it is too late, is apparently not rare. This is merely religion-sanctioned deception -- "war is deception" said the Perfect Man -- and a Muslim attempting to do what he has to do,including lying to a fiance or wife, so as to obtain permanent residence in the West, within which he may burrow at will, is merely engaging in one form of war or "struggle" or qitaal.

Perhaps other visitors know of similar cases elsewhere; some may even have been discussed at the websites run by ex-Muslims.
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The case was similar with Betty Mahmoody's Iranian husband. He never actually denied he was Muslim, but when she tried to take an interest in his heritage--learning the language, learning to cook Persian food--he made it clear that apart from keeping in touch with his relatives, that he had *no interest* in his own past, despised life in Iran, and was glad to be in modern, secular America.

Well, either he was lying, or he changed his mind after he got Betty to marry him and she had their first child. He took her back to Iran for a "visit", and had no intention of letting her or her child leave. "Not Without my Daughter" is well worth reading.
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Richard the Lionhearted wrote:

I was attacked by a Muslim gang and stabbed seven times, as well as bottled, bricked, hit with poles and bats and required a lot of stitches. There was nothing in the local paper, no signs asking for help and the police put the case as a GBH and not attempted murder(like you can stab someone seven times and it's GBH?)not forgetting that the suspect got let off, even though they had his cap with his DNA. He told them it was stolen two weeks previous along with his mobile phone.

The public know nothing. Those that do are branded racists and Islamaphobes and ridiculed by others. It's a hopeless cause getting support from the Establishments.
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God, Richard, I'm so sorry this happened to you! Did anyone nearby try to help or call the police, or were you all alone? Was this right in London? What is a GBH?

gravenimage:

GBH is 'Grievous Bodily Harm' a UK criminal offence category.

This is one reason why a lot of us Christian fundamentalists in America are not in the least ashamed that Texas and a number of states retain the death penalty (the only caveat I'd throw in is be sure that the prosecution proves its case beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt). The murderer in this case really does deserve a long drop and a short tow.

But, is it really true that had persons passed by while the crime was being committed, British law would have forbidden their intervention to stop it? Say it ain't so!

gravenimage,

Thank you for your concern it's touching. However, although it was bad the only thing that was hurt was my pride. no one came to my aid, I was alone and I was inebriated. I'd been out all day celebrating good news with friends so had ALOT to drink. In a way I'm glad I was drunk when it happened for the simple reason that although outnumbered, I would have won as I'm more than capable, but the thing was that had I been sober, I'd certainly have killed a few and I'd be banged up for manslaughter in some prison in the UK. That's how they treat victims here, they lock you up for self defence. It's different in the states.
There was a group of young me on bikes who rode right past, but then that's typical here. There are lots of effeminate men who wouldn't get involved. They could see I needed help as I was surrounded, but the tell tale signs were the streams of blood falling down my face from head wounds.
A person weaker could have died in my situation and had the blade gone an inch right or left to the initial wounds, then I may not even have been here, but then, I'm lucky and maybe here for a reason. Who knows, maybe this attack was a sign to say that we need another William Wallace or a Richard Lionheart to fight for the British people against our enemies.

Thank you.

P.S. GBH is Grievious Bodily harm which of course this attack wasn't as it was wounding with a deadly weapon intent on killing in my eyes.

This is the first time I have commented on a J/Watch posting. Some of the comments in this thread have been excellent particularly those by 'Richard The Lionheart'(RtL). FYI I live in Bradford, often called 'Bradistan', a city in West Yorkshire eight miles from Leeds where this murder happened. Bradford is one of the major Islamic centres in the UK. We have had three major incidents of race rioting in this city in the past 8 yrs.

I agree with RtL about the very dubious population statistics in this country and the gross underreporting of Asian (predominantly Muslim) immigrants. There was considerable concern about the accuracy of the 2001 cencus and govt. funding decisions based on it. The situation got even more ridiculous recently with the influx of East European workers into UK when Poland etc joined the EU. Boroughs such as Reading, Slough etc in Southern England were grossly underfunded to cope with all the East Europeans and their families who needed homes, doctors, hospitals, schools etc. The govt. estimated 13000 immigrants would come from East Europe - nearly 1million actually came !! During this furore it emerged that the Home Office & the ONS (Office of National Statistics) do not even survey numbers of persons arriving/departing the country from all departure points. Many of the Poles were missed because they came from Warsaw by coach & ferry not through Heathrow airport. It is even worse with the Asian's. They have no valid birth certificates (sound like a Presidential candidate !). The women are all called 'Begum' or 'Bibi'. There are only about a dozen male first names. They are regularly caught 'lending' their children to one another to facilitate false benefit claims. The UK of course does' not have a universal ID document and their is no requirement to carry such ID even if it existed. Family trees are a joke. Muslim Asians regularly marry cousins. We know that happens because such regular and repeated close inbreeding leads to children with mental health problems and Muslim children are way above National average in such stats.

