Because of a little boy who is calling for his mama
For background, see here: "Rescued boy Moshe Holtzberg wakes up to his second birthday an orphan," by Sheera Frenkel and Catherine Philp in the Times, November 29 (thanks to Anne Crockett).
How is the picture of this poor orphaned and weeping boy different from the Pallywood pictures of buildings reduced to rubble by Israeli rockets, in which there is invariably a child's doll, miraculously untouched by the dust all around it, sticking conspicuously out of the wreckage?
For one thing, this is real, that is staged.
For another, "Palestinian" jihadists, as well as those of Hizballah, have purposely staged jihad attacks against Israel from civilian areas, in order to draw a response that would harm civilians and thus be useful for propaganda purposes. By contrast, Israeli and American forces go to immense lengths to avoid harming civilians, while these jihadists have frequently celebrated the murder of civilians.
The jihadists who are celebrating the murders of this little boys' parents are evil. And evil must be resisted. Evil must be defeated.
Heartrending!
I saw the video of this last night on local broadcast news.
My heart contracted in rage and sorrow.
Anyone who calls these monsters "my people" is no decent person.
Text does not convey the intensity of my sentiments.
Yes, EVIL!
--Hear the scoffing, mutterings, and sneers at the idea that "Evil must be defeated."?
Why do we quake and make ourselves so weak and prostrate in the presence of so great an evil? Why such cowardice? Why are we more afraid of killing the parents and children of the mujahedin, and we ask, in angst what is to be done about the murders of Moshe's mama and papa? Why the need to defame the dead with terms like missionary and ULTRA Orthodox? When may we defend ourselves at last?
The evil fruit produced by Islam -- it is rotten to the core -- beginning but not ending with Muhammad.
--After all, there is evil everywhere; there is evil among us, evil within us--who has the right to point fingers?--
When I read the Qur'an, I was struck by how it was so anti-semitic. "Mein Kampf" is a nursery rhyme in comparison. When will the world admit that Islam is more of an evil ideology than it is a religion?
Let's all keep this child in our thoughts and prayers.
It is a very sad ocassion in Mumbai and my heart goes out to the victims of these attacks.
It is a shame that the people involved may well turn out to be Muslims, from either India or Pakistan, or other areas...it is hard to sort through all the agenda driven reports to find the truth...and confessions under Indian interrogation have been proved untrustworthy before.
But that brings us to this:
Robert Spencer wrote "For one thing, this is real, that is staged."
This comment and this person's opinions are just as bad.
Sure, all those buildings reduced to rubble are just staged, right Robert?
Yeah, it's all just pretend...the whole Israeli Occupation, the whole genocidal pogrom against the Indigenous peoples there...the whole international intrigue between Israel and Egypt and other forces to box them in and make a little ghetto out of it...yeah, all of it is just one big production...a "staged" event...right, Robert?
And the 5,000+ indigenous civilians murdered by Israel?
Those too Robert, those are staged?
Yes, evil in all its forms must be resisted and fought against.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Adullah Mikail - They were Muslims. Only jihadis would go out of their way to kill Jews. Your tasteless remarks only reinforce the true face of Islam.
AM=ignore list
Abdullard is blaming the "zionists" again. Pathetic...
well said Robert
The jihadists who are celebrating the murders of this little boys' parents are evil. And evil must be resisted. Evil must be defeated.
........................
Thank you, thank you, Robert, for calling this what it is--not a "sophisticated attack", or "well-coordinated", or "impressive"--but *evil*.
John C. wrote:
--Hear the scoffing, mutterings, and sneers at the idea that "Evil must be defeated."?
........................
Absolutely, John C. When did it become "sophisticated" or "realistic" to roll over in the face of such viciousness? When George Bush referred to "evildoers", it was taken as clear proof that he was simplistic, even simple-minded. I say, have the courage to call it what it is.
My hearts breaks for this little boy, who was orphaned in the name of an evil ideology. If a staff member had not been able to rescue him, I am sure that this little boy would have been murdered, also--before he even saw his second birthday.
Evil cannot be resisted or defeated before it has been recognized. Recognizing it makes us responsible for stamping it out, so we live by the PC code that nothing is evil. It's only different. (The Palestinians have a different code for warfare because circumstances have driven them to it.)
See no evil, hear no evil.
It frees us of all responsibility for our own actions. Very convenient.
