Vietnam veteran denied right to visit grave of sailor son who was killed in U.S.S. Cole bombing for displaying bumper stickers deemed "offensive" to Islam

the man sacrificed repeatedly and is sacrificing now, to bring a needed message to the naive.

Idiots who couldn't cut it in law enforcement in the real world write and enforce these kinds of inexcusable base policies. Thomson, may you nail their sorry asses to a tree.

In the meantime, the calls for Muslims to slay infidels continue being made openly in Western countries without anything or anyone to hinder such calls.

That's a disgrace.

Wow.

And some of you Americans think we Brits are doomed to Dhimmitude? You're heading the same way as we are - unless together, we start to resist.

Retribution NOW Pigman style.

Dhimmi yep
By the way countless imans dureing ramadan made speeches in arabic in our captals in front of our politicians celebrateing islams defeat ands butchering of us infidels but noooooo thats ok.

By the way notice obamas chirf of staff talking about mandatory service to his civilian corps domestic military 25 and under everyone but what no one gets is the talk about showing what its like to be american teaching appreciation to be american code word indoctrination to the lefts agenda useing military force but my friends there is poetic justice here im a ny cab driver and every time i tell these obamaites about thisd they flip out eyes bulge out it is a really beautiful thing dseeing it dawn in there eyes they been duped one girl was crying i hate to be malicious but i am rnjoying myself deeply its a wonderful thing and by the way why is nationalism now good when they kept claiming it was very bad.

Vietnam veteran denied right to visit grave of sailor son who was killed in U.S.S. Cole bombing for displaying bumper stickers deemed "offensive" to Islam

Does the lunacy never stop?

Just throwing this out there for this evenings discussion; maybe Robert missed it earlier in the week, (seminars and everything).

Did you know Alan 'Johnston'; BBC Gaza eye on the ground, Intifada reporting, 'objective' Hamas kidnap victim was a muslim?.

http://sheikyermami.com/tag/alan-johnston/

Sent this to two ex-gyrenes of my acquaintance. Tol dhtem to get away from anything breakable before they read it.

Unutterably disgraceful.

The foregoing, sans typos:

Sent this to two ex-gyrenes of my acquaintance. Told them to get away from anything breakable before they read it.

Unutterably disgraceful.

It is likely that Obama and crew will accelerate
dhimmitude, and even consider adopting the United Nation's ban on 'blaspheming' Islam....This will require vigilance on the part of 'watchmen on the wall' type people who can discern things in the social and spiritual realms.

See the agenda that the left is preparing for Obama's transition into government:

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2008/changeforamerica/

The 1st Amendment was crafted to specifically protect "offensive material". If speech is not offensive it doesn't need protection.

Posted by: Bosch Fawstin !

Great site Mr. Fawstin.

Cowboy

I left a comment at the website above, though I don't suppose it will be published.
Of the three mottoes on the decals quoted above, it seems likely that the one most objected to is likely to be "Islam=Terrorism". Because it contradicts the superior wisdom of the present POTUS who assured us that Islam is a religion of peace.
And yet the decal is more in line with the holy Hadith, ie - the word of Mohammed, who said: " I have been made victorious by terror!" Is Dubya supposed to be a higher authority on Islime than old Mo?

"the Base Magistrate issued a written order ordering Nieto to remove his vehicle from the base until all decals were removed."

At least the magistrate is described by an apt adjective (base).

From the article:
"Further, the suit charges that the military’s ban on “offensive” speech is impermissible because there are no objective standards guiding government officials’ decisions, thus granting them “unbridled discretion” to determine the acceptability or the unacceptability of speech, a statement from the Thomas More Law Center reports."

Excellent points. Furthermore, when was a law introduced to give anyone the right not to be offended?

A good illustration of Islam=terrorism was in today's Daily Telegraph. About a young boy who grows up a normal innocent fun loving kid. His only education was the Koran, like many in rural pakistan. He wanted to learn more about his idol, Mohammed so enrolled at the local Madrassa. He graduated a fully indoctrinated Jihadist. He and a comrade in arms, armed with AK47s and suicide bomb vests were soon launched at the Serena Hotel in Kabul. For some reason he took off his vest and awaited arrest after shooting many people (though the other guy detonated his) and we can now hear his story first hand as a journalist interviews him in jail.

