In Human Events this morning, some lessons from Mumbai:
Why was India -- a nation that has suffered enormously from terrorism in the past seven years -- unprepared for the Mumbai attacks? And why are America, Britain and most of the rest of the civilized world equally unprepared even now, so many years after 9-11?London’s Telegraph reported Monday that “the former head of Britain’s SAS has revealed that Britain is not adequately prepared for a Mumbai-style terror attack. He said hundreds of civilians would have been massacred if such an assault was carried out in this country.”
The primary reason for this unpreparedness, of course, is the unwillingness or inability of government, law enforcement, and the mainstream media to confront the ideology of the jihadists and the Islamic doctrines that provide the foundation for that ideology.
Instead, it is an ironclad dogma in the American public square that the overwhelming majority of American Muslims decisively and unequivocally reject that ideology and doctrine and have nothing but abhorrence for the jihadists. Thus it is unsurprising that it was a Kuwaiti journalist, rather than an American one, who in the wake of the Mumbai attacks dared to observe that the Emperor has no clothes: “Unfortunately, we have yet to see a distinguished popular condemnation in the traditional Arab or Muslim communities that strongly rejects what is happening in the name of Islam.” So wrote the Kuwaiti columnist Khaled al-Jenfawi.Underscoring this imperial nudity is the fact that as the full magnitude of the Mumbai carnage was still unfolding, some Muslim leaders as they condemned the attacks appeared principally concerned that they would hurt Islam’s image. Inayat Bunglawala of the Muslim Council of Britain lamented that “a handful of terrorists like this bring the entire faith into disrepute.” Likewise Kazim al-Muqdadi, a lecturer at Baghdad University, complained that “the occupation of the synagogue and killing people in hotels tarnishes the Muslim faith.”
How to polish this tarnished image? One way might be to end the duplicity that is all too common. For example, Saudi Arabia announced that it “strongly condemns and denounces this criminal act” in Mumbai. However, Jonathan Fighel of Israel’s International Institute for Counter-Terrorism observed that the Saudis had been sending financial support to the jihadists in Kashmir, the brothers-in-arms of the Mumbai attackers. “This demonstrates,” noted Fighel, “exactly the double game and, I would say, the hypocrisy of the Saudi regime.”
Of course, there is one thing they could do about that that would actually begin to make people think better of Islam. Imams could begin to saturate mosques and madrassas with the message that jihad warfare is never justified, that the imperative to subjugate unbelievers under the rule of Islamic law must be decisively rejected, and that peaceful coexistence as equals with unbelievers is to be maintained indefinitely. But they do not. They continue to play the same double game that the Saudis do.
Hamas leader Khaled Mash’al recently declared that “the day will come, within several years, when this world will change, submitting to the Arab Islamic will, Allah willing.” If Islamic clerics stopped talking about making the world submit to Islamic law and began to teach genuine tolerance of unbelievers and acceptance of them as equals, Islam’s image might begin to improve.
If Muslim leaders worldwide energetically condemned all those who maintained belief in the Qur’an’s literal words of war and in the traditional Islamic doctrines regarding jihad warfare (whether by hot war or by stealth), as well as declaring beyond the fold of Islam anyone who wished to impose Shari’a upon unbelievers by force, and if those leaders demonstrated their sincerity by actions instead of mere words, informed non-Muslims might begin to think better of Islam.
Until they do, how can we?
These things will not happen. Instead, Deepak Chopra and others have rushed to blame the West for the Mumbai jihad massacres -- while at the UN, Islamic states have successfully pushed through a resolution criminalizing “blasphemy,” i.e., criticism of Islam, while ignoring one that was introduced denouncing violence committed in the name of religion. That in itself is telling.
The world will never be prpepared because they have this ridiculous idea they are dealing with people who have a conscience.
People around the world need to realise that you cannot change an ideology such as Islam, but you can help fight against it and show its flaws, only then can you show how unjust it tuly is.
However in the world of being PC, we are putting ourselves in danger at the cost of keeping the muslim world happy.
What has Mumbai taught me? Mumbai taught me that Modi should be the next Prime Minister of India and the Congress party of India sucks.
