So says the defense. "Fort Dix defense: Men were 'all talk,'" by Troy Graham for the Philadelphia Inquirer, December 5 (thanks to James):
Albanians have an expression that defense attorney Rocco Cipparone said perfectly describes the five men accused of plotting to attack Fort Dix."A barking dog doesn't bite," he said. "All talk, no action."
Cipparone, who represents defendant Mohamad Shnewer, recalled that phrase yesterday while cross-examining FBI informant Besnik Bakalli, an Albanian illegal immigrant.
Bakalli befriended defendants Dritan, Eljvir and Shain Duka, who are ethnic Albanians, at the behest of the FBI. He secretly recorded months of conversations with them.
Their discussions often were dominated by talk of radical Islam, guns, and whether the men should take part in armed jihad, overseas or in the United States.
Cipparone and the other defense attorneys said that talking was all their clients ever did. Prosecutors said the men formulated a plan to kill soldiers at Fort Dix and trained for their mission by shooting on a firing range and playing paintball.
In often-combative exchanges with Bakalli, Cipparone pointed out segments of the recordings where the Duka brothers demurred or said they didn't have the guts to go on jihad.
While discussing suicide bombings, Dritan Duka once said, "I wouldn't do it. I will never do it."
On one recording, Eljvir Duka said Islam could not be spread by violence.
"It's not by the sword only," he said. "You can't force them to come to Islam."
But Bakalli accused Cipparone of cherry-picking the transcripts without providing the context. He repeatedly tried to offer longer answers, only to have Cipparone cut him off.
"I guess you don't want me to explain," he said.
"I want you to answer my question," Cipparone shot back.
At one point, after reviewing an instance when Shain Duka said he didn't have the fortitude for jihad, Bakalli replied, "He didn't mean it."
Cipparone also said Bakalli goaded the Duka brothers by "playing on the Albanian sense of bravado and manhood."...
Notice the gratitude of the Albanian Muslims. Proves how right Julia Gorin is.
'A barking dog doesn't bite.'
Oh, really?
I found substituting jihadist for dog very enlightening when reading this piece on barking dogs. Especially that last paragraph.
http://www.barkingdogs.net/shapeaggress.shtml
Meanwhile, last Christian Serbs in Kosovo are being killed.
Earlier today, Bogdan (77) i Stanica (74) Stankovic, last Serbs from a village Krilyevo in Kosovo, were found killed in their house. Mission accomplished.
Any news about that in western media?
I'd lay a bet that if any of us did what these six did, we would be in the slammer for a long time under the worst conditions.
Yeah, that's the ticket. It was only talk.
But as frightened kuffars, can you blame us for not wanting to take their word on it?
"A barking dog doesn't bite," he said. "All talk, no action."
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Actually, many dogs are very good at both barking *and* biting. Vee, thanks for the posting on aggressive dog behavior. This is my favorite passage:
"Don't wait for the day the gate is left open and the dog gets out and bites someone. The time to deal with a potentially aggressive dog is early on, when he first begins to vocally threaten the general public. The longer vocal aggression is allowed to continue, the more aggressive the dog is likely to become, with a proportional increase in the probability that he will eventually injure someone."
Think, especially, of Imam Choudary in Britain, who is being allowed to openly say that he wants the streets of London and New York "running with blood"--and is making these vile, incendiary speeches at events held in *council-owned* (i.e. public) venues. And authorities do nothing. What message is this sending, both to the threatened public, and to the "barking dog"?
more:
"It's not by the sword only" he said.
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Not by the sword *only*. Who finds this reassuring?
finally:
Cipparone also said Bakalli goaded the Duka brothers by "playing on the Albanian sense of bravado and manhood."
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Notice--the defense attorney refers to "the Albanian sense of bravado and manhood"--wouldn't it have been more honest to refer to "the Muslim sense of bravado and manhood", since you find this same vicious puffery wherever you find Islam--from Thailand to Pakistan to Saudi Arabia to Egypt to the Sahel to the Mahgreb to London and the banlius of Paris to New Jersey.
I've noticed that in the week or so after a major jihad terrorist attack causing hundreds of casualties at least one article per outlet will creep past the PC filter which fogs these issues the rest of the time.
Here's one, found at RoP, from the Philly Bulletin:
Radical Islam And The Threat To Arab Christians
It's so strange to read certain historical facts in the newspapers these days. I feel like I'm reading samizdat in the old Soviet Union.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023792.php
I remember reading in the Toronto Star that the Toronto Jihadists defense was "They couldn't have been training to carry out a terrorist attack because they went to Tim Hortons to get coffee! Terrorists would never go to Tim Hortons to get coffee!"
They will always come up with the stupidest, most nonsensical reasons to let the Jihadi scum off the hook, and the dhimmi ruling class more often than not laps it up.
Beagle, Christians are the most persecuted people in the world today. They are under siege just about everywhere, and in many places, violent, pogrom-like siege.
I think we should target (racially profile) all Eastern European Muslims just to undermine the claim that anti-Islamism = racism. We should go after Albanians, Bosnians, and Kosovars wherever they are, just so that Islamists and leftards can never make that assinine claim again. It doesn't fly in Italy, since a plurality of the Muslims are white as snow, and it shouldn't fly here either. I would love to have stats to point to which say that white Muslims commit tons of crimes, which they do, and that anyone who claims that anti-Islamism is racism is an idiot. Oh, wait. That would be an appeal to logic, which never works with Mohammedans or leftards. Just kidding.
jdamn l think most people instincly believe that islam prefers Arabic people eventhough you have people of all races who can be islamic. the koran prefers arabs as it was written for and by arabic people. That is why l cannot fathom anyone who is nonarabic who would want to be a 2nd class citizen in their own religion. You will have to have low esteem about yourself to degrade yourself by becoming islamic.
