Fresh from refusing to help India, Pakistan now refuses to help the UK. Does anyone still have any serious doubt that significant elements within the Pakistani government support the "tiny minority of extremists," or else calculate that the support for them is so strong among the Pakistani people that if they move too strongly against them they will invite insurrection?
And note this well: "It is our country and our laws will be implemented. We'll follow our laws." Isn't it funny how so many Pakistanis, when they come to the UK, seem to forget that that simple principle applies to the British also?
"Pakistan refuses UK Mumbai appeal," from the BBC, December 15 (thanks to Edward):
Pakistan has rejected Gordon Brown's request that UK police be allowed to question Pakistani suspects held over November's attacks in Mumbai.The prime minister asked for Scotland Yard detectives to be given the access, during talks in Islamabad on Sunday.
But Mr Brown's Pakistani counterpart, Yousaf Raza Gilani, said his country would "follow our laws".
The plea was made because UK citizen Andreas Liveras was among the 170 people murdered during the attack.
Mr Gilani told the country's parliament: "I want to assure you that when I met the British prime minister yesterday, he asked if... we would allow them to investigate those people."
He said his answer was no.
"It is our country and our laws will be implemented. We'll follow our laws."...
But Gordon Brown still gave them a lot of money. The British taxpayers must be furious to see so much of their money going to Muslims in one way or another, at home or abroad. Without any connection to Islam, the British could revitalize their culture and be free. Oh, the choices their governments have made since the end of World War 2...why do they deserve such punishment after all their struggle?
It's becoming uncomfortably obvious to the world just what a terrorist haven Pakistan always was and will continue to be......
And yet stupid Gordon Brown wants to give the pakistani's millions of pounds to 'combat' radicalism. If i was a british taxpayer i would be pretty pissed of about that.
I wonder if Obama's plan for Pakistan as expressed during the campaign needs or will be expanded upon. Irregardless if he wants it to or not?
You really have to laugh don't you.
The last eleven years in the UK have been like Groundhog Day except a never ending April 1st.
Flash Gordon continually talks about wanting to save the World, stop the poor in Africa being poor and give them an education. He's giving India 800million in Aid, yet they have their own space programme as well as quite a lot of millionaires. Our country is in recession and the banks won't bail out the pound sterling, drawing us closer to one currency with the Euro now higher in value to the Pound Sterling. People are losing their jobs galore. Immigrants are still coming in and new figures show that all jobs created in the last seven years under Labour have gone to a foreign workforce. And yet he gives Pakistan £6m to fight terrorism???????
Someone slap me and wake me up quick from this recurring dream please?
An article put up last year:
Fitzgerald: "Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality equals Islamic Pakistan"
I recently picked up at a book sale a copy of "The Miscellany," edited by P. Lal, and published in Calcutta. Issue #51 (June 1972), was one of three devoted to the then recently-deceased, at age 41, David McCutchion. An Englishman, David McCutchion was a lover of India, but not of the william-dalrympish sort, that is the kind who loves the luxe of the Moghul court and its love intrigues. Nor was he the kind of Englishman (also william-dalrympish) of the walking-across-half-a-continent-when-young sort, making use of local color of the human interest kind, often grizzled or wizened or wizenedly grizzled picturesque Muslims, to do the work for him. (These are downmarket Byrons and Newbys, not to mention the now-unfashionable, because bookish, traveller Gide in "Le Retour du Tchad.")
Rather, McCutchion was a true scholar, an Indophile who studied brick temples in Bengal, and Indian writing. He was a friend of Satyajit Ray and all sorts of interesting people in Calcutta who never get the attention in the West that all those anti-Western islamisant arundhati-roys manage to get.
I read through “The Miscellany” #51 -- and discovered a tribute from the Sanskrit (and Buddhism) scholar Richard Gombrich (son of E. H.). He opened his essay, titled “His Work Is Unrepeatable,” with this:
“The recent death of Mr. David McCutchion in Calcutta at the age of 41 is a catastrophe for oriental studies.” Gombrich describes McCutchion as a scholar who “devoted all his time, his money, and his exceptional energy and enthusiasm, to the study of arts and monuments which are fast disappearing. He tramped all over Bengal, both West and East, taking notes and photographs; his knowledge of the countryside was famous. A self-taught photographer, he spared no pains to take the perfect shot; and he leaves well over ten thousand colour slides and as many black and white photographs of high professional quality…..His greatest specialties were Bengali temple architecture and terra-cotta sculpture, the latter a lost skill of whose monuments little is known to the wider world; he also studied and collected Bengali scroll paintings. He explored many other parts of India too, and recorded even Gupta temples previously unknown.”