-Ayo Gorkhali
It's "Why do they hate us" soul-searching all over again, or self-loathing and the Stockholm Syndrome. Anything but resistance and steadfast resolve.
The UK government won't take the necessary action to prevent another Islamist terror attack for two reasons:
1. The UK government does not care about a few hundred innocent people being killed. It probably doesn't care about a few thousand being killed either. Our leaders only care about staying in power, lining their pockets with our cash and telling us what to do.
2. The UK government loves all Muslims - even ones who commit terrorist atrocities - because Muslims (along with masses of other third world immigrants) are helping to destroy the UK's national identity, which will make it easier to surrender our sovereignty to the totalitarian EUSSR.
What the government should do is:
1. Ban all Muslim immigration - even for husbands of wives here who had arranged marriages in Pakistan just so that they could get into the UK.
2. Crack down on jihadist sympathisers travelling to Pakistan and Afghanistan.
3. Block all mosque construction.
4. Deport preachers of hate - even those like Anjem Choudary who are British. He should be sent to a Muslim country of his choosing.
5. Ban the hijab, the burka, the niqab and all other forms of oppression against women.
6. Unconditionally ban Sharia law, including Sharia banking, finance and insurance.
7. Any other measures that will make it clear that Islam is not wanted in the UK.
I tend to agree with the first couple of comments at the top.
I think it futile to hope or expect Islam will reform from within, this side of God's kingdom.
Islam can no more reject their prophet / warrior-king, than Christianity can reject their prophet / savior, than the Jews can reject their prophet / law-giver.
The best we can hope for is an awareness of the deadly threat to the non-Islamic world and a sustained effort to counter and crush it.
Prospects of this happening do not appear all that promising.
BRITAIN HAS A BAS GROUP UNDERMINING ANY EFFORT TO COMBAT ISLAM THE GROUP IS CALLED COMMON PURPOSE.
The group has a very large budget in the e.u. and its ideology is as much immigration from all over the world.
There stated idea is the is a greater pool for future leaders they control police and politicians my computer is messed upi can not give you a web site i cannot paste so look up common purpose of britain.
The left wing nut running this is an american and it is coming here it is funded by tax payers where ever it goes watch these people thgey are the greatest threat to stopping islam.
We have forgten "9-11", all images of people leaping from flaming buildings, splating on the ground, noises and sounds have been whitewashed, yes we have forgotten.
what will it take? my worst fear is far greater carnage, than we will live in a police state with our real freedoms taken. it seems the left is so damm blind that it will take something very huge. but then you have look at India to see how much death and destruction they have taken, and still no lessons here. For all those hammering away at Bush, you will regret it for when BO comes to power, he will be ten times worse, and take more of your freedmos away, as the left is not far from communists, and we just need to look at what Trudeau did to our freedoms with one very small incident happened in Quebec in 1970. English Canada said it was a good, and the French Canadians in Quebec still remember and many still hold grudges. I was in grade 8 and just remember fear from what people felt, our freedoms left us overnight.
As long as our country continues to stick to infantile policies such as "Islam is a Religion of Peace", we will have no defense against their encroachment upon the civilized world.
There is only one way for civilization to survive this final onslaught by Islam. That is for us to grow up (or sober up) and act as adults in our thinking. We must face Islam head on, recognize it for what it is, then destroy it as we would any other preditor that is about to kill us.
In WWII we had adult minds in charge and we prevailed because we did not engage in silly wishful thinking that leads to ideological misunderstandings such as the ridiculous notion that "Islam is a religion of peace".
With those sophomoric words as his guiding light, Bush has helped doom our civilization. The people of this country need to grow up and confront this beast called Islam directly. Then and only then will we begin to turn the tide of this war in our favor.
If anyone has any doubt that we do not have adults in charge in Washington, then just look at what our "adults" are doing with regard to the bailout.
SPOT ON
Iagree with you completely but would also put in zero common sense.
Our so called leaders we have created kings.
Our forefathers intended for 50 percent turn over in senate and congress every election what we have is guys in office as long as 70 years.
It is no ones fault but our own it is time we grew up a little our selves when we point out the failure of this goverment in us we should all be looking in a mirror to.
