Not that their beliefs and goals have anything to do with Islam, of course, or that Muslims who are not part of the Taliban or Al-Qaeda have any responsibility to halt the spread of such beliefs among Muslims. "'Taliban and Al-Qaeda are like Nazis,'" from PTI, December 20 (thanks to Weasel Zippers):
London (PTI): The British defence secretary has compared the Taliban and al-Qaeda to the Nazis, saying that the "fanatics" are challenging the way of life in a manner similar to Adolf Hitler's paratroopers.Terming the military campaign in Afghanistan as a "vital national security mission", John Hutton said it is a like the war to defeat Hitler.
"It is a struggle against fanatics that may not challenge our borders but challenges our way of life in the same way the Nazis did," Hutton told The Times newspaper in an interview today.
No, they don't challenge your borders, Mr. Hutton. They're already inside them. Ring up a Mr. Anjem Chaudary if you're not sure of that.
Last night on America's most wanted...the host John Walse...said the idea that Amina and Sarah were killed in an Islamic honor killing is absurd...sleep America sleep.
The first step into sanity.
Thank goodness many of us have been sane for a long time and pre-empted Hutton self-evident statement.
The next step is to confront the so-called "moderates" to kick out the Nazislamists. It is their responsibility, not non-muslims'.
"Last night on America's most wanted...the host John Walsh...said the idea that Amina and Sarah were killed in an Islamic honor killing is absurd...sleep America sleep." --posted above
That's not exactly true.
Apparently, so many people had contacted him after the initial airing of the Said girls' story that he felt compelled to comment on the "Honor Killing" comments. He said that we (America) don't have a law on the books prosecuting "Honor Killings" and to him "this was murder, pure and simple."
I agree that Walsh is ignorant about Honor Killings, and the propaganda in the re-enactment annoyed me. Such as at the girls' school, their Muslim male friend asks rhetorically about the father, "Hasn't he read the Koran?" his point being that the Koran does not allow mistreatment of "daughters."
Yeah, right. Also, I don't think the Koran ever says anything specifically about "daughters." Anyone know? Please let me know.
So, I hated that bunch of bullcrap propaganda, as though Islam has nothing whatsoever to do with the stern treatment of the Said girls by their father.
Leave the factory, leave the forge
And dance to the new St. George
- Richard Thompson
Mr. Defense Secretary doesn't seem to know the difference between "paratroopers" and "stormtroopers". The former are parachute troops, an elite force like commandoes or rangers, to be found in many countries' military forces. The latter could be any troops used for assault, but usually the term refers to members of the SA, the Nazi party army that the Nazis used in the early 30's to smash up Jewish-owned businesses, engage in street brawls with the Communist and other radical party armies, and generally intimidate opponents of the Nazis. I can assure Mr. Defense Secretary that he has many paratroopers under his command, and he is severely insulting them by likening them to Nazi street thugs and Taliban terrorists.
What a smart idea, use the Nazis as the template or for that matter any European arch nemisis to get the message across that the Talib are evil,but for the love of Bob dont link them to Islam in any way shape or form, to do so would offend our oily pals in Saudi Arabia who are to be viewed as Nazi occupied France.
'Terming the military campaign in Afghanistan as a "vital national security mission", John Hutton said it is a [sic] like the war to defeat Hitler.'
If he would substitute "the campaign against Islam" for "the military campaign in Afghanistan", he would be largely correct. Like the war to defeat Hitler, it is a struggle for national existence. But then why, oh why, do we in the West not pursue it like we did the war against Hitler, i.e. with virtually no holds barred? Why do we keep pussy-footing around with the kid-glove treatment? Why do we do nothing to cease our dependence on Arab oil? Why do we allow hundreds of thousands of fifth-column Moslems into our countries?
You probably mean the Waffen SS...
The Waffen-SS (German for "Armed SS", literally "Weapons SS") was the combat arm of the Schutzstaffel ("Protective Squadron") or SS. In contrast to the Heer, Germany's regular army, the Waffen-SS was a group of combat units composed of volunteer troops, with its members partially having strong personal commitments to Nazi ideology and also partially selected on a racial basis.
That's about it.
darcy ....It gave Islam a pass....and it was hard to watch...was my point.
And "No Infidels Allowed" Mecca is the Eagles Nest.
"Notice he doesn't break official protocol and make any reference to Islam.....""
hmmmmm...
"our oily pals in Saudi Arabia who are to be viewed as Nazi occupied France."
It starts making sense to help the Taliban against Saudi Arabia.
... (John Walsh's) point being that the Koran does not allow mistreatment of "daughters."