And a little more, taken from a website:
“David McCutchion (1930-1972), English-born scholar, Indophile and early critic of Raja Rao, was an authentic pioneer: in his short lifetime...made a major contribution to the study of Bengali temples...one of the first scholars to write on the now much commented subject of Indian Writing in English....Born in Coventry, David attended that city's King Henry VIII Grammar School. He made it to Cambridge University the hard way, on intellectual merit alone. He read Modern Languages (French and German) at Jesus College. After graduating in 1953, he taught English for two years in southern France. He went to India in 1957. He worked there first as an English teacher...and later, as Professor and then Reader in Comparative Literature at Jadavpur University, Calcutta.... David's ground-breaking study of Bengali brick temples, The Temples of Bankura District, was published by Writers Workshop in 1972.”
David McCutchion lived through the war made by West Pakistan (now Pakistan) on East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, in 1970-71. This was a war in which Muslim fanatics in East Pakistan, locally called razakars, joined forces with the raping and murdering army of West Pakistan. They accepted the argument that what was good for Pakistan -- that is, staying one country -- was necessarily good for Islam, and what was good for Islam was all that mattered.
Here is how, in a letter from England to a friend, McCuthion described the behavior of Pakistan:
“…We are raising funds [for those in what was then East Pakistan being murdered by the army of West Pakistan and its local, fervently Muslim East Pakistani collaborators], and hope to see the Minister of Overseas Development. What do I think of it all? Appalling…Pakistan shou’d never have existed -- it has cost more lives than the whole of the British Empire in 200 years. What should I think of a culture that burns down the British Council library in Lahore because an English publisher printed a picture of Mahomet? Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality equals Islamic Pakistan.”
One More Time:
"What do I think of it all? Appalling...Pakistan shou'd never have existed -- it has cost more lives than the whole of the British Empire in 200 years. What should I think of a culture that burns down the British Council library in Lahore because an English publisher printed a picture of Mahomet? Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality equals Islamic Pakistan."
Print out that last bit, and put it on your refrigerator, under the title: Pakistan.
[Posted by Hugh at July 28, 2007]
Britain is responsible for the creation of the state of Pakistan with its hasty and ill-considered partition of India in 1947, so we have
a good bit of responsibility for the fiasco that is Pakistan.
A quote from Ayn Rand, from a recent episode of the TV show 'Criminal Minds':
"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone."
There's no point in discussing the whys and wherefores with those immune to reason. It so much easier to blame others for your misfortune.
Someone slap me and wake me up quick from this recurring dream please?
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at December 15, 2008 7:12 PM
"Smack!" "Smack!" "Smack!"
Ahh - hah! Just as I thought! You're wide awake and NOT dreaming!
And note this well: "It is our country and our laws will be implemented. We'll follow our laws." Isn't it funny how so many Pakistanis, when they come to the UK, seem to forget that that simple principle applies to the British also?
WRONG! The Pakistanis haven't forgotten a (bloody) thing! The UK has forgotten about its own laws in this regard through people like gordon brown!
Maybe you people should have elected Mr. Bean for No. 10 Downing. As long as Teddy doesn't get lost, I think you will be in much better hands with Bean at the helm then you are under brown or blair.
As it stands, you people are in deep do-do; but fear not -- we in the US are urgently trying to join you.
Why? Well, like the usurper-in-chief said "it's above my paygrade."
Heck, we need Mr. Bean over here -- but we don't have anyone with as much accumen as teddy the way things look.
From the article:
"He {Pakistani PM} said his answer was no.
"It is our country and our laws will be implemented. We'll follow our laws."...'.
Fine.
Then all countries not dominated by Islam, all Infidel-majority countries, should respond, loud and clear to the murderous and aggressive Mohammedans on their borders, and to the seditious and quarrelsome Mohammedans who have infiltrated their midst:
"THIS is *our* country and *our* laws will be enforced. We'll follow our laws; and if you insist on breaking our laws, and showing contempt for us and our customs and laws, then you will suffer the punishments our law prescribes for such conduct, and we will remove you from our midst. [To the Muslims on the borders: 'cross our borders, attack our citizens, and we will FLATTEN YOU.'].
"Our laws forbid polygyny: so, out you go, Mr Mohammedan with your two, three, four 'wives'...or face a bigamy charge and a LOONG session in the clink, and by the way, all benefits are ceasing to said wives, as of yesterday;
'and Mr Imam who solemnised that marriage of Mr Muslim to Miss Muslim aged 10, contrary to our laws about the age of consent etc., Our Laws Will Be Enforced...you are being deported, now.
'and Mr Muslim 'Youth' who helped gang-rape a kafir girl: your putative citizenship just evaporated, and you are in the clink, sans Koran, sans visits from the imam, until your sentence ends, or you die of old age.
