"Islam: The way of life of Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad"

From our All Your Tradition Are Belong To Us Department comes the legend on this CAIR dawah (proselytizing) bus from Chicago, about which Marisol wrote here.

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"Islam: The way of life of Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad."

This is an odd departure for CAIR. Usually Islamic spokesmen in the West spin their reverence for these Biblical figures as a manifestation of Islam's generous and ecumenical spirit: see, Islam even reveres the principal figures of other religions! See, for example, this Christmas column by CAIR's Ibrahim Hooper (thanks to Axel). In it, Hooper proclaims the Islamic reverence for Jesus without ever telling his readers -- beyond a vague reference to the fact that "Muslims and Christians do have some differing perspectives on Jesus' life and teachings" -- that the Qur'an curses those who profess Jesus as the Son of God (9:30) and rejects the Trinity as blasphemy (5:73, 4:171). The thrust of his column is that Islam generously recognizes the importance of the central figure of Christianity, with the implication that if Muslims can revere Jesus in this way, why can't Christians revere Muhammad?

But the legend on the bus is different: it reflects the Islamic supremacist notion that the Biblical prophets and Jesus were all prophets of Islam whose Islamic teachings were corrupted by their followers to create Judaism and Christianity. This idea is rooted in the Qur'an -- see, for example, 3:67, which declares that while the Jews and the Christians both claim the patriarch Abraham as one of their own, he was actually a Muslim!

This concept completely delegitimizes Judaism and Christianity, relegating them to the status of false faiths, corrupted versions of the original Islam that was taught by their most important figures. Will this supremacist and utterly un-ecumenical claim on CAIR's dawah buses sell well with infidels? Well, probably it will turn some heads, and get some people to inquire. But in any case it is very interesting to see this delegitimization of Islam's fellow "Abrahamic faiths," so often denied by Islamic spokesmen in the West, openly affirmed in a campaign of Islamic proselytizing.

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What I can't wrap my head around is this: Jesus was hardly the kind of man that Mohammed was, and yet they claim Jesus was a Muslim. This is the kind of inconsistency that makes Islam a false religion.

Jesus, the Jewish Messiah is not the same person as the Issa, the moslem version.
Issa is supposed to descend from heaven (where he has been since he was rescued from the cross, he didn't die for our sins ) to Damascus (not Jerusalem) where he will help the mahdi kill all Jews and break all crosses.
Hardly the Biblical Jesus.
Just another thing the moslems claim was theirs.

Well, I am glad that a man like father Botros is standing up to the lies of Islam and proclaiming the truth in language that is plain and honest.

"Islam: The way of life of Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad"

But not necessarily the same way of life.

From article: This concept completely delegitimizes Judaism and Christianity, relegating them to the status of false faiths, corrupted versions of the original Islam that was taught by their most important figures.

Indeed it does, and its effect will be felt. This is a 'stealth jihad' form of brain washing the masses.

It is presented to the unsuspecting, and for the most part uneducated (about Islam) public, who overall, is gullible enough to believe most anything.

Especially the liberal/leftist part, who just voted in a new Prophet, (and everyone thought Mohammad was the last...).

And there is no rebuttal, no debate, no exposure to the truth...Just a big propaganda sign on a bus, designed to fool the gullible.

Clever...

Muslims can claim that that Abraham and Jesus, and the others, believe in allah, but they can not claim that they were muslims.

Muslims are those that believe in allah and that Mohammad was his messanger.

Those people believed that THEY were god's messenger. Did any of them mention Mohammad?


Oh, right, they did but were corrupted, right?

That's why it is written "Khadidja was the FIRST muslim." Because she was the first one to believe in Mohammad.

Proselytizing and false information. Trying to equate Islam with Judaism and Christianity so that the infidels feel some sort of affinity to it. What a lie. It is appalling to say the least, after all was it not the Jews who cast out Mohammad for being a false prophet? I mean literally the Jews knew back then that this guy is a mass murdering thug.

I really do not know what it is but again I have to say Islam has it made in the past and now again in the modern era. Unlike any other religion from Christianity to Hinduism modern TV and Media have focused on Islam and Mohammedans.

