Palestinian "freedom fighter"? Mujahid fi sabil Allah?
Why would he be locked up? Because, according to Muslims, “Jesus was indeed a Muslim and like the Muslims today [such as Osama bin Laden, Ayman Zawahiri, Mullah Omar, et. al.], called mankind to obey the law of God [sharia] as opposed to the law of man.” In other words, he would have been an Islamic terrorist, out to overthrow "man-made" governments and zealously establishing sharia courts around the world. Well, that certainly does not sound like the Jesus of the Gospels -- the one who said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's [physical world], and unto God what is God's [spiritual world]." Ah, but Muslims don't believe Jesus said that in the first place; such are man-made interpolations and machinations introduced to distort the Bible -- hence the need for the Koran, "Allah's uncorrupted word." So, no, Jesus would not have been a sharia-enforcing jihadist. Isa, on the other hand -- Islam's name for "Jesus" -- would.
"Muslim extremists claim Jesus Christ would have been locked up in prison," by Ben Goldby for the Sunday Mercury, December 27:
IF JESUS were alive today, he would be behind bars, Muslim extremists are claiming.A post on Islam4uk.com claims that the Son of God would be locked up under anti-terror laws, and would have been extradited to Palestine by the British government.[...]
The radical website is run by Anjem Choudary, aged 41, the former UK head of banned Islamist group al-Muhajiroun, and is popular with young Muslims in the Midlands.
Choudary, who once called for the Pope to be assassinated, was secretly filmed at an Alum Rock youth centre in February, preaching hatred against “unbelievers” and calling for violent Sharia law to be introduced on the streets of Birmingham.
At the bottom of the rant on the website, Choudary encourages readers to get in touch with him, and even leaves his mobile phone number.
The message, posted just days before Christmas, says: “We can envisage that if alive in the UK today, Jesus would undoubtedly have supported the struggle of the indigenous people in Afghanistan and Iraq, as opposed to the capitalist driven US-led alliance.
“As such, and being a Syrian or Palestinian refugee in the UK, he would also have been subjected to a loyalty and allegiance test to ensure that he put Britain and its Prime Minister Brown before God. He would also have been, no doubt, interned under Britain’s new terrorism laws.
“Or maybe he would have been kidnapped by MI5 or Special Branch to be flown on one of their notorious rendition flights, then held hostage and tortured like so many other Muslims in Guantanamo Bay.”
Radical preacher Choudary was a central figure in al-Muhajiroun, which was established by his Islamist mentor Sheikh Omar Bakri.
Earlier this year the Sunday Mercury exposed secret footage of a speech Bakri made calling for the beheading of British servicemen, which is thought to have inspired last year’s terror plot in Birmingham.
The website goes on to claim that Jesus was a Muslim and would have been branded a radical by the British government.
“Jesus was indeed a Muslim and like the Muslims today, called mankind to obey the law of God as opposed to the law of man,” it reads...
Whoa, here all this time, I thought that our Lord Jesus was a Jew! Ithought He said, "Love your enemies; do good to those who persecute and revile you." I thought He said, "Put away your sword; for he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword." Go figure.
I never knew that Jesus was a Socialist, or a Muslim, or an alleged terrorist. I thought he was the Tooth Fairy.
Yes sir, that "Muslim" Jesus sure would be a seditious figure; what, with urging His followers to pay infidel taxes, and forgiving adultresses caught in the very act, while implicitly rebuking their accusers--yessiree, real seditious. Just imagine what the state of the Umma would be, if the Believers bought into that stuff about "Do unto others . . ."?
The sick demented mentality of Mohammedans is prevalent every where. The thing is that because they cannot question the Koran they have to distort the rest of the world history and facts in order to try and confirm the accuracy of what the Koran says. The whole of Islamic world is based on delusion and psychosis. It is based on delusions of grandeur. Mohammedans try to show how enlightened Islam and the Koran are but it never works.
This is funny in a stupid kind of way. Real Moslem extremists are not "locked up under anti-terror laws" or "extradited to Palestine by the British government"
Whatever He was, Jesus of Nazareth was a good Jew. A Jew dedicated to the animating Spirit of the Law and the Prophets, not just the disembodied letter.
"UK: Muslims claim Jesus would have been locked up in prison"
If Jesus were alive today, and living in the Islamic world, he would be decapitated for blasphame -- or just for being a Jew.
That's some heavy dawa.
Here is the first of many mistaken, misdirected and deceptive statement that these enemies of God say. Jesus is alive today and is in control of all world events.
At the end this grossly deceptive statement needs to be corrected. Jesus is not a Muslim any more that allah is the Living and True God. Jesus is the only God, all others are figments of men's imaginations.
John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.
يوحنا 8:24
قلت لك انك سوف تموت في خطاياك ؛ إذا كنت لا أعتقد أنني كنت أحد أن يدعي أنه ، في الحقيقة سوف يموت في خطاياك.