'And our laws forbid sedition and treason, so, Mr Muslim preaching jihad and the replacement of our laws by sharia...your citizenship that you despise is cancelled as of today, and here is your ticket back to Dar al-Islam...
'and the bulldozers are outside your mosque ready to flatten it, the moment the forensics team finishes searching it for evidence of activities that *our Law* deems illegal and/or immoral."
@ Hugh,
GREAT POSTING. I fully agree with David McCuthion. I really hope that one day India will wake the hell up and start reconquering the territories that were lost to the (demonic) invading islamic hordes and their offspring.
Does Britian think the terrorists will be grateful?? Sorry, but no everyone shares your code of honor.
Speaking of which...
Vote Paul McCartney for Anti-Dhimmi Internationale!!!!!!
Does Britian think the terrorists will be grateful?? Sorry, but no everyone shares your code of honor.
Speaking of which...
Vote Paul McCartney for Anti-Dhimmi Internationale!!!!!!
If the UK flattened every Mosque in the UK and brought in the treason Law with Death sentence, then I guarantee that it would help ease the recession as they'd be understaffed in the executioner department.
Here in the UK we need to seriously cripple Islam.
1. As above, knock down all the Mosques
2. Ban the worship of Islam within the UK
3. Knock down Halal meat shops and immediately forbid Halal with long sentences, followed by deportation if broken to ancestral home. If their country doesn't take them then they're simply dropped from a plane in the English channel on the french side. After all the chances are in the high 90's that they came to the UK that way in the first place. They can deal with them, seeing as the French love Islam so much.
4. Do not employ any Muslim near the serving of Pork or Alcohol.
5. Do not allow Muslims to sell alcohol, pork or anything forbidden/not made in Muslim countries. That pretty much puts everything in the West unsaleable then doesn't it? P.S. No importing of Muslim products.
6. No holidays for Muslims at religious events.
Now if that doesn't get them leaving the UK in their droves then nothing will. Oh I forgot the main one :
7. NO BENEFITS OR WELFARE. That means Muslims have to pay for all dental, medical and educational needs. No council houses, after all does Islam not say that a man must make and honest living?
We have to clamp down on Islam big time in the West. Make it the most unsavoury place for them to live.
P.S.
Great posts Hugh and dumbledoresarmy. And to witness, we may very well need an influx of American mercenaries in the future to help us not just combat Islam but the left wing as well when it does eventually kick off. Once done, we'd of course be coming to the UK to help you with your 'infestation' problem too.
Witness, The British electorate didn't elect Gordon Brown - he "inherited" power when Tony Blair ran away leaving his God-Awful immigration policies behind him.
To Richard the Lionheart:
If we outlaw Islam in the UK doesnt that make us no better than they are?
Don't get me wrong, the things SOME (key word "some", there ARE kind Muslims) of them do make me sick.
BUT...
The thing that separates us from them is our knowledge that the ends never justifies the means. Also when you forbid something it makes people more willing to do it. Remember when you were little and your mom told you NOT to read or do something and you had ZERO interest in doing that something until she forbade it?
If we outlaw Islam we prove everything they day about infidels is true. Fighting fire with fire will only destroy your world.
On a happier note...
Vote Paul McCartney for Anti Dhimmi Internationale!!!!!
To Richard the Lionheart:
If we outlaw Islam in the UK doesnt that make us no better than they are?
Don't get me wrong, the things SOME (key word "some", there ARE kind Muslims) of them do make me sick.
BUT...
The thing that separates us from them is our knowledge that the ends never justifies the means. Also when you forbid something it makes people more willing to do it. Remember when you were little and your mom told you NOT to read or do something and you had ZERO interest in doing that something until she forbade it?
If we outlaw Islam we prove everything they day about infidels is true. Fighting fire with fire will only destroy your world.
On a happier note...
Vote Paul McCartney for Anti Dhimmi Internationale!!!!!
Despite some cosmetic window dressing, policy changes, and some tokenism that helps to encourage US Federal funds to the tune of at least 1 billion a year including formal bans on a number of terrorist organizations – many prominent Islamist terrorist organizations continue to operate with a high measure of freedom in and from Pakistan. The country is positioned at the heart of contemporary Islamic terrorism.
Extremist Islam is, and has long been, the Pakistan's principal tool of internal political mobilization. Crucially, the footprint of almost every major act of international Islamist terrorism, for some time before 9/11 and continuously thereafter, invariably passes through Pakistan. Pakistan remains a haven,training base,and a financial facilitator of international terrorism throughout the world, it fails to protect NATO, and UN supplies through the Khyber pass daily of which much of it is destroyed before it even get to the pass. It helped I believe AQ khan to assist with clandestine development of Nukes and protects him now from any prosecution. And yet we are somewhat held hostage by the fact that they are a nuclear country as Iran is soon to be.