See, for example, this Christmas column by CAIR's Ibrahim Hooper.
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So, what does Hooper present in that Taqiyya-filled Christmas gift of his? Here's an excerpt:

"...as forces of hate in this country and worldwide try to pull Muslims and Christians apart, we are in desperate need of a unifying force that can bridge the widening gap of interfaith misunderstanding and mistrust. That force could be the message of love, peace and forgiveness taught by Jesus and accepted by followers of both faiths.
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Wow--it's just like that message on those "Coexist" bumper stickers! Notice, too, that the above implies that "forces of hate in this country (oh, and world-wide) try to pull Muslims and Christians apart". What forces are implicated in this phrasing? The Christian "religious right" The Department of Homeland Security? Certainly not wholesale Muslim violence against Christians worldwide--in Iraq, and Egypt, and the Philippines, and Kosovo, and Nigeria.

more:

In it, Hooper proclaims the Islamic reverence for Jesus without ever telling his readers -- beyond a vague reference to the fact that "Muslims and Christians do have some differing perspectives on Jesus' life and teachings" -- that the Qur'an curses those who profess Jesus as the Son of God (9:30) and rejects the Trinity as blasphemy (5:73, 4:171).
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Actually, it's even worse than that.

more from Hooper's "Christmas Letter":

"When Muslims mention the Prophet Muhammad, they always add the phrase "peace be upon him." Christians may be surprised to learn that the same phrase always follows a Muslim's mention of Jesus or that we believe Jesus will return to earth in the last days before the final judgment."
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So, what is the role of Jesus (really Isa) in those last days, as Muslims see it? Certainly not what Christians might imagine. He is come to "Break the cross and kill the pigs"--to do away with the Jizya that enable Christians under Muslim rule to remain Christians (albeit in a humiliated state). The choices, then, are conversion to Islam or death. Isa returns to earth to *slay Christians*.

I was stunned a year ago when I spoke with a representative from "Why Islam" and he admitted this to me. When I said that Isa would return to kill Christians, he said, "of course, because they have lied about him!" (that is, have considered him the Son of God (shirk) and do not recognize him as a Muslim).

Reposted from the earlier bus item:

Upon seeing this bus advertisement, I'm surprised that various evangelical Christian groups haven't used the same medium to promote their faith, perhaps with a message like "Jesus said: 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Light.'" One sees such messages on billboards along the highways in many parts of the country. Perhaps the bus companies' ad fees are too high. Or perhaps the evangelicals have tried, and been refused by the bus companies. The bus companies in virtually all American cities are government agencies, and so they might refuse such ads on the basis of separation of church and state. If this is the case, one wonders why the Moslem ads are acceptable.
In any case, it's nice to see Moslem money going to support public transit.

Whatever happened to the billboard fund?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006018.php

Might not work for buses, but I would like every stationary billboard rebutted with another one nearby. For example, a while back, I noticed a "Muhammad, peace unto mankind" billboard from the Islamic Circle of North America on the main expressway leading into O'hare airport, so why not have an advertisement for "The Truth About Muhammad" or "Stealth Jihad" a billboard or two down the road? Or at least something like this one:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2008/11/023609print.html

We can't just sit around whining and complaining here, because the uninformed don't read this site.

Frustratingly, I find that when I present this kind of information, or news of the typical and continued Islamic attempt to hijack and distort Jewish and Christian beliefs, I am met with blank stares, or voices of protest and opposition. People outside of this community, you know, those NOT standing firmly against the spread of Sharia and Islamic Jihad, are just burried under such a heap of denial about this. I cannot tell you how many times I get the resonse "Oh! But we need to accept everyone as they are! We are in a country that emphasizes freedom of religion!" Noboy was making these pleas when David Koresh was burning his house of followers down in Waco. We called it what it was: a wretched distortion of the Christian faith, and hence, a dangerous cult following.

My hope is that Jews and Christians alike would lock arms and push back against this! From my research and understanding, while Jews do not accept the Christian belief system, they DO, however, acknowledge that both faiths worship the God of Israel, and those that believe in heaven believe that Christians are awarded that same promise for that shared belief in GOD - NOT Allah!