Finally (yes I know I have gone on for quite a while) I happen to live just a mile from someone who is well known on your side of the pond. Dr Richard North of EUReferendum.blog is a near neighbour.

British citizenship: you get that as a free gift with the cornflakes!

Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book, "Infidel", published in 2007, is one of the very best on the subject of radical Muslim mistreatment of women.

This book needs to be read by anyone who desires a thorough understanding of the root cause of this evil.

Her truth, as an ex-radical-Muslim, is so powerful and compelling, that she now must live in seclusion with 24 hour bodyguards.

Speaking her truth was the reason Theo Van Gogh was murdered. He produced the film she scripted, Submission (easy to find on UTube).

gravenimage

Ref, GBH

A little OT but to help you and others understand the kind of government we have in the UK. They have bypassed the traditional Civil Servants and paid zillions to "consultants" and "specialists" to tell them how to run the country. The result is that every government function is given targets. If they do not meet them they are in trouble but they cannot understand that the ordinary Joe has centuries experience of seeing off "experts".

My point - by recording RtL's attack as GBH instead of the more serious crime it looks a lot better in the Local Police Targets. Just to show you what they have done to policing there was a call to BBC Radio 4 yesterday and get this!

A woman told how 2 years ago her son threw a snowball in the school playground that accidentally hit a girl. She was not hurt and he apologised, but her parents (boneheads!) complained to the police. Two days later the boy was arrested, taken to the police station, fingerprinted, DNA tested and recorded and issued with a caution for GBH! The same level of attack RtL suffered!

Insane? Maybe but that would go into the local police statistics as a "solved crime" and help their target figures. This is not an isolated case so you can see why no sane person believes any government figures.

In the U.K, it a common scam for Pakistanis's to marry Eastern European immigrants as it gives them guaranteed residency rights under E.U law.
This story might give the context.

"€10,000 bogus marriage offer for Latvian girls"
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/836410000-bogus-marriage-offer-for-latvian-girls-1372358.html

If just one event such as this— 'honor' killing or similar act of freelance shari'ah, could be thwarted in a suitably dramatic fashion, there might be a seismic shift in public awareness.
We know most of the circumstances in which something like this has the potential to happen, and with those warning signs we should be able to spot a genuine threat and get the victim out of harm's way.

You know what's giving me the creeps?

I was thinking over Hugh's post with the story about the Muslim guy who 1. pretended to be a Hindu then 2. pretended to convert to Christianity then 3. the moment he had his Christian American girlfriend well and truly 'in the bag', "surprise! I'm a Muslim and I was never anything else".

Then I thought about the other story posted above, the business with the woman in Ireland, where the guy swore black and blue he was a Greek Christian, not a Muslim - until he had the girl under his power.

And, of course, the many stories recounted by the author jdamn mentioned, 'Cassandra'; Phyllis Chesler's review noted that woman after woman discovered that the moment she was married to the man, he turned into a monster; just like Betty Mahmoody's husband did, not while they lived in the USA, but as soon as he got her back to Iran where she was completely under his thumb.

And then I thought about the handsome, silver-tongued Obama's whirlwind wooing of the American electorate...and saw some eerie similarities.

dear god I hope I'm wrong.

>But, is it really true that had persons passed by while the crime was being committed, British law would have forbidden their intervention to stop it? Say it ain't so!

It ain't so, as long as 'reasonable force' is used. Even in these wishy-washy PC times, I'm sure those witnesses would've been in the clear had they intervened with strong physical force. But their non-intervention could've been caused by *fear* of being prosecuted... a product of these aforementioned wishy-washy PC times.

I cannot blame this poor girl for her naivete and ignorance. The news media, academia, and governments of Europe and America refuse to acknowledge, much less expose, the deadly scourge of islam and as we all well know, anyone who tries to disseminate the truth is excoriated, accused of racism, islamophobia, bigotry, hate and ignorance. I would wager that most girls in America are just as ignorant as she was about the deadly perils of islam and muslim men. For that matter, so are most adults.