See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/3447679/The-failed-suicide-bomber-who-changed-the-war-on-terror-in-Afghanistan.html

Such a typical tale, almost a template for hundreds of thousands like him. Who can argue that islam as taught in the Madrassas and all over the world, is anything but a civilizational threat

Holy hell should be raised about this. And it will be, but likely only by some not-always-quite-convincing talk show hosts, whose rapid and hysterical patter are aimed at their own True Believers, when instead of making it a predictably "right-wing" matter, it ought to enrage everyone, whatever their views on taxes, abortion, or other such matters.

This policy is disgusting and idiotic and cruel. It ought to be ended, and if it takes a case, a polarizing case, so be it. And the main lawyer should be someone who has suffered from a similar menace in the past, preferably someone with ties to Obama. I'd recommend Lawrence Tribe, who should take the case pro bono, as a way to remember his parents' flight from the Nazis and Japanese miitarists, to Shanghai and then to the freedom, and now imperilled freedoms, of America.

To many, the 1st amendment is commonly misunderstood to mean that "I can say whatever I want, whenever I want, to whomever I want."

But that is not the case.

The 1st amendment protects you from the government.

In this case, the government has overstepped its authority. I believe this marine veteran will win in court.

Just when I thought I'd heard all the stupidity I could stand....this story pops up.

Let's see, his son was killed BY islamists, jihadi's. He's not allowed to mention this or he can't visit the grave.

PC run amok once again. When will it stop?? Probably not for at least 4 years I figure.

Two of the slogans, as described, are nothing other than flat statements of demonstrable, recent historical fact.

"Remember the Cole, 12 Oct 2000" and “We Died, They Rejoiced.”

A fact is a fact is a fact.

'Islam = Terrorism' is slightly more debatable; but as StephenA55 has pointed out, there are plenty of approving references to the use of terror, by Mohammed and others, in the Islamic 'sacred' texts; furthermore, once one starts examining in detail the history of the Ummah's dealings with its neighbours, and of its own internecine relations, one finds political terror - extreme violence, extreme cruelty, deliberately employed by this or that Muslim ruler, gang or army, to punish people and/ or frighten them into submission - everywhere one looks.

And some of you Americans think we Brits are doomed to Dhimmitude? You're heading the same way as we are - unless together, we start to resist.

Un:dhimmi,

No one here has ever denied that. So, when does the resistance start in Britain? We defer to you.

How long will it be before the US flag is offensive material?

As a former Marine Desert Storm Vet I am appalled that something like this would happen! Where is the base CO's nutsack. This is not the USMC I remember.

Snappy

How long will it be before the US flag is offensive material?
Posted by: PMK

Obama thinks it is now.

We need to offend Muslims much, much more.

Amen to that!

Camp Lejeune's commanding general's phone number is 910-451-2527. It is not published...your welcome. PS The office is probably not manned as of this hour. Business hours Friday and next week OK.

I may be able to get email address later. Be civil.

I see the emotional divining rod has now been passed to the military.

Take a look at the complaint filed on Jesse Nieto's behalf by the Thomas More Law center ( http://www.thomasmore.org/downloads/sb_thomasmore/ComplaintonBehalfofJesseNieto.pdf ).

The fundamental problem with all "hate crime" legislation is displayed clearly in paragraph 21:

21. During this appearance, Plaintiff asked Defendant Hessen what the criteria were for finding the decals “offensive.” Defendant Hessen responded, “It’s just what I think,” or words to that effect.

Call me skeptical, but I don't believe Defendant Hessen was thinking at all; if Hessen had been honest, he would have said "It's just what I feel".

I have a question for those in academia, in media, and now in our government who think this kind of stuff makes for a better society: what happens when we all start making up our own rules, and living based on how we feel? Suppose we don't feel like going to work, or paying our taxes, or putting up with these type of extra-legal rules that bureaucrats think are the right thing to do? What happens when half the population doesn't feel like living in peace with the other half?

You cannot expect all non-Muslims to indulge in the kind of cognitive dissidence it takes to find Jesse Nieto's decals offensive.

I'm starting to believe we need another establishment clause; one that puts a wall of separation between stupidity and state. If you're in government and cannot face the reality that violent Islamic scriptures animate a lot of violence by Muslims; quit and find a different job. It may save you from feeling intensely guilty at some point in the future. Otherwise, start using some common sense, before our whole society pays the price.

This type of rule fractures the cohesiveness that makes our armed forces effective, and makes enemies of the people you depend on for support and protection.

Political Correctness has gone screwball and common sense has gone AWOL.

