Sometime during the hour between 10 and 11AM Pacific time, that is, in just a few minutes, the BBC World Service will include me in a radio discussion on the question, "Must Muslims now accept that Islam has a problem with terrorism?" I don't know exactly when, but you can listen online at the link.
I'm told also that the others commenting on this point include an array of some of the top apologists for Islamic activity in the world today. They will no doubt be doing quite a bit of obfuscating and finger-pointing, but I will do my best to break through the fog in the time I'm given.
I am disappointed that I cannot tune in from work, BUT hopefully I can catch the recording later on tonight. I'd say good luck with the discussion, but I think we all know you won't need it. The truth can only be suppressed for so long!
You go, Robert! Spencer is The Man!
Robert, on the Beeb, no less! Excellent! A truth to power opportunity. Will look forward to seeing how it turns out. Bon chance!
Day late & dollar short: Every time I see a photo of Ayman al-Zawahiri with that big dent in his forehead, I want to fill it in with a dab of Bondo. Or, an exterior-grade drywall mud, spackle, etc.
Just tuned in to the show and the participants are dancing all over with the same old excuses, looking forward to Robert cuffing them into focus.
Uggh, the commenters are historical twits. One idiot likened the Christians of Nazi fame, yes, they were Christians, you know. Just ask Bruce Walker (google his book Sinisterism; Secular Religion of the Lie)to the terrorists. What they ought to be likening them to is the wretched prophet of Islam and his edicts, instead, but no, they just don't know why! Why?
Very strange dialogue...
Careful with that tail wagging the dog.
I did not hear Mr. Spencer but the other people seem to be typical "fact of the matter" types. Moral authority, statement discourse and illogic is obviously contagious... Hope RS is keeping his vaccinations up to date.
Remember the US was behind 9/11!
??? Anyone know if the UK being behind 7/7 meme ever gained traction? ???
Lan astaslem,
GoingThere
Wow..that was painful...
Was it 4 against one, or was it 5? Why did they give all the Islamic apologist endless time to tell us Islam is not a fault, but gave only a few brief moments to Mr. Spencer? Oh that is right...I remember now..never mind...
Tell'em Mr. Spencer!!!
Local Mumbai Islam's are not burying the terrorists BUT the findings from Islam authorities around the world indicate that the exact opposite should be taking place...gotta get those virgins for the heroes.
Mass condemnation of terrorism brings trust.
Lan astaslem
GoingThere
Hummmm that was interesting. The BBC got the format all wrong in my opinion. It was like trying to explain some kind of complex chemical equation in a theater meant for people with short attention spans. Robert did as well as humanly possible with that ridiculous sound bite format.
We got all the typical excuses: McVeigh did it too, Indian state terror is the cause, only a few bad apples, Islam is being blamed by a rabid Islamophobe press, and some guy from Kenya e-mailed in that "Islam is a religion of Peace"....
You know when the woman (what ever her name is) read that e-mail..I burst out laughing....
I felt like I listening to the Islamic Apologics Radio!
It is a small victory to be featured on the Beeb in the firstplace. Questions raised; the fog machine churns; and Robert Spencer rises to dissent, and interject the voice of moral outrage--Our thanks to all of our participants; until next time . . .
No matter what demographic allegiance one might claim if you want me to trust you then you must behave in a manner that I can trust.
Cheering for terrorists and making them heroes is not behaving in a trustworthy manner.
LOUD PUBLIC condemnation of terrorists is behaving in a trustworthy manner.
Hmmm...is it me or are the crickets around the world (save for a too few) winning?
Lan astaslem,
GoingThere
Now some Muslims will undoubtedly claim Allah struck down Robert's voice with a divine frog in his throat. But Israel winning the Six Day War? Not Allah, that's for sure.
And the more these "experts" deny that islam has anything to do with terrorism, the more deadly terrorism moslems will commit across the world. The people that are in denial about islam and the apologists only encourage moslems to kill even more.
"It is a small victory to be featured on the Beeb in the first place"
I would say not. It is like getting sucked into their propaganda machine. They invite truth tellers like Robert on to the programme in order to discredit and belittle him with their squadrons of creepy apologists. the average brainwashed BBC consumer will come away from this painful exercise in reinforcement thinking that Robert is another bigot and racist. That's the set up.
Robert, why did you hog all the airtime like that? -- joke. Man, what silly mess that show was! You were cogent and excellent as always but the overall impact was so disheartening. The denial here, where Muslims are crying out that they fight in the name of Islam but no one seems to hear them, has eclipsed the sandal scene in Monty Python's "Life of Brian". Sad, sad, sad.
Anyway, as someone who's only posted once or twice but who is nonetheless very concerned about the interface of Islam and the rest of the world, I just want to commend you again for all the excellent, excellent work you do, day-in, day-out. You and your colleagues are top-notch. I'm proud just to be a reader! And that's NO joke. :)
Kick some ass, Robert!
I really enjoy the Muslim apologists who suddenly turn into historians to point out historical attrocities commited by other religions. Two wrongs don't make a right. In the here and now, Islam is a constant force of evil with a clear agenda of worldwide indoctrination, subgigation and oppression via the sword. There is no greater force of evil on this planet today.
johndoe,
Yes, but . . .
It's easier to ignore the spokesman of a contrarian point of view than to discredit him.
Exposure on the BBC raises Mr. Spencer's profile, and ultimately leads some to examine his work, books, and website. Not everyone will buy into moral relativism and accident of circumstance to explain away every outrage. And not everyone will respond to being victimized by developing the Stockholm Syndrome--that is, identifying with the perpetrators in the wake of psychic trauma--either.
Posted by johndoe,
I would say not. It is like getting sucked into their propaganda machine. They invite truth tellers like Robert on to the programme in order to discredit and belittle him with their squadrons of creepy apologists. the average brainwashed BBC consumer will come away from this painful exercise in reinforcement thinking that Robert is another bigot and racist. That's the set up.
Yes, you are very right
Many here will recognize and praise Robert, but for the majority of Brits they will side with the old familiar faces, and they do not ave a clue to who Robert is.
Robert was set up
They could have used a familiar face such as Melanie Philips, but they did not, because they use her for other purposes and other insidious set ups.
I would like to elaborate but unfortunately it involves one of the more nasty types that still remain in the BNP, so I do not want to be accused of high jacking this thread, even though it would give an example of how the BBC functions.
So if any body would like to have an opinion, then I will bring it on,but only on the condition that this thread turns into a discussion about BNP, but instead concentrate on the BBC
I have also stumbled across that Alan Johnson is a Muslim, yet the BBC did not mention this at any during the time he was held captive, or any time since, which has been largely overlooked here and every where on the blog sphere
Sadly to say the result of Robert appearing on the BBC is not positive, he is going to be lumped together with certain people and groups that many here disapprove of.
Sadly Robert is not aware of how the BBC twist things.
SORRY
In the above comment I should be
So if any body would like to have an opinion, then I will bring it on, but only on the condition that this thread DOES NOT turn into a discussion about BNP, but instead concentrate on the BBC.