Our children are not learning the truth about islam because they aren't hearing the truth about islam. They learn in school that islam is a peaceful, benign, mainstream religion but in their revisionist history classes, islam's 1400 years of perpetual warfare and supremacist, predatory doctrine are not mentioned. They learn that the Christian Crusaders invaded muslim lands and slaughtered innocent muslims, and let's not forget the Inquisition. They are indoctrinated in cultural Marxism and reminded every day that diversity is strength, all religions and cultures are equal, and we have no right to impose Western values and culture on non-Western immigrants by expecting them to assimilate. It is now considered oppressive to ask immigrants to learn our language and adapt to our culture; they are actually encouraged not to! This invalidates our E. pluribus unum motto and the melting pot precept that has turned disparate immigrants into Americans for centuries. Considering their historically inaccurate textbooks and the left-wing, self-hating, politically correct attitudes of many of their teachers, I understand why today's youth might ultimately conclude that islam is a religion of peace and Christianity and Western Civilization are responsible for all of the the world's problems. Twelve years of public education teach today's children that their country is an imperialist bully that kills innocent civilians by the millions; it was built with the blood, sweat, and tears of expendable slaves; it expropriates the resources of other countries without recompense; it allows poor citizens to starve and go without health care; it committed genocide against native Americans and stole their land; and it was founded by slave-owning, wealthy, white men. They learn only positive, flattering, or innocuous factoids about other cultures, including islam, and most other countries are depicted as victims of the U.S. at some point in history. Twelve years of indoctrination are bound to have an adverse effect and when they go off to college, it gets even worse.

They see muslims accused of terrorism and jihad related crimes aquitted; they see arrogant muslims being awarded "damages" by their employers for religious discrimination; they see CAIR spokesmen on televsion lying about the nonexistent persecution of innocent muslims in America; they hear politicians pandering to muslims and extolling their contributions to American society. In Europe, hate speech laws inhibit candid discourse about islam and anything that might offend muslims is off limits, even if it is the irrefutable truth. So why should we expect this poor girl or our own young people to have any accurate knowledge or fear of islam and muslims when every authority figure they encounter tells them that muslims are nice people, islam means peace, and racism and islamophobia are despicable crimes deserving of the most severe penalties. Most adults do not fully understand the threat of islam and only the ones that do can adequately warn their children.

This poor girl was a victim of the reckless, callous incompetence and lies of the media, educators, and government officials. They failed to protect her from the predators they invited to invade the U.K. to enhance its multicultural charm. Instead of arming her with the knowledge she needed to protect herself from these savage aliens, they guard, defend, and coddle the deadly barbarians and their hallowed "sensitivities" like clucking mother hens. It is criminal and unconscionable.

Thank you ivan the yid from bradford for your words.

Firstly, I hope you enjoy your time here on JW. There are many on here who see the dangerous threat to the security and freedom of the West from Islam and many are actually trying to do something by letting others no, via word of mouth and letters to others in positions of power to do something.
Secondly, yes Bradistan, I know of it well, once a Northern Town, renowned for its Yorkshire spirit and being very English, is now becoming an Islamic state within the UK. I pity you having to live there, or should I say, having to put up with Muslims, who have no respect for Non Muslims.
Like I, you have also stated the serious problem of a 'blackout' on Islam in the UK. You have also of course commented on the pathetic situation we are in regarding immigration. I strongly recommend that you read The Great Immigration Scandal by Steve Moxon. It is a very good read and shows just how our NuLabour government have betrayed the very people they are supposed to protect. Although I am angry at the large influx of Eastern Europeans, I'd gladly have every Muslim removed and their place taken by Polish people, as they are hard working, very friendly and Christian origin people.
I know all too well of benefit scamming in the UK, by Muslims as I have friends who work there, but unfortunately they can do nothing as they are controlled by the superiors, in turn controlled by government ministers.
The problem with Islam is grave, but by you joining JihadWatch and posting here, you have shown defiance to the government's appeasement and are another to join the cause of hopefully either restricting Islam seriously in the West, or even better, its complete removal.

Thank you

Good post Fred (November 13, 2008 5:41 PM)

I am waiting for confirmation from the IPCC regarding this situation, but you are very correct in everything you have written. The Police Force like every other government controlled establishment have no interest in doing their job, but instead looking good with statistics and of course earning money. Our whole system in the UK, one of integrity has been ripped asunder, not just by NuLabour but also from the Convsevatives before them. This is why I'm leavng the UK, as the police are corrupt and not interested in mine or the public's safety whatsoever. I am appalled by the 'snowball' incident, not just for the fact that the parents reported it to the Police but also for the boy being DNA's, fingerprinted and charged with GBH. It's disgusting, absolutely disgusting.

Fred wrote:

Insane? Maybe but that would go into the local police statistics as a "solved crime" and help their target figures.
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Good post, Fred. I have read of these appalling policies by the British police elsewhere, as well.

This would be terribly galling for my grandfather, who was a police superintendent in England in the 1940s--he was also head of what would now be called "homeland security" (at least in the States). He organized civilian patrols and they had the town air raid siren mounted on the roof of the family home.

I never met him--he died before I was born. But from everything I have heard, he was an honest and tough-minded man. He wasn't much of a fan of even the rather minimal amount of paperwork he had to deal with at the time.

He would have had no patience with this sort of pettifogging, statistics-juggling sort of rot that is so common today.