I point out the failure of not having term limits in this way our goverment are not in touch with us peasants it is time for term limits in every office of goverment.
To be clear, let us not forget, that islam is literally a fascist ideology; for it claims its own doctrine to be superior, and all doctrines other than its own inferior, and seeks to impose its doctrine apon all of humankind by any means necessary, including that of a physically violent manner if need be, in order to enforce sharia law.
It is head-scatchingly curious that educated folk who claim to be informed about these matters, continue to advocate for themselves and others, adherence to this religion.
With those sophomoric words as his guiding light, Bush has helped doom our civilization.
Posted by: Spot on
This is why George W. Bush is a failed president. He had the opportunity to lead. Bush is a failure in leadership because all we've gotten from Mr. Bush is lies and deceit. The president of the United States has an obligation to clearly define the enemy. Not only did Bush fail to define the enemy, he lies about the enemy
Bush is a long line of failed politicians think about this since reagens amnesty which he did nothing after to protect borders we have had no politician in office speak of america first not one we are electing foriegn interest presidents.
Bush is a long line of failed politicians...
Posted by: spcbat
spcbat I cannot think of a greater failed U.S. president than George W. Bush. We are living in critical times; deadly times. I know of no other U.S. president who not only failed to identify the enemy but who lied for the enemy and who gave aid and comfort to the enemy. This is the very definition of treason. Do you know any U.S. president in our history who was guilty of treason?
WILD JEW
Yea every u.s. president since ike the last american pres has committed treason with foriegn interests includeing most in other offices when is the last time you heard we must protect americans we must be america first ike was it pal.
We need to and report this if you shall remove by what ever means every single person in office now we must rise 50 millon american march on washington but we wont which is why we lose enjoy our game boys heck i can give you 50 politician names who have committed treason ststill in office.
I am listening to a Brian Lamb / C-Span interview with Robert Spencer on audio. Spencer made an important point. I am paraphrasing.
'Islam is the only religious tradition that advocates killing UNBELIEVERS'.
This is a critical point. On Qur'an 9:111 ("Believers..fight in His Cause, and slay and are slain..."), Abdullah Yusuf Ali, in his commentary wrote the following apologia in an effort to shed a better light on Islam: "The Jewish wars were ruthless wars of extermination. The Old Testament does not mince words on this subject."
The point is, God -- instead of destroying these wicked peoples as He did Sodom and Gomorrah -- commanded Moses and Joshua to destroy the Canaanites, to drive them out of the land (not because they were unbeliever but) because they were utterly evil and wicked (see Leviticus chapter 18).
....'You shall not give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God; I am the LORD.
'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
'Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.
'Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.
'For the land has become defiled, therefore I have brought its punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants...." etc.
spcbat, there were past presidents who failed to define, apologized for and lied about the enemy while we were at war with the enemy as Bush has done?
Even the left-leaning socialist FDR did not fail to define the enemy. We were at war with Germans and "Japs."
Bush says the enemy is "terrorism" or "terrorists."
That would be akin to Roosevelt saying the enemy was kamikazi aviators.
Wild jew what our politicians have done since ike tried to protect our soviengty is way beyond what we face today .
What we face today is in direct association because our our policies and not the things the left claims but the selling out of america itself.
Look at our dealings with china explain to me why we are dealing with a country thats comminist and human rights violater.
BUSINESS OVER ALL
safety all common sense we are the wortlds largest consumer think about this we do not need anyone else yet we have given away alloure manufacturing base because politicians recieve billons of pocket money wake up wild jew it is beyond islam as a matter of fact islam is doing this now cause they have weakoned us.
One more thing i have to say then go to bed.
They say being isolationist will weakon us i am sorry but globalization is whats weakoning us.
every coiuntry we deal with have protectionism except us.
MEANWHILE WITH MOVING OUR INDUSTRY TO OTHER NATIONS LIKE CHINA WE BUILD THERE STRENGTH MAKE NO MISTAKE CHINA IS NOT OUR FRIEND WILL NEVER GIVE UP COMMUNISM THEY ARE DEALINMG WITH US SO WE CAN BUILD THERE POWER .