See list of Pakistani terrorist facilitators and groups here:
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/terroristoutfits/group_list.htm
The easiest way to solve the Pakistani problem is to re-introduce conscription. I guarantee that there wont be a Pakistani male between the ages of 18-40 in either America or Great Britain.
LucyintheSkywithCubicZircons,
I don't believe it makes us any different by outlawing Islam. It's an intolerant, death cult that will never ever see loyalty to anyone/thing other than Islam. Having intolerant people amongst tolerant ones creates serious discord and worse still, intolerant ones who want to indoctrinate everyone else with their very own 7th Century Arabian fairy tale. Sure, I'm contradicting myself. here but unless we drastically remove liberal thought from the equation of Islam and the West, there won't be a West!
Well it depends on how you've been brought up. When I was younger there was the choice of doing something that was forbidden or not doing it. I always went with the latter for the simple reason that if I didn't then my old man's belt would be travelling towards my backside at a speed similar to the removal of a picture of Muhammad in Pakistan.
However, because we are now living in a matriarchal society, where corporal punishment has been outlawed and men are becoming feminised, then this is the very reason why our society is so soft and liberal and allowing its Islamisation.
We outlaw Islam in the West and banish it once and for all to the East. We must inject everything we have into Nuclear and alternative energy and cut off Western medicine, aid and technology to Islamic countries. There will be war. There will be bloodshed but it will make Muslims eventually realise that the West is far superior to them and their Islamic religion nothing more than the rantings of a madman, who had no intention of expanding the mind and creating new technology with which to advance civilisation. Let us live how we want to live and let them the way they want to in their own lands. We should keep our noses out of their affairs and vice versa.
Fighting fire with fire stopped the Nazis taking over the West and many civilisation before. There comes a time when Jaw Jaw isn't working and it's time for War War.
The West is becoming weak and unless we stand up for ourselves then we will be Islamised. It's all very well having Utopian dreams of peace and harmony and all living together in one big love bubble but remember - Peace creates War and War creates Peace. Freedom always comes at a cost and we have our ancestors brave deeds to remind us just how much. We shame them with out cowardliness. We really do.
Richard the Lionhearted:
Maybe we should just bide our time until their secret agenda becomes known so people will listen to us and not think we're all crazy intolerant bigots.
Im not saying we ignore them. Just that we be more subtle until we can expose them.
LucyintheSkywithCubicZircons,
If we continue to bide our time, Islam in the West grows to such a size that would make bloodshed on a massive scale when it eventually kicks off. do you really want to wait for walking Nuclear bombs taking out not 6k like the Twin Towers but 600k?
I certainly don't.
Regardless the left will continue to support Islam and believe that it's all one big conspiracy from the right to persecute Islam. They will still look at Israel being the aggressors and the Palestinians the victims.
The same attitude of biding our time was taken by Neville Chamberlain in WW2. Thank goodness Churchill took over when he did or else liberalism would have destroyed the UK once and for all.
To: melbourneman,
You commented above that "Britain is responsible for the creation of the state of Pakistan with its hasty and ill-considered partition of India in 1947, so we have a good bit of responsibility for the fiasco that is Pakistan."
While I realise Britain did partition India in 1947 I'd keep in mind the fact that it was the continues MUSLIM invasions, war crimes and subjugation of the indiginous population in the name of ISLAM, over the past 1,000 years, that led to the hell that is ongoing today. So don't beat yourselves up over this, and be sure to lay the blame where it belongs, with the Peaceful religion of Islam (LOL).
Do not send Pakistan one more cent of foreign aid money...not one cent more..
What a wonderful and powerful message can be sent to the filthy Islamic nations if the dhimmi-ruled countries (India included)can repeat the words of Paki PM. We can then enforce OUR laws in OUR countries, rejecting outright any whining from Muslims in our midst. We can dismantle the taxpayer funded foot baths (as in US, UK, and elsewhere) and tell the whining Muslims to buzz off. We can deny them so-called "reasonable accommodation" practiced in US and probably Canada. We can close the "halal" business because this method is singularly barbaric. This will surely drive the Islamists away to their Islamic filthlands.
