Dishonored in Life, Dishonored in Death Update: Above, via Pamela, is a photo of honor killing victim Aqsa Parvez's numbered gravesite in Meadowvale Cemetery in Brampton, Ontario. Pamela and I have been in touch with the cemetery twice now, but they have not yet gotten back to us with information they promised to send about headstones.
Pamela also received a letter from a friend of Aqsa, containing some very revealing information:
hi,My name is Shianne Phillips. Im was a really close friend of Aqsa's. I actually went to the hospital the day it happened to see her but it was too late. I was at her grave yesterday (it was a year ago she died ), and people had been putting flowers and other items on the grave beside hers, because they didnt know which one was hers because the snow was covering the name on the mans plaque and because hers was unmarked. . .As you know. I actually wanted to start a fundraiser to raise money to get Aqsa a nice headstone that she deserves, but my mom came across your website. Im going to put your website in my facebook name and e-mail it to people that i KNOW will want to donate. It would be really nice to get a headstone that has her picture, date of birth and death and something like " friend to many, loved by all, remembered always "
Aqsa was such a happy go lucky girl. She was always smiling and cheerful despite her horrible home life. She loved to dance and tried to sing lol. She loved photography and fashion and music. She had a lot of friends and people who cared about her and she knew that. No one cared if she wore her hijab or not, people loved her for HER not what was on her head. Her dad would come to our school during school hours and walk around trying to find her, trying to catch her not wearing it, talking to boys or hanging out with "non-muslims". I remember one time we were sitting by the front doors at school when her dad came in, she got up and ran away and hid, I'd never seen that terrified look on her face before .
Im so happy that someone who didnt know her, has such a big heart , to take on such a task and to all the people that are donating, no matter how much it is, it helps so much. When I get paid tomorrow im going to donate some too :)
So on Behalf of Aqsa, I want to say thank you to all of you guys that have been touched by her story and who want to finally lay her to rest in peace and where people can go to pay there respects to her and her memory. So From all of us that love her regardless of knowing her well, or not at all... will let her Legacy live on :)
Thanks again
Love Shianne Phillips <3
UPDATE: We have now heard from the cemetery. They have been very helpful, and we will be finalizing arrangements shortly. Thank you again for all your generous support of this initiative.
If one of the jihad watch staff sets up one of those "donate online" accounts and you post the url on jihad watch, I'm sure you'll raise the money in a matter of days. Count me in.
I will donate as well, its so sad that the money is going to a dead girl, someone who needed help before her death. It seems she had very good friends and it so heartening to see she enjoyed her life to her best ability away from her father and family before her murder. May she RIP.
She deserves a grave marker. I wonder if under Canadian Law if a marker is paid for and placed it has to stay there regardless of what the family wishes since the family is charged with her murder.
Very sad but this does put something into perspective in the war on islam or islams war on us why we should win.
We as tough we want to be on them feel compassion they feel none this is why when we get off our butts and unite we will win.
This child and 300 millon others like her being indoctrinayed in this cult of hate and murder is the only reason we should need to eliminate islam.
There is a REASON I STATE DO NOT HATE THIS ENEMY UNDERSTAND HIM LOVE HIM AND DEFEAT HIM VERY SIMPLE HATE EATS ITS WAY THROUGH YOUR SOUL YOU LOSE YOUR SENSIBILITIES YOUR ABILITY TO FIGHT AND WIN THE NAZI AND JAPANESE ARE PERFECT EXAMPLES OF THIS THEY LOST CAUSE THERE HATE WAS LARGER THEN THERE LOVE YOU LOSE PERSPECTIVE IN THIS ON YOUR GOAL THAT IS WHY WE SHOULD ONCE WE GET TOGETHER DEFEAT THESE WELL LOST BROTHERS.
i pray that Shianne suffers no retribution for her disturbing revelations about Aqsa's father.
i pray that Shianne suffers no retribution for her disturbing revelations about Aqsa's father.
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Good point. Her statements to the police and her testimony will be a big part of the case against Aqsa's father. Her risk would indeed be great if she were part of the Muslim community, but apparently she is not. I hope her dad has a gun and knows how to use it.
