Hyderabad: Scores of young Muslims have "disappeared" to Pakistan for jihad training

More madrassas emerge as centers of "misunderstanding" Islam, somehow missing the concept of jihad as an "interior spiritual struggle" (as apologists insist that it is to non-Muslims). Funny how that keeps happening.

"Mumbai attacks How Indian-born Islamic militants are trained in Pakistan," by Damien McElroy for the Telegraph, December 13:

Indian authorities have denied that there is a homegrown terrorist threat to the country, instead blaming Pakistan for allowing Islamist attacks including the atrocities in Mumbai to be launched across its borders.
But The Sunday Telegraph has learned that scores of young Muslim men have disappeared from the central Indian city of Hyderabad, suspected of leaving for Pakistan to be trained by the country's Islamist terror groups.
As many as 40 potential recruits are reported to have left the city - which has a large Muslim minority - under extremist guidance, while many other young men cannot be traced.
Police efforts to track the youths have floundered in the wake of the Mumbai attacks last month. A wall of community silence has protected the activities of teachers and other shadowy figures working inside fundamentalist Islamic schools and mosques.
"We have tried to establish where the city's youth has gone but we don't know," said Hyderabad's police commissioner, Prasada Rao. "We know they have gone to other places, either Indian states or abroad. We are checking but the parents or the others will not let us into what's going on."
Two Islamic movements based in Hyderabad, Darsgah Jihad-o-Shahadath (DJS) and Tahreek Tahfooz Shaer-e-Islam (TTSI), have been accused by local police of allegedly acting as "feeder" groups for militants seeking to recruit armed fighters. They have denied the allegations.
Members of a third local group, the Students Islamic Movement of India - which has been banned by the government - carried out a gun attack on police just days after the Mumbai attacks.
Police in Mumbai blamed 10 Pakistanis and their leaders back home for the carnage that killed 171 people last month. But Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), the banned Pakistan-based group India accuses of planning the attack, has deep ties to Hyderabad. When an initial claim of responsibility for the Mumbai attacks was made in the name of "Deccan Mujahideen" - a previously unknown group - the perpetrators revived a historic Islamic claim on the Deccan Plateau, the territory which stretches between Mumbai and Hyderabad.
Extensive surveillance operations and intelligence investigations have failed to penetrate the inner workings of Hyderabad's radicals, officials admitted. "These kind of elements that are linked to violence even allow us to observe their gatherings," said Commissioner Rao. "But they know we are there and so do nothing to trigger suspicion."
Officials at the DJS madrassahs - religious schools - in Hyderabad were not willing to discuss the disappearance of the city's young men.
While there is no suggestion that the organisation orchestrates terrorist acts, the DJS carries a message on its website that is explicit about the right of Muslims to resort to violence.
"The DJS has trained and are training thousands of Muslim youths to defend themselves and to help, protect and defend the other Muslims," it states, before adding that once trained in "self defence" members can leave to join any other Muslim group.
It continues that "the long term goal of the DJS remains to achieve the supremacy and prevalence of Islam in practice in its entirety".
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Perhaps the Indian authorities, and those of any free nation, shouldn't spend so much time, money, and energy investigating why these young men have suddenly left town, and for where.

It would be more prudent, seems to me, to spend that time, money, and energy anticipating their return and preparing to make sure that, on the day they reappear anywhere on the globe as active jihadists, they are either arrested and tried for their crimes or, should they resist... slain on the spot.

That is, if they are armed and dangerous in their resitance, if any.

And what's going on in Pakistan itself? As the government makes luke-warm gestures against Jamaat-ud-Dawa, there has already been a backlash by pro-Jihadists.

From the AP article:

"In a first sign of dissent, about 500 people marched to a United Nations office in Pakistan's portion of divided Kashmir on Friday chanting slogans against the UN and India. Among their chants, 'India your death came, Lashkar came, Lashkar came!'"

That would be Lashkar-e-Taiba, which Pakistan had supposedly banned.

In a country where there is still not a fully enforceable system of registering births, marriages and deaths; where there is still no enforceable border controls or visa system (witness the mass migration of bangladeshi muslims into Assam etc. from where they can then travel throughout the country at free will, not to mention the border with pakistan, which is just as porous)and where the bureaucracy and law enforcement agencies are corruptible, totally inefficient and dates back to the Raj, the task to find a few missing muslims in a land where there are over 200 million of them(who knows? even more), many many of them willing to harbour, aid and abet a jihadi to see to it that the work of allah is done, is virtually nil.

