British PM: 75% of U.K.'s "most serious terrorism cases" have connections to Pakistan

"Britain's prime minister Sunday asked India and Pakistan to allow UK police to interview Mumbai siege suspects as he revealed the extent of Pakistan-based extremists' involvement in terrorism in his country."

An excellent idea that India should implement and ask Pakistan to reciprocate.

Gordon Brown just doesn't get it does he?
I've mentioned it before along with many others that one must first know their enemy before they can defeat them. Until Gordon Brown and the rest of the moronic Political elite understand Islam for what it is then they will continue to be thwarted by them and beaten badly.

What on earth is Gordon Brown thinking about when he says "We will work to ensure that everything is done to make sure that terrorists are denied any safe haven in Pakistan."????

Hello????? Has this idiot forgotten something exceptionally important here? Is it not Pakistan's problem that they harvest terrorists and for them to deal with it? Is it not Britain's problem to deal with the terrorists in the UK? Therefore would it not be far more worthwhile for each country to sort out their own backyards before telling others to sort theirs? Would this sad excuse for a human being not have realised by now, that his signing of the Lisbon Treaty took away the very powers to extradite terrorists from within the UK? Has he forgotten that his signing of the Lisbon Treaty and submission to European control and Human Rights Legislation, given the terrorists born in the UK a sanctuary to to do what ever they may? Has this buffoon still not realised that Islamic terrorists are in fact Muslims and their ideology, from the Koran, is the reason they hate the kufar and why they are behaving the way they are to the UK, Europe and the West?

This man is in charge of the UK, never voted in by the people and wherever he goes he continues to maintain his embarrassing persona?

If the man had any common sense he'd immediately stop all travel to and from the UK to Pakistan. He would immediately remove the UK from European Control. He would extradite criminals and deport criminals. And last but not least, do a blitz on every Islamic terrorist organisation in the UK, arrest everyone, throw them in prison and charge them all with treason, punishable with death, if born within the UK that is.

A good starting place would be to ban all direct travel to Afghan and Pak -the twin 'stans'and all adjacent countries forcing them to vet through twice before the departure country (direct military flights exempted).

This would help stem the flow and put a serious roadblock in their way. Then somewhat responsible countries they vet through we would at least have some sway over how they do their job. Forget trying to convince Iran to vet-they're probably trying to recruit Jihadists and export them out the ports faster than the energizer bunny.

We must start the process in the West - or civilized world - of separating ourselves from the UNTRUSTED UMMAH. Less contact means less coercion, and we can better channel our efforts at reform upon the "peaceful" ummah. They may actually have a desire to start reform from within, as they will be left to the ravages of the fundamentalist Jihadi's, or work with us to destroy them.

The time has come for action and not words and I want to help Pakistan and other countries root out terrorism

Something tells me that Brown is jealous of fellow Brit Rowan Williams leading the Dhimmi Internationale poll, and is trying at the 11th hour to pip him to the post. Good try, Gordon.

P.S. No problems with TypePad today.

There is a small practical step that all UK residents can now do, and that is to ask their MPs to raise the issue of banning Hizb ut Tahrir.
Most MPs have an online message facility attached to their websites.
You can use Gordon Brown's sudden interest in terrorism as a lever with Labour MPs and a chance to embarass him with Opposition MPs.

There is a lot of info about Hizb ut Tahrir on Jihadwatch and the internet in general.

If we can establish the principle of banning them, we can start raising questions about similar organisations (and mosques).

We all have an interest in discovering what lay behind the attacks.

Two things:

1) Islam, and

2) What makes Moslems enthusiastic about their prospects in the UK: tacit surrender by the natives. And open preference to die by slow Jihad instead of the more immediately disturbing stuff.

We all have an interest in discovering what lay behind the attacks.

Two things:

1) Islam, and

2) What makes Moslems enthusiastic about their prospects in the UK: tacit surrender by the natives. And open preference to die by slow Jihad instead of the more immediately disturbing stuff.

We all have an interest in discovering what lay behind the attacks.

Two things:

1) Islam, and

2) What makes Moslems enthusiastic about their prospects in the UK: tacit surrender by the natives. And open preference to die by slow Jihad instead of the more immediately disturbing stuff.