Richard the Lionheart writes: "...Flash Gordon continually talks about wanting to save the World, stop the poor in Africa being poor and give them an education. He's giving India 800million in Aid, yet they have their own space programme as well as quite a lot of millionaires." Sorry pal, in this country (India), I have not heard or read of Gordon handing over 800 million to us. In any case, Gordon and Britain can shove it where they deem fit. We don't need this "aid". In case you have not noticed, Tata Inc just bought out Jaguar and Landrover this past summer and this will happen more frequently. We don't need any "aid" from Brits or anyone else. What we need is for Brits to return the wealth stolen from us. Let us start with the Kohinoor diamond stolen from us and
worn by your boring queen. Cheers!
One note in regard to the partition of the Indian Empire into India and Pakistan. It was not exactly the work of the British. It was due to the insistence of the Moslem Indians that they had to have a separate "homeland". In the elections of 1947, the Muslim League won virtually all of the seats reserved for Moslems, and a spearate Moslem country was their objective. The British were broke and exhausted after the war, and were in no position to enforce any other solution, so they acquiesced.
I just love it when some of the posters blame the Brits for the Partition. I count it as one of the (unintended) blessings of British rule along with the English language, the railways and the modern state. The same jokers would drone on about mohamedan influence on India without considering that India is much better off with a major chunk of mohamedans confined to the two Pakistans.
Pakistan refuses to help everybody and they claim that they will enforce their own laws. They put Lashkar-e-Taiba's founder, Hafiz Saeed, on house arrest, only it's a different kind of house arrest, it's the kind of house arrest where you are allowed to leave your house. Journalists witnessed Hafiz Saeed leaving a mosque while the police were claiming he was in the house under house arrest. You can read about it here.
I would agree with ebonystone and ivan regarding the partition of India in 1947. The conventional liberal line is that this is due to British machinations. However a civil servant who was there at the time said it was inevitable. When Nehru went into the muslim provinces before independence they quote, "threw shit" at him.
http://www.dawn.net/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news/pakistan/hauliers-refuse-to-transport-supplies-for-afghan-troops-yn
"We believe there's a strike at Khyber Transport Association, but it is currently not affecting Isaf,’ said Captain Mark Windsor, chief public affairs officer with the NATO-led force."
Exactly as Hamid Gul wanted Pakistan to do a few weeks ago. He said Pakistan should cut off NATO supply lines surreptitiously through a 'union strike'. I am sure US will have to pay the bribe now.
Observing quite a number of comments here.....
Why has it not come to the conclusion, that Terrorism is a big money business? It was for Mo...... It certainly is now....
Hello?
IndianTiger wrote:
"Richard the Lionheart writes: "...Flash Gordon continually talks about wanting to save the World, stop the poor in Africa being poor and give them an education. He's giving India 800million in Aid, yet they have their own space programme as well as quite a lot of millionaires." Sorry pal, in this country (India), I have not heard or read of Gordon handing over 800 million to us".
One of the banes (or I suppose, blessing) of forums and message boards on the internet is that people can throw about statistics and opinions like confetti with little regard to truth or reality.
Oh well, I suppose we just have to live with it!
800 million, wow!
Indian Tiger
Here is the report from the BBC website in January this year. It is £825 million over 3 years which is probably not that much at today's prices.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbc.co.uk%2F1%2Fhi%2Fuk_politics%2F7198546.stm&ei=epNHSaulIof00AS7g5TIDQ&usg=AFQjCNErS8-C7vOCookkmyKtmG-5hs-JJQ&sig2=xbuQLhwuCVG-Dlh18ZRyjg
I hope we do not fall out over this as we have common interests. Indians are generally respected in the UK as peaceable people who "keep themselves to themselves". Unlike Pakistanis as any UK poster can confirm.
Good idea, provided America and Britain also continued with military intervention in Muslim countries. Only then will it force Muslim males to leave Britain, as else they would have to fight fellow Muslims.
This is a good, however, we will still be left with their large families, and growing by the day. And as Muslim women can not support themselves, we will be, quite literally, left holding the baby.
Partition was a good idea, or else India would be virtually a Muslim majority country by now.
Partition was a heaven sent, once in a thousand year opportunity, for India to be rid of its Muslims. If the sensible and humane decision had been made, that Muslims were to leave for Pakistan, and Hindus to leave for India, then it is quite likely that Muslims in the Pakistani side of the border would not have started the massacres of Hindus to make them leave, as Hindus were leaving dar al islam anyway. Thus the massacres of Hindus and Sikhs by Muslims, and the following reprisals by Sikhs and Hindus on Muslims, could have been avoided, or at the least, minimised. We see yet again, that not taking the hard decisions at the opportune time leaves to real difficult times later.
In India, the fault lies with Gandhi and Nehru. Both of them were more concerned about their future saintliness rather the future of Hindus and non-Muslims. As a consequence, hundreds of thousands of people on the sub-continent have died, and will continue to be massacred in the future - all as sacrificial lambs on the altar of Gandhi's sainthood.