You write:
"The jihadists who are celebrating the murders of this little boys' parents are evil. And evil must be resisted. Evil must be defeated."
I agree, but I had also modified and added as follows:
"The jihadists who are celebrating the murders of this little boys' parents have an evil illness: islam. And evil must be resisted. Evil must be defeated. Such terrorists must be cured from their illness! All believing Muslims must be cured (saved, guarished, ...) from islam."
The Muhammad al-Durrah incident was a deliberately staged hoax. Paliwood is a thriving propaganda industry.
To call Islam an illness lets Muslims see themselves as victims. No way.
Islam is not an illness. It's an ideology. Those who subscribe to its tenets and then act upon them in violent ways must answer for their actions. It may be a cult but it's not a disease.
Amen, Robert.
As for Abdullah, his last ounce of cred disappeared when he bought into the conspiracy nonsense that the perps in Mumbai were Hindus.
Reminds one of all the 9-11 and 7-7 conspiracy theories and the blind fools who imbibe them lock, stock and barrel.
Another prescient example was the murder, one by one over a period of years, of anti-Syrian politicians and journalists in Lebanon. The Islamo-Leftist conspiracy crowd hatched this beautiful one: It was a CIA-Mossad operation to defame Syria.
I thought to myself, 'it makes perfect sense (dripping sarcasm), depleting Lebanon of all your closest allies, one by one, in order to embarrass your enemy.'
Abdullah,
I was one who was opposed to your banning when others were advocating such. I wrote that while your ideas were repugnant, you expressed them without expletives and with at least a hint of moderation.
The other day, when you spewed your 'Hindu conspiracy' bullshit, you crossed the line. I see today you're backtracking...but too little, too late.
I hope Robert Spencer bans you and any other who are proponents of these nonsensical conspiracy theories. What a grotesque affront to the victims of these tragedies. You ought to be ashamed.
And PS - What Robert said was "fake" was the planted doll to invoke outrage and sympathy.
Robert Spencer was interviewed this morning on WOCA, 1370 AM. The podcast is available at:
http://www.amocalalive.libsyn.com/
The subject of multiculturalism came up during the interview. Jerusalem Post editor Caroline Glick has an excellent column in todays's Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1227702394020&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
"The jihadist-multicultural alliance"
Glick wrote in part:
"....IN THE case of the Mumbai massacres, the jihadists' multicultural defenders began justifying their actions while they were still in the midst of their torture and murder spree. In Newsweek, Fareed Zakaria hinted that Indian Hindus had it coming.
"One of the untold stories of India," he explained, "is that the Muslim population has not shared in the boom the country has enjoyed over the last 10 years. There is still a lot of institutional discrimination, and many remain persecuted....."
To Abdullah Mikail,
Sure, Israël and the USA are not perfect. No country is perfect.
However, are they as evil as Quran? Certainly not! No country is as evil as Quran!
Is there anything more evil as the life of Mohammed?
Murders, pedophily, slaughter, genocide, ... Mohammad's life!
Some horrible persons are as evil as Mohammed, but I do not find anybody that could be considered as more evil then him.
As to me, pretending that Mohammed could be a "prophet of God" is just blasphemy!!!
If you are against blasphemy, stop pretending that such a murderer pedophile could be a prophet of God.
How could God order such evil things as Mohammed did? Impossible!
So, stop insulting God: leave the Mohammed's lies: islam.
Islam's claim to fame: Terrorism
Please help and donate. My heart goes out to Moshe. We at Jihadwatch know what muslims are like. We will never surrender.
Newsclip that I just noticed....
[McCain opposes military action against Pak
Press Trust of India
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:58 PM (New Delhi) ]
Wild Jew - thanks for the link!
To PMK:
Yes I say that islam is an illness or a disease: it is an ideological and spiritual disease!
I consider several ideologies as illness! The sick people must be cured.
Just think about "I am a Legend" with Will Smith. All the world population is violent because there is a kind of genetical illness. In the real world, many people are violent because of some ideological diseases (among others, islam).
"Hear the scoffing, mutterings, and sneers at the idea that "Evil must be defeated."
That very scoffing, muttering and sneering is also evil.
Celebrate Ramadan with Michael MacKay aka "Abdullah Mikail" and his wife Nia. You can even get to hear Mikey demonstrate his piety by praying in Arabic, the language of God:
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/?z=y&nvid=281791
mohamedans worship an old pagan deity ; allah the moon god was worshipped in Mecca before muhammed the pedophile started his career as a false prophet
tanstaafl, you are welcome. Caroline Glick's piece is worth reading.
