Pakistan refuses to hand over jihadists to India

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Zardari and his martyred wife: two vaunted "moderates"

Once again a "moderate" Muslim refuses to cooperate with non-Muslims in an effort to counter the jihad.

An update on this story. "Pakistan refuses to hand over suspects to India," from the Telegraph, December 3 (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):

Pakistan has said it won't hand over 20 terrorist suspects wanted by India in the wake of the Mumbai attacks.

Asif Ali Zardari said 20 terror suspects would be tried in Pakistan if there was evidence of wrongdoing.

Mr Zardari also said he doubted that a man being held in Indian custody over the attacks was a Pakistani citizen.

"We have not been given any tangible proof to say that he is definitely a Pakistani. I very much doubt ... that he's a Pakistani," Zardari told CNN's Larry King Live, adding that if given evidence his government would take action. [...]

Of course. He couldn't possibly be a Pakistani. Every fool who isn't a greasy Islamophobe knows that there are no jihadists in Pakistan. The man whom the Indians are holding is, doubtless, a Methodist from Kentucky.

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No doubt Mr.softball himself; Larry King almost alive will buy into the Zardari answers, no challenge, maybe no response from those tough interviewers on CNN, that is of course unless your name George W. Bush. When all the evidence is layed out on the table will Zardari sing a different tune? I doubt it.

Pakistan is a problem. They're a safe haven for terrorists and the world knows it.

Christopher Hamilton
The Right Opinion, for the Right Wing

Reading a piece authored by Bernard-Henri Levy in today's Wall Street Journal Opinion: "Let's Give Pakistan the Attention It Deserves"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122826746064374589.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Levy writes in part:

"...Lashkar-e-Taiba is, as I discovered while researching and reporting my book on Daniel Pearl, a group of which A.Q. Khan, the inventor of Pakistan's atomic bomb, was a longtime friend. Mr. Khan, one may recall, spent a good 15 years trafficking in nuclear secrets with Lybia, North Korea, Iran and, perhaps, al Qaeda, before confessing his guilt in early 2004. Later pardoned by Gen. Pervez Musharraf, Mr. Khan remains perfectly free to travel within Pakistan, as he was just admitted this Monday, under the protection of the ISI, to the most elite hospital in Karachi.

"Since its creation 15 years ago, the Lashkar-e-Taiba has been linked to the ISI, the formidable Inter-Services Intelligence agency THAT OPERATES LIKE A STATE WITHIN A STATE IN PAKISTAN (EMPHASIS MINE). Obviously, this link is not widely publicized. However, from the kidnapping and murder of Daniel Pearl to the July 2005 attack on the Ayodhya Hindu temple in Uttar Pradesh, there is abundant evidence that the jihadist wing of the ISI has assisted the Lashkar-e-Taiba in the planning and financing of various operations."


I do not buy this "that operates like a state within a state in Pakistan" any more than I buy the CIA operates as a state within a state here in the U.S.

Like Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here."

Should a Pakistani nuke be detonated in an American city, what are we to do, ask Pakistan's government for permission to hunt down the perpetrators? No, if a nuclear bomb explodes in an American city, six or more nuclear weapons should be detonated over Pakistan's major cities.

That the way it works. Pakistan is a state sponsor of Islamic terror, notwithstanding all Pakistan's denials. Pakistan is directly responsible for the atrocities in Mumbai, India.

I think former Prime Minister Netanyahu put it correctly before a Congressional Committee on September 20, 2001:

"The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: there is no international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for any length of time without the regimes that aid and abet it, because, as you well know, terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and indoctrinate their killer from within safe havens in the territories provided by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the territory with money, with operational assistance, with intelligence, dispatching them to serve as deadly proxies to wager hidden war against more powerful enemies which are very often, by the way, democracies..."

Those dang methodists are at it again.
Those poor muslims constantly framed by methodists zionists and bears oh my.
why not reference a fairy tale every muslim must live in one.

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. He will probabley say that He was kashmiri. Btw, the pakistani controlled kashmir is called Azad Kashmir. Do you know the english term for 'Azad' is? Freedom! If you're living in a muslim kashmir you're living in Azad Kashmir, according to pakistan! Imagine that!

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. He will probabley say that he was kashmiri. Btw, the pakistani controlled kashmir is called Azad Kashmir. Do you know what the english term for 'Azad' is? Freedom! If you're living in a muslim kashmir you're living in Azad Kashmir, according to pakistan! Imagine that!