"I'm starting to believe we need another establishment clause, one that puts a wall of separation between stupidity and state."
-- from a poster just above

Mission Impossible. But a pleasing notion, nonetheless. But so many government officials would be constantly violating that new establishment clause, that the courts would be full of cases about nothing else.

WTF! NFW! OMG! The shores of Tripoli one of the finest hours of the United States Marines, forgotten so easily by the Commanding Officer and Top Brass.

The Islamic Jihad continues, silence all critics of Islam from writers, to lawyers, to ordinary people to almost everyone; whilst, Muslims in Western countries can mouth off anti western hate and hate against non Muslims at the same time threats against those who publish factual books on Islam about the atrocities committed by Muslims from India to Europe and the United States. WOW!

Jess Nieto,

Are you a JW reader or poster under some other name by chance. If so please do tell.

And more power to your elbow.

"“Islam=Terrorism” and “We Died, They Rejoiced.”"

Anyone who followed the news after 9/11/2001 knows the latter is true.

"Islam=Terrorism," while not literally true because terrorism is a tactic, is true in the sense that Islamic doctrine commands and glorifies terrorism against non-Muslims:

3:151. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

7:4. How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them.

8:12 When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

8:60. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

33:26. And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allah brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.

59:2. He it is Who hath caused those of the People of the Scripture who disbelieved to go forth from their homes unto the first exile. Ye deemed not that they would go forth, while they deemed that their strongholds would protect them from Allah. But Allah reached them from a place whereof they recked not, and cast terror in their hearts so that they ruined their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers. So learn a lesson, O ye who have eyes!

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

I'm with the MPs & the Base Magistrate on this one. After all, it's been some time since bush quite clearly decreed that "ours is a nation that believes in tolerance and understanding. In America we welcome people of all faiths. ... [W]e believe in a free press. We also recognize that with freedom comes responsibilities. With freedom comes the responsibility to be thoughtful about others." See here.

And he is the commander-in-chief, not to mention the decider.

"I'm with the MPs & the Base Magistrate on this one." --shiek yer booty

Are you joking?

This is disgusting. The man can't even display stickers on his car without punishment whilst openly treasonous, jihad-inciting imams urge war against the infidels in mosques across America and elsewhere in the West every week.

What a bloody disgrace. We can't win if such stuff continues to happen. We're just shooting ourselves in the foot.

How 'bout the 2008 Muslim Day Parade in NYC? THEY GET TO HOLD UP THESE SIGNS??? Good God America has gone insane.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023078.php

"...to be thoughtful about others"

Does Truth need to consider the feelings of others? No, and especially not in this case. Islam does equal terrorism, and it's time that we all face this fact.

Will the ACLU support Mr. Thompson in his quest for free speech?

Doubtful.. highly doubtful..

Vietnam veteran denied right to visit grave of sailor son who was killed in U.S.S. Cole bombing for displaying bumper stickers deemed "offensive" to Islam

Someone needs to hang; and I don't think it is the Marine.

The focus in the posts above has been on the sticker saying "Islam=Terorism" but I would point out that the gentleman in question was told to remove them ALL.

It is indeed correct that in the military one must obey all lawful orders-- whether one agrees with them or not-- and that military personnel do not have the same freedom of expression as civilians; that is part of the job. So, the commander and MPs were within their technical rights to give the order to remove all decals from the car and even to ban the car for failure to obey such an order.

Nonetheless, circumstances sometimes occur which make a need to fight even lawful orders. Billy Mitchell became a hero after the fact for doing just this. The case seems to me similar here. The defense will present the prefectly correct argument that the commander and MPs had every right to do what they did. Therefore Nieto's lawyers must show why he is right to resist the orders given.

I hope Mr. Nieto wins his case. He should, but I frankly doubt very much if he will. The officers were within their rights to give the orders and the political views of the day favor those orders. That was true in Billy Mitchell's case as well-- right up until 12/7.

A few good men-tals?

Someone in the USMC brass is tarnished by p.c. cowardice.

Islam is an offense to human liberty and decency.

Read the Koran and be repelled, jarheads.

Moshec,

You seem to overlook a couple of salient points in your post above.

Firstly, Mr Nieto challenged the orders to take down the signs in his capacity as a civilian working on the camp, having retired from the marines some years ago. (1994)
Secondly, according to the Complaint PDF document linked to above, there were all kinds of bumper stickers on many other vehicles at the camp - political, sexual, religious, humorous; much of it offensive to various groups. Eg: "Why experiment on animals when there are so many Democrats?"
Yet only the Islam-critical signs were considered bannable, for reasons or criteria unexplained.