We also had a once in a thousand year opportunity to be rid of Muslims in the West. That window was open for a few weeks after 9/11. Many Muslims even expected that such would be the case, and were planning to leave. We failed to take that opportunity, and as India, will now continue to pay the price - Madrid, London etc.
Lion Heart,
I have seen various reports of £800 million in aid to India over 3 years which is £266 Million per year)
Do not think that Britains sole interaction with India is the giving of aid.
Just Google the words "British exports to India"
You will find that Britain exports about
£3.9-£4.5 Billion of goods and service per year to India and that figure is growing.
Personally I don't think Britain should send any aid.
Britains think about "call centers" in India taking jobs from Brits. Think of all the other things the UK exports such as that £1.5 billion deal for 66 Hawk trainers, with an order for 44 more to follow. India needs 20- 50 nuclear reactors, imagine if the uk contracted just 5 of those.
Anyway apart from that I have seen your website. When are you guys going to start "visiting" the islamists at home in order to talk to them "robustly" or does all the BNP do is talk ??
Well it looks as though the authorities have been in touch with JW.
I just received a:
It seems as though freedom of speech is now no longer permitted in Jihad Watch. This is a real pity.
And the Jihad Watch train rolls on to Islamisation.
Now what was it Voltaire said again? Something in the lines of "I may not agree with what you've written but I will defend your write to say it"?
Sad day, Jihad Watch has obviously had its knuckles wrapped by the "thought/hate/destruction of free speech" police.
Now that is a pity
apostate Islam,
I am not Lion Heart(I propose you're speaking of the person from Luton, who spoke on the Immigration programme on CH4 a while back?) of the wesbsite that you have seen(currently living in Asylum in the USA), although I am very angry at the treatment of this blogger considering that the BBC allows Anjem Choudary to speak on its channel who has said far worse things about Britain than Lionheart ever has. I am 100% behind Lion heart and so should every Brit really. I suppose I took this name in respect to what's happened to Lionheart as I find it appalling quite frankly.
I agree with your post. My previous post(before the one before this one) was censored in reply to Indian tiger and Hermit, on the £800m aid to India over 3 years. I stated that in a time of recession in the UK when lots of people are going to lose their jobs, this money should be used here and not in India. We should close all call centres in India and if companies refuse then they can relocate to India, cancelling all business with the UK. Let Indians pay for their services at their prices and see how long the companies last there.
I find it abhorrent that the UK is giving India £825 million over 3 years to help their education and health system, when they are doing their best to destroy our eduction and health systems(thanks to Ed Balls' ridiculous education proposals and continued health tourism, bleeding the UK dry). I could go on about that but won't.
India has just launched a rocket to the moon so why the hell does it need our money?
I have no doubt that there will be attacks on Islamists in the UK from angry citizens. We have already seen a paedophile being attacked and killed in the UK because our police/judicial system are doing a pathetic job. It won't take long before they attack those who wish to do them and the UK harm. It is inevitable apostate.
There is much to do really regarding Islam in the UK but I really don't think the government is going to do anything about it. I don't think the Conservatives will either. The BNP will win alot of votes next election but they won't get in. They may in the future, but the damage will be so great, civil war will be on the cards, not forgetting the possibility of Nuclear attack from suicide bombers via Pakistan's Nuclear ability and Iran's future capabilities(not unless Israel takes them out first).
Much to do. Much to do Apostate.
I agree with Richard's 7 point program. When it comes to survival, it's of secondary, if not lower, importance that we be perceived as better than them, or not. And as he astutely notes, it's not like time is on our side, that we allow things to get to the point where everybody sees what we see.
Also, those Indians above who blame the Brits for partitioning India are totally ignorant of the role the Mohammedans had in demanding it, as well as the stupidity of Gandhi and Nehru in doing what they could to keep India's Mohammedans within India.
And I agree with Fred - hope there isn't a fall-out over this issue, when you have Pakis plotting terrorism in both UK and India, if not elsewhere.
P.S. Richard, don't worry about that message you saw. I too once encountered that, and thought I had been banned, but after I successfully logged in again 2 days later, everything worked normally. I've also occasionally seen posts of mine deleted. So don't take that to heart.
Thank you Infidel Pride,
For some reason it isn't allowing me to reply to Indian Tiger and Hermit. Maybe it's because I have too many "blockquotes". I don't know.
I do feel angry as I've always kept my opinions respectable and never attacked another, well not unless they've attacked me first, not forgetting that Robert Spencer is always going on about Western values disappearing and this is not the first time I've had a post deleted from his admin team. I do find it blatant hypocrisy quite frankly.
