An update on this story. "Girl strangled slowly for family's honour," from the Herald Sun, December 2 (thanks to JE):
A JORDANIAN man slowly strangled his 16-year-old married sister, using wire and the girl's scarf, after she visited a female friend because he had to "cleanse family honour". After jailing the unidentified 20-year-old man for seven years, Judge Hassan Amayreh said: "It took him 30 minutes to strangle his sister to death with a metal wire and her own scarf."
The girl, who had been married for six months, died in January in the Gaze refugee camp in the town of Jerash, north of the capital.
"I handed down the defendant a 15-year sentence on Sunday, but his family gave up their legal rights and the sentence was reduced," Hassan Amayreh said.
By how much? And what would the sentence be if he had slowly strangled a Jordanian, Muslim man?
In such cases in Jordan, if family members drop charges against those who carry out the crime, a court usually commutes or reduces sentences.
Amayreh said the brother "has confessed, and claimed that he killed his sister to cleanse his family's honour after her husband complained that she regularly disappeared from home without a reason".
Girls under 18 can legally get married in Jordan.
"She was killed six months after her marriage, and investigations proved that she was visiting her female friend, and not somebody else," the judge said.
In Jordan, between 15 and 20 women are murdered annually in the name of "honour." Last year around 17 such killings were recorded.
Perpetrators get reduced sentences asparliament has refused to reform the penal code to ensure harsher sentences, despite campaigns by local and international human rights activists.
Really convinient in cases of honor killings, where the family has a conflict of interest (both killer and victim belonging to it), and gets to release their killer relative.
such rulings serve only to encourage honor killings not deter them....Islam is so backwards...
Gloria? Rosie? Oprah? Hilary? Condalezza? Nancy? The entire staff of NOW? Western feminists? Anybody without a "Y" chromozome?
The acceptance of Islam as a legitimate religion condemns millions of women to the treatment described above. Islam is the largest crime against women that has ever existed in the history of the human race.
Ladies - I am not opposed to feminism, but a stand must be taken against this organized oppression. What are your thoughts?
Yes, of course, tanstaafl; feminists should be shouting from the rooftops about Islamic oppression of women.
Phylis Chesler has written a lot about the curious lack of outrage displayed by most feminists. (Her site is: http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/) I'm sure there must be at least a few others. (Jdam? I bet you're on top of this.)
All I know from personal experience is that, here in the NYC area there's nary a bad word raised about Islam regarding women amongst my female friends. (To be "anti-terrorism" is OK.)
Why, I've even heard one speak of Islamic coverings as portable privacy.
Go figure.
[And oh crap; TypePad's back to it's tricks again. I knew I shouldn't have said "no problem anymore" yesterday!]
Nope. Phyllis Chesler's about it, except for the apostate gang (Nonie Darwish, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali) and Jan Goodwin. Women's studies departments won't go there. Phyllis Chesler is not only the only outspoken feminist who talks about Islam's misogyny, but she's the only academic anywhere, with the exception of Daniel Pipes, who does so honestly. I think that women's rights may be the key to unraveling Islam, but I honestly don't care about Muslim women. The treatment of women in Islam is horrible and it outrages me on a daily basis, but it's not genocide and sedition. Genocide and sedition - the aspects of Islam that affect infidels - are the parts of it that bother me the most. Islam's rabid misogyny just serves to highlight how disgusting and ridiculously backward it is. There's not genocide going on in my town. There IS female genital mutilation, sanctioned rape of little girls, polygyny, women getting beaten, etc. That's disgusting, but it doesn't affect me, and I just have a hard time feeling sorry for any woman who is so stupid and lacking in self-respect to buy into a dogma that has so little respect for her. What Islam does to little girls...now, that just kills me.
I simply find nothing, not one single aspect of Islam to be tolerable. Islam's misogyny is useful, though, in that it serves the purpose of making other infidels understand just how intolerable it is. What was the thing about Islam that first got your attention and made you want to learn about it, no doubt out of a morbid fascination? With me it was fgm, plus this dude in my department who defended polgyny. The way he did it, it was clear that Islam's concept of 'marriage' was nothing like that of any decent human being. Then I found out about Aisha, then Saffiya, then Rayhana. It was actually Abul Kasem's 'Sex and Sexuality in Islam' and Sina's challenge that really got my attention. It was Islam's misogyny that really changed the way I looked at the Muslims around me, that made me find them intolerable.
And DenverRodeo, if you're reading this, the husband in the Saudi couple I know treats her every bit as well as any guy I ever dated treated me, and I'm picky. He even said that they moved where they did because it was the apartment she wanted. They have they TV they have because it was the one she wanted, and lots of things in their lives are the way they because they are how she wants them. She has more say than he does. That's probably the #1 thing that makes me feel like they're ok.