Nieto is asking for fairness and consistency.

Too much to ask?

It is indeed correct that in the military one must obey all lawful orders-- whether one agrees with them or not-- and that military personnel do not have the same freedom of expression as civilians; that is part of the job. So, the commander and MPs were within their technical rights to give the order to remove all decals from the car and even to ban the car for failure to obey such an order.
Posted by: MosheC

Note that Mr. Nieto is a civilian
"Since 1994 Nieto has been a civilian employee at the Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune in North Carolina."

He is no longer in the military, however if one wants to enter a military base, one must obey the rules and regulations of that installation. Sure they can tell him he's not allowed to drive on base with those stickers on his car. They're asshats for doing so, but then military intelligence is and oxymoron.

Is the military preventing him from visiting his son's grave? No. The military is forbidding him from taking the car with the stickers onto military installations. I don't see anywhere that he is forbidden from walking onto a base or getting a ride in someone elses car. Sure, he should go ahead with his lawsuit - it's his privilege and his right. He should also find an acceptable (to the military) means of transportation and pay his respects to his son.

My niece is 5. This summer her tantrums started to begin with a new twist: "Why are you making me break the rules." Of course, with my brother that tactic is a non-starter. She tries it twice and it's time-out. This is a similar situation. The military is saying "our house - our rules". I do the same - just try lighting a cigarette in my house - I may throw a bucket of water on you before I politely ask you not to smoke in my home. Sue me.

MosheC,
Jesse Nieto is a civilian.

President Bush,
Citizens of the United States have no statutory or regulatory mandate "to be thoughtful to others." We have laws based on objective actions and interaction with others. Still, Jesse Nieto is being thoughtful by voicing his opposition to a violent philosophy in a peaceful manner.

Just as Marxists try to eliminate competition for money and unwittingly release the competitive spirit for raw political and military power; the over-sensitive speech censors may succeed in trampling free speech, and in doing so loose far worse horrors on us and between us than a few hurt feelings.

T hope that any reader who is a veteran is publicizing this matter at his/her local American Legion or VFW post.

Why should anyone be suprised by this? The public stood by and allowed the military to ban Confederate decals on cars, and there was hardly a peep from anyone.
When are people going to realize that when you allow government to violate one persons freedom of speech, they concede to government the power to ban everyones freedom of speech.

Thanks Cowboy

Mr. Nieto needs to get the public behind him on this. One thing base commanders fear is public outrage, especially over a issue of preventing a father from visiting his son's grave. If the base commander gets a thousand phone calls and reporters wanting to question him I can guarantee this grandee will fold like like a tent if he doesn't want to look like shit heel.

Court isn't a good idea in this case IMO. The USMC has tremendous legal resources and they can tie up Neito for a decade and by the time its settled the base commander will be retired and making millions working for Lockheed.

As for the "my house my rules" crowd. They don't get Neito has broken no military regs only a arbitrary rule by a politically correct asshole of a commander and his MP stooges. These arbitrary rules serve no other purpose than to harass those the base commander doesn't like for some reason. And the fastest way to break these rules is to expose them to the public.

While Jesse's bumper stickers have a ring to them, I will stand by the old favorite:

>>> "No muslims. No mosques."

“The banning of these decals is political correctness run amuck in the military,”

No, the banning of these means cultural marxism and social engineering.

I will certainly be calling Camp Lejeune!!! This Is Outrageous!!!

As Jesse Nieto is a 25 year Marine veteran, I will make the assumption that he is NOT merely a civilian, but is a military retiree.

While I hope the law suit works out in his favor, let's not besmirch the reputations of Camp Lejune's C.O. and the base Magistrate.

They, too, work for higher authorities and despite whatever our personal opinions might be--and theirs--they have obligations that none of us here are likely aware.

Their hands are also likely tied by events and situations over which they have no control:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=F0890F5F-855D-4CC5-9F6F-F028BAEB7F70

PRCS
USN (Ret)

richard

"He should also find an acceptable (to the military) means of transportation and pay his respects to his son."

So let me get this straight. We can bomb pakistani villages with unmanned drones and that's ok yet drive onto a US military base to visit a dead son , with car stickers, is really really bad....

That makes sense.