Gordon Brown, who met counterpart Manmohan Singh in New Delhi and Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari in Islamabad, said three quarters of the most serious terrorism cases investigated by British police have links to al Qaeda in Pakistan.

Well, that depends I suppose on what brown considers bona-fide terrorism cases and how many of those are "serious," whatever that means.

Where did "three quarters" come from? Out his arse perhaps? Why not 80-20?

More whacko math 101 from elitists who don't have a clue; yet think they are baffling the masses with bullshirt!

Here's some fuzzy math for you mister brown -- "one muslim plus one bomb is three hundred less citizens in the population; let x represent the population."

Numb skull! Go take a math lesson from Mr. Bean and pay attention -- you mr. brown, might learn something.

Zoltix,

They won't ban Hizb ut Tahrir for the simple reason that they say it will drive them underground. It's the perfect excuse to not do anything about them.
There could be a Nuclear explosion in the UK and it could be known that it had been planned not just by radicals but backed by all Muslims in the UK and the government still wouldn't act.
Our government does not see Islam as a danger to the UK and to the very fabric of our civilisation. Therefore we are doomed to Islamisation. To compare to 1940, if our government had behaved then as they are now, we'd never have gone to war against Germany and this place would no longer be Britain.
We need a leader who sees Islam for what it really is and to act on it. I really don't see anyone of that calibre coming to the fore in the West, not for a very long time, well not until much Westerner blood has been spilled that is.

zoltix

good suggestion - and not just for the UK - Hizb-ut-Tahrir hadn't been banned in Australia, last I heard, and it's high time that it *was* banned.

If Muslims can use incrementalism - bite off little bits at a time and swallow them - so too can non-Muslims! I understand that that was, indeed, how the Portuguese and Spaniards re-took their country from the Muslim imperialist invaders and occupiers.

Let's start identifying targets...

Zoltix & dumbledoresarmy,

This is a quote from Global Politician on a quote from the British government not long ago:

A statement by a British government department - before the authorities received most of the VIGIL dossier - said they were worried that a ban on Hizb ut Tahrir now would come unstuck after a legal challenge by Hizb ut Tahrir after the ban, and that a ban may be "counter-productive". Others have commented that a ban on Hizb ut Tahrir now would be counter-productive because the group would go "underground". (These statements coming before VIGIL has exposed some members of Hizb ut Tahrir in senior positions in the UK.)

Nonsense.

The actual Hizb ut Tahrir is already underground but - like similar groups - it is in recruitment stages so needs to keep a public presence. Ban it now and fathers will tell sons to stay away, friends will tell friends to avoid it and funds will be swallowed up which otherwise would be used to fan the flames of radicalisation. How long before one of the Hizb ut Tahrir thugs takes it upon himself to read the Anarchist’s Cookbook or Mujahideen’s Poison Handbook and acts on it of his own accord?

The article is very interesting and many people have already expressed major concern on Hizb ut Tahrir and why it hasn't been banned. Like I said in my previous post, they won't ban it because in doing so would just cause them more problems as well as becoming alienated from the British Muslim Community, whom, as you know, give them a large percentage of their vote for power.
By banning Hizb ut Tahrir they effectively are not APPEASING Islam.

p.s. dumbledoresarmy, sorry for not replying to you in the post on Afghanistan. My internet went down on Friday and I've been unable to use it until now.

It will be too little, too damn late.

Does Gordon Brown really think that any cooperative program with Pakistan can secure his country? The government of Pakistan has only a tenuous hold on its own country, as the Mumbai massacre demonstrated. I think it's simply irresponsible for any poliical leader to risk the safety of his own people by signing on to such a dubious, and monumentally difficult, task.
Britain has made a major blunder in having allowed so much Islamic immigraion. It's time her leaders admitted it and started figuring out an exit strategy, pun intended.

Richard, Pakistan doesn't regard Islamic terrorism as its problem, it regards Islamic terrorism as its tool and weapon. When bombings like that of the Marriott Hotel occur in Pakistan, the Pakistanis blame it all on the War on Terror and the pursuit of terrorists, rather than blaming it on the terrorists themselves. They feel that the only reason why such terror bombings are harming Pakistanis is that Pakistanis have committed the "sin of betrayal" against the jihadis.