@ Infidel #1:

And do you know what Kashmir means, it translates to "The Land of Kashyap" and Kashyap was the Hindu Saint who is supposed to be the keeper/creator of this beautiful piece of land.

Thus even the muslims unwittingly admit that this is the land of a Hindu Saint, which they of course invaded and stole.

We tend to refrain from calling it Azad Kashmir, instead we call it POK...Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. And if you examine it, they have broken down their occupied areas further from what it was originally.

Sadly we had won back all of Kashmir in 1971 war with Porkistan, but the Congress government gave back the areas won back to the Pakis.

Sadly, I have little faith the Indian Government will do the right thing. We need to show these terrorists how we do things downtown.


-Ayo Gorkhali

"...20 terror suspects would be tried in Pakistan if there was evidence of wrongdoing."
From the article.

I hope India is getting its response ready when the inevitable finding of innocence for the 20 comes down. And the only proper response is to totally flatten the TeB compound and then dare the Pakistanis to do anything about it. The U.S. should completely support the Indians in this, both diplomatically and with tangible aid in the form of intelligence, backup and cover for their military operations, and other forms of aid. Their fight is our fight, too.

Gorkhali,

It basically irritates me. Muslims call kashmir that is illlegally occupied by pakis 'Azad' (Free) kashmir! On some the maps sold in Infidel-America they have Azad Kashmir plainly written on them.

Dan (The Infidel)

I just found out yesterday even the military is buying the PC Islamic kool-aid. They banned jihadwatch and Islam-watch. Fucking uninformed ignorant wankers. I wrote the idiots that blocked those sites a nasty gram and let em know that being PC and misusing linguistics will not win this war. I also asked “when did Islam become a race? Its a fucking religion. Why can’t we study it”? Its pretty obvious that Islam is so shallow the camel jockeys can’t handle the kind of criticism that Christians and Jews put up with all the time.

Its not a matter of race. Its a matter of survival.

Poor (not all) delluded military Dhimis. They should look to their own experiences with the cult of death and act accordingly instead of burying their heads in the sand all the time.

Nevertheless. those of us in that arena of government will keep educating the masses irrespective of what the PC police are doing to Freedom of Speech in the government or anywhere else for that matter.

The counter-jihad goes on. Live free or die bitches.

"Pakistan refuses to hand over suspects to India" -- headline of this story

The Pakistani government of "moderate" Asif Ali Zardari has thus announced it has no intention of handing over any of the those suspected terrorists, now living freely in Pakistan, whose names were given to it, not for the first time, by the government of India.

But this response, this refusal by Pakistan to honor, after the Mumbai murders and mayhem, a most justified request,by India, the repeated victim of Muslim terrorism (much of it, as in Kashmir, clearly coming from Pakistan), infuriates, but does not disappoint. For it was perfectly predictable. Only the naive American government , and perhaps some in the Indian government, would ever have allowed themselves to have thought it possible for a Muslim state, run of, by, and for Muslims, even with a few smooth and plausible anglophones - ah, those Ispahani girls! -- at the top, could ever have handed over these men. Why, that would be like an Arab country surrendering a known Arab terrorist to Israel. It would be like Lebanon not holding a celebration for child-murderer Samir Kuntar -- you didn't really think the Muslim Arabs would refrain from honoring Samir Kuntar as a hero, did you?

Get real. About Islam. About Islam's effects on the minds of men. And since most men everywhere are molded by their beliefs, and most people are irredeemably primitive to begin with, when that belief system is as hate-filled, violence-filled, aggressive, and at the same time offers the Complete Regulation of Life and a Total Explanation of the Universe, thus relieving so many of the pain of thought, this leaves no room for independent moral judgment (for Allah Knows Best) and that stunts mental growth by discouraging all attempts at free inquiry or discussion, and that punishes, by death, those who dare to "blaspheme" in any way Islam, and to punish with death those who dare, openly, to leave it -- well, in such societies, suffused with Islam, the Total Belief-System of Islam, what do you expect? What can you expect, either from Pakistan, or from the Arabs in the Arab-populated lands, for Pakistanis, like the Arabs, and unlike the Kurds, Berbers, and even the Iranians, have no alternate identity to remember, or cling to, or revive. They have, you see, only Islam.