Off the point

excellent article from wall st journal explains why they arent just hanging Somalian pirates and why the piracy trade is so low risk high reward

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122757123487054681.htmll

by the way:::typekey really stinks

India needs to get serious with this threat and shut down these madrassa, mosques that train these students.

sorry pirates got my posting and botched it

try this

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122757123487054681.html

type key or pad or whatever it is still stinks

Grim Reaper

I liked that Wall Street Journal article.

I got the distinct impression that the writer thought that sending all captured pirates to Davy Jones' Locker by the quickest available route would be an *excellent* idea.

The Indian authorities need to strip all family members of citizenship and send them all to pakistan. All assets should be seized.
Let them live in an islamic paradise.

muslims in india live in fear of fanatic hindus

Maybe they went to Minnesota. I hear there are a lot of cab driving positions opening up there for Muslims since the Somalis disappeared.

Pakistan's jihad training camps must be very busy training a large and revolving international crowd. With hundreds of jihadi's coming and going daily, the camps ought to be easy to spot.
There must be large numbers of trucks going to these camps, both military style and delivery trucks...Someone has to feed all those jihad trainee's, and import everything they need to run the camp. This is a major undertaking for a large camp. Not noticing this is like not noticing an elephant in the room...

I wonder if they train pirates as well?

Insulting pirates?
Real pirates don't have religion, never have, never will. That's because, the only God most of them knew about would get in the way of piracy.
So they, out of necessity, as a job requirement,
gave up religion, if they ever had any to begin with. The only religion most of them knew was that of riotous behavior, at sea and in the taverns.

But Mohammadan pirates have Allah behind them.
They have a religion...Islam. They have a philosophy, Islam, that takes them to a different level than real pirates. Real pirates steal what they know is not rightfully theirs...Mohammadans pirates don't steal, they 'take' what Allah has told them is already theirs.

So sea faring jihadists, robbing kufrs to further the causes of Allah, are not really pirates at
all, and calling them that insults real pirates.

muslims in india live in fear of fanatic hindus

Posted by: lkadvaniisafanatic

Spare me this crap.
Muslims have for many centuries been going around invading India, killing Hindu men, enslaving Hindu women and children, raping Hindu women and forcibly converting Hindu's to that evil creed called Islam. The islamic forces demolished many Hindu temples and whiped out Buddhism from India. The muslims were succesfull in carving out parts of the India territory for themselfs. Pakistan&Bangladesh belonged to India yet the muslims got those territories and declared them being ISLAMIC countries.Even that was not enough for those demon's. Muslims have been going around for some time bombing Hindu's and attacking Hindu Tempels.
So Hindu's are more than justified to strike back. And the muslim's should not play the 'innocent victim' for they deserve it if the Hindu's start taking revenge

Many right minded people already knew that India has a large fifth brigade. Yet the dhimmi Congress government denies the fact that there was local muslim involvement in the blasts, despite the fact that many intelligence experts agree that these terror attacks could not have taken place without the help of local muslims.
It is high time that India has a government that starts rounding up all muslims and start deporting them to Pakistan and Bangladesh and then build a well functioning border fence to prevent them from sneaking into India.
Pakistan&Bangladseh were carved out esspecially for the muslims, so the muslims have no right to live in India

As many as 40 potential recruits are reported to have left the city - which has a large Muslim minority - under extremist guidance, while many other young men cannot be traced.


This is an example of crack-pot math 101 if ever I saw one!

"Large Muslim minority" - "As many as 40 potential" = "what the hell are you talking about!"

Look, something is up alright -- big time! But don't try to quantify things with screwball numbers like these.

I have a solution alright, but it will get me banned from JW if I post it -- so here is my solution via telepathy!

" ...oooommmmmm!"

Yup, you just read my mind very clearly!

These guys are living proof that the world will never run out of assholes. Maybe they should join up with the Obama lunatics and form a club.

Rammer - thank you for your insights. As someone who has never been to India, I appreciate your "boots on the ground" analysis.

Hyderbad, also known as Cyberbad is one of India's main technology centers, as I understand. Many software engineers from Hyderbad come to the US on H1B visas, and I have the pleasure of now having friends from Chennai. Do you speak Telegu?