Let's see what a better Brit, better writer, better man than Choudary had to say (to Muslims and Humanists alike):
"We may note in passing that [Christ] was never regarded as a mere moral teacher. He did not produce that effect on any of the people who actually met Him. He produced mainly three effects -- Hatred --- Terror --- Adoration. There was no trace of people expressing mild approval. " --- C.S. Lewis
Cordially,
Bev C
The attempt by Muslims to hijack the religious beliefs of others is offensive. Now if only we get get a fatwa published.
The law Christians are to follow ~ James 1:25: But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.
Islam knows nothing of liberty.
What about the indigenous people of Britain?
THANK YOU! Thank you for writing this piece and posting about a, yet again, screwball Islamic view on Christ. As a Christian, I cannot even begin to tell you how frustrating it is to me that Muslims INSIST that Jesus is/was in fact a Muslim. STOP TRYING TO HIJACK MY RELIGION, THANK YOU!!! I really wish more Christians and Jews, and I have said this before, would educate themselves on this, lock arms and push back against the teaching of this voilent cult, Islam. Um, didn't we send in the SWAT team once we realized the threat that David Koresh posed to not only his followers, but also the general public??? Oh, I guess that was only justified because he was a "Jesus Freak", already an american and comletely delusional about the original teachings of Christ - Oh wait, that KIND OF sounds like the (mis)interpretation that we read about amongst Islamic scholars and thought.
Also, One of my fave scriptures from the New testament that shows the Christian ability, unlike that of the Islamic, to progress as a people: "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's." as well as Paul's teaching in Romans to "Obey the laws of the land." (even though there ARE some schools of Christian thought that believe Paul meant that religious leaders are to be entrusted with one's obedience, as they are men of God, as opposed to the secular, evil government of one's nation, I for one cannot get behind that kind of thinking and believe that is a misinterpretation of God's word...). Also, a good reference for obedience within one's nation is Hebrews 13:17.
Jesus was not a Muslim he was Jewish. And like every good Jewish boy living in Israel today he would have been drafted into the IDF at 18, served his 3 years then 3 weeks every year until age 55. But being the very bright man that he was, he would have been drafted into the IAF, and become an ace fighter pilot.
Islam did not exist during Jesus's time. Instead, Islam was born 600 years after Jesus. But, Islam teaches that Jesus was a Prophet just like Mohammad. Jesus and Mohammad originate from the seed of Abraham. Isaac, the legitimate son of Abraham and Sarah went forth to establish the Jewish tribes. Ishmael, the illegitimate son of Abraham went forth to establish the Arabs and Islam.
The book teaches that God's word is infallible. Yet, Mohammad teachings directly discount the teachings of Jesus. The book teaches that the architect of confusion and hate is Satan. Any prophet of the one true God who claims to know God's mind is false. Any Prophet of God who claims God's prophets before Mohammad were wrong, is of Satan. Any one who teaches that the murder and rape of the seed of Abraham through his son's Isaac and Ismael is God's will, is guilty of harming Abraham; and therefore, he is of Satan for God would not break his promise to Abraham as it is written in the Book.
The Book warns, beware of wolves in sheep clothing, for they will lead you into the pit of hell. Beware of false prophets, and evil doers, who advocate war and destruction for they are Satan's henchman. Who then, was the architect of the prophet who taught you to kill the descendants of Abraham?
What total b.s. Guess they don't know that Christ died 640 years before The Baby Rapist even existed. How's that for re-writing history
If Jesus were alive (corporial) today, we could assume one of two things: (1) it is the Second Coming, or (2) this is the first incarnation. I will choose door number 2.
Jesus is here for the first time and Judaism is the dominant religion of the Levant as Christianity has yet to be developed. Without the developemnet of Christianity, there is no Islam as that religion developed as a response to Judaism's and Christianity's monotheistic philosophies that seemed to bring great progress to the practicioners of same.
If Jesus was walking the Earth today, yes, he might very well be locked away in prison as an extremist against the established order. And if not prison, then certainly a psych ward. If he were to be merely locked away rather than crucified, there would be no Christianity upon which a current Mohammad could hang his misinterpretations. So, Jesus would definitely not be locked away for being a Muslim. This would still be a world without Muslims, which by itself would make this a very nice place indeed.
What total b.s. Guess they don't know that Christ died 640 years before The Baby Rapist even existed. How's that for re-writing history
The only fit and proper response to this nonsense is to make an extra donation to Father Zakaria Botros' 'Life TV'. Such donations would be appropriate even from non-Christians, since we have it on good authority (Mr Spencer, Mr Ibrahim) that Mr Botros' head-on attempts at tackling Islam and deprogramming Muslims are having an effect.
Christians may also like to make donations to bodies such as the Bible Society, the Faith Comes By Hearing project: their work includes the patient and humble presentation of the REAL accounts of the Bible (both from TaNaKh and Christian scriptures) to people in Muslim lands.