And that is why no government of Pakistan, none, will ever give up Muslims charged by Infidels with doing what Muslims are encouraged to do, by their texts and their tenets, are honored for so doing. No, no Pakistan government could possibly give them up, because that would be an offense against Islam. They can't. They won't. They can only be brought low, by having all that unending American aid cut off, all resupply of Pakistan's military ended, and American missiles pointed right at wherever those nuclear weapons are believed to be, and let India do what it must, without any further public announcements of what it might do, which merely makes the members of this or that terrorist group in Pakistan scurry away, able to live to mount other attacks, another day.

Seeing Pakistan for what it is not and can never be has been a mistake of American foreign policy since the days of the Dulles brothers, who fell for that "Islam is a bulwark against Communism" line, and who found, as did so many American generals, the Pakistani military to be composed of fine terry-thomased moustached fellows, some of them no doubt graduates of Sandhurst, and so much finer, as fellows, than those oily Left-Book-Club bandungisant tiersmondisant leaders of India, Jawaharlal Nehru and that practically bolshevik Brahmin Krishna Menon, with his superior airs.

The Pakistanis have had a long run in Washington. They even had it right up through the present Bush Administration, that has idiotically lavished aid upon it -- some $30 billion in military and economic aid and debt relief since 2001 -- on the assumption that the Pakistani government really was "our ally in the war on (Islamic) terror." But it isn't. It has been playing a game, sometimes putting on shows of military activity, sometimes even encouraging signs of terrorism so as to increase American aid, sometimes warning Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters of impending American strikes, sometimes helping to foment civilian fury at those Infidels. Oh, meretricious and endlessly mendacious Pakistan. Now with that smooth man, Husain Haqqani, who likes to point to all of his plausible articles, published in the West, seeming to deplore terrorism, but never getting to the point, the pith, the essence of it all, that explains why it would be folly to continue to support and still worse, give more and more aid to the government of Pakistan. What's that thing that Husain Haqqani keeps ignoring, keeps hoping no one will notice. Oh, that's simple.

It's Islam. Islam, Islam, Islam.

Pakistan is uncooperative and is hiding terrorists. Then India must do what they must do to protect themselves.

I just hope that both sides exercise restraint over this controversy.
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Mr Hamilton

"Pakistan is a problem. They're a safe haven for terrorists and the world knows it."

Please remember that it took 7/7 before the likes of Abu Hamza et al were arrested for terror offences. London, was and still is to some extent, a terrorist safe haven. London is home to many radical islamist groups who have taken part in terrorist atacks in their home muslim nations, such as Algerian groups, Moroccan, Yemini and even Iraqi.

A regional war between pakistan and india would be a disaster for us all, it would untie the fundies and even the moderates united in a war against a hindu aggressor. Afghanistan would erupt into civil war and We would have to stay in that cesspit region of the world for the next hundred years, slowly bleeding our civilisation to death.

Everyone, before you all go war mongering crazy and accuse Pakistan of supporting the bombings in mumbai, please remember that the UK is harboring Osama Bin Laden's "right hand man", a Mr Abu Qatada is living safely in a London postcode, Why wasn't he extradited to Jordan, Jordan has been very critical of Britain's soft stance with foreign terrorists on British soil, WHY? Why is Britian harboring terrorists?

Should we expect an airstrike by the Royal Jordanian airforce, destroying Qatada's home and killing a few British civilians as well in the airstrike, collateral damage?

Time to ban Pakistani Immigration.

Zardari lost his wife to the same people who bombed Mumbai, you think he supports that? Get real people.

"Should a Pakistani nuke be detonated in an American city, what are we to do, ask Pakistan's government for permission to hunt down the perpetrators? No, if a nuclear bomb explodes in an American city, six or more nuclear weapons should be detonated over Pakistan's major cities."

So let me get this straight, If lets say, British muslims were behind the attack on Mumbai you would agree that a series of bombs should be launched against British cities.


What if that Pakistani bomb had been stolen? Should "we" still nuke several Pakistani cities killing millions of innocent people?

get real dude.

wannabee,

You wrote that the military "banned jihadwatch and Islam-watch." Can you please email some more specific information about this to the site owners here at JW and at Islam-watch? I'm sure the people who run JW and IW would want to do what they can to get this ban lifted.

Kinana, you beat me to the punch. "Yes, I just found out yesterday even the military is buying the PC Islamic kool-aid. They banned jihadwatch and Islam-watch.": posted by wannabee.

