No they ain't, say their friends and supporters
It was all a joke, says Mohamed Younes! Of course! When Mohamad Shnewer was in a particularly joking mood back in 2006, he showed a fellow plotter who turned out to be a government informant some DVD files: some featured Osama bin Laden calling Muslims to wage jihad warfare, and others contained the last will and testaments of some of the 9/11 hijackers.
Oh, Shnewer, you kidder!
Shnewer was ready to lay them in the aisles but good, saying of American soldiers at Fort Dix, “They are the ones, we are going to put bullets in their heads, Allah willing.” Riotous!
"Many Muslims skeptical of Fort Dix verdicts," by Wayne Parry for Associated Press, December 22 (thanks to all who sent this in):
Yes, they talked tough, fired guns and watched jihadist videos.But the five young Muslims convicted Monday of plotting to kill soldiers at Fort Dix may not have been guilty of anything more than youthful braggadocio and poor judgment.
That was the verdict rendered by Muslim leaders immediately after the guilty verdicts were read in U.S. District Court in Camden.
"It seemed to me as if the case was pretty flimsy," said James Yee, the former Muslim chaplain at the Guantanamo Bay military prison in Cuba who was arrested in 2003 and charged with mishandling classified material and other crimes in a suspected espionage ring. Criminal charges were later dropped against him.
"It seems like these guys under normal circumstances weren't going to do anything until a government informant initiates contact with them and incites them," said Yee.
"All of this doesn't help build trust with the American Muslim community, and that is vital if our law enforcement is going to fight terrorism," he said. "If anyone can improve security, it's our community, but we need to be seen as trusted partners, not potential suspects."
Mohamed Younes, president of the Paterson, N.J.-based American Muslin Union, voiced similar sentiments.
"I don't think they actually mean to do anything," he said. "I think they were acting stupid, like they thought the whole thing was a joke. They don't look like the type of people to do something like this."
Jim Sues, executive director of the New Jersey chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, attended five days of testimony during the trial.
Jim Sues, of CAIR. Heh.
"Many people in the Muslim community will see this as a case of entrapment," he said. "From what I saw, there was a significant role played by the government informant."...
"It was all a joke, says Mohamed Younes!"
No worries. The judge is only sending you to prison for life as a goof!
"All of this doesn't help build trust with the American Muslim community, and that is vital if our law enforcement is going to fight terrorism," he said.
Muslims seeking to buy automatic assault rifles illegally and speaking of plots to murder our troops doesn't build confidence with the American public either.
"If anyone can improve security, it's our community, but we need to be seen as trusted partners, not potential suspects."
And why is your community the most important link in fighting terror? It would seem the answer Islamaphobic.
TG,
Thank you. I was just in process of responding using the very same quotes.
You beat me to it. And you said the same thing I was going to say.
Are we twins?
Mohamed Younes, president of the Paterson, N.J.-based American Muslin Union, voiced similar sentiments.
"I don't think they actually mean to do anything," he said. "I think they were acting stupid, like they thought the whole thing was a joke. They don't look like the type of people to do something like this."
Really? And what exactly do 'they' look like?
Your excuses are childlike. Found guilty, end of story.
Another [Hindu] [Crusader] Zionist plot, no doubt.
"All of this doesn't help build trust with the American Muslim community, and that is vital if our law enforcement is going to fight terrorism," he [James Yee, a convert to Islam and a chaplain at Guantanamo] said. "If anyone can improve security, it's our community, but we need to be seen as trusted partners, not potential suspects."
-- from a posting above
First let's refresh our memories about James Yee. James, or Yusuf, Lee, to give him his Muslim name, "was arrested on September 10, 2003, in Jacksonville, Florida, when a U.S. Customs agent found a list of Guantanamo detainees and interrogators among his belongings.[6] He was charged with five offenses: sedition, aiding the enemy, spying, espionage, and failure to obey a general order. These charges were later reduced to mishandling classified information in addition to some minor charges.[6] He was then transferred to a United States Navy brig in Charleston, South Carolina. The government did not name the country or entity for whom it suspected Yee was spying.
All court-martial charges against Yee were dropped on March 19, 2004, with Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller "citing national security concerns that would arise from the release of the evidence."