In honour of Jesus the Jew, gifts to benefit the Jewish people - donations to such things as Magen David Adom - might also be proper. If you are British, send Mr Choudary a postcard telling him that this is what you have done, and why...
One could, in the letter to the editor of the Sunday Mercury, inform the world in general that this response had been made; again, to let Mr Choudary may discover that his mind-bogglingly offensive attempt at da'wa has had exactly the opposite effect.
A final observation. Some time ago, in a sermon, a priest I knew described how, while at university, he had sat down on the front lawn of the uni with a copy of the gospels, and had begun to read. As he did so, he said, he found himself so overwhelmed by the person he encountered there, that he exclaimed aloud, 'God how I love this man [Jesus]!'
Now - can one imagine any sane and decent human being having a response like that, upon reading Tabari, or Ibn Ishaq, and encountering the blood-drenched and grinning figure of Ubul Kassim alias Mohammad, more properly termed ha-Meshugga (the Madman) gloating over mass beheadings and kiddy-fiddling Aisha and raping Safiyya and Rayhana and Juwariyya even while they were still in shock from the destruction of their communities and the murder of their menfolk?
If Jesus were alive (corporial) today, we could assume one of two things: (1) it is the Second Coming, or (2) this is the first incarnation. I will choose door number 2.
Jesus is here for the first time and Judaism is the dominant religion of the Levant as Christianity has yet to be developed. Without the developemnet of Christianity, there is no Islam as that religion developed as a response to Judaism's and Christianity's monotheistic philosophies that seemed to bring great progress to the practicioners of same.
If Jesus was walking the Earth today, yes, he might very well be locked away in prison as an extremist against the established order. And if not Prison, then certainly a psych ward. If he were to be merely locked in prison rather than crucified, there would be no Christianity upon which a current Mohammad could hang his misinterpretations. So, Jesus would definitely not be locked away for being a Muslim. This would still be a world without Muslims, which by itself would make this a very nice place indeed.
If Jesus were alive (corporial) today, we could assume one of two things: (1) it is the Second Coming, or (2) this is the first incarnation. I will choose door number 2.
Jesus is here for the first time and Judaism is the dominant religion of the Levant as Christianity has yet to be developed. Without the developemnet of Christianity, there is no Islam as that religion developed as a response to Judaism's and Christianity's monotheistic philosophies that seemed to bring great progress to the practicioners of same.
If Jesus was walking the Earth today, yes, he might very well be locked away in prison as an extremist against the established order. And if not prison, then certainly a psych ward. If he were to be merely locked away rather than crucified, there would be no Christianity upon which a current Mohammad could hang his misinterpretations. So, Jesus would definitely not be locked away for being a Muslim. This would still be a world without Muslims, which by itself would make this a very nice place indeed.
If Jesus were alive (corporial) today, we could assume one of two things: (1) it is the Second Coming, or (2) this is the first incarnation. I will choose door number 2.
Jesus is here for the first time and Judaism is the dominant religion of the Levant as Christianity has yet to be developed. Without the developemnet of Christianity, there is no Islam as that religion developed as a response to Judaism's and Christianity's monotheistic philosophies that seemed to bring great progress to the practicioners of same.
If Jesus was walking the Earth today, yes, he might very well be locked away in prison as an extremist against the established order or just a cult leader. And if not prison, then certainly a psych ward. If he were to be merely locked away rather than crucified, there would be no Christianity upon which a current Mohammad could hang his misinterpretations. So, Jesus would definitely not be locked away for being a Muslim. This would still be a world without Muslims, which by itself would make this a very nice place indeed.
I'm sorry for the triple post. I'm having ATT DSL line problems.
Frank,
Thank you for posting that. I read an article, which I had posted here a few months back, that argues the case that the "prophecies" of Muhammad go beyond being false teachings, but instead, direct words from Satan. As I am sure you have concluded on your own, just from the supposed physicaly violent encounter Muhammd had with the Angel Gabriel (who he was later convinced by his first wife Khadija was actually the visiting figure by some loopy practice of sitting in her lap), the entire series of teachings within Islam should be suspect of NOT being Holy, or sent down from the God of Israel.
I'm sorry for the triple post. I'm having ATT DSL line problems.
At this juncture, for the benefit of new visitors to this forum, I will mention Rev Dr Mark Durie's excellent little book, 'Revelation? Do We Worship the Same God? Jesus, Holy Spirit, God in Christianity and Islam'.
Heartily commended by Bat Yeor and Andrew Bostom (who are Jewish), it sets out, accurately, BRIEFLY, and clearly, all the key differences between the Biblical and the Muslim theology, anthropology and cosmology. This includes, of course, an account of the glaring difference between Jesus as known to the Christians, and the 'Isa' figure of the Muslims.
Durie also exposes the fact that whereas there is historical, documentary and archaeological evidence for much in the Gospel accounts, and for the six hundred years of mainstream Christian belief and practice prior to the rise of Islam, there is nothing comparable, to support the Islamic account. (See chapter 4, tellingly entitled 'Plundering History').