This actually goes back to the many important exchanges Concerned Citizen and Abdullah Mikhail have shared on these boards regarding the fact that there is no biblical OR historical proof of pre-mohammadean Islam. End of discussion!

Sophia, I totally agree, and I would be a major monetary contributor to those causes! Thank you for mentioning that!

It helps to keep the full social and political context of Muhammad's life in mind when we encounter the Muslim view of Christianity and Judaism.

Almost all the inhabitants of pre-Islamic Mecca were illiterate. Among the plethora of cults that surrounded him, not unlike pre-Christian Roman society, two stood out as cults that had "A Book", a rare and extremely unusual distinction among them all. Since the Christians claimed to be a superset of Judaism, the New and Old Testament combined to form "The Book" (al-Kitaab), perhaps the only book in existence in the world that he had ever experienced. He lamented that the Arabs did not have "A Book" so he decided that it was necessary to create one. Jews and Christians were wealthy and powerful. Jews and Christians had a book. Ergo, the non-Jewish and non-Christian Arabs needed a book of Arab origin if they were to achieve political, social, cultural and economic ascendancy over the Jews and Christians.

But how was he, an illiterate, to produce something as rare a treasure as a book? No problem, start with an oral tradition and somewhere along the line someone who IS literate will eventually put it in writing. So the Quran began as an oral tradition in typical ancient storyteller fashion and its "recitation" (tilawat), in the manner of the Jewish tradition of recitation of the Torah, eventually becomes an important Muslim ritual. Though fragments of the utterances of Muhammad were recorded on scraps of parchment, bones, plant material, stones, clay shards or whatever else might be handy, by scribes who happened to be present when they were spoken, the first "authoritative" collection and codification of these oral traditions and formally rendered into writing was accomplished after Muhammad's death by his elected successor, Abu Bakr, a process that was prompted by the loss at the battle of Yamama in 633 A.D. of over 700 Muslim warriors (a redundant term) who had committed the Quran to memory.

An important element of his strategy was to subsume the Judaeo-Christian Book into his own. Scholars have produced many excellent exegeses in which the Judaeo-Christian scriptures are easily identified as the source of social, political, economic and mythological ideas. He didn't get it all right though and much of his own confusion, due to his own illiteracy no doubt, about the content of the Judaeo-Christian scriptures is abundantly in evidence in his attempt to co-opt them. For example, verses in the Quran explicitly identify the mother of Jesus as one and the same as the sister of Moses, a 600 year error in historical chronology (or even mythical for those reluctant to accept any historical attribute of Biblical narrative), that also leads to the mistaken belief that Moses is the maternal uncle of Jesus, a belief that is reinforced by hadith.

'Pedophile: the way of life for convicted felons, sexual predators, and Mohammad'.

Dear Miami Transit:
You have made a grievous error in judgment. I implore you and your colleagues to recognize the threat of Islam in America. Please reconsider your part in Islamic proselytizing within your transit system. Political Islam is irreconcilably in conflict with our Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees.

Islam is not just a religion; it is a political-judicial-cultural ideology as defined by the quran, hadith and sira as implemented under sharia law. Islam replaces or subjugates anything non-Islamic. Wherever Islam grows, jihad is in play as existing governments and unbelieving (kafir) culture are conquered, by political or violent means. More than 12,000 acts of violent jihad have occurred around the globe since September 11, 2001. A second, stealth jihad is underway also, an insurrection which begins with a demand for deferential treatment of Islam, including insistence on religious accommodations, judicial separateness, and general cultural and educational non-integration. In addition, imagined affronts to Islam are claimed and redress demanded. These signs are a part of the larger stealth jihad currently underway.

The Muslim Brotherhood has declared their ‘work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's [Allah’s] religion is made victorious over all other religions.’ CAIR and numerous other Islamic organizations and “charities” are connected to the Muslim Brotherhood. The bus displays you allowed are a disinformation campaign devised to lull Americans into believing the Muslims community desires a secular government, and believe in equality and the same freedoms we enjoy. This is a façade. Islam is submission to Allah and the tenants found in the quran, hadith and sira. Read some of it.