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"O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell." A wise lady aked, "Why is it, Mohammed, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell?" Mohammed observed: "You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise." Upon this the woman remarked, "What is wrong with our common sense?" Mohammed replied, "Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof."
-- Muslim Book 1, Nbr. 142
I know you already knew this, Darcy, but I just couldn't resist the reference. It proves that these girls had to die, and that their murderers were only devout Moslems, and therefore innocent in their deeds.
Kinda makes ya wanna go out and kill a woman, don't it? Especially a young, good looking one.
These murders were just a matter of common sense. For his part, it's too bad that the aggrieved John Walsh doesn't have any.
Have we learned nothing from Mohammed? Apparently at least some Moslems fathers and brothers have, and they exhibited the glorious courage to act on that divine knowledge.
And "No Infidels Allowed" Mecca is the Eagles Nest.
Posted by: walterc at December 21, 2008 11:21 AM
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More like the rats' nest, don't you think?
darcy ....It gave Islam a pass....and it was hard to watch...was my point.
Posted by: storagemanager [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 21, 2008 10:51 AM
Yes, I agree with that. Absolved Islam. And that isn't right. In fact, it's just plain stupid. Like I said, Walsh (whom I greatly admire), is ignorant about Islam.
huh?! It is more like ISLAM IS LIKE THE NAZIS! But, I guess I can't expect a total miracle. Just them finally realizing there might be some sort of tie, like FASCISM! tying these together.
If they admit it is islam that is the problem then they, and many more, would have to do something about it.
He meant to say that Islam are like Nazis but he had to be politically correct so he substituted Taliban or Al Qaeda for Islam. I cannot blame him for he lives in Londonstan. He livesd amongst some bad and meanest Nazis and there is nothing he can do about it except for bitching and moaning - isn't it too late for that?
I’m new to these pages. I’ve read the wide variety of opinions by the so-called scholars/experts (from Pipes to Spencer to Zakaria) regarding the fight against Islamic ideology, but what do the common folk (we in this forum) think?
In short, I favor cutting ties with Islamic nations – all of them. I am very much in favor of cutting off all Muslim immigration as well as deporting all Muslims living in the United States (and other Western countries).
People in this forum probably don’t consider these measures extreme because we recognize that our fight is, in fact, against Islam, and not simply against the bomb-throwers who have supposedly “hi-jacked” one of the world’s great (peace-loving) religions.
But how? How do folks in this forum suggest we accomplish this? Or, should you believe other options exist, what are those options?
Would like to hear what folks have to say.
Sadly, the majority of Europeans -- and I'm not talking about European Muslims here -- probably view Mr. Hutton's comments as wrong.
Here's how the thinking goes:
"Who are we to tell the Taliban that their way of life is wrong?"
"Why can't we just talk to the Taliban so that there can be peace"
"The Taliban only care about Afghanistan and do not represent a threat to any other nation"
"The Americans created them, so the Americans alone will have to finish what they started"
"You can't solve any problem with bullets and bombs"
etc., etc., etc.
I'm from Sweden and at this moment Sweden has a couple of hundred "peacekeepers" -- meaning they can't shoot at any Taliban fighters unless the Taliban shoot at them -- in northern Afghanistan (near the border of Uzbekistan). The majority of the Swedish population believe we should withdraw and many for the "reasons" I listed above. Western Europe's institutionalized anti-Americanism, moral relativism and multiculturalism has made it impossible for us to fight any evil.
Mr. Hutton has it exactly right: Islamists do not seek territorial conquest as Nazi Germany did. They seek ideological conquest. That is, they don't seek to change borders, but cultures.
As to "honor killings": they are not "Islamic".
Rather they are rooted in ethnic-Arab cultural patterns that predate Islam. Arab honor killings are predicated on the concept that loss of sexual "purity" is a permanent contamination that must be purged from the family, regardless of moral responsibility. This concept is largely unknown in other Moslem societies; though in the last 30 years petrodollar-fueled missionizing has somewhat "Arabized" other Moslem societies. It shows up among non-Moslem Arabs: there was a honor murder in Israel, by a Druse soldier in the IDF. There was another in Iraq by a Yezidi community - of a girl who eloped with a Moslem (prompting a horrific terror-bomb retaliation by al-Qaeda). Neither Druses nor Yezidis are Moslems.
Pakistani "honor killings" are different - driven by the requirement of male control of females in the family. It's usually a father punishing a daughter for refusing a marriage or otherwise defying male authority.
Neither practice is "Koranic". But Moslem clerics don't dare challenge the ingrained attitudes - besides which the Koran is profoundly male-chauvinist anyway.