You do not have to be a Christian, to find this book useful for confronting certain types of Muslim da'wa. Anyone who has read it will not surprised by the nonsense proclaimed by the likes of Anjem Choudary.
At only $15 Australian, it's a snip.
If you have Spencer's 'The Myth of Islamic Tolerance' you can re-read the essay by Durie - '"Isa, the Muslim Jesus' - which appears in that volume, and covers all the essential points.
French readers, or readers of French, may enjoy 'Jacques Ellul: Islam et Judeo-Christianisme', a posthumous publication of Jacques Ellul's essay 'Les trois piliers du conformisme' 'the three pillars of conformity', in conjunction with his remarks on dhimmitude which were written as a preface to Bat Yeor's 'The Dhimmi'. An introductory essay on Islam, and on Ellul, by Alain Besancon, is included in the booklet as an extra treat.
Ellul's 'Les trois piliers du conformisme' ruthlessly demolishes the 'monotheism/ Abrahamic faiths/ religions of the book' arguments that are usually used as the basis for claims that there is common ground between Christians and Muslims.
Along the way he, too, like Durie, discusses the radical difference - indeed, the flat contradiction - between the Muslim 'Isa' and the Jesus of the Gospels.
If they read the book (the Bible) they would have found that he was arrested , falsely accused, put on a show trial, beaten and then executed. But they deny that as well it just 'appeared' to happen.
Surah 4 v157 Yusuf Ali
“That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah’ – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not-“
Rewriting history is nothing new for Islam! If you can get away with it for 1400 years why stop now. The greatest handcrafted fairy tale today is the Palestinian people and culture.
Honest question: Why from 1948 to 1967 did Egypt (who controlled Gaza) and Jordan (who controlled the West Bank) not create the state of Palestine when they had the opportunity?
For a people whose religion means submission, there's not a trace of humility to be found among the Muslims. Even the most religious Christian you meet doesn't liken himself to Jesus.
And if Mohammad were alive today he would be a registered sex affender and a member of the U.S. Senate.
How can anyone that supposedly said "turn the other cheek" be a muslim?
Besides, I've never heard or read anything that implied that Jesus was into molesting pre-pubescent girls, boys and livestock (young and old); decapitating Jews, extracting jizyah from dhimmis, urging his followers use dynamite as suppository in the name of allah (the imaginary), giving money to John Esposito for propaganda, mass-murdering Hindus and Buddhists, etc.
Choudary's moronic remarks only show that he and his fellow slaves of allah must keep those peas that they refer to as their brains in a parallel dimension.
Choudary's comments would make sense, that is, if Islam wasn't a false ideology, as it obviously is, and Muhammad wasn't a false prophet, as he obviously was.
The contrast between Christ and Muhammad is so overwhelming, that both could not possibly be representative of a prophet of the same god. And if by some impossible odd chance Muhammad was indeed a legitimate prophet and Allah the true deity, I would have no other choice but to embrace eternal damnation.
Okay, Jesus is alive right now having been raised from the dead; well then, he ain't in prison, is he?
So the point of all this ideal discussion is ... what?
If there is one thing we can be absolutely sure of, Jesus was not a Circassian.
He was from the Mideast and could have been a muslim. Our history of that time period is not perfect. People like him and of almost the same blood-lines still live in Jeruselam and thereabout.
We are all hung up about christ because there has been no single circassian prophet been born in the history of the Western world.
I think that we in the West would do anything to change this situation, but this is up to the almighty.
Prophets do indeed bring about change that is profound ; be that Moses, Jesus or Mohumed; and it is possible IMHO that Jesus could be jailed for radical thought were he alive today.
I think we need to praise the almighty for all prophets; of all religions.
Allalulah!
If there is one thing we can be absolutely sure of, Jesus was not a Circassian.
He was from the Mideast and could have been a muslim. Our history of that time period is not perfect. People like him and of almost the same blood-lines still live in Jeruselam and thereabout.
We are all hung up about christ because there has been no single circassian prophet been born in the history of the Western world.
I think that we in the West would do anything to change this situation, but this is up to the almighty.
Prophets do indeed bring about change that is profound ; be that Moses, Jesus or Mohumed; and it is possible IMHO that Jesus could be jailed for radical thought were he alive today.
I think we need to praise the almighty for all prophets; of all religions.
Allalulah!
"The sick demented mentality of Mohammedans is prevalent every where. The thing is that because they cannot question the Koran they have to distort the rest of the world history and facts in order to try and confirm the accuracy of what the Koran says. The whole of Islamic world is based on delusion and psychosis. It is based on delusions of grandeur. Mohammedans try to show how enlightened Islam and the Koran are but it never works."
Posted by: savsiv at December 29, 2008 1:56 PM
I hate Mohammedans and I hate Islam. They deserve to be hated, just like Nazis and Naziism. Both mass-murdering political ideologies.