"let's not besmirch the reputations of Camp Lejune's C.O. and the base Magistrate."

Even though they acted like assholes?

Not shocking, just a sad day for the Marines and The US military overall. Mr. Nieto has been singled out because his sticker is anti muslim, anti religion of peace(that's a lie!)and may(hopefully) offend the muslims and islam. Boo Hoo!
This is in step the government's move to ban all bad, or in "poor" taste refrences to islam amd muslims. Sorry, but these words speak the very truths about islam and how the vast majority of muslims around the globe feel about us. I recall after the U.S.S Cole attack, the islamofacists throughout the middle east were rejoicing in these AMERICAN deaths and handing out candy to celebrate! There may be other factors that we are not aware of but nonetheless this is just a horrible thing to have happen. May Mr. Nieto be vindicated and find victory in this fight. He is taking a stand not just for his son who was killed by islamofacism while serving his country, but in many ways for each of us who honor and love our country, liberties and freedom.

Their hands are also likely tied by events and situations over which they have no control: posted above

Does this hearken back to banning the "jihad" word that was so brilliantly thought of?

end sarc.

When you join the U.S. military you take an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution.

I will add that you are also asked if you have ever belonged to an organization that advocates the violent overthrow of the U.S. Government. I honestly do not see how one may be a Muslim and not answer yes to that question.

Like many of our government officials, the Base Magistrate does not see the Constitution as a guideline to follow and likely despises the principles outlined by our Constitution and Declaration of Independence. He sees these documents as obstacles to outwit and get around.

One may try to excuse his behavior by claiming that he is serving the powers that be. Remember that if two parties, individuals or groups, hold the same principles, the winning of a disagreement will go to the more consistent of the two. When two men hold opposing principles any compromise between the two will benefit only the more evil of the two. "They" are persecuting an American citizen for displaying a fact on his vehicle, his private property no less. From top to bottom Marines should be refusing to enforce this stupidity, and be willing to face and fight any injustice as a consequence.

Warrior intellectuals led by the same or brutish fools ruled by cowards. Take your choice there is no other.

Yes, I think a lawsuit is in order. Drag the fucking commander of the base into civil court & let the PUBLIC of 12 decide what is offensive & what is freedom of speech. A hefty fine would help too.

Islam does not get the protection of freedom of religion here in the USA, since it a Political ideology that is NOT compatible with a democratic society.

Time to EDUCATE all in the military of the truth of Islam. Best to also educate the civilian powers in charge of the Military.

Make it a reading requirement of Spencer's "Stealth Jihad" book.

"Best to also educate the civilian powers in charge of the Military [of the truth of Islam]." ~ Kauaikit

Never happen at the moment. We now have a Commander-in-Chief Elect who says the muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset." I can see B. Hussein Obama signing the US up for the UN's proposed religious anti-defamation "law," not the other way around, as you (hopefully) state.

This decal story is only the beginning of a forced sea change in cultural terms within the US Government and right on down throughout the political hierarchy, and Obama hasn't even been inaugurated yet. Things will get ugly very fast. And like Carter, Obama will fail the test, will fail this Country. I read someone who stated his oath of allegiance as a member of the military (now retired) does not have an expiration date. Unfortunately for us, Freedom does have an expiration date, even more so if we willingly acquiesce to its demise.

As has been mentioned, where does our Constitution enumerate a right not to be offended? We live in interesting times. Whether that becomes our curse or not is up to each of us, one skirmish at a time. (When it comes to muslim supremacy, no skirmish is too minor for an engagement.) The battle lines have been drawn, as Former Marine Nieto has clearly shown us: Does the Truth triumph over offended feelings? Especially when the Truth of Former Marine Nieto's feelings -- over the loss of his Navy son at the hands of jihadis -- are ignored.

Here in the UK, our soldiers are harassed and spat on, by the left wing and of course Muslims. They are also not allowed to wear their uniforms in the hospitals as well as being banned from Harrods(owned by Mohammed Al Fayed a Muslim) because they offend people.

This is just a long list of more political correctness. It's disgusting. I however have to say, what will it take for the people to win against this disgusting political correct bureaucracy?
I have a feeling that complaints and petitions are going to do nothing. I fear that the West may need to take up arms and revolt against their rulers, or else we are sure to be Islamised.
When "jaw, jaw" has stopped working, it's time for "war, war"(to alter Winston Churchill's famous quote).
We are being shafted by Islam, they are winning easily and yet the people are doing nothing, because Islam is protected by the very people who wage wars against them killing our children in the process.