I don't think people really quite realise the gravity of the situation. Worse still I don't think they realise just how liberal they are in their views. We are looking at complete and total cultural destruction not forgetting submission to Islam and an oppressive totalitarian ideology that persecutes many and they're more interested in the Human and citizenship rights of Muslims in the West who hold no loyalty to it whatsoever!
What's ironic is that my plan may very well come into action in the future, that is, only after many people have died in Islamic conflict in the UK. The government and people will realise too late that Islam is a problem and innocents will end up dying under the sword of Islam in order to prove a point that was made a long time ago, incidentally by Enoch Powell, but no doubt far, far back in the past from unknown politicians who warned others of multiculturalism, especially regarding Islam.
Thank you, Fred, for providing the link to BBC article of January 2008. Normally, I don't bother to read British Biased Corp because of its soft peddling of Islam and biased terminology. When terrorists struck London, BBC called them terrorists. When they caused mayhem in Mumbai, they were suddenly "gunmen". Excuse me: gunmen? As in gunmen robbing a bank? So, when Brits die, the same scum are terrorists and when Indians die, they are just gunmen?
Anyway, thanks again for the link. I stand corrected. Nonetheless, it is shameful on part of Indian government to accept this "aid" when we have over US$250 billion in forex reserves. India can do without this "aid".
I am in agreement with Lion Heart on this issue. I also find it abhorrent that Brits hand out 800 million pounds to India at a time when India is brimming with large forex reserves. On my part, there is no falling out with Brits. We are on the same side, fighting Islam. Besides, I have a lot of love and respect for the Brits. My first degree was in English from Oxford so I know Brits quite well and respect them. Before anyone can say British taxpayers paid for this degree, I assure you that my parents paid for ALL expenses.
Partition of Indian subcontinent was a God sent in one sense. But, traitors like Nehru and Gandhi allowed Muslims to stay on in India to cause problems forever.
The jihadies were smilling as they killed infidels because they believed they were getting closer to heaven with each kill. Now Pakistan is laughing behind the backs of India and the UK.
Since when did any terrorist help the law investigating their terror act?
Just to go with Mr Fitzgerald's posting, featuring David McCutchion's devastating one-liner summing up Islamic Pakistan, I will re-post something I just encountered in the archives:
a searing account, by another English scholar (the young archaeologist Dominc Tabrar-Synge, who used to post here until his untimely death), concerning the sheer abominable barbarism of Islamic Pakistan and its atrocious erasure of its own pre-Islamic history.
Make no mistake: that which so shocked Dominic, shocked him so much that he sat in the plane on the way home weeping for the destruction and the ugly mean-minded destructiveness which he had witnessed, is exactly what the jihad- and sharia-minded Muslims fully intend to do to every physical trace of every bit of non-Muslim art and history, in every last corner of this terrestrial globe, unless they are stopped.
So: here is Dominic, speaking only a couple of months before his death. Every word of it chimes with McCutchion's ruthless assessment.
"The government of Pakistan actually controls very little of that country - most areas outside the capital are efectively self-governing and respond only to military pressure from the centre.
"Very little civilian authority remains, especially in the more remote areas, and sharia law predominates even in the larger towns.
"Pakistan is most certainly not safe for Western civilised people to visit.
"Furthermore, there is a widespread culture of bribery for everything from owning a vehicle to taking a taxi to shopping for necessities.
" In effect, law and order, as the average civilised Western person would understand those terms, has long since ceased to have any meaning; indeed, such meanings probably ceased to be relevant shortly after 1947.
"A couple of years ago I was privileged to be allowed to join a study team looking into the rock carvings (petroglyphs) and inscriptions along the Karakorum Highway - part of the old 'Silk Road' network - which are, or, rather, were, some of the most historically important artifacts in Pakistan.
" I had read, naturally, the opinions of Professors Jettmar and Hauptmann (Heidelberg University) and also Professor A.H. Dani (Quaid-i-Azam University Islamabad, Pakistan) a most civilised moslem of the 'old school' so to speak) and I looked forward to a very civilised and enjoyable two months pottering about amongst some very interesting carvings.
"Well, I was never more mistaken in my life!
"The rock carvings are mainly, but not exclusively, in the area around the village of Chilas in the Diamir District and it cost the whole team almost two thousand pounds (three thousand US dollars) in bribes,
and three weeks of time in Islamabad, to have our travel documents made good for the journey to Chilas.
"It cost us an additional one thousand five hundred pounds for the 'arrangement' of a military escort - an escort, incidentally, which was never provided;
" we were, instead, escorted, if that could be construed to be the correct word, by a group of what I can only describe as barbarian, gun-toting ruffians who had to be paid off in US dollars on a daily basis. {Nota bene: if you read Mark Twain's The Innocents Abroad, you will find that he was compelled to do exactly the same thing when visiting the land of Israel, then controlled by the abominable Turkish Muslims - dda}.