But I just can't feel sorry for grown Muslim women. I will never, ever be able to wrap my head around how it is that anyone could be that stupid and that lacking in self-respect. I hate the hijab. I hate those fake little girl voices they all speak in. I hate demureness. I hate parasitic people. I hate how they inflict all those same cruel horrors upon their own daughters. I hate how they hate their daughters. If anything, Muslim women disgust me more than Muslim men, and that's saying something.
Thank God I have the family I do, for all their faults, that they raised me to believe that I was nobody's inferior, that there was nothing I couldn't do if I didn't put my mind to it, that I never had to let anybody mistreat me, and that my sister and I were and still are their pride and joy. Islam has a way of putting things in perspective.
By the way, I once had a conversation with a lady in Women's Affairs about Islam in the course of dealing with the whole stalking/harassment thing. I was trying to explain to her about Islam and why, even if doing so weren't in violation of my Title VII rights and the Code of Conduct, given what they had done, merely chatting with malignantly narcissistic psychopaths would only put my life in danger rather than solve anything (which was what she wanted, since I'm Jewish). This was the lady who ignored me for 6 weeks in hopes that the Chair of my department's little 'final solution' would play itself out so that she wouldn't have to deal with me. She kept defending Islam even though she clearly knew nothing about it, mostly with these horrible, fabricated, venomous moral equivalence statements about Christianity.
While making it clear to me that my case was not the kind of case that she felt was worthwhile she told me how much it meant to her to defend some parasitic sex-slave baby factory who had been 'harassed' by a couple of guys who took issue with her hijab. They didn't make fun of her or shout anything at her or anything like that. They engaged her in conversation and asked her how she could wear something so degrading and creepy, although I'm sure their terms weren't as direct as mine. So she turned them in to the Gender Incidents Team. I gave her my opinion on the hijab, how I think it's the same thing as Jews who would willingly starve themselves, shave their own heads (like Howie Mandell), and wear Nazi prison uniforms around, as its purpose is to rob them of 100% of their dignity, their identity, and their self-respect, and how it is intended to remind women that they are filthy creatures who have no business doing anything but being chained to a stove, getting raped, and crapping out babies. I also told her how many people like myself find it infinitely more offensive than any swastika or Confederate flag, as it serves to remind us how they're just biding their time until the day of mass-murder, rape, enslavement, plunder, and torture arrives, at least in the West. Her response was that it was a symbol of 'pride.' So I asked her: what do Muslims have to be proud of, what had they accomplished, even one of them, given 1400 years and billions of people to do so, that was worth anything of any value in any way, shape or form? Silence. Crickets.
I then asked this woman what aspect of Islam she felt to be tolerable, and what she hated so much about Christianity, since her hatred for it was so fierce. I was in a position to defend Christianity, which I find to be a noble faith, since I attended a Catholic high school and studied religion my whole time there. She had worked in some small-town Planned Parenthood and seen a few people justify incest with Christianity, but could not explain how Christianity sanctioned incest, which it doesn't, nor does it sanction violating anyone's human rights in any way. It's all about the Golden Rule. I then told her how Koran 2.223 gives men permission to rape their own daughters and sisters, to commit polygamy, and to own sex slaves. Her response was, again, more fabricated, tu quoque statements about Christianity, based not on the Bible, but on things that a few 'Christians' did which had nothing to do with Christianity and directly contradicted it while I was talking about Islamic law, the rule, not the exception. This is how discussions about Islam go in a university setting. The fact that all Muslim women are required to live their entire lives as sex slaves unless they are lucky enough to be widowed (which is certain death, but still preferable as far as I can tell), often as just one of many, did not faze this woman in the least.
This is the kind of evil that pervades academia, not that this woman had an advanced degree or anything. It may be largely willful ignorance, but basically anything that furthers their seditious, godless, genocidal agenda is a good thing as far as these people are concerned. They have no concern for human rights or equality or anything positive. I'm convinced that feminism and gay right are merely useful to them, but not something that they actually care about.
Then she comitted a FERPA violation against me and I wrote the DoE. She's going down, that evil bitch.
jdamn - I understand your perspective, logic and reasoning.
However, as pathological as the individuals in Islamic society are - no one should live under this oppressive 7th century sociopathic system.
No one.
One of my favorite professors once remarked that conscience cannot guarantee civilization, only law can compel it. This is not an acceptable choice for human beings, despite their support for it.
There is no "freedom" that allows someone to oppress themselves or their descendents.
Thanks for your wonderful post. I really enjoy reading them.
Thank you, tanstaafl. You're going to have to tell me what your nick means one of these days.
[C]onscience cannot guarantee civilization, only law can compel it.
That's because everyone has a price. Wrt Muslim women, to quote one of Sheik's songs, "what's in it for [them]?" That's why I think they're stupid. This is the Free World. They can leave and get a new life. That's what every non-Muslim 18 year-old does. What is wrong with them that they don't?
Marwan's Daughter probably has some perspective on that since she reads forums for Muslimahs. I don't have the stomach for it. I figure it's just a combination of zero self-esteem combined with Stockholm Syndrome, which, again, is just stupid.
jdamn - Read Robert A. Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".