Abdullah Mikail
You should tell your Jihadi brothers not to use civilian areas to attack and kill Israelis. The Israelis do their best to avoid civilians from being hit, but in war it does happen. They don't target civilians. They don't say, look it is a Muslim school...lets kill some kids.
Like your Muslim brothers did at Beslan..or in Sudan...
Big Difference..
Both with the report from The times and this one I link to below, including the comments, there is not one mention of muslim , jihad or islam
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1090887/Pictured-Tears-year-old-boy-trapped-Mumbai-Jewish-centre-parents-murdered.html
Abdullah Mikail
BTW...why are your Muslim brothers killing all those Africans in Sudan anyway? Some are even semi-Muslim? What does that have to do with Israel or America? What did they do to deserve to have their population slaughtered, raped, plundered and enslaved?
Why should I care about the so-called "5,000+ indigenous civilians murdered by Israel", when your brothers have murdered 2 million Christian and Animist Africans in Southern Sudan, displaced about 4 million (you know refugees), and have enslaved god knows how many into your slave trade? You know the Arabians, Egyptians, OIC, even your precious "Palestinians" have supported this wanton slaughter.
Fight evil in all its forms. I agree, lets start with the most evil subhuman garbage to ever walk the face of the earth. How about Satan's spawn, the murdering, looting, lying, child rapping pedophile muhammed.
I cannot ignore...
Look AM, you sick, twisted Islamic totalitarian creep- coming to THIS particular thread and offering your hollow words of sympathy, while simultaneously justifying such actions is an OUTRAGE. AN OUTRAGE.
There is no possible justification for what occurred in Bombay beyond the horrific ideology of your death obsessed religion.
That you come here to parade around as a victim indicates to me that you fully condone what happened. For that, may you quickly find your 72 virgins.
Peace my a$$. This is the face of war. And your religion is the catalyst. Now leave this good place forever.
I appreciate tanstaafl's comment, but they puzzle me, for the following reason:
Other commenters who run blogs provide links to enable readers of JW to discover their blogs and
perhaps become fans. But tanstaafl provides no such link, although someone with the same alias
runs a blog entitled age-of-treason.blogspot.com, which offers “a pro-White perspective on jewish
influence, globalism, the immigration invasion and islamic jihad - and the tendency toward treason they inspire,” and invariably spells “jews” and “jewish” with a lower-case j. Now, if JW’s commenter is the same tanstaafl, then perhaps his reticence is due to modesty, in which case I am happy to provide the name of the blog in his behalf. If, however, he is a different tanstaafl, then I should be grateful for the correction, and he in turn will be glad to be alerted to the fact that someone else is using the same alias.
"This comment and this person's opinions are just as bad."
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at December 2, 2008 1:49 PM
Abdullah Mikhail is a taqiyya-spewing Muslim, apologist and propogandist for Islam and even convicted Muslim terrorists, and a proven liar.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023642.php
Cornelius,
What I posted yesterday was an honest opinion based upon independant reporting from unbiased people in the region.
It was based upon the Hindu "good luck" charm one of the attackers was wearing.
Further news reports have lead me to change my mind...there was no "crossing the line" sort of wild conspiracy reported by me yesterdy.
Indian Military are engaged in false flag operations that utilized bombs that murdered scores of innocent people, Muslims were arrested and tortured then confessed...but later the Indian Government paid compensation to the Muslim victims because the Indian military was caught red handed and the officers involved were arrested.
This is a fact, not a "wild conspiracy theory."
Mumbai was not a flase flag operation, and thus I feel smpathy for those who suffered as well as outrage at the criminal behavior of the terrorists.
The exercise of free speech, the open exchange of ideas, is something that neither Robert nor I would ban someone for.
My opinion was based upon facts in other similar cases....whether you like it or agree with it doesn't matter...it was based upon facts in other similar cases.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
I appreciate tanstaafl's comment, but they puzzle me, for the following reason:
Other commenters who run blogs provide links to enable readers of JW to discover their blogs and
perhaps become fans. But tanstaafl provides no such link, although someone with the same alias
runs a blog entitled age-of-treason.blogspot.com, which offers “a pro-White perspective on jewish
influence, globalism, the immigration invasion and islamic jihad - and the tendency toward treason they inspire,” and invariably spells “jews” and “jewish” with a lower-case j. Now, if JW’s commenter is the same tanstaafl, then perhaps his reticence is due to modesty, in which case I am happy to provide the name of the blog in his behalf. If, however, he is a different tanstaafl, then I should be grateful for the correction, and he in turn will be glad to be alerted to the fact that someone else is using the same alias.