So in other words, Pakistanis don't regard terrorism as their problem. Therefore, they won't be doing anything about it anytime soon.

Sanman,

I completely agree with what you've written. I know only too well that Pakistan, formerly part of India, wanted to become Pakistan in order to have an Islamic state and a base of operations as such with which to start Islamising the rest of the world. I know that Pakistan doesn't regard Islamism as a problem but very much their weapon to attack the kufar and infidels. I was really making more of the emphasis on Gordon Brown, staying out of Pakistan and sorting out the problem here in the UK.
The easiest way to solve the problem is to stop all travel to and from Pakistan and eventually declaring them as a Terrorist state like Iran. However as you know that won't be as 5,000 Pakistani Halal butchers are on their way over with their wives and children.
My wish, living in the UK is for Gordon Brown to stop trying to save the World and start saving the UK from problems caused by recession and his continuing ignorance of Islam and continued allowing of Wahabism being pumped into the UK from Saudi Arabia.

Pakistan is no different to Iran and a problem for the World.

100% have connections to Islam, I bet.

A few things left unsaid. No one can die and the Human Rights of the enemy must be protected. Jail is also out because it would be viewed as another Gitmo. Just treating it all as a criminal matter would require walling off whole sections of their major Cities. Given enough time, it could become like the B grade movie-Escape From New York. Larger in scope to become-Escape from England with a more plausable plot line.

And he wants to allow in 5,000 Halal butchers from pakistan into the UK.

Obviously, they couldn't be found from within the pakistani community in the UK as those already here have a near 100% employment rate, contributing massively to the economy of the UK.

He really does wish to speed up our demographic destruction.

This is the most stupidest and dumbest thing ever. With all this evidence and for years India has been saying how Pakistan is the seat of Islamic terrorism, and with all the billions poured into this pathetic Islamic country since 9/11, what has been accomplish on the war on terror--nothing! On the contrary what has happened is more non Muslims have been killed and Pakistan has taken all that billions and given false promises to the west, while funneling that money to Islamic terrorist camps. Again we will see the same thing happen with this new initiative, which I just call the more jiyza for Pakistan with a new title, and same false promises by the Mohammedans.

Pakistan is the rat that roared. Just attack India and get millions from Gordon Brown to fight terrorism. What a scam!

And the other 25% have connections with . . .?

Mr. Brown does not understand. It may well be that 75% of the terrorism in Great Britain -- better make that Muslim terrorism because the IRA is now out of the picture and there is no other kind -- comes from Pakistanis. But that is because most of the domestic Muslims are Pakistanis or their descendants who happen to have been allowed to settle within, and obtain the citizenship of, Great Britain.

But what would Jean-Lous Bruguiere say in France? He would say that 75% of the terrorism in France, or perhaps more, comes from Arabs, specifically from the Maghreb. And his German counterpart would mention Turks and Moroccans. And his Dutch counterpart would mention Moroccans. And so on.

The new emphasis on Pakistan, and the transparent wish to assume that Pakistan and Pakistan almost alone is the problem, rather than Muslims wherever they are from, those who take the ideology of Islam seriously or who, at some point in the future, may be especially vulnerable and susceptible to the appeals of Jihad, may be understood as one more attempt to avoid coming to grips with reality, with the meaning, and universal menace, of Islam, and not with a particular country. The same observations may be made about that new, fashionable, and essentially meaningless phrase, a "failed state." Is Somalia more or less dangerous as a "failed state" than as a going concern? If there is Islam in one case, and Islam in another, the problem remains the same. It may be that the "failed state": with poverty, disease, chaos, and endless warfare, is from the Infidel point of view preferable. Muslims were not a threat before they had the money, and the power, that oil revenues supply. The less they have, the better, and the less the West has to do with them, the better, for any involvement inevitably leads, because of the cunning of the local Muslims, and the endless gullibility of the Western intervenors, military or civilian, to the kinds of squandering and beside-the-point efforts we see in Iraq and in Afghanistan and, coming up on the outside fast in the Save-the-Muslims sweepstakes, permanently ungovernable and unsustainable Pakistan.