Yes, wannabee, could you please provide more specific information about this? "The military" is a big organization. Please be more specific than just "even the military" such as unit names or a web site that contains the orders. Is it all branches (Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force), is it service wide or restricted to, say, the service academies? Please provide details.

Actions speak louder than words.

If Pakistan was sincere (or even remorseful) it would turn over the 20 terrorists to India. Since it refuses to, it is obvious that (despite Pakistan's denial) Pakistan is involved in the Mombai Massacre.

As Hugh says its Islam, Islam and Islam.

The loyalty of a Muslim is only to other Muslims.

A story that the media has paid little attention to is the two Turkish nationals whose lives where spared by the terrorists. They probably feel no remorse at playing the Muslim card while others were tortured and murdered in their place.

It's like having the terrorist "Get out of Jail Free" card.

Any active miltary JW ers that can confirm or deny wannabee's statement?

Is Wannabee are you claining it is the US Military that has banned from JW?

Typepad still sucks. It's not getting any better. In fact. It's getting worse.

"Refuses to hand over suspects"

You have to admit, it would be a bit difficult to hand over half the Country, or better.

Sure makes one want to put more troops into Afcrapistain.

michael calvert said, “A regional war between pakistan and india would be a disaster for us all, it would untie the fundies and even the moderates united in a war against a hindu aggressor. Afghanistan would erupt into civil war and We would have to stay in that cesspit region of the world for the next hundred years, slowly bleeding our civilisation to death.”

Untie the “fundies”, if by that you mean that could be even more blatant. After the Mumbai attack, I’m not sure that they could be more “Untied”. As for this mythological creature know as the “Moderate Muslim”, I’m still waiting for one to clearly and unequivocally denounce terrorist activities of the “Fundies” a “Moderate Muslim” from any where in the world. And I do mean clearly and unequivocally.

I’m defiantly not sure where you get off calling the Hindus the aggressors after all the attacks the Mohammedan have done against them, so that’s basically calling the rape victim the perpetrator of the crime.

As for Afghanistan erupt into a civil war, from what I know of the history of the region and the tribes there, that would actually be a return to their normal state. That is of coarse when they aren’t being xenophobes and slaughtering any outsiders they could find.

And no, sorry to inform all those out there with the John Kerry complex, the “Pottery Barn” rule doesn’t apply in warfare. The United States of America is the only country in the world that not only defeats it’s opponents, but helps rebuild them. Every other time, the losers have had to pay tribute to the winners. Hmmm…. Perhaps we should rethink everything and speak not about rebuilding these countries, but about the amount of tribute they should be paying. So no, we’re not stuck, we just need to be more selective of our allies in the region. After all we have perpetual interest, not perpetual allies.

michael calvert said, “Everyone, before you all go war mongering crazy and accuse Pakistan of supporting the bombings in mumbai, please remember that the UK is harboring Osama Bin Laden's "right hand man", a Mr Abu Qatada is living safely in a London postcode, Why wasn't he extradited to Jordan, Jordan has been very critical of Britain's soft stance with foreign terrorists on British soil, WHY? Why is Britian harboring terrorists?”

Actually Michael, Britain did try to extradite Mr. Abu Qatada to Jordan, but you see there is this pesky little treaty that most European Countries signed that prevents the return of scum like this, if there is reason to believe torture or death might be in store for them. And of coarse Bleeding Heart Elitist would rather see terrorist scum walk the streets and threaten the people of London, then know they might have a hair on the terrorist head was harmed.

Your argument is what one would call Taqqiya (dang, what a useful word that is.)

michael calvert said, “Should we expect an airstrike by the Royal Jordanian airforce, destroying Qatada's home and killing a few British civilians as well in the airstrike, collateral damage?”

Actually, technically Jordan lacks the military ability at this time to strike in England. Second, by now I bet a many of the British subject would be more then willing to give this scum over to the Jordanian form of Justice without any threats, just to take out the trash if you will. But Pakistanis seems to have a natural proclivity towards shielding and enabling all forms of Islamic Terrorism. This is a great difference in the situations.

michael calvert said, “Zardari lost his wife to the same people who bombed Mumbai, you think he supports that? Get real people.”

Zardari played to the Islamist favor to get in his position, I guess you could say he’s down with the “Real Politic” if you will. I guess you can say, he’s one person who knows how to “Get real power”.