Jesus, the Son of God, a Mohammedan? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Etc into Infinity -
"He was from the Mideast and could have been a muslim." --keeping low
Uh, no. There were no Muzlims until the early 7th century AD. NO. WAY. DON'T INSULT JESUS!
Thank You. No wonder you're "keeping low."
P.S. Mo wasn't a "prophet." He never prophesied anything. He was a Warlord flim-flam man with a big beheading sword.
"keeping low" with his "Allalulah" is a Mohammedan.
There is no "allah," keeping low. You've been deceived by a 7th century Con Man.
"We are all hung up about Christ..." --the Mohammedan above
Because He is the Son of God, that's why. You Mohammedan Barbarian who believes in a false prophet and a pagan moon deity from Arabian myth.
I pity you.
Mohammedans are to be the most pitied on judgment day as they will be aghast to find out they wasted their lives on a madman's lies. The loudest weeping and gnashing will come from their corner of HELL.
And now the ROPer's are trying to HIJACK Jesus. Is nothing SACRED to them.....?
Oh wait, silly question.
"Mohammedans are to be the most pitied on Judgment Day as they will be aghast to find out they wasted their lives on a Madman's lies." --posted above
So right. Can you imagine the shock on the male Mohammedans' faces when they learn there's no 72 virgins? LOL!
If the Muslim extremists are not behind bars, why would Jesus be? No-one is "behind bars" for radical thought, that is, only "thought", in any but (considering apostasy laws) Muslim countries. If anyone put Jesus in jail it would be these people, because if He were alive today Jesus would be very angry and outspoken about the cult of Mohammed. He might even turn over a table in His anger.
So it is safe to bet that if Jesus repeated his words and actions in a Muslim country today, He would be punished, and as the old punishment of crucifixion has been reintroduced in at least one Muslim country, I would not hold out much hope for Him.
If, however, Jesus spoke up in England for the increasingly oppressed indigenous people, the English, He would be silenced by the PC brigade, including the government, as caring about the fate of the indigenous English would classify Jesus as "racist". But He would not be put in jail, not at this stage.
Of course, by saying these outrageous things, the Muslim clerics are just trying to goad us, aren't they? They are spoiling for a war, but will accept just humiliating us if we don't take the bait.
Who is a muslim? Jesus? Watch this...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iyJ5YDj1A-w
This would mean that not all muslims are Mohammadans, but all Mohammadans are Muslims...
Islam kidnapped Jesus, renamed him Isa, and distorted his Beatitudes into a bad attitude.
Liars, fools, madmen.
The point of all this Chourdary nonsense is that muslims can say anything and if anyone says anything against islam then all hell breaks loose. There's just no teaching dhimmis without the sword...
I'm curious about something; among those of you who are Christians -- do you REALLY believe that Jesus is literally alive today -- or when you say that that Jesus is risen -- do you mean it in a symbolic kind of way?
I'm not trying to trap you nor will I engage you in any disputation.
In fact, I may not respond -- merely read.
I personally ask out of respect and a sincere desire to know exactly what YOU believe to be "fact."
(If someone else argues -- that is between you and them, not me)
I simply want to know -- fair enough?
JW put up the picture, so naturally it follows that the delicate subject of Jesus will come up.
Jesus has always been alive, so it is odd to think of him as not having been.
I would hope that at the end of the day, Jesus would find islams undertanding of the "Word" to be incorrect.
Thank you flowerknife.
From everything that I have read; from everything that I have studied so far upon the subjects of islam and Christianity -- I believe that I can say with a measure of confidence that islam is exactly what Jesus warned against.
"I'm curious about something; among those of you who are Christians -- do you REALLY believe that Jesus is literally alive today..." --witness
Oh yes! He is the Living God. Any human can have a personal relationship with Jesus. You can talk to Him just as you would a friend - that's His job, to listen and to help. You will literally hear His voice in your mind if you develop a personal relationship. He's there, believe me. All you have to do is call out.
Recognizing Jesus's voice is called Discernment, Spiritual Discernment. The term comes from St. Ignatius of Loyola. You might like to read a book called "How Do We Know When It's God?" by Dan Wakefield (1999).
"God" is Jesus in the above, btw, don't even entertain that there's non-existent moon deity as God.
I love this passage on page 25:
"I seriously, sincerely, ask God to speak to me, to give me some message.
He does. Not like a voice from outside, but an inner message that comes almost immediately, leaving me flabbergasted - and laughing, crying with delight and joy."
"inner message" --that's it. Yes, He lives.
(You will never hear any Mohammedan reporting as above because "allah" doesn't exist).
Witness:
It's a fair question.
I believe that Jesus is literally alive, not symbolically alive. He Himself has said that He is life; He being the source and Creator of all life. He has always been alive and always will be.
Throughout history there have been many men who would be god, (Pharaohs, Caesars, etc.) but only one God who would be man. That's why we make such a big deal about Christmas, the birth of the eternal God in human form, living among us for 33 years. He literally died by crucifixion and literally rose from death.