In additiion, this focus on "Pakistanis in Great Britian" offers a possibly not-to-everyone-transparent exculpation of the Arabs. And since Arabs have always been traditionally favored among a certain segment of British elites and even now continue to be because of the effect of Arab money, and the smiling rich Arabs of the Gulf who are all over the posher parts of London (and their sons in English schools, or at least the schools where academic merit is not essential for admission, but only deep pockets) and what they promise, in addition to the palpable antisemitism, in the supposedly acceptable avatar of "anti-Zionism" that is everywhere in the air, but especially observable in the Guardian-and-Galloway left).

Are Pakistanis the greatest threat in Great Britain? Yes. Are North African Arabs -- mainly from Algeria and Morocco -- the greatest threat in France? Yes. Are Libyans and Egyptians and Somalis the greatest threat in Italy? Yes. Are Arabs and Kurds the greateset threat in Norway? Yes. Are Moroccans and Turks the greatest threat in Germany? Yes. Are Moroccans - and now possibly some Indonesians -- the greatest threat in the Netherlands? Yes. Are Lebanese and Syrian Muslims the greatest threat in Brazil, or Argenina? Yes. Are there also Bangladeshis -- follow the curry takeout trail -- all over the place, who are etc. Yes, etc.

For god's sake, see things as they are, and not as you would have them be. It is not the "nationality" of being Pakistani that explains the threat. Nor is the supposed "underrepresentation" of Pakistanis in the police, or in the middle class, or in the this or in the that, what causes their hostility, sometimes their murderous hatred, of Infidels and Infidel laws and customs, and the political institutions of any Infidel nation-state, and explains the threat of terrorism. No, it is something else. It is Islam.

Hi Gentlemen.Im suprised and heartened by the level of understanding about Islamists and Islam in general on this website.There is hope for the world after all.
I am one of a rare species,the Hindus of Kashmir,so i have personal experience of Terrorism and historical memory of the Islamisation of that Bastion of Hindu-Buddhist culture over the centuries.
Three cheers for Rob Spencer and the other intellects on this forum.

...the smiling rich Arabs of the Gulf who are all over the posher parts of London (and their sons in English schools, or at least the schools where academic merit is not essential for admission, but only deep pockets) and what they promise, in addition to the palpable antisemitism, in the supposedly acceptable avatar of "anti-Zionism" that is everywhere in the air, but especially observable in the...left

Tell me about it. Except in academia they're not rich, they're not qualified, and they're not even capable of behaving like decent human beings. They're here just because they're Arab, beacuse they applied, because their admission pleases our universities' Saudi overlords, and because, well, making life uncomfortable for Jews, even when taken to illegal lengths, is ideal to academics these days, at least those in charge. "Palpable" indeed.

Welcome, Austinian. Please tell me what's up with your handle. People from Austin are called 'Austinites,' so you have piqued my curiosity.

Thank you jdamn.Yeah,i thought id be different and Austinite sounded very cliched and also something that a long term resident might use.(im new to Austin).

austinian, there are ladies on this site also, not just gentlemen. Welcome.

Sorry,and thank you dsinc.

I like 'Austinian.' Like 'Austin' + 'Justinian' (my namesake). I used to live there back in the day. Hook 'em old-school. And check out the documentary section at Vulcan video. I miss that place.

I love it.Do not miss the east coast winters.Will look up Vulcan video.

I love it.Do not miss the east coast winters.Will look up Vulcan video.

Wait for the summers! I spent one summer there and never went back. I lived there for four years. It's a fantastic town, when you're not driving or trying to park. Be sure to get brunch at Old Pecan Street, where I used to work. Eggs Florentine. I trust you've seen the bats from the bridge. That's the best free entertainment anywhere.

In a press conference in Pakistan today, Gordon Brown said that the UK is going to spend 6 million pounds to try and find the causes of Islamic radicalization. Well, let me spell it out for him: K - O - R - A - N; so, that works at more than one million pound per letter.

Life is always stranger than fiction and it never seems to surprise me anymore with the idea that you reap what you sow, as a matter of fact, this very concept comes right out of the Bible- in Paul's letter to the Galatians - 6:7.