We need to bring all our industry back and we need to maker very large tariffs on foriegn goods and stop completely dealing with china.
spcbat, with all due respect, you are mixing many issues. I tend to be focused. For me, the 9/11 atrocities were a seminal event in my life. Never has America been attacked on our main-land like we were on 9/11. All these issue you mention are important, even critical but none as critical as Islamic supremacism and jihad in my opinion. Bush is or was president at a defining moment in American and world history. He utterly failed in his most fundamental duty as a war time president. He utterly failed to define the enemy.
spcbat, with all due respect, you are mixing many issues. I tend to be focused. For me, the 9/11 atrocities were a seminal event in my life. Never has America been attacked on our main-land like we were on 9/11. All these issues you mention are important, even critical but none as critical as Islamic supremacism and jihad in my opinion. Bush is or was president at a defining moment in American and world history. He utterly failed in his most fundamental duty as a war time president. He utterly failed to define the enemy.
Robert, Hugh...
Here is the part I do not get.
Even if governments and the rest recognize the source, how will this make a difference?
Arguably theft has been around for millennia and prevention is still elusive. Why people steal is generally known.
And when a reported 10 persons can cause the destruction these jihadis did, how do you think this can be stopped?
Really.
As PC as you are (some might call this an oxymoron) in your calls for "empowering" the "silent majority" of moderate Muslims, I have yet to hear you explain how this will actually make a difference.
The world is populated by a majority who do not rape others. (At least the contrary is not reported.) And rape continues to happen.
Please explain how your moderate approach will work better than, say, giving the jihadis what they want and returning the infrastructure of Muslim countries to the 7th century so the Caliph can feel right at home. Though this might only buy time, that may be of some value.
Or, kindly explain in more detail how an appeal to the "moderate Muslims" will succeed and how you define "success."
Thank you.
spcbat and Wild Jew, I agree with both of you on recent Presidents selling us out. Up until mid september, I though that Bush was in a tough fight with Jimmy carter for the worst President ever, but in September Bush took it by a landslide with his total complete sellout by giving our childrens future away to his high roller banker buddies as so called bailouts.
There doesn't look like there is any change to this situation in sight. Looks like we will have to go flat ---d broke before there will be any change and then with Islam coming at us, it will probably be too late.
spcbat, with all due respect, you are mixing many issues. I tend to be focused. For me, the 9/11 atrocities were a seminal event in my life. Never has America been attacked on our main-land like we were on 9/11. All these issues you mention are important, even critical but none as critical as Islamic supremacism and jihad in my opinion. Bush is or was president at a defining moment in American and world history. He utterly failed in his most fundamental duty as a war time president. He utterly failed to define the enemy.
Please explain how your moderate approach will work better than, say, giving the jihadis what they want and returning the infrastructure of Muslim countries to the 7th century so the Caliph can feel right at home. Though this might only buy time, that may be of some value.
emet-veritas
Returning the Muslim countries to the 7th century is what I have advocated since 9/11. It could be done in just a few hours.
A few questionable presidents:
Woody Wilson, who took us into a war in which we had no stake, and then created a police state to suppress opposition.
FDR, who did everything he could to provoke Hitler and the Japanese, and who with-held top-level intelligence from the army and navy commanders at Pearl Harbor.
JFK, who had Diem assassinated, and greatly increased our involvement in Viet Nam, in an effort to prove how macho he was.
LBJ, who manufactured an "incident" with the North Vietnamese navy, and used it to get us into a major war; and who created the Great Society give-away programs that made the U.S. into a magnet for free-loading immigrants from the 3rd World.
Peanut Carter, who had no clue about communism, and whose only response to the oil crisis was to tax American oil companies.
Bush 1st, who failed to completely destroy the Saddam regime when he was within a week of doing so.
Slick Willie, who completely undid the Reagan military and naval build-up, and who aligned the U.S. with the Islamic terrorists in Bosnia.
Finally, does anyone seriously think that Algore or war-hero/opponent Kerry would have done a better job?
The somple fact is every recent president has been worse then the one before him and 911 is a direct result of the selling out of this nation i put them alltogether becaise they are all part of the single issue no one asks why what purpose what direction are they leading us.