Yes, I believe it to be a fact that Jesus is alive, more alive than I am. Hope this is helpful.
Joy O.
As far as l know Jesus overthrew satan in the desert, and warned mankind that false prophets would follow him, l think he knew about mo's islam coming around. Jesus also first talked about separation of church and state in so many words, what belongs to Rome belongs to Rome, and what heavenly religiously belongs to Jesus and our God, in so many words. Jesus cherised children and women, something that muslims throughout history to mohuammad have never believed in or lived. Muslims can try to rewrite history of Jesus but never will achieve it, they can go to hell!
"Jesus was a Muslim and would have been branded a radical by the British government."
Last I checked, the British Government was kissing muslim a$$ like there was no tomorrow.
Witness, of course Christians believe that Jesus is alive today and has been from the day of the Resurrection....celebrated on Easter, or Resurrection, Sunday.
The gospels, the "good news" were written by eyewitnesses Matthew and John and by Mark, an associate of Peter (an eyewitness) and Luke a physician who stated that he carefully investigated the events of Jesus' life wrote the gospel so that a certain man Theophilus would know the certainty of things being taught about Jesus (Luke 1:1-4) and tradition says his research included information from Jesus' mother, Mary. The Book of the Acts of the Apostles, commonly referred to as Acts, was also written by Luke and gives an account of Jesus after the resurrection and how the disciples were changed due to Jesus being resurrected and his injunction to them to take the good news into all the world.
According to Paul (Saul who was converted on the road to Damascus when he encountered the living Jesus, Acts 9:1-9, after His ascension to heaven), Jesus appeared to more than 500 people, I Corinthians 15:3-8.
If you would like to read those for yourself and you don't have a Bible, you can go to www.crosswalk.com.
Aside from John, tradition tells us that the 10 disciples and Paul were martyred for their faith which they preached to the known world.
I hope this answers your questions.
keeping low
Jesus/Yeshua was - and is - JEWISH. Not Arab and not Muslim.
At the time of the birth of Yeshua (known to English-speaking Christians as 'Jesus'), whose name is from the Hebrew word meaning 'Salvation' and is indeed identical with the name of the Old Testament character of Joshua, there. were. no. Muslims.
In the land of Israel, not then called Palestine (it was only given that name after Jesus' time, by the ROMANS, in AD 135, to spite the Jews) there were lots and lots of Jews, some Samaritans, some pagan Greco-Roman colonists and soldiers, and - around the edges - a few pagan nomadic Arab raiders.
There was no Quran, no Sira, no Hadith. 'allah' was one of many pagan idols worshipped by the Arabs, who were pagans.
Jesus/ Yeshua was born not under a palm tree in the desert, as the ridiculous Quran claims, but in Bethlehem in Judea; born to a Jewish woman, Mary/ Miriam, a woman of the tribe of Judah. That makes him ethnically Hebrew and Jewish - NOT ARAB. Those who do not wish to accept the Christian account of His conception - that the ruach adonai so overshadowed Mary that she bore one who was the living Word of the Living G-d YHWH - are free to believe what they like about his father, but as the son of a Jewish woman, he's a Jew. Traditional Jews may curse him, but they curse him as a renegade Jew, not as an Arab or anything else.
According to the Christian scriptures, he was circumcised on the eighth day; on the fortieth day after his birth his mother and Joseph made the usual dedicatory offering in the Temple, as required in the books of the Hebrew Law; his family observed the Jewish feast of Pesach (Passover), and so did he; he regularly worshipped in the synagogue at Nazareth on the Sabbath, and like other Jewish boys of his day, he learnt to read the TaNaKh, for Luke records him reading aloud from the scroll of the Prophet Isaiah - in words identical with those found in Isaiah as preserved by both Jews and Christians, today. There is a reference to a woman reaching out and touching the 'fringe' of his garment - which suggests that he wore the tzitzit.
As he died on the Cross, outside the walls of Jerusalem, he twice cried out words from the Psalms - a line from Psalm 31 and from Psalm 22 - and those words, written down by the Gospel writers within some 30 to 50 years of the events, can be found unchanged in the text of Psalm 31 and Psalm 22 as preserved by Jewish and by Christian scribes through all the succeeding centuries.
For me - a Gentile Christian, of mixed Irish-Scots-German-Danish-English ancestry - the face of the one whom I worship as Son of God, as Immanuel, 'g-d with us', is...the face of a Jew. It is into the scarred hands of a Jewish carpenter, teacher and healer that I have committed my life and my death and my hope of everlasting life.
And guess what? - it doesn't bother me in the least that he wasn't 'circassian' (did you mean 'Caucasian'?).
I will add one more remark: that any Christian who knows the Gospels and then spends time getting to know some Jewish people, as I have had the privilege of doing, on this forum, very quickly comes to understand just how thoroughly Jewish, in all kinds of ways, is the Jesus depicted in the Gospels! The zip and sizzle, the steadfast affirmation of life, the gutsiness and chutzpah (just look at his interview with Pilate, really look at it) and the black down-to-earth sense of humour are all there.