"It's not by the sword only," he said. "You can't force them to come to Islam."....from headline.
Well, he got half of that statement right.
LazarOfSerbia
for the westernia media Serbians are savages and muslims are poor victims and it's not going to change . Kosovo je Serbia !
"All talk, no action."
- defense attorney Rocco Cipparone, quoted in the article above
Yada yada yada BOOM! Yada yada BOOM! Yada BOOM!BOOM! BOOM!
To be ready for others who are "all talk":
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2008/12/mumbai-intel.html
Heatsketch,
Have in mind that Serb crimes are greatly exaggerated and at the same time Muslim crimes are completely ignored in the media.
Péguy,
It is and it will be.
Beagle, "at least one article per outlet will creep past the PC filter which fogs these issues the rest of the time.Here's one, found at RoP, from the Philly Bulletin"
I'm not impressed. I think the Bulletin is a very small indie paper. If I saw that story in the Philadelphia Inquirer or the Philadelphia Daily News, then I'd perk up.
Reminds me of the old story "The Boy Who Cried Wolf."
Just to clarify....Dhimmis want to believe there is no wolf, so they're happy when a jihadomaniac says, "I didn't mean it." Worse, dhimmis are so gullible.
Beagle - thanks for posting that link. I went to the original, read the whole thing, copied and saved it: and will print it out and give a copy to my parish priest and other selected targets.
It sums up a great deal of horror in a small space (and gives an entirely different perspective on the first Lebanon war, also: as a war in which the PLO within Lebanon was genocidally focusing on the Christians - something that I think only Jacques Ellul notices, by mentioning PLO massacres of Christian communities, when he's discussing the appalling French media coverage of that war.)
DenverRodeo - if a 'very small indie paper' prints a story as bluntly truthful as the one Beagle has linked, then that 'very small indie paper' should receive a shower of commendation from Jihadwatchers; and quite possibly, concrete signs of appreciation, such as the purchasing of a copy of the paper. The editor in particular should be specifically congratulated for publishing the article, and given reasons why its publication is significant; and told that if he publishes more such articles, he is likely to receive increased numbers of subscriptions to his paper.
Monitor the paper for further signs of intelligence and if such appear, water them with encouraging letters to the editor, and further purchases.
Think about it; if a little independent paper were to start covering the 'jihad news' truthfully, and USA jihadwatchers were to subscribe to it and diligently spread the word among their acquaintance that such and such a paper is worth buying...one might get some interesting results.
Albanian Mafia Runs International Stolen Car Racket Out NY/NJ That Funds Terrorism
Totally off topic .. sorry.
Lazar,
I have been following events in Serbia, Kosovo, and Eastern Bosnia for sometime now. I read an interesting report from the UN that northern Kosovo has totally separated itself from the rest of Kosovo, as far as its power grid is concerned. This seems to have lead to quite a bit of crying and hand wringing on the part of the UN. Eastern Bosnia seems to be threatening secession, and or unification with Serbia. Do you think Serbia would have them if they sought such an agreement? If the Russians and Serbians finally agree on the proposed pipeline deal wouldn't it stand to reason that they (Russians) would need to protect their investment, and power grid infrastructure like (I'm ashamed to say) "we" have with camp Bondsteel in Kosovo? It also seems that the Croatian Catholics want nothing to do with Bosnian Muslims, and hate having to share a country with them.
I also found this article in research I have done today.
http://www.serbianna.com/blogs/newspost/?p=1096
I have been doing my best to educate people out here on what is going on. I had several of my friends of Slavic descent red in the face the last time we talked. It is so important that people know what is happening over there, because if the poop hit the fan again "we" can't be on the wrong side a second time, and if "we" are "we" can only hope the Russians are in a stronger postition to prevent NATO from doing antying too stupid. I'm praing for the best for you guys and tying to put the positive word out, as well. If there is any truth to that link up there the Albanians may give you Serbs every justification you need to get what is your back. It would be fun to see NATO eat crow over this.
Ethoman,
There is not a slightest chance that Serbs would accept any "division" of Kosovo (that would be a political suicide for any leader to do so). It is not a "piece of land" we are talking about, but spiritual homeland of Serbian nation. We are not negotiating on that. Kosovo is taken by force, but "political reality" will change and will be returned to Serbia one day. Just close camp Bondsteel, take your boys home and it's done. Considering some current global trends, it may be sooner than expected. Serbian soldiers are singing this ancient song and we really mean it:
If someone in the West thinks they broke Serbian spirit, they are deadly wrong. We are just waiting for our time.
As of Bosnia, that's a different story. We don't have any territorial issues there and we just want Serbian people in Bosnia and their interests protected.
Their discussions often were dominated by talk of radical Islam, guns, and whether the men should take part in armed jihad, overseas or in the United States...
This is not an 'if' statement, it is a 'when and where' statement.
That alone may not convict them in court, but it's good enough for me...
Interesting link about the Albanian Mafia in the NY/NJ area, LazarOfSerbia.
My area of NYC already has many, and an increasing number of, Albanians. It is disquieting.
This is too funny! What "Albanian manhood and bravado?" There is no such thing! Ask any of them. They all gamble and drink too much. They think nothing of stealing from each other or backstabbing or even real stabbings. Let's not mention their quickness with illegal firearms. They evade taxes and child support. Also of noteworthy comment is their long-standing attraction to blood feuds within families. And as if that's not enough, they arrange forced marriages within my country, USA, for their children.
Oh wait-except for those last two, they'd be perfect Hemingway "code heroes!" Hmmm....