Islam is supremacist in nature, discriminatory in practice, restricts freedom of thought and action and violates universal human rights. Muslim-Muslim relations are completely separate from Muslim-kafir relations, where deceit is sanctioned. Islam is incompatible with our values and sensibilities of freedom and secularism.

No matter the temperament of individual Muslims, the Islamic community as a whole, the ‘ummah’ drives the process of Islamization in every country where Islam thrives. Political correctness is used to advantage. Also, violence, legal intimidation, sedition and subversive behaviors are common and strategic. Islam and it tenants are the antithesis of our country’s history and free thinking traditions and its growth will suffocate future intellectual, cultural and artistic growth.

Please reconsider your role in this farse. No amount of business or money is worth dismantling your country, the sole place on earth where liberty is given the honor it deserves.

I keep saying this: In 06 a 1000 year old psalms book was found by a backhoe guy digging for peat. It was in good shape and cemented open to psalms 83. Being a sceptic by heart I snoped it and found it was true. You can find it on the internet by looking up 'Psalms book Irish bog' or something of that nature.
So digging up the old bible my mother gave me when I went to sunday school I found out that psalms 83 said that the middle eastern gangs would try to take the name of god and destroy Israel but they couldn't because the name of god is Johova. I thought yes, we will win. I put it on a painting I was doing of an Arabian horse so that everytime an Arab sees it they will see psalms 83 written in Arabic. In your eye.

Dear Chicago Transit Authority:
You have made a grievous error in judgment... (same letter).

Chicago Transit Authority: jshaw@transitchicago.com

Miami Transit: rob.shilling@cbsoutdoor.com

Let them hear you roar.

I was involved in an online community for Chicago Transit information. When I learned of this, I posted the following message:

"I was walking near ___ and saw a #___ bus with a huge advertisement for Islam. (Something called Gain Peace.com). This was not something small, it covered the entire side of the bus! (Whether it was on both sides, I don't know. I could only see one side from where I was standing.)

It is not the business of the CTA to be promoting any religion, much less Islam. If you're as concerned about this as I am, please contact the CTA."

I left contact information for CTA.

You should have seen the outcry! I finally had to remove myself from this community. I figured people wouldn't be thrilled, but I never imagined the level of anger. And yet I'd bet hard money that if this had been something blatantly promoting Christianity, they would never have defended it. It mind boggling, how this ideology continues to be defended by people!

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I sent a similar message to CTA. Same first paragraph, followed by:

"Since when is it the business of the CTA to be promoting any religion? Are there going to be ads promoting Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and all the other religions of the world?

More importantly, since when is it the business of the CTA to be promoting the religion responsible for the terrorist attacks of September 11 here in the States, as well as the attacks in London and Madrid, the kidnapping and beheading of journalists like Daniel Pearl and other civilians, the rioting and death threats over the Mohammad cartoons and all the rest?

As a lifelong customer of the CTA’s services, I think I’m entitled to an explanation. And I would also ask that these ads be removed immediately."

This was their reply:

"Thank you for your complaint and we are sorry you are offended by the ad. The CTA does not endorse any product that is subject to paid advertising, and ads promoting products or services connected with most religions have been among the many advertisers who buy space on CTA buses and trains.

As a public agency, the Chicago Transit Authority is required by law to accept any advertisement that meets standard advertising requirements which are set forth in CTA Ordinance No. 91‑169. Among the requirements: advertising must be truthful and not directed to inciting imminent lawless action; advertising must not be legally obscene; and advertising must not portray graphic violence. Although the advertisement that you cited promotes a message that you find objectionable, that is not grounds for CTA to legally refuse such advertising.

CTA contracts with a third party vendor, Titan Worldwide, to manage its commercial advertising space and will be made aware of your comments. If you are offended by the content of the ad, you may also want to contact the advertiser directly.

--CTA Customer Service"

I hate Islam and always will.....

A billboard campaign countering this propaganda might be effective but there are some clear problems.

Where is the funding to come from? Money presupposes involvement and commitment and there is as yet no evidence that the general public really cares that much. In fact as has been pointed out, the intention may be simply to get the public accustomed to this kind of outreach, colonizing or at least numbing the public mindset.