There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch, here I thought you were a libertarian. (Smile.)
"I once read that this is an Islamic convention - if the family of a murdered person forgives the perpetrator, the sentence is commuted.
Really convinient in cases of honor killings, where the family has a conflict of interest (both killer and victim belonging to it), and gets to release their killer relative."
Also useful for euthanasia, and raking in inheritances.
A JORDANIAN man slowly strangled his 16-year-old married sister, using wire and the girl's scarf, after she visited a female friend because he had to "cleanse family honour".
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This little teenager "stained the family honor" by *visiting her girlfriend*. So much for the idea that honor killings are all about the immorality of adultery (you hear Muslim apologists trot this out all the time).
more:
After jailing the unidentified 20-year-old man for seven years, Judge Hassan Amayreh said: "It took him 30 minutes to strangle his sister to death with a metal wire and her own scarf."
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My God--this poor girl. How much time did she have to contemplate the horrifying fact that her own brother was slowly strangling her to death before she lost concousness?
Infidel Pride wrote:
In such cases in Jordan, if family members drop charges against those who carry out the crime, a court usually commutes or reduces sentences.
I once read that this is an Islamic convention - if the family of a murdered person forgives the perpetrator, the sentence is commuted.
Really convinient in cases of honor killings, where the family has a conflict of interest (both killer and victim belonging to it), and gets to release their killer relative.
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Just what I was going to note. I doubt anyone in the family is much concerned about justice for this girl.
Tanstaafl wrote:
Gloria? Rosie? Oprah? Hilary? Condalezza? Nancy? The entire staff of NOW? Western feminists? Anybody without a "Y" chromozome?
The acceptance of Islam as a legitimate religion condemns millions of women to the treatment described above. Islam is the largest crime against women that has ever existed in the history of the human race.
Ladies - I am not opposed to feminism, but a stand must be taken against this organized oppression. What are your thoughts?
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No Y chromosomes here, Tanstaafl. I did consider myself a feminist for a number of years until the "fish without a bicycle" rhetoric got to be too much. I am certainly still very passionate about gender equality.
Feminists' silence in the face of the horrifying misogyny of Islam is just inexplicable. Somehow "sexism" is just a Western phenomenon (actually, Western society was already much more egalitarian than much of the world, even back in the 'bad old' 1950s).
Feminists are still nattering on about the "glass ceiling" and the "mommy track" and whether Sarah Palin is the most retrogressive force in modern history. Meanwhile, back here in the real world, women are victims of "honor killings", and are forced into underage marriages, and are stoned to death because the were gang-raped.
I find this absolutely indefensible.
jdamn, imagine this hypothetical regarding this Muslim couple you know: one day, you find some strange evidence that points suspicion at them as being part of a terrorist plot. My question is: would you at that point treat them any differently than you would treat other more "radical" seeming Muslims on which you found the same kind of evidence? If you would NOT treat them any differently, but would at that point regard them with equal suspicion, then all the aspects of them that make you think they are really nice and moderate go out the window and are irrelevant.
If you answer that you WOULD treat them differently -- give them a heads up, approach them "earnestly" to discuss the matter before you call Homeland Security, wait a while to see if your suspicions were really incorrect, etc. -- I maintain you would be making a grave mistake that could cost the lives of untold numbers of us. And I take that kind of reckless stupidity personally when any Western person has such a predisposition due to the nice, friendly Muslims they know, whether it's a college friend or the corner grocer.
In my first paragraph above, if you answered that you would NOT treat them differently at that point of seeing some kind of suspicious evidence, then in that sense you would agree with me. But I would go further and remain suspicious of them every time I was around them. Your predisposition to think they are really nice and moderate might be blinding you to noticing details that could be suspicious. And that too could have a horrible outcome.
DenverRodeo, of course I would not treat them differently. If I thought that my own sister were part of a terror plot I wouldn't give her a heads-up. For the hundredth time, I like them. Liking someone is lightyears away from trusting someone, and I seriously doubt that I could ever really trust a Muslim. I know where their loyalties lie, and they're never outside the Ummah. I doubt I would even trust a recent apostate, just in case. But they're not engaged in anything seditious. They're busy raising a kid and going to school full-time, plus he's a web designer, and a very good one, not like the rinky-dink designers of those terror sites that Internet Anthropologist busts. I would be far more suspicious of a Mohammedan - not necessarily an outwardly devout one even - who had no kids and seemed to not have much to show for his time or who ran around with other Mohammedans.
Oh, you mean like the Albanians that moved into a house on my block this year, jdam? Yeah, there are kids, but many more young adult males than are accounted for by the "families". And they're out pacing the street in front of the house, on cell phones, at all hours, but especially at night.
(And yes, I've "said something". I always will, "Islmaphobe" that I am.)
Vee -
Well, Heinlein was a bit of a libertarian.
Vee if that were happening on my street I'd call the FBI tip line.
I would install a camera and get a big dog.