There must be some high-level "misunderstanding" of Islam going on there. An update on this story. "Somali youth leaving Minneapolis to fight," from UPI, December 19:
MINNEAPOLIS, Dec. 19 (UPI) -- The FBI and members of the Minneapolis Somali community say they want to know what happened to several Somalis who have disappeared during the past few months.
Many people in the Twin Cities said they suspect the Abubakar As-Saddique Islamic Center and its iman [sic] are influencing Somali youth to become jihadists in an Islamic holy war overseas, or possibly in the United States, a charge the mosque denies, USA Today reported Friday.
"They are very powerful, whoever got into his mind and got him to do this," says the grandmother of one person who disappeared and eventually called her from Somalia. "We were forced out of our country one time. We don't want to be forced out of here."
Community activist Abdizirak Bihi says all of the youth who disappeared were raised by single mothers and spent a lot of time at the mosque.
"We are wanting the government and politicians to investigate who is responsible for sending our kids and we are requesting the American government to help us to get back our kids." Bihi said.
FBI Special Agent E.K. Wilson of the Minneapolis office wouldn't tell USA Today whether his agency is investigating the mosque, but said the agency knows that Muslims have been going overseas to fight.
"We're aware that a number of Somali men have traveled from around the United States, including Minneapolis, to potentially fight overseas," Wilson said.
Because we're suicidal we're trying to keep the imams out and bring the Somalis in. It should be the other way around. I would personally donate to the jihadist-cleansing-imam effort.
Community activist Abdizirak Bihi says all of the youth who disappeared were raised by single mothers and spent a lot of time at the mosque.
BS. There are no Somali "single mothers." Oh, there are widows of jihadis, but no "single mothers." Somali women in Minnesota can't leave the house alone without getting clobbered. Somalis don't divorce, either. They buy extra sex slaves. Way to try to blame Somali jihadis on American life. So sick.
My mom was a single mother who worked a lot. My sister and I took music lessons after school and had jobs. She was in a theatre program and I did community service and was in the French club. We went to college. Because we're American like that. We didn't hang around with extremists and prepare for jihad.
The reason for painting it this way, for the "single mothers" comment is because the MOSQUE is the people our parents warned us about, except so much worse than their worst nightmares -- the mosque, the center of Muslim life, the piazza, the playround. Always deflect, project, and blame, blame, blame, as if OUR culture is to blame for their monsters.
Why try to bring them back to make trouble here?
They've got plenty of cousins, uncles, etc in Somalia.
I think the American authorities - or Australian, or European, or any other Infidel authority in any other country that has noticed 'missing' Somali young men 'disappearing' back to Somalia to take part in jihad - should not expend even the smallest amount of energy or money to try to get them back.
They should simply be telling the Somali Muslims: Tough bikkies. Once those lads are gone, that's it; no paid-for-by-the-kafir return ticket; and BTW, that kafir citizenship, UK or US or French or Australian or whatever, well...it just went up in smoke, too.
As for the 'single mothers' sob story - I wouldn't mind betting that some, or perhaps most, are in fact second, third or fourth wives, or for that matter, first wives raising kids virtually on their own after hubby has tomcatted off in a second or third under-the-American-radar Muslim 'marriage'.
Deprived of the sort of one-on-one fathering that a boy in a non-Muslim family gets, the sons of the tomcatting, distant, capricious Muslim fathers are screwed-up and make prime cannon fodder. It's like the whole insane antihuman system is set up to screw people up so that they'll *become* mindless cannon fodder.
"We are wanting the government and politicians to investigate who is responsible for sending our kids and we are requesting the American government to help us to get back our kids." Bihi said.'
These women should be told that their sons are perefectly free to travel wherever they want, and that this government is under no obligation to go looking for them, and we are certainly under no obligation to bring them back.
If these "kids" think that they can then return to the savety and security of the U.S. during the Jihad off-season, they have seriously misculated. They can stay where they're at.
They should alsu be told that no investigation is becessary to determine who is responsible for their kids going on Jihad. They need look no further than the schools and Mosques' that they send them to for spiritual nourishment.
If they want something done, they could easily do something about it by dumping the whole rotten Islamic religion, and teach their children the Jedo/Christian value system of Western civilization.
Ask them if yhe've heard the saying, "you reap what you sow" Period.
I'm sure they'll all be placed on watch lists and refused permission to fly to the USA. Has that idiot Chertoff mentioned this thing?
Why can't they stay in Somalia if they want to be groomed into jihadists?