The notion of setting up a memorial fund at JW to complement the one Pamela has started is a good one. I think this site generates more traffic, it certainly generates more comments. I think providing an avenue to donate from the JW site would really add to the overall funds availble.
I sure would like to hear that the cemetary is being more responsive. With both Robert and Pamela in Jerusalem for the next few days, I wonder is a JW staffer going to stay on top of working with Meadowvale?
spcbat - well said. Your sentiments are the very essence of Christianity, I believe.
However, humans who are brutal, malicious killers need to be taught a very harsh lesson, as an example to the other brutal, malicious killers out there.
This means finding the father and dispensing you- know-what kind of justice. Every day that this does not occur, is actually reinforcing his bad "behaviour".
boakai ngombu - well said. You have obviously been paying attention. I would like to read more of your thoughts.
spcbat - well said.
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Ed, I too think that spcbat expresses some good thoughts. But your response strikes me as funny. well said? We're talking about comments devoid of proper spelling and grammar, and at times totally lacking any punctuation at all. It can be a real challenge trying to figure out just what spcbat's thoughts are on some comments. Now, I like word puzzles. I'm a fan of crossword puzzles and Jumble. I take reading spcbats comments as a similar challenge. Once I have worked through the misspellings and parsed the massively run-on, all caps sentences I typically find some pretty solid thoughts there. But well said?. I'm sorry, that cracks me up. Maybe it's just me...
"I remember one time we were sitting by the front doors at school when her dad came in, she got up and ran away and hid, I'd never seen that terrified look on her face before."
What kind of sick twisted belief system would cause a girl to fear her father like this??
Islam?
I would much rather follow the way of this love...
"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."
1st John 4:18
Dear knowledgable jihadwatchers,
what is it with Mohammedan graveyards anyway? Right of the bat I remember (sorry, too fired up and embaressed to look for links right now) Somalis destroying graveyards, because relatives mourn their dead (idol worship). I remember Somalis in Norway expressing no regret about their "honour" killed relatives (women) - they are not dead, they are simply erased from memory. Except for trumped up so called "martyrs, all dead because of infidels." For them there is a burial with much bohoo and clearly defined roles for men and women - but then? Oblivion even for "martyrs"! Except for some trumped up claims concerning "infidel" things like a museum of tolerance.
Do Mohammedans really have an individual rememberance culture at the graves of their dead? I never observed anything like it. So I think this pitiful numerbred grave for Parvez just shines a spotlight on a despicable culture.
Am I totally off track?
Arrgh, sorry for typos. Sleepless in Germany.
That's actually a really interesting question, buraq. I don't know much about that aspect of Islamic culture, but I do know that they're bad at maintaining their graveyards beacuse Brigitte Gabriel said so in "Because They Hate." That may not mean anything, though, because they can't maintain anything.
I've always found graveyards of different cultures to be interesting. I mean, the Irish have very intricate, Gothic-style graveyards which convey a sense of timelessness, and Mexican graveyards are ornate but beautiful in a different way and give on ethe sense that wea ll live our lives with one foot in the grave. Italian graveyards run the gamut. Islamic graveyards? I don't know. I know that there's no Pere Lachaise in Dar-al-Islam. For a culture that is so obsessed with, and in many way dependent upon, death, one would think that they would surpass the Irish or the Chinese in terms of their veneration of the dead, but somehow I think they dishonor their dead just like they dishonor everyone in life.
jdam
your descrption is very similar to my sentiments. I like strolling across graveyards of my culture and others, because for me the connection to the dead and beloved people seems to be one of the fondest, most gratious and most soothing sentiments humans have ever developed - in order to live on and understand they are a part of the chain in the link of living things. I have to admit: Jewish graves seemed to me to be barren - or picturesque, as I am a born `65 German. But when I learned the meaning of the small piled up stones, the encrypted signs of admiration for the dead, it opend a new world for me. It allowed me to comfortably walk around almost any graveyard in the world - except for a Muslim graveyard.
They insist on setting aside their lots in Germany. If you dare wander into "their section" you are not welcome, as you are an infidel. But if you "ignore their section", you are guilty because you as a dhimmi have to pay "respect".