Now let's turn to his statement. He thinks that the outcome of a trial of five Muslims, who had discussed killing American soldiers, and to have done so not once, as some kind of tossed-off "joke" (some joke), but in sufficient detail, and amidst other circumstances so that the threat, or the plan, rose to something else entirely, was wrong. He doesn't like the verdict. He, James Yee, whose own trial ended only because the government did not wish to reveal how it had obtained certain information against him, and would have had to do so during discovery, disagrees with the decision of a jury to convict all five Muslims for "plottting to kill American soldiers at Fort Dix."
And what grounds does he offer for deploring this verdict? Oh, his grounds are that "if anyone can improve security, it's our [Muslim] community" and then he adds, menacingly, "but we need to be seen as trusted partners, not potential suspects."
What does this mean? Muslims should not be found guilty of plotting to kill Americans when the evidence is overwhelming that they did so? Is that how Muslims, or what Yee so naturally calls, for Islam is a collectivist faith, and there are no individuals, but only the "community" which is supposed tothink as one, as a single unit arrayed against all others, and especially against any others who would dare to harm -- you know, by convicting of terrorism -- any single Muslim or group of Muslims. Yee doesn't appear to realize how sinister his remarks will strike any intelligent non-Muslim.
As for the "need to be seen as trusted partners," this can only come if Muslims show themselves that they can be trusted. And trial after trial after trial is beginning to have its drip-drip-drip effect on the view of Muslims, and of Islam, all over the Western world. There is just too much of this, every single day, coming from every part of the globe. And if in addition one begins to look into, to read, the Qur'an, the Hadith, the Sira -- well, how can any non-Muslim, having read and understood, say, Sura 9, possibly ever trust Muslims again, if they indeed believe that the Qur'an is the immutable Word of Allah? Why should they? And there are hundreds of blood-curdling passages throughout the Qur'an, and hundreds of Hadith that are similarly hair-raising, and the Hadith, the record of the words and acts of Muhammad, and the Sira (the biography of Muhammad), do not inspire in non-Muslims great confidence in the trustworthiness of Muslims. Nor does acquiantance with the religiously-sanctioned dissimulation that, in both taqiyya and kitman, Muislims apparently feel free, encourage one another, to practice, if it is to protect the faith from prying, or suspicious, Infidels.
I don't know what peculiar set of circumstances, what mental or emotional distress, caused James Yee to become Yusuf Yee. Perhaps it was merely a question of his marrying an Arab Muslim woman, or did his conversion to Islam precede his marriage.
But if he is attempting to suggest that the American system of criminal justice should not be prosecuting those plotting to kill Americans, because that will then demonstrate insufficient "trust" in Muslims, he is as crazy as a loon.
"They don't look like the type of people to do something like this."
I'm with you Abu Lahab.
Jeffrey Dahmer comes to mind right away. He just doesn't look like the kinda guy that would eat a young boy does he?
Looks doan enter in to it. Lock em' up and throw away the key.
Islam is a lie and truth is killing it.
"All of this doesn't help build trust with the American Muslim community, and that is vital if our law enforcement is going to fight terrorism," he said. "If anyone can improve security, it's our community, but we need to be seen as trusted partners, not potential suspects."
Zatt so?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020450.php
Click on the link in the post just above, and you come to the last very useful list posted by D. C. Watson in "D. C. Watson: Misunderstanders of Their "Peaceful" Faith."
The article begins:
"Here is an incomplete list of Muslims in the United States who have been arrested and/or convicted for either planning or acting out their "jihad" against unsuspecting, innocent men, women and children. Will the Muslim organizations in America ever stand up for once and address the facts, or will they continue trying to mask what's really going on within their own community by accusing Americans of practicing the biases and double standards that they themselves practice in accordance with their own beliefs?"
and then gives a list -- a list that is now almost ten months old -- that should shut up any Muslim spokesmen who talk about the need for the American government to to refrain from prosecuting cases of terrorism against Muslim defendants, or at least from prosecuting them succesfully, in order to encourage "trust" on the part of the "Muslim community" so that that same Muslim community can help aid in "security" efforts.
One hopes that along with the five just convicted, D. C. Watson can bring up to date his March list, and post it here. It would be most useful.
What a bunch of funsters!!! They can utilise the stand-up comedy course in prison and make jail seem like a night at the local fun club.
""All of this doesn't help build trust with the American Muslim community, and that is vital if our law enforcement is going to fight terrorism," he said. "If anyone can improve security, it's our community, but we need to be seen as trusted partners, not potential suspects.""