Britain supported the creation of Pakistan, Britain brought in the Cripps commission to draw the Cripps line thus dividing India into Pakistan, India and Bangladesh (note: Burma was seperated from India in 1936) to appease their Muslim subjects. Britain viewed it as a last slap in the face of bloody Indians for forcing the British to leave India through violent and non-violent methods combined. The British did not make proper arrangements for the exchange of populations and stood back as the Muslims attacked Hindus, Sikhs and Christians on Direct Action Day, forcing the Hindus and Sikhs to retaliate. If it were not for certain Hindu organisations and the private Royal armies of the Indian Princley Kingdoms, India would have been overrun by Islam.

Britain did not advise the new Indian rulers (Nehru, the first PM was an idiot) how to deal with their Pakistan problem and huge Muslim population correctly, instead helped and encouraged to allow the problems to linger that would plague India up to this day, not knowing that the problem would eventually be theirs as well.

Then Britain allowed floods of Pakistanis to enter Britain thinking that they would love England because it was once their Colonial ruler but most of all was their friend in helping them secure Islamic lands from the wretched Pagan Hindus (that includes Buddhists and Sikhs).

Today, Britain still employs Gurkha soldiers who happen to be Hindu, has Sikhs living in a good number in Birmingham and South hall for example.

Buddhists also live in Britain as I am sure a number of Indian Christians must have also made it there.

And yet, the problem arises with those whom Britain supported against the Hindus and Sikhs. It is the Muslims, Pakistani or Indian, they hate England, they hate the West, and until the West realises who their enemy is, the West is doomed.

I only hope Britain finally realises that it has made terrible errors in judgement and should perhaps reevaluate its dealings with Muslims.

The problem with Britain was that it was too overconfident with itself, the typical attitude I see in many who think they just "know it all" perhaps because they have a false notion of superiority.

I hope Britain can save itself and take further steps to contain this neo-Nazi Facist religion from spreading. However, Britain will have to once again revisit Pakistan and get involved personally if it wishes to contain the problem. They left things unsettled in 1947 thinking they would not have to return, well think again.

There is an old saying in Nepal "He who digs a grave for someone else is actually digging their own grave first."

-Ayo Gorkhali

Gorkhali,

There's no doubt that Britain inflicted the blow that partitioned India, however they didn't bring Pakistanis over to the UK "thinking that they would love England because it was once their Colonial ruler". They brought over Muslims who would work for a cheap wage in the mills of Northern England? Do you think, then, like today the government asked the British people if they wanted immigration into the UK, that would inevitably lead to cultural war?
Gorkhali, the allowed the flood of immigrants in the 70's for the same reason as they are today - GREED. Mill/factory owners of the 70's are no different to their equivalents today. A lower wage means a maximising of profits, more money for the shareholders and a luxurious life for the owners, upper managements and their families. They didn't think for one minute of the consequences of their actions as it was a case of downright selfishness. They didn't realise that by employing overseas workers, they were also denying jobs for British workers, the backbone of Britain.
Many people in the UK do realise the dangers of Islam, but alas, we do not call the shots. Our government do and they have their enforcers, the Police, to carry out their legislations.

It's also just suicide. America brings in thousands of Mohammedans and gives them preference in immigration. We have all of Latin America from which to cull our cheap labor and they and work hard, assimilate well, and contribute to our GDP instead of running welare scams and acting shamlesslly ungrateful. And the Somalis? How do you explain them? It's suicide.

One more thing about the Mexicans to jdamn and that's they're Christians as well as people who are part of Western Civilisation.
The situation in America may look grim but nowhere near as grim as here buddy!
I'm not kidding but parts of London are now turning into Mogadishu. I live in Camden and all over this part of London(Kings Cross and Euston) it's populated by Somalians, who walk down the streets, dressed like Black pepper pots, with five or so kids in tow and a bun in the oven. They are also 90% likely to be on benefits/welfare.
Think yourself lucky. Tuberculosis is now back in the UK, having previously been eradicated, thanks to Muslims from Asia and North Africa. Worse still, because of the problems in Zimbabwe, Britain is about to have a large influx of Zimbabweans, desperately trying to flee Mugabe's regime, diseased with cholera. They will gain free entry into the UK!!!!