"When we finally got to Chilas - a nightmare journey which took three days - we had the added financial burden of having to pay a 'tax' to each and every mosk in the area in order to be allowed to stay there (this eventually came to over one-and-a-half thousand pounds)
"and various moslem clerics routinely searched our baggage for what they called 'illegal works' and 'the devil's machines' and which we came to realise meant Christian writings and anything that looked like having a purpose more than that of a simple camera.
"We had been told that there were some 45 sites on a stretch of the Indus of about 80 miles in length, and on both banks, with about 40,000 petroglyphs and 10,000 inscriptions in more than 15 writing systems
"and that the carvings were scraped, or chiseled in some cases, into the larger stones scattered about on the river banks and the lower flood banks of the river valley.
"Certainly there are at least that number of sites but at almost every site we visited systematic destruction of the carvings had obviously taken place.
"At one site, a mere ten miles from Chilas,
"we witnessed for ourselves a group of locals, obviously under the directions of several clerics,
"systematically destroying the stones with large hammers, steel rods and sundry other tools.
"When we attempted to remonstrate with these people we were physically attacked
"and our interpreter - a young man from Islamabad - told us that our attackers were telling us that they were deliberately destroying the works of the ungodly that the British put there so that they could come back and claim the place as their own again!
"No amount of reasoning and explanation seemed to get through to these people.
"Some three days later we did manage to convince one imam that these rocks were much older than the British colonial era
"and he turned to us and said, according to our translator, that if they (the rock inscriptions) were indeed as old as we claimed
"then they didn't matter
"and should be destroyed anyway for they obviously came from the mythical (his word) era before the coming of the prophet
"and so had no validity.
"He added that
because we were interested in them
" then they all had to be destroyed to save his people from the evil ways which we infidels brought with us.
" All of this, you understand, from a man who was counted amongst the folk of that area to be educated and knowledgeable!
"I'm not ashamed to admit that on the aeroplane home to London I wept - yes, really, I cried.
"Why?
"Because these damned barbarian moslems don't just want to rewrite the past,
" they want to destroy it also -
"they want to remove any evidence that anything is any different from that which they claim.
"They are doing it everywhere and all the time - robbing all of us of our past, cutting us off from our various identities, systematically destroying our sense of us.
"Even here, in civilised old Britain,
"I have encountered moslem youths who disrupt archaeological conferences,
"attempt to destroy archaeological sites,
"attack archaeologists and pervert knowledge
" in a desparate [sic: desperate] attempt to deny that the past ever contained anything other that islam.
"And what do we do?
"Well, we give in as far as I can see. Some days it just all seems so hopeless".
- Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at February 11, 2007 12:51 AM
dda
"They are doing it everywhere and all the time - robbing all of us of our past, cutting us off from our various identities, systematically destroying our sense of us.
"Even here, in civilised old Britain,
"I have encountered moslem youths who disrupt archaeological conferences,
"attempt to destroy archaeological sites,
"attack archaeologists and pervert knowledge
" in a desparate [sic: desperate] attempt to deny that the past ever contained anything other that islam.
This is incredible. I have met ordinary people people on the receiving end of muslim aggression but "moslem youths who disrupt archaeological conferences". Does anyone know where and when?
Indian Tiger
Be assured that your contempt for the BBC is shared by many people in the UK. Posters here refer to it as al'BBCera and elsewhere the Burka Broadcasting Corporation. I have heard it called a better name - the Bull**** Broadcasting Corporation.
Fred
I think Dominic, as in the entire posting which I cited above, spoke from bitter personal experience. He was a practising archaeologist who had worked on digs both in the UK and elsewhere, in the course of his studies and then after graduating.
If he said that a conference had been disrupted, I am sure that it was a conference where he himself had been present, although he didn't relate the details.
As for Muslim aggression, within the UK, toward an archaeological dig:
I do recall Dominic's recounting how, in the UK, on a salvage dig in an urban site, presumably in an area with a significant Mohammedan population, he and his colleagues were threatened by a bunch of young Muslim thugs. I forget the precise details of the exchange but in the end the archaeologists got over being frightened and got mad instead...they were tired and cranky and soaking wet and covered with mud already, and being threatened by Muslim yobs was the last straw.
And they suddenly remembered that hoes, spades, shovels and mattocks can become weapons...as I recall, Dominic and his mates advanced with expressions of wrath, their tools upheld, and the Muslim thugs, not being in sufficient numbers, bolted.