Then, what is to be said? Much could be said, as evidenced by key passages from the Qur'an and ahadith. But how could this be done with being construed as hate speech? And it surely will be construed as such. Sites such as this one perform and invaluable service, but there is clearly a difference between a web site and a billboard, in more ways than the media themselves suggest.

What is the next sensible and effective step for those who definitely take issue with the sentiments plastered on the side of that bus?


Insofar as these are ads selling a product - and that is how the advertisers look at it - they cannot mispresent what they advertise, meaning Islam. - You could sue on that basis (as Mo reported in the CTA letter, the product must be truthful), but then again you'll have a hard time proving that Muhammed even existed - or Moses for that matter.

All this is weird.


Insofar as these are ads selling a product - and that is how the advertisers look at it - they cannot mispresent what they advertise, meaning Islam. - You could sue on that basis (as Mo reported in the CTA letter, the product must be truthful), but then again you'll have a hard time proving that Muhammed even existed - or Moses for that matter.

All this is weird.

Why was my comment taken down?

Goebbels! Goebbels! (PBUH)

If CTA says that legally advertisiements must be true then they have to pull it. Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus weren't Muslims. They predated ISlam by centuries and millenia. I just wrote Rob Schilling and told him how it is illegal to (a) post an untruthful ad, (b) do business with a banned agency, and (c) incite violence, which promoting Islam most certainly does. I just checked the website and it's the same Rob Schilling who does advertising for Miami-Dade's bus system. They have a complaint form on their website too:

http://www.co.miami-dade.fl.us/transit/complaint.asp

Put "33122" for the zip code.

jdamn,
If there is a counter ad, the anti-nativity hounds will freak-out and protest.

No attempt to reason with them will have any effect.

No, we’re going quietly into that good night without even a peep of protest.

I posted on this page this morning and the comment is gone. Understandable if the number of comments bumped it. Also understandable if my use of biblical references to refute the notion these pseudo historical gentlemen were muslims was offensive somehow. Beyond that I am confused and far too busy to bother to comment at all if the comments are deemed unworthy. Just say the word bro and I will desist. Thanx

People, it's a different thread with a same picture. Look for the earlier post.

Question: Do Muslims insist on killing you if try to you leave Islam once you join?

Answer: Yes.

Any further questions...?

Jewcat, I just want the ad pulled. I'm not suggesting some counter-ad. But that's disgraceful and unacceptable I just want it replaced with an ad for McDonalds or Tampax or anything but a taqiyya campaign.

Curse or qital?

Pickthall 9:30 "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth* against them. How perverse are they!"

*Qatalahumu

Allah's q-t-l word in 9:30 is variously translated as curse, fight, destroy, assail, and battle. I think Pickthall's "fight" is more accurate than the more passive "curse." "Curse" may also be understood, though, in Allah imposing upon the Christians and Jews the dhimma, or slaughter, and burning them in hellfire in the hereafter (i.e., "cursed in this world and the next"). Curse seems to be a mild word for what is, in the end, a total annihilation that is maximally painful.

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"Muslims and Christians do have some differing perspectives on Jesus' life and teachings" --CAIR's Ibrahim Hooper as quoted

"Differing perspectives" that in Islam are used to decide between dominance or subjugation, life or death, paradise or hell-fire.

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In the Quran, Jews and Christians are called disbelievers [9:30-32, see 9:32, alkafiroona; 5:11-17 see 5:17 kafara; 5:72-73 kafara, kafaroo; 98:6 kafaroo (disbelievers) are “worst of created beings”; 9:29 and fight (q-t-l) those who believe not in Allah, the Last Day, Mohammad, and Islam].

Anyone who denies Muhammad's revelations is denying Allah's revelations:

6:33 "We know well how their talk grieveth thee, though in truth they deny not thee (Muhammad) but evil-doers flout the revelations of Allah."