Iunderstand that it is easier to look at pieces then the whole but i take those pieces and put them together to get the whole picture you do not want my conclusion these in officeare not well ones in control anyway stupid people there is a direction they take us in and thats the end of the u.s.
ebonystone, you wrote FDR did everything he could to provoke Hitler and the Japanese.
Do you think, like Patrick Buchanan, Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh and his America First Committee, Hitler's war on the European nations, his war on the Jews and other subhumans was none of America's concern?
But for FDR's provocations, America should have stayed aloof from the whole sordid affair?
Emet-veritas wrote:
Please explain how your moderate approach will work better than, say, giving the jihadis what they want and returning the infrastructure of Muslim countries to the 7th century so the Caliph can feel right at home. Though this might only buy time, that may be of some value.
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Emet-veritas, from what you write here, it seems as though you assume that all the jihadis want is to return their own countries to the 7th century.
Unfortunately, what they want is to bring "Dar-al-Harb" to that state as well. The obvious example is Taliban-era Afghanistan--they were not satisfied with making their own country into an Islamic hell. They gave haven to Osama bin Ladin to launch the 9/11 attacks on the US as well.
The Caliphate was always an engine of conquest, except for periods when they were either weak or ridden with internal division.
Gravenimage, you misinterpret.
I neither say nor assume "all the jihadis want is to return their own countries to the 7th century."
However, doing so can represent a win-win.
For "us" it may create a period "when they (are) either weak or ridden with internal division" and possibly preoccupied to a greater extent with things other than killing the rest of us.
For "them" it's the Caliph, should they choose to have one, right at home without a time-shift.
Still, this was not the point of my question to Robert, Hugh and the others.
Persons like them (e.g., Daniel Pipes) seem to repeat a mantra of dealing with the "moderates" in Islam.
I still cannot conceive of how this will make a real difference. It could be my lack of imagination.
Robert and Hugh are in large part teachers.
Perhaps they will take a few moments to help me, and others like me, understand.
Why are we unprepared? Because terror works. It paralyzes, as a snake about to strike sometimes paralyzes its victim simply by eying it threateningly. So journalists and almost everyone else who might trespass with critical words upon Islam hold back out of fear of violence, law suits, getting fired by bosses themselves afraid, etc. So the public mind is numbed and blinded to the threat. The poison is already working. So we have to start working to counteract it.
ebonystone, you wrote FDR did everything he could to provoke Hitler and the Japanese.
Do you think, like Patrick Buchanan, Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh and his America First Committee, Hitler's war on the European nations, his war on the Jews and other subhumans was none of America's concern?
But for FDR's provocations, America should have stayed aloof from the whole sordid affair?
Posted by: Wild Jew
Wild Jew, I was writing in response to your post about Bush-2 being a traitor; and was pointing out that many American presidents, including several left-wing icons, violated the laws and the Constitution. They were involving us in wars while denying they were doing so, and ran for election or re-election on the basis that they "kept us out of war".
In regard to WW2, it was no doubt a good thing that the U.S. was involved against Nazi Germany, without us, they likely would not have been crushed and destroyed.
As for Ford, Lindbergh, and the America Firsters, they were mistaken. But the topic was presidential treason, and they were private individuals.
The world beyond Islam is anti-Islam and thus, a perfect target for Jihadists -- according to Muhammad, Qur'an, Shari'a and Hadiths. Islam divides humanity on the basis of faith and does NOT consider humanity as one entity.
The ethos of liberalism, democracy, human-rights and freedoms of different types are alien to Islam. Muslims, both, the apologetic type and Jihadists, are Shahada-bound to destroy all these.
The UN and the rest of the non-Islamic world can do away with ALL blasphemy laws in their lands and jurisdiction ignoring ALL opposition thereto.
This is the only way to preserve the achievements of entire humanity so dear to us.
We would have nothing to prepare if we can declare Islam and its teachings LEGALLY opposed to our values .
How many more attacks do we need, how much more money are we going to spend to prepare against a possible attack?
Meanwhile, the future suicide bombers and killers are rejoicing. They have what they want . They keep us in fear and make us spend our money.
This is their way to prepare .... What is going to be our way?clean the place up and send back home all suspects.