Poppycock! Once they are gone, so be it. You want to find out where your islamofacist jihadi loving sons/daugthers are, too bad. Spend your own funds from your local recruitment center, oops I mean mosque to find the where the pigs went. Help bringing them back, hell no and do not blame this country and our society for your islamic problems that started 1350 years ago. Better yet, how about NOT letting any muslims in the our country, seizing CAIR, MSA Etc.. funds to deport all these muslims. Boot Keith Ellison out of office and send him on a permanent trip to mecca. The US should be a muslim free zone and that is something I would be happy to donate to!
"We are wanting the government and politicians to investigate who is responsible for sending our kids and we are requesting the American government to help us to get back our kids." Bihi said
"If they want something done, they could easily do something about it by dumping the whole rotten Islamic religion, and teach their children the Jedo/Christian value system of Western civilization." Rational said.
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Rational, you are probably right in pointing out the failure of the Muslim way to consider the personal feelings of individuals, especially the callous lack of concern of Allâh in selfishly sending his creations into battle to die just so he can have them licking his toes in Paradise.
But you also show a callous lack of concern for the mothers of these boys (mothers will always think of their male children as boys or kids, no matter their age). Each of these women have an empty place in their hearts, a yearning for their child to return home safely, and simply to be there close.
You admonish these people to "teach their children the Jedo/Christian value system of Western civilization," yet you seem to have forgotten simple human compassion as Christ taught, you seem to have forgotten how it feels to lose a loved one, especially a child.
Forget for a moment that these mothers are Muslimas, and just think of them as humans, like yourself, and how you might feel if your son or daughter had been inveigled into fighting a war, perhaps to die, for an ideology that denies individual feelings and splits families apart in this fashion.
Consider that if our government were to sincerely help these mothers to get their sons back, the joy radiating from that act could only reflect positively the messages of compassion and love as set forth in the philosophy of Christ. You might even see some of these happy mothers look at the Western Ways in a new light.
Please look into your own heart and tell me that you spoke too fast and simply did not give thought to how these women might feel.
NOt only should there be no resources wasted trying to find out where these Muslim Somalis have gone, or what has become of them, but the government ought to be delighted that some have left, and work to encourage others to go fight the Jihad back in Somalia, preferably by attacking members of other Somali groups, and being attacked in turn. Do nothing to discourage them as long as they are leaving. Do everything to discourage them from staying, including a stolid refusal to offer any further accommodations to Muslim demands, and an insistence that any attempt to change our legal and political institutions and social arrangements will not be looked on kindly.
Further, with the proper investigation, the amount of fraud, of hidden polygamy, of fiddling the system for benefits of every kind, can be exposed and Muslims forced to work, work the way that non-Muslims work, and that is something that most Somalis will find unpleasant, and if in addition the infusions of Saudi money that pay for Arab "civil rights" organizations such as CAIR, and for mosques and madrasas, are halted -- and reading Saudi Arabia the riot act, and making noises about seizing Saudi assets if they do not stop, can do a lot -- the conduct of Muslim life in this country will be made a little more difficult. And it should be difficult, because the collectivist and supremacist faith of Islam, in every important matter, flatly contradicts the heart of the Constitution, and especially the guarantees of the First and Fourteenth Amendments.
No, the only think to wish these Somalis who choose to conduct Jihad through violence in Somalia, rather than conduct Jihad through smiles and wiles and demands in America, is bon voyage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AhyO-5G_oE
Or, if you prefer a homegrown version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNtm9KvQK8A
But you also show a callous lack of concern for the mothers of these boys (mothers will always think of their male children as boys or kids, no matter their age). Each of these women have an empty place in their hearts, a yearning for their child to return home safely, and simply to be there close. -Jockaira, above
It's a callous concern on the part of these mothers, and a base modicum of regard for our own lives. These monsters raised their kids in an infanticidal belief system which obligates them die in jihad, or at least does all it can to glorify the hell out of it. We're being sane by not wanting them back, especially since they're now trained as jihadis and have devoted themselves to jihad. We should make every effort to keep people like that out. These are people who abused the system, came here fraudulently (as all Somalis do), did everything they could to undermine our laws and our way of life, including by being some jerks' 3rd sex slave and claiming to be single mothers in order to scam us for jizya, encouraged their children to hang out at sleeper cells, failed as parents, taught their children to kill us, and you're asking for compassion?
These mothers are disappointed that they're killing Somalis and Ethiopians instead of Americans. They're thrilled that they're dying in jihad, and if they're not, screw 'em. They have no right to raise their children as Muslims and then take issue with them being Muslims, the best kind of Muslims, leading the most honorable life, as those texts make so crystal clear over and over and over. We should be halting Somali immigration. Period. We should not be wonderig what is wrong with our society that this is happening. It's their mini-Dar-al-Islam's which are to blame. It's them. It's their culture. It's a cancer we should be doing everything to excise or at least irradiate.