Christians and Jews and all non-Muslims must convert to Islam--or else:

3:19. "Lo! religion with Allah (is) the Surrender* (to His Will and Guidance). Those who (formerly) received the Scripture differed only after knowledge came unto them, through transgression among themselves. Whoso disbelieveth the revelations of Allah (will find that) lo! Allah is swift at reckoning."
*al-islamu

3:20. (Pickthall) "And if they argue with thee, (O Muhammad), say: I have surrendered*1 my purpose to Allah and (so have) those who follow me. And say unto those who have received the Scripture and those who read not: Have ye (too) surrendered?*2 If they surrender,*3 then truly they are rightly guided, and if they turn away, then it is thy duty only to convey the message (unto them). Allah is Seer of (His) bondmen."
*1 aslamtu
*2 aaslamtum
*3 aslamoo

3:85 "And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender* (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter."
*al-islami

Everyone must accept Muhammad:

49:15. "The (true) believers are those only who believe in Allah and His messenger and afterward doubt not, but strive with their wealth and their lives for the cause of Allah. Such are the sincere."

Obeying the People of the Book could lead Muslims into apostasy:

3:100. “Oh you who believe! If you obey a group of those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians), they would (indeed) render you disbelievers after you have believed!”

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Christians and Jews in the Hadith:

Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Number 4366: Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:"Umar heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: 'I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims.'"

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985.
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 658:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said "How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Quran and not by the law of Gospel (Fateh-ul Bari page 304 and 305 Vol 7).

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 37, Number 4310:
“Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.”

"Sahih Muslim, Chapter 8: THROWING OF NON-BELIEVERS IN HELL-FIRE FOR BELIEVERS AS DIVINE GRACE AND MERCY"

Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6665:
Abu Musa' reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire.

Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6666:
Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: No Muslim would die but Allah would admit in his stead a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire. 'Umar b. Abd al-'Aziz took an oath: By One besides Whom there is no god but He, thrice that his father had narrated that to him from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him).

Malik’s Muwatta, Book 43, Number 43.15.8b:
Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz gave a decision that when a Jew or Christian was killed, his blood-money was half the blood-money of a free Muslim.
Malik said, "What is done in our community, is that a muslim is not killed for a kafir unless the muslim kills him by deceit. Then he is killed for it."*
Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that Sulayman ibn Yasar said, "The blood-money of a magian is eight hundred dirhams."
Malik said, "This is what is done in our community."
Malik said, "The blood-monies of the jew, christian, and magian in their injuries, is according to the injury of the muslims in their blood-moneys. The head wound is a twentieth of his full blood-money. The wound that opens the head is a third of his blood-money. The belly-wound is a third of his blood-money. All their injuries are according to this calculation."

*Except of course in jihad in the cause of Allah, e.g., see Muhammad's permission to use deception to assassinate Kab bin Ashraf.

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The Legacy of Jihad, p. 261. From The Jihad or Holy War According to the Malikite School. Edmund Fagnan.
"14… The dhimmi is punished if he “…manifests his religious opinions, if he speaks in a disrespectful manner…”
15… “The protection agreement is breached…when he insults a prophet using expressions permitted by his faith, such as the following which has been reported: ‘He is not the prophet, God did not send him—the Qur’an was not revealed to him—he’s the author of it—Jesus created Muhammad—Muhammad is a poor man: he tells you that he is in paradise, but why, then, could he not defend himself from the biting dogs?’21 The guilty party [in this last case] is put to death if he does not convert.”
The Legacy of Jihad, p. 207. From Shara ‘i’ u ‘l-Islam. Al-Hilli (d. 1277).
“The six conditions to which the infidel tributaries must be subjected are as follows:
…193 A tributary who blasphemes the prophet must be put to death.”
194. A tributary who speaks irreverently about the memory of the Prophet incurs a corporal punishment only, if the terms of the treaty did not include a prohibition of this act.5”
Note 5: “5. Otherwise, the treaty can be dissolved, since it has been violated.”"

Ishaq, p. 461. (Muhammad gets a message from Allah, relayed through Gabriel, to attack the Banu Qurayza).
"When the apostle approached their forts he said, 'You brothers of monkeys, has God disgraced you and brought vengeance upon you?' They replied, 'O Abu' l-Qasim, you are not a barabarous person.'"
[...] "The apostle beseiged them for twenty-five nights until they were sore pressed and God cast terror into their hearts."