From my experience, Muslim Burial Culture (MBC) reflects nothing but Muslim Bulling Culture (MBC.
buraq, jdamn - I don't mind graveyards either. When I lived in Sydney we were one or two blocks from a wonderful old church with a historic graveyard dating back to the early 1820s. surrounded by a stone wall. The church was a classic parish church, and the graves were tucked in all around it, shaded by many trees - both australian trees such as native figs and eucalypts and wattles [acacia sp.]; there were native grasses and wildflowers, and European trees and flowers as well, including some lovely historic roses.
Walking through it was like reading a history book - there was a cenotaph for those who died in one of Australia's most famous marine disasters, the wreck of the Dunbar; there was also, surmounted by a sculpture of a broken harp, the grave of the Jewish migrant Sir Isaac Nathan, one of Australia's earliest European-background composers, and one of the first to write down Australian aboriginal traditional songs.
People walked their dogs there; people picnicked there - believe it or not, with tablecloths spread over a handy stone; we held many a birthday party there, with children playing hide and seek among the headstones and climbing the trees. Despite the sadness of some of the graves - lots and lots of little childrens' graves, from the early-mid 19th century - it was a happy place, not neglected but not too pristinely tidy either, more like a family garden, an oasis in the inner city, full of wildlife too - birds and possums.
I haven't encountered a Mohammedan graveyard of any kind, and I haven't investigated what sharia says about burials (I only know what I've picked up along the way - washing and shrouds - this is mentioned in ex-Muslim Gulshan Esther's book 'The Torn Veil', when she describes her father's funeral and then, later on, what was done for a newly dead kinswoman. In Peter Weir's film 'Year of Living Dangerously' - worth watching, BTW - he got into trouble with the Muslims for, among other things, filming [with actors, of course] a scene in which the body of a newly dead child is being washed while prayers are said).
But I do remember reading here, some time ago, that the Wahabbis deliberately smash in the faces of their dead before they bury them (!!!). If that's the case: UGH.
I also recollect someone saying that women are not allowed to attend the interment..or the actual funeral ceremony?
Just wanted to drop a note and let you know this: I was a cemetery sales counselor for almost a decade and DO NOT DONATE simply because the cemetery is NOT ALLOWED to put down a headstone/marker Without the families permission.
Chances are the family will not allow it. The cemetery would have to get written approval to put the stone down.
Unfortunately, the cemetery is not even allowed to give you the family information - or any information unless you are the person that signed the interment order (signed the papers for her burial) - so all of your effort will be for nothing.
The only way is to contact the family and have them agree and sign - even if you're paying for it. The cemetery will not be able, by law, to give you any information. You might be able to convince them (the cemetery staff) to call the family themselves and see if they will allow their information or phone number to be shared.
I also hope that a marker could be placed, however it doesn't look good.
Susan
spcbat and Richard
"THE NAZI AND JAPANESE ARE PERFECT EXAMPLES OF THIS THEY LOST CAUSE THERE HATE WAS LARGER THEN THERE LOVE"
Do you remember how we defeated those evil ideologies? Did we love them to death? NO: We bombed the shit out of them.
I found an article from the British Medical Journal about Islamic burial rites. They don't believe in coffins, postmortem exams, or embalming. Gender segregation is so pervasive throughout the whole process that not only do women not attend funerals, even for their own children, but they are not supposed to ever visit graveyards at all. One thing made zero sense: they don't believe in coffins but the tradition of carrying the bier is done by male relatives in two lines. Maybe they just don't call them "coffins."
Women also aren't allowed to leave the house for 4 1/2 months after the burial of a relative, or if they are pregnant, until they deliver. Why? Because that way they know who the father is, because of course the only reason women leave the house is to have sex. We don't need to feed ourselves or get oil changes, or go to school or work or anything. God forbid we have lives.
I thought Sicilians were fascist about the deaths of male relatives, what with the "a luto" black clothes and all. Sicilian women live in purdah until they marry, but afterward they can go anywhere, so long as they mourn for however many years are required for each type of relative.