It is upto the Muslim community to show if they are trustworthy. I don't own anything to them. It is they are trying to destroy the fabrics of my Country. They have to figure how to live with us, not the other way around. Hey Muslims, why don't you simply leave and go to a place where you feel better adjusted, places like the UK or Pakistan welcomes you with open heart?
Fort Dix Muslims: Of course they were framed! And the check is in the mail. The "poor" young men were seduced into buying automatic weapons for sporting purposes and the warranty does cover excessive wear and abuse.
When are the Liberals in our government now and to come going to catch on this is just a ploy to incite trust in a nontrustworthy sect. the Quran clearly states "Do not make friends with the unbelievers" they want us to trust them but, are told not to trust us. Talk about double standards yes politics and religion Islam 101 all over again.
God Bless the Citizens that informed the FBI-
And God Bless the FBI itself!
Keep up the good work!
Hugh! You are "rockin everyone's world!" -Brilliant!
Quoted from above article:
“But the five young Muslims convicted Monday of plotting to kill soldiers at Fort Dix may not have been guilty of anything more than youthful braggadocio and poor judgment.”
Oh I get it now. So all the sickening horrors planned or perpetrated by these Muhammaden nutcases in New York, London, Beslan, Madrid, Mumbai, etc, etc, ad nauseam, were nothing more than expressions of “youthful braggadocio and poor judgment.”
Whew, what a relief! Now we can all rest easy and go back to sleep. And don’t let the jihadi bugs bite. Bzzzzzzz.
I completely know where these guys are coming from. I have a dry sense of humor, so sometimes people think I am serious when I was really joking. If we want to build the trust with the American Muslim community that is essential to defeat the jihadists than we need to stop overreacting every time a Muslim does a joke about waging jihad against infidel American soldiers. Come on people! Get a sense of humor!
Amazing how the Quran says the same thing and these men are now crazy. Is Allah crazy, insane or just fooling around when Allah said behead all non-Muslims (Sura 8:12) kill non-Muslims (sura 9)
(sura 47:4) Will they cry racism since all are white warriors of Allah? Were these warriors going to kill white infidels and black infidels?
DO UNTO MUSLIMS BEFORE THEY DO UNTO US! INFIDEL 1:1
Don't let all the hilarity obscure the fact that they were illegal aliens given aid and abetted by the treason left's "sanctuary" policies and the corporate right's greed policies.
If these guys deserve prison, than the politicians who are on record for clearly voting to undermine the immigration system deserve to sit in a cell until death with them. They deserve each other. They will find out what Sartre meant by "Hell is other people."
Virtually the same things were said after the 2003 trial and conviction of those conspiring to attack the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and the White House:
"But the [nineteen] young Muslims convicted Monday of plotting to kill [people] at [the Twin Towers and Pentagon] Dix may not have been guilty of anything more than youthful braggadocio and poor judgment."
Oh, wait, I remember now; that really happened; they weren't stopped and tried for conspiracy; they really carried out the attack and killed thousands of people.
At least the Moslems still got the humor of the situation: they were laughing and celebrating by the millions, all over the world.
"I think they were acting stupid, like they thought the whole thing was a joke. They don't look like the type of people to do something like this."
Point 1 - THEY ARE STUPID! Probably due to in-breeding.
Point 2 - THEY ARE A JOKE! But NO normal person makes normal jokes like this!
Point 3 - THEY DO LOOK LIKE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE! Or are you now discriminating also? lol... Or are they supposed to look ONLY exactly like this:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm
PLEASE LOCK THEM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY! (and make sure they are in solitary so they don't recruit more "youths"!!!!
Al-Taqiyya in action yet again.
People you should never trust a muslim. A muslim can talk very friendly to you, make jokes with you BUT if you are not carefull he will stab you in the back with a dagger if he gets that opportunity
Hey! Let's begin the mass deportations. Oh, yeah, and bulldoze all the mosques. You know, as a kind of joke ... get it?
Hey! Let's begin the mass deportations. Oh, yeah, and bulldoze all the mosques. You know, as a kind of joke ... get it?
Hey! Let's begin the mass deportations. Oh, yeah, and bulldoze all the mosques. You know, as a kind of joke ... get it?
Some things are not a joking matter!
You joke about having a bomb when flying....you get thrown in the slammer.
You joke about blowing up people in the name of Allah....Slammer!
It's about time America got serious about jihad.
Il Toscano