Hadith: Jews must convert to Islam--or else:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 438:
Narrated Anas: A young Jewish boy used to serve the Prophet and he became sick. So the Prophet went to visit him. He sat near his head and asked him to embrace Islam. The boy looked at his father, who was sitting there; the latter told him to obey Abu-l-Qasim and the boy embraced Islam. The Prophet came out saying: "Praises be to Allah Who saved the boy from the Hell-fire."

Christian and Jews are astray:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 662:
“Narrated Abu Said: The Prophet said, "You will follow the wrong ways, of your predecessors so completely and literally that if they should go into the hole of a mastigure*, you too will go there." We said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, "Whom else?" (Meaning, of course, the Jews and the Christians.)”
*A kind of lizard.

Of course they lie. That's what false prophets do, they lie. They speak the opposite of the truth.

Why was my comment taken down?

Posted by: Seth.Levy at December 12, 2008 4:13 PM

I agree. Me too. Why?

I posted about people going to the New Times (link provided in the article) and commenting.

What the?

Oh, I see that the Miami "New Times" link is gone. Why? Here it is:

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2008/12/south_florida_muslims_use_bus.php

I don't get it. Why is the article changed to Chicago?

Shalom;

Anybody see this bus 'first-hand?'

I blew up the picture. Did pixel comparison.

Just to verify what I thought to be obvious. This is a photo-shopped image. Check it yourself.

I expect better from you, Jihad Watch.

Regards,
Mordechai

From a marketing perspective, Islam is and has always been a defective product and JW is a 'Consumer Reports', constantly, tirelessly and successfully alerting the public of its dangers.

I expect better from you, Jihad Watch.

Regards,
Mordechai

Posted by: Mordechai at December 13, 2008 11:03 AM

Uh, excuse me, Mordechai. Why don't you take a gander at the above Miami New Times link I posted which contains a very real article about this bus in Miami?

It's real.


Mordechai

Could you please tell me a little more on that Ezra which according to the Koran, Jews worship as the son of God?

Re: From a post above:
TPickthall 9:30 "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah...!"

Thanks

The way of life of Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad...

Except in Islam...

1) Jesus was never the Son of God
2) Jesus was never Crucified
3) Jesus will one day return to deny he was every the Son of God
4) Jesus will lead a Muslim army against all the Christian and Jewish infidel and give them the opportunity to convert to Islam or die - "leaving all religion for Allah alone".

So overall, just minor differences - way too small to bring up at the next interfaith!

I just blew up the pic. Nothing's photoshopped. Notice that the troll didn't say how or why he thought it was photoshopped, as would be expected had anyone with a brain made a similar claim, cf. Pam Gellar's essay-length explanation as to how Hussein Obama's COLB was photoshopped. If it had been a legitimate claim he would have said that the reflection was off or a seam didn't match up. It's real. Mohammedan argument style: make fallacious claims with no evidence to back them up. Also note that he didn't take this to the Miami New Times, from whence the pic came. Douchehat.

They just did this is Florida also.

Florida:Volunteers Needed To Counter CAIR's con

http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/11/floridavolunteers-needed-to-counter.html

"Also note that he didn't take this to the Miami New Times, from whence the pic came"
Posted by: jdamn

I don't think "Mordechai" will be answering my question either.

"I just blew up the pic. Nothing's photoshopped. Notice that the troll didn't say how or why he thought it was photoshopped..." --jdamn

"Mordechai's" real name is Mohammed. Total Mohammedan troll.


Dr. Mark Durie, an authority on comparitive religion and a defendant in a 'blasphemy trial [Melbourne 2003], easily trashes Hooper's claim


'Isa, the Muslim Jesus by Dr Mark Durie

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/15959.htm

good link rad , thank you

There is no true peace in Islam. This gainpeace.com will not lead you to the truth, but it will lead you away from the One True God.

Isaiah 9:5-7: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

How ironic with both Christmas and Hannukah around the corner another false message has come out.

If Islam is so right and true why is the Christian faith THE REAL FASTEST growing faith?

Jesus and Moses were devine beings. Muhammed is the world's worst terrorist according to the Koran. Read it and prove me wrong if you can.

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