'moderate' muslim, or islam, is a pipe dream. the best we can hope for a bad muslims, or those who don't practice islam.


geez, this login is irritating. I always have to sign in twice or three times! I keep getting errors.

....please remember that the UK is harboring Osama Bin Laden's "right hand man", a Mr Abu Qatada is living safely in a London postcode, Why wasn't he extradited to Jordan, Jordan has been very critical of Britain's soft stance with foreign terrorists on British soil, WHY? Why is Britian harboring terrorists?

Should we expect an airstrike by the Royal Jordanian airforce, destroying Qatada's home and killing a few British civilians as well in the airstrike, collateral damage?

Posted by: michael calvert

Michael, it's really a shame. Great Britain has been violating the so-called Bush doctrine.

Namely: "...And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime....."

September 2, 2001 speech before a joint session of Congress

....please remember that the UK is harboring Osama Bin Laden's "right hand man", a Mr Abu Qatada is living safely in a London postcode, Why wasn't he extradited to Jordan, Jordan has been very critical of Britain's soft stance with foreign terrorists on British soil, WHY? Why is Britian harboring terrorists?

Should we expect an airstrike by the Royal Jordanian airforce, destroying Qatada's home and killing a few British civilians as well in the airstrike, collateral damage?

Posted by: michael calvert

Michael, it's really a shame. Great Britain has been violating the so-called Bush doctrine.

Namely: "...And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime....."

September 2, 2001 speech before a joint session of Congress

What if that Pakistani bomb had been stolen? Should "we" still nuke several Pakistani cities killing millions of innocent people?

Posted by: michael calvert


Stolen?

What if that Pakistani bomb had been stolen? Should "we" still nuke several Pakistani cities killing millions of innocent people?

Posted by: michael calvert


Iran threatens to wipe Israel off the map. Should Iran become a nuclear power; should an Iranian nuclear devise be detonated in Israel, killing perhaps 3/5 the populace, you are suggesting Israel should stand down because it might have been stolen?

"...And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime....."

My apologies: September 20, 2001 speech before a joint session of Congress

Well, then that's a causis belli and demonstrates the Pakistan's complicity in the attacks. Also India has elections so it's pretty much guaranteed that the country will go to war and settle the Kashmir problem once and for all. I wouldn't be surprised if this time Pakistan will be dismembered after its defeat and the U.S. merely shrug its shoulders (and very quietly side with the Indians in certain military operations)

xavier

Well, then that's a causis belli and demonstrates the Pakistan's complicity in the attacks. Also India has elections so it's pretty much guaranteed that the country will go to war and settle the Kashmir problem once and for all. I wouldn't be surprised if this time Pakistan will be dismembered after its defeat and the U.S. merely shrug its shoulders (and very quietly side with the Indians in certain military operations)

xavier

Michael, it's really a shame. Great Britain has been violating the so-called Bush doctrine.

Posted by: Wild Jew at December 4, 2008 2:57 AM

Guess who else has been violating the 'Bush Doctirine'? Bush himself (surprise, surprise). With terrorists Saudi Arabia and Pakistan as his allies, Bush started the phony 'war-on-terror' directed, not at terrorists, but at Iraq (ofcourse, lying that Iraq has weapons of mass destructions), the sworn enemy of Saudi Arabia. Infact, if you look closely, the first Gulf war started when Al-Sabahs (Kuwait) were driven out and Al-Sauds (Saudis) were endangered by Saddam and ended when al-Sabahs returned and and Al-Sauds were secure. I.e. Bush Sr. take USA to war for his 'extended family', the Al-Sauds. In 9/11, Bush Jr. found an opportunity to repay his royal masters in Al-Riyadh for funding Arbusto and Harken Energy, by eleminating the sworn enemy of his royal-masters/extended-family in Al-Riyadh. So what if it costs billions of American tax-dollars, thousnds of American lives? Didn't Americans elect him to white house? Ofcourse, a small lile like 'WMDs' would make the task much easier and at tne end of the 2nd term (Thank you American voters), the debt of Arbusto, Harken energy etc, will be paid off, not to mention riches for life from the House of terror.
Finally, even Wafa Sultan cught Bush's lies: www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52962
Bush doctrine, alright!

Robert, please make it clear your comment, "The man whom the Indians are holding is, doubtless, a Methodist from Kentucky.", is a joke. Otherwise, a new person, who accesses this site for the first time and unfamiliar with your style, might take it seriously - especially a devout muslim who loves conspiracy theories.