PRCS -

Yeah, I'm with Leon - comfortable abusing the brass when they deserve it. The brass, after all, are the ones behind the persecution of the Marines from Haditha.

As other posters have mentioned, the base is acrawl with a display of decals, each of which is sure to offend someone. This ruling against one man for having facts in the shape of decals on his car is pure horse-hockey.

However, the correct thing to do is to make a rule stipulating that no decals or stickers of any kind, except those issued by the base for entry at the gates, are permitted.

This solution is so obvious, I can't believe the base commander has overlooked it. It would suck, but it would be fair.

Me, I love bumper stickers and decals. They lend a bit of spice to driving, whether they make me laugh, or roll my eyes. I think everyone should be able to keep theirs at Camp LeJeune.

No one has earned the right more than a father who served in the military, himself, and sacrificed a son, who also worked and lived, and died for his country.

I'll get the finger for suggesting it, but do you suppose the Military Police who ticketed Nieto are sympathizers? or, (horrors), Muslims? (Not impossible, since one of the policemen in the recent Muslim demonstration in NY was! He just looked the other way when one of the demonstrators assaulted a female onlooker who carried a sign upholding America!)

I worked as a civilian contractor in Iraq for 2 years, many times working with the civilian population. During that time, I tried to get a better understanding of how they thought and felt about we, "non muslim infidels". The one thing I came away with was that Islam IS a religion of peace and love, when dealing muslim to muslim.

For we infidels, we have three choices, 1) pay a heavy tribute to the local muslim authority and agree to live as less than third class citizens, honoring their wishes in all matters, 2)converting to Islam, or their personal preference, 3)we should be killed.

Sounds like peace and love to me! I find it very interesting that the Arab nations have a large legal fund set aside for prosecuting any iitems that they see as unfavorable against Islam here in the U.S.

I can only hope that we can come to a remembrance of what it took for us to become a free and independant nation, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!

And I will end my diatribe with the now politically incorrect, Amen.

Leon,

Nowhere did I state that this man’s stickers were really, really bad. Read more carefully what I wrote. I wrote that the military were asshats for forbidding this man from driving his car on base. In fact I like Abscedere’s take on the matter, “However, the correct thing to do is to make a rule stipulating that no decals or stickers of any kind, except those issued by the base for entry at the gates, are permitted.”

And as for bombing Pakistani villiages with unmanned drones, yes I’m in favor of that. That is when we are taking out leaders of Al Qaeda or Taliban. Or are in hot pursuit of fighters who have come across the border to attack U.S. forces and then retreat back over the border. UAV’s rock!

Finally, if this man fails to visit his son’s grave, in Arlington no less (it is a distinguished honor to be buried at Arlington) over some stickers, than that is just sad. As I wrote (feel free to read it over again) he should by all means proceed with his suit but it should be understood that he is not forbidden from visiting his son’s grave.

My heart is ripped open for this proud,devoted father.
Sounds like Gordon England's pet CAIRing pal, the "Legendary" Hesham Islam, holds sway over even Arlington Cemetery. Of course, the White House has the ear of Emir Norquist also.
The indecency of this is all that keeps such issues from being farces.
Potomac swamp fever, like any other disease can have effects on the mind. But this recent blight has evidently rotted the soul as well.
In the coming four years we'll probably see jihadists buried in Arlington as 'noble warrior colleagues'

I think what the Senior Chief failed to explain is that, as a Military Retiree, we are still subject to the UCMJ.

It seems like the Base CO, possibly following DoD directives, is going too far. However, that's the military. I don't agree with the essential banning of the First Amendment. In addition, when entering most military bases, one also waives a couple of their other rights. Even though I had a Permit to Carry, I couldn't even take my unloaded weapon on the base without fear of retribution. Then there's the arbitrary vehicle searches. (For scheduled searches, the Base CO usually issues a letter of authorization)

AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Artilce I

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the Freedom of Speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances."

AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Artilce I

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the Freedom of Speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances."

Unbelievable!

I find myself thinking that this article is a poorly derived joke or a misinterpretation of the facts… I just cant imagine this would happen. If this is indeed true then SHAME on those officers; here is what I think.