Here's another modern interlude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWNXb6X_xGs
Sorry, Jockaira, but that motherly love you talk about could easily be applied to the mothers of Stalin, Hitler, and any number of serial murderers. Of course I feel sorry for them, but not to the point of allowing their offspring to wreck havok on the innocent people of this world. I don't see any compassion in subjecting some other mother to the grief of seeing their children murdered by these monsters.
These Somali mothes, like all Muslims, have some responsibility to put two and two together, and draw some conclusions about what motivates their children to commit such monsterous acts against others. Their children weren't attending a church or temple when they were recruited as Jihadists, and neither were they recruited by a Priest or Rabbi. They were attending a Mosque and recruited by an Imam.
Sorry, but they bear some responsibility for what their little darlings are doing, and no amount of motherly love can relieve them of that responsibility. I dan't expect them to hate their children, but I do expect them to have some compassion for the rest of society.
The bottom line is that Muslim parents raise their children in a spiritually sick faith, and are determined that the rest of us live with that same sickness.
Sorry, but I don't buy it, and no one else should be expected too.
The families of the 26 people blown to pieces in Hargeisa, Somaliland(distinct from Somalia) have no doubts where the murderers of their loved ones came from: The Twin Cities.
Somaliland is a peaceful, stable, pro-America, pro-Israel former part of Somalia desperately trying to survive in this awful neighborhood.
And the US/UK reponse to somaliland's calls for recognition? Go Back and rejoin Somalia!. Isarel's response to this Red Sea straddling territory? Sorry little guys we feel for you but we dont want to upset Egypt and Saudi Arabia who are dead against Somaliland's existence!
It is absolutely crazy.
"Each of these women have an empty place in their hearts, a yearning for their child to return home safely, and simply to be there close.
You admonish these people to "teach their children the Jedo/Christian value system of Western civilization," yet you seem to have forgotten simple human compassion as Christ taught, you seem to have forgotten how it feels to lose a loved one, especially a child.
Forget for a moment that these mothers are Muslimas, and just think of them as humans.."
- from a poster above
Apparently the poster above thinks that "home" for these people is Minnesota, in the United States. But "home" -- the place one is loyal to, is not the United States or Minnesota -- but the umma that consists of all Believers, everywhere.
As for the "simple human compassion" and "how it feels to lose a loved one" -- this kind of oblivious piety can be seen for what it is if we were to substitute, during World War II, a similar homily so that we were piously instructed to feel deeply for those German ladies, suffering so terribly the loss of their sons in the Wehrmacht or the S.S., or even from the bombing which Churchill ordered, and in which the Americans also took part (a relative of mine was awarded the Medal of Honor for his exploits that included day-time bombing missions over Berlin).
As for the final admonition to "[f]orget for a moment that these mothers are Muslimas, and just think of them as humans.." -- sorry, no can do. I know, as the poster may not know, what Islam inculcates, what is actually in the Qur'an, the Hadith, the Sira. I have taken the testimony of all kinds of non-Muslims who grew up in countries where Muslims ruled, and know what they endured. I have read what the great Western scholars of Islam -- not today's esposito-and-armstrong apologists, many funded by Arab money, or prompted by a desire to Defend the Faith of Islam, which is also a politics and a geopolitics -- have written. And I have heard, directly, from the "defectors" from the Army of Islam -- that is the apostates, such as Ibn Warraq and Wafa Sultan and Ayaan Hirsi Ali -- who are witnesses to the truth. And if you listen to the truth, the truth shall make ye free.
Sentimental pieties, of the kind offered in such treacly fashion by the poster above cut no ice with me, or with anyone of common sense who grasps the meaning, and therefore the permanent menace, of Islam.
If leaving the US to go fight in Somalia is not somehow against US law, I would encourage more Somali jihadi's to do it.
Get more Imams and mosques to do even more recruiting. Send thousands.
Then lock the door and throw away the key.
They can send for their families later...
I know the depletion of the Somali population in the US will make some people sad, but our loss is Somalia's gain, if Allah is willing, and he always is...
You'll never see someone like Katie Couric report on any of this. They're too busy prancing about looking at Obama.
I think this Imam is doing us all a great service. Nothing wring with Somalis going back to their pown country.
"We were forced out of our country one time. We don't want to be forced out of here."
To this Somali, the US is just "here", just another country, quite different from "our country".
I think this Imam is doing us all a great service. Nothing wrong with Somalis going back to their own country.