Dear God I love that Man; and I have to say, too, God I love these people (Israel, the Jews)!
Jesus couldn't possibly have been a Muslim bacause the first Muslim appeared on the world stage 600 years after Jesus. Mohammad was the first Muslim and inventor of Islam.
It's interesting that Muslims argue that the reason Mohammad, Islam and Allah are not mentioned in Jewish and Christian scripture is because the Jews and Christians deliberately purged these names from their holy books so as to dupe people into not knowing the truth.
The question that any thinking would have to ask is were Jewish and Christian Religious leaders the only persons capable of reading and writing or capable of observing and recording events that occured in the world around them.
There were Greeks and Romans, and other people around back then -- and before that time -- that were perferctly capable of leaving us some record of the existence of a religion called "Islam." How many inscriptions on pottery or the walls of homes and public building, have been unearthed by archaeologists that make any mention of Mohammad and his religion?
One has to wonder if Muslims ever ask themselves obvious questions like these, and how the Imams would answer if asked.
Perhaps some Muslim out there would like to take a stab at answering these questions here, online. I would be interested in their explanation.
From above: " How many inscriptions on pottery or the walls of homes and public building, have been unearthed by archaeologists that make any mention of Mohammad and his religion?
I posted a link above that explains that the word 'muslim' actually means someone who believes in one God. According to that explanation, the word was used in pre-Islamic times, as was the name Allah. Mohammad just appropriated these names for his own use...This is a good reason to call Islamic muslims, Mohammadans.
So according to the explanation of the word muslim, Jesus was a muslim, but he was not a Mohammadan...
As far as archaeology, there have been many artifacts unearthed with the crescent moon symbol on them. There was a lot of moon worshipping going on in the old days...Islam just kept many of the symbols and traditions...Allah is just the old moon god Sin, or sometimes Suen, still alive in the group conscience of Mohammadans...
Just another attempt at taking credit for something they had nothing to do with, except this is much more serious than their self-credit at "scientific advances". Nah, much too pure and truly holy for them to even come near.
a poster asked;"I'm curious about something; among those of you who are Christians -- do you REALLY believe that Jesus is literally alive today -- or when you say that Jesus is risen -- do you mean it in a symbolic kind of way?"
When I say that Jesus is risen, I mean it absolutely, as far as being alive, he is more alive than we can truly understand, for His flesh is different, the Bible talks of Him appearing in the midst of the believers, and in another place walking and talking with some followers and vanishing when they recognized Him.
Some were terribly frightened by these manifestations and thought that Jesus was a ghost, yet Jesus had them handle Himself and ate in their presence. Thomas famously who doubted, was invited to even feel the wounds that were inflicted on Jesus.
I believe that Jesus is MORE alive than most people.
'I believe that Jesus is MORE alive than most people.'
Amen to that.
If Jesus were a muslim, I wouldn't be a Christian/muslim, muslim/Christia...whatever.
Thank God he wasn't, and I am ... a Christian.
Yep. they're starting to confuse me. Better read more JihadWatch. And Bible. Not in that order.
Who are they? to tell me what Jesus was, is, and isn't. They don't know their own god, let alone mine.
'There were no Muzlims until the early 7th century AD.' darcy
MO started Mohammadism to stem the tide of Christianity in the Arab penninsula; which it surely would have overswept.
It's not documented, but it's the truth.
That would make him in reality - anti-Christ. Which he is, a false prophet, who must reinvent history to fit his doctrine. Why?
The Jews and Christians amidst differences were inter-linked, MO said so himself, or whomever wrote the vile Koran; they had to defeat it by mobilizing an army of fighting slaves bent on gain; who weren't afraid to die, like the Jews and Christians, especially in those times held to an afterlife; that's the short and bitter of it.
So I agree with you. He is a usurper of peoples, lands, and heritage. He will lose, already has - on what pain, only time will tell.
Glad you liked the beast thingy on the other thread. That dude looked like the part, yeow.
'There was no Quran, no Sira, no Hadith. 'allah' was one of many pagan idols worshipped by the Arabs, who were pagans.' dda
Good points in your above post, dda, enjoyed it.
The thing I was talking about above, was that the pagans were subject to conversion by monotheists, because it was stronger medicine (sorry any pagans, no offense). Judaism was more cultural than evangelical in nature; while Christianity was more evangelical than cultural at that time, still is. But they were both thoroughly inter-mixed.
That is why although the Muslim records speak of MO fighting Judaism and pagans, Christianity was more of a threat due to its inherent nature.
What I said above bears in the face that Mohammadism (another strong monotheistic force, but definitely a lesser light) practically took the pagan Golden Horde before the Rus got going - it didn't help that they were rivals; another tide stemming power play perhaps, I don't know.
I do know that Christianity was MO's main threat, which is why he tried to incorporate Judaism into his fold, but was soundly rejected - Being a false light, at best a reflection, like his moon. The bitter man went from there. With the sword.