I as well as many of you... spent many years in the service defending the right for our citizens to practice Freedom of Speech, as well as the other rights they enjoy; and whether we agreed with what they said or not was backseat to the RIGHT for them to express it. We have put our lives on the line for them; protecting them and their posterity and safeguarding these rights. As members of the military we too enjoy those same rights. No regulation or policy can supersede the CONSTITUTION !!! Do these officers understand that? The CONSTITUTION is the highest law in the land.

Freedom of Speech is Absolute!
There can be no filtering what is freedom of speech and what is not... It is what it says, FREEDOM TO SPEAK, to EXPRESS YOURSELF, with no strings attached...

Our founding fathers did not impose restrictions on that statement! There is no clause that says you can have Freedom of Speech except for.....

Freedom of Speech either stands for all to practice this right or it stands for none. There is no gray area here.

As far as that Magistrate; Ship his ass off to IRAQ or Afghanistan... and the commanding General should either rescind this Magistrates edict or resign his own commission. We don’t need leadership like that in the military. Both of those Officers are a joke!

And if either of you Gentlemen want to discuss this with me then respond and leave your ph#, I will be more then happy to say this to your face.

Has anyone sent this issue to the press like Riley or coopper or dodd?

Unbelievable!

MSgt USAF Retired.

Richard LionHeart: "... what will it take for the people to win against this disgusting political correct bureaucracy?"

I've been reading for a long time about Formerly Great Britain's fall before the forces of Islam.

Chesterton says somewhere ("The Ball and the Cross", I think) that he didn't like the cresent symbol of Islam because it tends to come together, forming a complete circle that closes us all in.

I really think the English are past saving. You have a country where people have been arrested for selling produce in pounds and ounces instead of kilograms. Where RFID chips are put in wheelie-bins to make sure you're throwing away the right stuff in the right bin. And just recently, a small-business owner was visited by the Rubbish Authority (or some such government official) and fined £300 for throwing a sandwich wrapper in his trash can.

I read that one a few weeks ago, and reporting it now, it seems so outrageous and far-fetched that I had to see if it's real. It is (here's the UK Telegraph):

Industrial Waste

"The owner of a small business claims he has been told he must declare his sandwich wrappers as industrial waste or face a £300 fine."

England's become an asylum, where the madmen have taken over. The only thing that'll save you is if another Henry V comes along.

There's nothing I can add to the "Decal thread". It's madness, pure and simple.

An email to CNA:

"...two military police officers...”

"...the Base Magistrate..."

"...the Camp Lejeune Commanding Officer..."

First and foremost a sincere "Thank you CNA" for providing the public this important story.

Would like to ask though...Whatever happened to "Kickin' ass and takin' names"? I'd address this criticism to the reporter/writer but the article has no byline either.

Perhaps follow-up coverage will actually include names? (A phone call or two should do the trick.) All the same, keep up the good work!

England's become an asylum, where the madmen have taken over. The only thing that'll save you is if another Henry V comes along.
There's nothing I can add to the "Decal thread". It's madness, pure and simple.
Posted by: Mike Z

I would rather see a million British immigrants on our(US) shores than one Mohammadan.

Yes, Nieto is a civilian which I did overlook, but even civilian employees of the military sign papers to place themselves partly under military regulations-- including these types. I fully agree that Mr. Nieto should win his case, but realistically I think the deck is stacked against him and he won't. Politics does generally trump justice.

This poor man has a right to tell the vicious truth as it was for his son and how it is. The apologists for Islam past and present state that terror is prescribed in perpetuity. What;s so hard to understand?

As for UK not being in Dhimmitude, have you noticed to make a comment now one has to 'waive moral rights' - what's moral about that?

People don't know about what's discussed here on Jihad watch because it is safely not mentioned at all.

This poor man has a right to tell the vicious truth as it was for his son and how it is. The apologists for Islam past and present state that terror is prescribed in perpetuity. What;s so hard to understand?

As for UK not being in Dhimmitude, have you noticed to make a comment now one has to 'waive moral rights' - what's moral about that?

People don't know about what's discussed here on Jihad watch because it is safely not mentioned at all in the media, in schools &.

This poor man has a right to tell the vicious truth as it was for his son and how it is. The apologists for Islam past and present state that terror is prescribed in perpetuity. What;s so hard to understand?

As for UK not being in Dhimmitude, have you noticed to make a comment in the online newspapers now one has to 'waive moral rights' - what's moral about that?

People don't know about what's discussed here on Jihad watch because it is safely not mentioned at all in the UK media, in schools &.