Immigration is ruining the West for the simple reason that those countries that didn't want to be part of Western civilisations have crumbled and now want our help. In doing so they bring their disease and warfare over here causing us problems. It's disgusting.

There will be more Somalians coming to the USA as there will be here in Britain. Our biggest gang problem in North London is now from Somalians who outnumber smaller gangs by 10-1 or so as well as carrying knives, machetes and guns and know very well how to use them. They've brought conflict from Africa to the UK!

Gordon Brown also committed £6 million of tax payers money to assist Pakistan in tracking down sources of radicalisation. Surely the money would be better spent at home on surveillance of individuals who travel to Pakistan for training. Pakistan has already said that Al Qaeda operates freely in the north of the country which is a lawless region and practically impossible to police. It is also thought that Bin Laden is holed up there along with other 'heroes' of global terrorism.

Terrorism is a rich resource for pakistan earning it millions in foreign currency and free military hardware from the ever obliging US.

Why should it kill the goose that lays it the golden egg?

British politicians are short sighted fools who are being taken for a royal ride by the pakistanis.

The tragedy is that there is nothing anyone can do about this. Sure, we'll kick Gordon and his merry band of dhimmis out, only to be replaced by another bunch of deluded idiots, only this time they'll be led by a buffoon who is even now filling his shadow government with muslim advisers who want relationship with Israel to change, who want Iran to have a nuclear weapon and who want sharia law to be legally recognised.

Britain is now an islamic state in all but name.

Do you live anywhere close now JD?.Yes the bats ive definitely seen.The military museum in camp mabry is full of WW2 stuff.I will check out this brunch place.

On a lighter note,i wrote to Deepak Chopra asking if he knew who destroyed the great buddhist university complexes of Vikramshila and Nalanda since he claims to be a buddhist.
He wrote back saying that he did not follow any religion.That gave me the opportunity to suggest that his suggestion that alienation was the cause of terrorism was an insult to the victims including the monks at Nalanda who were massacred like cattle by Bakhthiar bin Khalji.

Austinian, if you're interested what happened in India, this article's a great place to start:

http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1475&Itemid=66

Sujit Das talks about the destruction of the univeristies and a bunch of other stuff. It's just a great read.

You might also like Sita Ram Goel's texts on the destruction of Hindu Temples:
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/

There are tons of free e-books at the above link. I can usually only get away with posting 2 links per post. Enjoy. Bookmark that one.

No, I don't live near Austin anymore. I'm in Indiana. I did my undergraduate work at UT and then I left. I'm getting my MA in May from IU, many years after having left Texas. I'm thinking about moving back, though, but that's just an idea I'm entertaining. I was going to work on a PhD next year, but I decided not to so I don't know where I'll be a year from now. Old Pecan Street is on E. 6th Street.

Richard, I dig the Mexicans. I worked in restaurants for 11 years with many Mexicans. I also lived with a few in a co-op my freshman year of college. They're fun, hard-working, easy to get along with, and the 2nd generation almost always assimilates. They have no entitled attitude. I envy their work ethic. Plus they check Muslim demographic jihad. I'll take outbred, Christian Mexicans who go to regular, public schools over inbred Muslims who go to madrassas and pull welfare scams any day. Plus, while the level of violence and crime is higher among Mexicans, they keep it in their communities. Muslims are settlers and they seek out non-Muslims as victims. That's why Muslim immigration is suicide. There is just no reason for it, no explanation, no justification whatsoever.

Dear JD ,there is a book which can be read on the internet.It is called The Kitab e Yamini or the book of the Yamini dynastry.It is the chronicle of the Ghaznavid dynasty which destroyed classical Indian civilisation in the 10th century AD.It is written by the scribe Al Utbi,who was eyewitness to and glorified the incidents.
This book can put paid to the stupid theory that Jihad was an Islamic reaction to crusaders who came 2 hundred years later.
You can actually google the book and read it online.
Translated by an Englishman from persian and originally written in Arabic.
I encourage all people on this site to read it.

Im glad youre considering moving back to Austin,the maybe we could discuss things in person.
Ayo gorkali,my fiance is from Nepal.

Wake up and smell the shit - it is all over UK and Europe.