@ No More Ham,
I always had a great interest in India. I do try to read as much as possible of what is going on in India and about India's history.There are many news websites and websites dedicated to the true unbiased version of India's history, so it is not that hard to get information. As i am a Hindu and the fact that my ancestors (great grand-parents) came from India, that country has a very special place in my heart.
I was not born in India, have never lived in India,but in 2001 i went to India for a vacation and i hope to do that again. Perhaps in the future i might settle in India, but that's future talk no one knows what the future will bring.
I do not speak Telegu. That is one of the southern languages. My anchestors came from the north (Utthar Pradesh and Bihar).

Witness: "Large Muslim minority" - "As many as 40 potential" = "what the hell are you talking about!"

I noticed that also. Reminds me of the famous 'minute minority', now we have a 'large minority'.

Of course this sounds good, but there is one major flaw...No one knows how 'minute' is minute, or how 'large' is large.

I suppose you could get it down to one terrorist and you could call it minute, but how many then constitutes 'large'? There seems to be no upper limit to the large Mohammadan minority.
It is about 1.2 billion now and climbing. That's pretty 'large' for a 'minority'.

'What the hell are you talking about', is about right. I'm getting dizzy trying to figure it out.

I better get some more coffee and lay off that pipe...

I'm sure they will be back soon with presents for all. Don't worry India.

Hyderabad: Scores of young Muslims have "disappeared" to Pakistan for jihad training
Not a problem. This news is as good for India as Muslims leaving for Somalia to fight jihad is for the US.

Just see that they have no way of coming back. And apostate_islam is right - strip them of their citizenship, and go a step further - deport their Muslim families to Pakistan.

lkadvaniisafanatic

The LK Advani who called Jinnah a secular leader while in Karachi? That Advani? I'm hoping India never gets him as PM - when a BJP lead coalition next comes to power, Modi should be at the top, so that he can do for India what he did for Gujarat.

muslims in india live in fear of fanatic Hindus? If only!

P.S. Typepad seems better. Anybody else noticing this?

Infidel Pride:

Strange as it may seem, Advani was perfectly right in stating that Jinnah was 'secular'. He insisted on the separation of mosque and state up to his death. His vision was to see Pakistan as muslim Turkey, not a theocracy like Saudi arabia.

infidel_hindu

There are two things that can be claimed: either

a. Jinnah was secular
b. Jinnah was islamic

Now, Jinnah could have been a combination of both, with one characteristic trumping the other. In favor of (a) were the things you mention. In favor of (b) was his aggressive advocacy of a 2 nation theory.

If he was more secular than islamic, he'd have been perfectly happy to accept a single country, given that Gandhi, Nehru et al were more than happy to pander to Mohammedans. But he refused to accept a situation where Mohammedans would be a minority in an united India. Why? Not because they couldn't have continued to remain Mohammedans, but because they'd not be able to implement Islamic supremacy as a minority, as they since have in Pakistan, and later Bangladesh.

Therefore, regardless of what vision he had, when the rubber hit the road, he was more islamic than he was secular. Therefore Advani's statement in Sind, aside from being politically inane for a leader of a Hindutva party like the BJP, was also more wrong than right, if not downright wrong altogether.

Firstly, Jinnah was not secular because he believed in the "2 nation theory" that says Muslims could not live alongside Hindus without being persecuted by them. That's not secularism (although some left-wing PC types today might claim it is)

But the fact is that Jinnah was a whisky-drinker and a smoker, both of which are forbidden in Islam. That simply says that he was a hypocrite, but doesn't at all excuse his sectarianism.


lkadvaniisafanatic wrote:
"muslims in india live in fear of fanatic hindus"

Hindus aren't the fanatics, it's Muslims who are. And Muslims have poor relations with every other religion they've come into contact with. Muslims don't get along with anybody. Their faith doesn't allow them to.

GrimReaperxxx, thanks for posting the link to the Wall Street Journal piece by Bret Stephens on the resurgence of piracy in the Red Sea. I thought the article's final lines were most salient:

"A society that erases the memory of how it overcame barbarism in the past inevitably loses sight of the meaning of civilization, and the means of sustaining it."

This applies not just to piracy, but to all forms of Jihad as well.







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