Guess who else has been violating the 'Bush Doctirine'? Bush himself

Posted by: Alert


You're right.

Michael calvert,

You are very correct that it took 7/7 for the likes of Abu Hamza to be arrested for terror offences. But what about the others who were arrested long after? London is a hornets nest of Islamists, the government know this, they've been appeasing this for a long time and are not prepared to do anything about it. They do however allow them to preach their hatred on their TV Channel(BBC) with the likes of Anjem Choudary, calling on the deaths of British Citizens on Hard Talk and Newsnight, programmes that will not allow anyone from the BNP on, who would of course preach protection of British Citizens and the removal of all terrorists like Choudary. The government allies itself with known terrorist organisation such as the Musilm Council of Britain and Muslim Brotherhoods, having people who work for them in the 'racial equality' departments. I can really see no reason why India or any other country that has been affected by terrorism, from these 'British' terrorists, does not launch attacks on the UK(I also live here by the way). If the UK is harbouring criminals then they must pay for it. These terrorists are planning bloodshed on others and an attack on the UK may actually kick the British Citizens into gear to do something once and for all about Islam. If the British government is not prepared to do something about our big problem then India or America certainly should. A couple of airstrikes and missile launches from submarines could do the trick. It seems our government is not prepared to protect the British people or any for that matter from Islamic Terrorism.

A regional war between Pakistan and India would be just what the World needs in order to wake up to the threat that is Pakistan and Islam. No doubt it would drag in the other Islamist Nations such as Iran and Syria, but it would be worth it. Sure there would be deaths, sure there would be problems but it would make people realise that Islam is about oppression and control and wants to destroy our lifestyle in order to implement their own. Islam is like the cuckoo chick that removes all the others in order to take top spot in the nest. Islam is like the Borg that has no respect for freedom but wants everyone to submit to their ideology.
How can you say a Hindu aggressor? The breakup of India after into West and East Pakistan(East Pakistan becoming Bangladesh) was not welcomed by Ghandi or Churchill but bitterly opposed. How is it that the Muslims have their own lands yet continue to attack Hindus and Sikhs in India? Why is it that the Hindus and the Sikhs are able to live in harmony with one another, not forgetting the Bhuddists, Christians and Jews, yet they have problems with Islam? Islam is unable to co-exist with any other religion other than Islam. Any aggression in this world involving Islam is because of Islam's inability to accept anyone else not Muslim. For goodness sake, Islam can't even live with itself without killing one another! I have never in all my time known of any Hindu in the UK to be an aggressor. I have been to India and all Hindus have shown me nothing but peace and if there is any Hindu aggression then it's because they are merely protecting their faith, far older than Islam that is encroaching and trying to dominate them.

Afghanistan is and always has been a place of Warlords and tribalism. Civil war has been part of Afghanistan since as far back as its history accounts. Afghanistan is an unwinnable war - end of. Our troops are dying for what? They are dying to stop a brutal regime(original Islam) from persecuting the Afghanistani people YET who is it swells the ranks of the Taliban? Yup, the Afghanistani people are the ones who join them. This is their war. This is their fight and not the West's. We should cut ourselves off from Islamic states, stop all trade with them other than OIL and if they won't trade then we come in and take it. If they are not prepared to live in a society that respects one another's differences, not forgetting liberty, freedom and Universal BASIC human rights, then we should have nothing to do with them. These countries should be watched and if any of them attain Nuclear Weapons to threaten us, then we should turn them into Glass with mass obliteration of their countries with Nuclear Weapons. These people are a threat to mankind itself and should not be entertained. Let them live how they want to live and let them stay out of our lives and us theirs. They are 1,400 years behind us on the evolutionary ladder and are not fit to live in our society.
We would not have to stay in Afghanistan, bleeding us dry. We would simply shut them off from the West and if they try to attack us, we obliterate them. You cannot deal with Islamic terrorists as they have want to impose their ideology in us and accept Islam as the only way of life. F*ck 'em!

Hyder Ali

I think the sarcasm was obvious, even from reading this post alone. The prior 2 statements were dripping with it, and the opening statement about a "moderate" (in quotes) refusing to co-operate with Infidels in efforts to counter the jihad should leave no one in any doubt as to where Robert is coming from, even if one is unfamiliar with his stance and works.

Oh, and they've always been so helpful in the past {sarcasm off}.
With friends like these....