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/309/6953/521
I also looked up "muslim graveyard" on Google Images and they all had tombstones, sometimes nearly piled on top of each other.
the mosque will bury their dead, men at the gravesite, women on the outside perimeter. an elder or imam will lead with readings/recitations of Quran. occasionaly there will be words of teaching. male members will jump into the grave to give blessing.
male corpses are treated preferentially. there is a women's section.
all is done barefoot, so as not to contaminate the land.
no coffin, just a satin sack.
burial is done within 24hr period.
when a Muslim is buried, the shrouded corpse is laid on its side facing Mecca in a slot cut at the bottom of the grave. a canopy, perhaps of wood, is placed atop the corpse.
Aqsa was most likely placed facedown in the slot...assuring that she see Hellfire first upon her great awakening at Judgement. This, because she had brought disfavor to Islam by "dishonoring" her father.
the burial would have been somber.
all the males present to show solidarity to the father as he observed Sharia as best he could.
"ignominious" could describe Aqsa's actions.
however,from the JW perspective, the same could be said about the exhortations of the speaker, who likely would've attempted to expunge the memory of Aqsa from the community by advocating even stronger adherance to Tawhid and Sharia ... don't let your daughters do what she did, or else they'll end up facing the Hellfire. hold to the path. be good Muslims.
Since the family essentially disowned her by her 'honor killing', and further disowned her by a numbered only grave, I wonder if a legal challenge to placing the headstone would get anywhere.
In other words, if the family objects, sue them to show cause...I suppose doing it that way would make for a pretty expensive headstone, but it could put JW/Atlas, and this effort into the national spotlight...
dda, jdamn, boakai,
thank you for your feedback. Will also dig deeper into this topic. What comes to my mind right now is Mohammed Attas last will, where he ordained women not to attend his burial (not that there was anything of him to be buried). Seems he didn't know Sharia too well, as it obvoiously prohibits women from attending burials anyway.
Islam makes people under its clutches immune to being child abusers.
In fact Islam has instituted child and teen abuse as a form of "virtue protection".
I completely forgot about this article on Islamic burial by Abul Kasem:
http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/IslamicVoodoos/Part6.htm
First of all, the Resurrection is described like the video for 'Thriller.' Everyone gets up from their graves and runs to Allah like the zombies who went after Michael Jackson. But in Islam, the soil in which they are buried regrows them after 40 days and nights of rain.
Then the corpse hears everyone walking around at the funeral. Then 2 angels come along and ask if he was a Muslim, because apparently Muslim angels are so stupid that they can't figure this out while they're following people around their whole lives and watching them have sex and go to the bathroom. The corpse sits up and talks to angels about Mo. Not Allah -- Mo. If he's not a Muslim, to Hell with him, literally. If he is a Muslim then the grave expands to 70 cubits (which would explain the lack of a coffin) and then to janaat with him. It also expands to 4900 cubits because Muslims are inconsistent.
Apparently it doesn't matter what people do their whole lives so long as they tell the angels what they want to hear, so there's actually no point in Sharia whatsoever. Infidels are of course tormented in their graves by a smelly black guy (even dead Muslims are racists!). He's not an angel. He's just some infidel dude who torments other infidels in their graves. Mo could hear dead Jews screaming, so it must be true.
If a Muslim's family wails at his funeral he gets punished in his grave. If you die on a Friday or on a Thursday night you will not face the torment of the grave. Again, no point in Sharia.
Jesus will be buried with Mo. It could happen.
Hello
While listening to the awesome Christian Prince on youtube I, nabific and all, peace be upon me, noticed that c.p. gave a specific quranic ref for honor killing.
How many times have we, peace be upon us, been told by these jokers, may the fleas of 1000 camels infest their bodies, that there is nothing in the quran to justify honor killing....WRONG.
Read 18:65 to 18:85 (al khaf). Pay close attention to where moses's teacher kills a kid and gives as the reason that the parents were believers and he feared rebellion from the kid. Ergo, a prophet of islam, who was revered even by moses, said that if you fear rebellion from your kid then kill them. Its alla's way.
So when a mohametan joker tries to tell you that it's cultural and not part of their noble religion of respect for everything and goodness, just tell 'em "al kahf 18:65-18:85 shows that honor killing is justified in the quran and therefore really part of islam"... "word of allah dont you know".
This has been a public service announcement by
nabi ZK (pbum)