The worst of it is that this sort of bureaucratic idiocy is causing real pain to law-abiding citizens, with police not only making no effort to solve serious crimes, but often refusing to even take reports. And I have heard of many reports that are filed being bowlderized out of all recognition by officers who refuse to note salient information given by eyewitnesses, such as to the severity of the crime or possible identity of the perpetrators (such as their being "Asian").

It's only a little bit better here across the pond. When my husband was mugged a couple of years ago, the dispatcher told us right up front that they were not going to search for the perpetrators. We could still file a report if we wished, and the information might possibly be useful if the perpetrators were picked up for something else.

He filed the report anyway. Of course, we never did hear back, although there were a spate of similar robberies in the area.

When are European nations and the United States going to quit kowtowing to these Islamic swine? Why are more allowed to immigrate in to the west since they seem to hate all of our principles and want to change everything to suit their distorted views of how humans should live? Now the US has allowed 80,000 Somalia Muslims into the US to forevermore cause us trouble and be a drain on society & resources. Don't we have anyone in government that has any idea what this cult is all about? I've seen both Bush and Blair claim that Islam is a religion of peace, hard to have hope when we have leaders saying they believe that.

God above, is there NO end to the cowardace & depravity of these fools? I wonder what more proof the world at large needs, that these people are both a ticking bomb in our midst with NO intention of assimilating...and diametricaly opposed to everything the other 5 billion people on the planet believe in, hold dear, and fought to establish rights for....
The man disapproves of his flatmate's girl..so he doesn't have huge row, he doesn't try to appeal to or educate his friend religiously, doesn't bring in the local imam, or whatever, he just sets her up, murders her, then defaces the body!
Let him serve his time. Tattoo in Scarlet red ink across his face his crime; Have a tamper-proof acid (or other)bomb inserted in his brain-stem, keyed to a radio signal that reaches 100 miles from the UK shores, them deport his butt back to "Sand-i-stan"
A little extreme? PErhaps, but no more so than strangling and defacing the body of a teen he didn't care for...simply because of her religion and choices.

With regard to Hugh's posting of November 12 8.32 pm above, and jdamn on '33 Secrets Arab Men Never Tell American Women', and Silvester's posting about the Lebanese Muslim who pretended to be a 'Greek Christian' until he had his Latvian girlfriend well and truly in his clutches:

I just found something in the jihadwatch archives from 2006 that bears posting in this thread, for the similarities with the story posted by Silvester, from Ireland, and the story related by Hugh, are eerie.

There are Arab Muslims in Israel who are stalking, deceiving, seducing (or raping). kidnapping, enslaving and abusing vulnerable Jewish girls. And the Arab Muslim women join in the abuse with sadistic enthusiasm.

Usually the men pose as Jews to begin with - and some of them do it very cleverly. "War is deception"...

I found this out while perusing the archives here at jihadwatch this very evening - a poster here, in 2006, posted a link which took me to a Jerusalem Post article (by Sarah Katz
 - August 7, 2003) about a Jewish organisation - Yad b'Yad - which was then making valiant efforts to rescue these girls (who are usually at-risk teenagers, 12-17, many of them under-age).

Here's the link:
http://www.jewishmediaresources.com/ncarticle/629/

Here's one of the stories it contains:

"At age 11, Yael would buy groceries to bring back to her home in Gilo. She formed a friendship which blossomed into a romantic relationship after four years with an employee of the grocery.

"He identified himself as Yossi, a blonde observant Jew who 'spoke to me in excellent Hebrew about Shabbat and kiddush and seemed to know more about Jewish learning than I did,' Yael told The Jerusalem Post.


"
Four months into her pregnancy, at age 18, Yael discovered that her boyfriend was actually an Arab when she read his identification card.
"Yael spent the remainder of her pregnancy in an Arab village, in close proximity to her home in Gilo, where she was 'treated like a queen.' 



"During her pregnancy, said Yael, her boyfriend forced her to pray in a mosque, dressed in Arab clothing.

"'He threatened, 'you must become Muslim for the baby - there can't be two religions.' ' 



"Two days after she gave birth, Yossi moved Yael into a different home in the same village.
"

'I saw a woman and her three small children - Yossi's wife and family.
"They took my child and told me from then on I was to be their slave.
" If I didn't cook using the right amount of salt, they would kick me, hit me, and burn my skin with cigarettes,' said Yael."...END QUOTE.

The dream of many a Muslim Arab woman, it appears, is to have a Jewish girl as slave, to hurt and humiliate. Sounds just like those harpies in the Sudan who ululate triumphantly and sing insulting songs while they watch their 'Arab' Muslim men, from the janjaweed, gang-raping the Darfuri black Muslim, or the S Sudanese black Christian, women.

::spit::

BTW, I have also posted this story on the thread about the Egyptian Arab woman who was urging Arab Muslim men to sexually harass the Jewish girls so that the Jews would leave Israel.