"We were forced out of our country one time. We don't want to be forced out of here."
To this Somali, the US is just "here", just another country, quite different from "our country".
These same Somali Muslim mothers, will be delighted if their son died while Jihading - for they know he will be going to paradise. JW has shown plenty of cases of Arab women specifically bringing up their sons to die in the Jihad - they delight in it.
I'm Sorry Jockaira. Christian faith does not require toleration of evil on earth. And Islam is evil, through and through. The Jihad even worse.
I have no compassion for the families of those who are on active Jihadi service. The next thing you will want is that we have compassion for the Muslim mothers of the "boys" who died on active Jihadi service in Bombay. Our compassion should be for the victims and their families, and not for the perpetrators and their families.
Jockaira
http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_UmmAjrami%20171104_9.asx
http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_MeccaShahid_7.asx
http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_momsUmNidal_7.asx
http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_momVirgins_7.asx
http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Khansaa.asx
Forget for a moment that these mothers are Muslimas, and just think of them as humans, like yourself, and how you might feel if your son or daughter had been inveigled into fighting a war, perhaps to die, for an ideology that denies individual feelings and splits families apart in this fashion. posted above
Muslims are incapable of "feeling" like I feel, or of experiencing normal human emotions. They are utterly devoid of humility, guilt, responsibility, or compassion. Muslims look human but they are empty, heartless imposters. They are merciless predators with delusions of superiority; ignorant, cruel, heartless, lazy, dishonest, and mendacious. To them, morality, virtue, and righteousness are inextricably tied to the chastity and conduct of their women who are nothing more than disposable, dispensable chattel whether they are wives, daughters,sisters, nieces, aunts, mothers, cousins, grand daughters. People who kill their close female relatives without remorse to enhance or regain their social standing are savages; mothers who encourage their "beloved" sons to die for islam and allah are barbaric bitches. Even dogs protect their young from predators and teach them to defend themselves and survive.
Muslims are the walking dead. They love death, destruction, hate and misery and they squander their lives and the lives of others in the name of a filthy, vile, desolate and despicable belief system they call a religion. Islam is the most evil ideology ever devised and it will destroy everything good and beautiful that exists if we allow it. I don't feel sorry for these Somali mothers or their jihadi sons. I hope those who returned to Somalia to fight for islam die for islam in Somalia. If they live to return, we'll be fighting them here in a few years.
susanp
don't forget - it *is* possible, though very difficult, for Muslim 'Orcs' to be turned back into human 'Elves'.
If such a change were utterly impossible, there would never be any genuine apostates. We would have no Patrick Sookhdeo to warn Britain, no Ayaan to warn Holland, no Ali Sina patiently attempting to deprogram Muslims via his website, no Magdi Cristiano Allam joyfully recounting his journey out of darkness into light, and no roll of heroic martyrs who choose to die - remember that young man in Somalia, not so long ago? - rather than renounce their newfound non-Muslim faith. Remember Mohammed Hegazy and Lina Joy?
Sure, we have to be bitterly, ruthlessly realistic about what Islam does to Muslims just as we were realistic about what Maoism did to the Chinese, hakko ichiu to the Japanese, and what Nazism did to Germans. We shouldn't permit Muslim schools and mosques in our territory, any more than we would permit Ku Klux Klan schools, or neonazi schools, or meeting halls expressly used for the rallies, plots and plans of such antihuman ideologies. We shouldn't permit mass immigration of Muslims any more than we would have permitted mass immigration of German Nazis or emperor-worshipping Japanese during world war two.
I believe Mr Fitzgerald's program for containing and resisting jihad is, in fact, what some would call 'Tough Love': protecting non-Muslims whilst forcing Muslim societies to face the consequences of their ideology.
But I also think that the sort of thing that Fr Zakaria Botros does is very, very important. He is - in a very real sense - casting out demons, healing the sick, and raising the dead. Those who are Christians, as I am, believe that one important side-effect of creating and maintaining an Islam-free zone is the fact that within such a zone a man like Fr Botros has a secure platform from which to pour the truth over the airwaves into the darkness of dar al Islam.
"Boot Keith Ellison out of office and send him on a permanent trip to mecca. The US should be a muslim free zone and that is something I would be happy to donate to!"
I'm with you there.
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Jockaira, you haven't the faintest idea of what Christianity is about. Not one of those mothers involved will ever tell their son to turn away from jihad - not one of them. They are guilty because they keep their mouth shut to the evils around them. Until you can understand the concept of repentance and the turning away from wrongdoing, I'm afraid you will never understand what Christianity is about.
Every Muslim who lives the USA should have only a one way ticket/.