While MO and his successors consolidated (nice word, huh) the south, Christianity and Judaism spread like wildfire in the north, east, and west. Judaism through mostly dispersion and fortification of already established roots, Christianity through dispersion but mostly by conversion of pagan clans beyond Rome.
Which brings up the possible the King of the North, King of the South scenario prophesied in the Hebrew and Christian book of Daniel. These would be characterized by wars, strife, and intrigue. Many will disagree who believe these things were before Christ, but I believe they characterize events, through the Maccabees, and into the modern era, which incorporate early Islam and Christendom. Only speculation, but interesting if so.
The result is death to Joos, death to crusaders, all that rot. Subjective, yes. Not gospel.
I'm sure many will disagree, but I think big picture, perhaps, from a thoroughly Christian perspective. As stated before, no offense.
As most know, Jesus is NOT a Muslim prophet. They always were, and will be, at enmity. That's one thing I know for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0WIJw8JVeU&feature=channel_page
Thank you to all who shared their beliefs in answer to my inquiry; I've read each post at least twice.
All of you will have my deepest respect even if we disagree about this or that on some future topic or other.
Peace.
Just to correct the Muslims, Jesus was born and raised JEWISH.
DDA
Thankyou for your beautifully written post. I don't possess your talent for writing, but concur with all that you have said!
Plus this would suprise the Muslims, that the Bible is the number 1 best selling book for all time.
This article is good... Yet, it doesn't tell how the Koran (Quoran) has explicitly called for killing of infidels (although suggested in part). It doesn't tell the facts about paedophilia as allowed by the Quoran on certain Muslim Holy Days which Christianity condemns and the News Media has intentionally not reported... So if Jesus Christ were to be locked up and treated with the actions as said, I guess the rest of us who are Orthodox Christians would be killed too?
If Jesus were around today, according to Islamic scripture in ahadith, he's be smashing crosses and making Islam the one true religion along with his Mahdi associate, then fighting the dajjal. Or that's what I recall.
This is a good read:
Isa, the Muslim Jesus
(Not to be confused with the real Jewish-Christian Jesus.)
Oh this is rich! They are so good at showing their ignorance.
IF Jesus were alive today, as we know him, he would be locked up BUT not for the reasons they think. The muslims would go after him, lock him up, force him to convert and just as he thwarted Satan, he would thwart them, and they would kill him! Apparantly, they just don't get it. But then again, neither do the rest of us.
I am not a Christian but I fear for them as I do all the other religions of the world that Islam is going after. As a Pagan, I believe in Jesus. He was a righteous man with a righteous message but as in organized religion, that message was twisted to further the selfish means of MAN. Islam is no different but their religion is the only one that that advocates rape, pillage and burning and murder of all non-believers. I wonder how far Christianity would have come if that had been the underlying message.
Last night I almost got into an argument with my roommate regarding muslims when he uttered the words, "true muslims...."... I cut him off. What the hell is a true muslim? Those that protest that their religion is a religion of peace? Those that keep their mouths shut while a bunch of "few koran hi-jacking extremists" run amok killing everyone in their path, including their own? I don't want to hear it, I said! I could tell ya the rest but ooh, somebody would probably turn me into the Islamophobe Police!!
Happy New Year folks, it better start getting better because it can only get worse at the rate everybody is burying their heads in the sand!
Hey my JWer's!
Let's not forget another telling fact that Jesus is NOT muslim. Women were encouraged to be an active part of his ministry. They were the women's outreach of their time. There was discourse between the women and men. They served Jesus and his apostles. His female followers were (and still are in this day) widows, mothers, little girls, former prostitutes, all born again by his grace and loved by Jesus WITHOUT condition!
None of that would EVER have happened with a muslim Jesus! None of it! Can you just imagine a muslim Jesus taking some 80 wives during his lifetime and forcing a 9 year old to have sex because it was his "allah" given right? Let alone beat and genitally mutilate her. Ugh. Even ole mo didn't have the audacity to re-write that part of Jesus' mission.
Choudary: I say "GOOD DAY!" You have no part of Jesus' life or ministry correct. Ergo, your quran is a complete and utter blasphemy and falsehood. Stick to defense of ole mo's pedophilia and sexual conquests of dhimmis and infidels. At least that way you can keep fast to your blindness.
Hey dumbledorsarmy,
Thank you for that wonderful testimony of Jesus.
I just signed in to this blog. Want to say that I have not had this much laughs in a long time-working too much. Thank you everyone for defending "The Lover of my soul, the Author and Perfecter of my Faith, the Lifter up of my head, not to mention that I am so thankful He took on hell for me." I sure love that "Jew" like I never loved anyone, not even myself. I am eagerly waiting to see Him in His Glorious, Marvelous, God-likeness. Muslims will be in hell along with that pervert, rapist, gigolo Mohammad begging for a drop of H20 if they don't wise-up.