Posted by: Aileen at December 2, 2008 3:01 PM
Aileen - You are confusing me with someone else. I am totally unaware of this other individual. I am sorry if I do not provide links to my blog. In my defense, I do not have a blog to link to.
I am responsible for only my opinion and not the opinions of others. I hope that my posts indicate that I am no anti-semitic. I am anything if not a supporter of these brave people and their continuous struggle for freedom
Tanstaafl
"...a proven liar."
Posted by: awake at December 2, 2008 3:22 PM
Prove it.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
"The jihadists who are celebrating the murders of this little boys' parents are evil. And evil must be resisted. Evil must be defeated."
What Muslim isn't celebrating those murders in their heart, even if they outwardly pretend not to? How can we tell if any given Muslim is not celebrating those murders in their heart, or when they are along with each other with no Infidels overhearing them? We can't tell. Therefore we must assume ALL Muslims are evil. Who's with me? If not, why not? Explain yourself.
Robert
The last I replied to this vile cretin who goes by the name Abdullah Mikail you banned me, yet you allow him to continue his BS, especially on this thread.
The is showing utter respect to a young child who has just witnessed his mother and father tortured be they where shot.
There are many here who are feeling upset over this incident, a do not need the likes of Abdullah Mikail and his perverted opinions and taquiya.
Thankyou
Shiva
this is a test, please delete
"...a proven liar."
Posted by: awake at December 2, 2008 3:22 PM
Prove it.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at December 2, 2008 3:40 PM
That is what the link was for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra5ouiq93Uk
awake,
"That is what the link was for."
You are splitting hairs with that one...
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Tanstaafl: Thank you for your clarification. You've solved the puzzle, because your comments here are inconsistent with those on the blog run by the other tanstaafl. I'm surely not the only one who's come across that other tanstaafl's blog, and others might therefore have the same question as I. I therefore wonder whether you might choose a different nom de plume, to avoid the unwanted association with that other person?
You are splitting hairs with that one...
Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at December 2, 2008 4:11 PM
A liar or just ignorant Abby? Take your pick.
Ignore the Mohammedan Death Eater.
I suspect that, had he been in that house in Mumbai he would have watched with pleasure, or perhaps even participated in, the torture and mutilation and murder of innocent, defenceless, holy Gabriel and Rivka, and of the other Jews with them.
Instead of wasting time on the Death Eater, let's honor little Moshe's rescuer, Sandra Samuel.
Here is one awestricken account of Sandra's courage and compassion, on the 'Oleh Girl' blog (linked from Jerusalem Post):
http://olehgirl.com/?p=1404
"Everyone has heard of the brave and heroic act of the nanny, Sandra Samuel, who saved 2 year old Moshe Holtzberg from the horrors that were unfolding at the hands of the terrorists in the Chabad House in Mumbai.
"But what she truly did in order to save this child is only just now becoming known and the bravery it took simply leaves me breathless.
"Sandra Samuel was on the ground floor when the terrorists burst into the four-story building.
"She locked and barricaded herself into a room on that floor
"and hunkered down in terror for 12 hours as the gunmen ranged throughout the building, shooting immediately several of the hostages on the floors above, shooting from the windows and killing pedestrians on the street, killing and injuring people in apartments in buildings next door, killing a tailor in his shop down the street.
"Hours later they killed more of the hostages.
"And then there was a long lull in the shootings and noise. In that lull, she heard the baby crying.
"When I first heard that she had “scooped up the baby and fled” I assumed that the baby was perhaps in the hallway outside her door or in a room across from where she was hiding.
"Had that been the case, her selfless act would have still been brave and heroic beyond measure.
"Many people in such situations of incredible fear for their own life think only of saving themselves, not because they are selfish or bad people but rather they are simply unable to cope because they are so overwhelmed with fear and panic.
"But the fact of the matter was that the baby was not in the hallway nor in a room nearby on that ground floor by the exit.
"The baby was upstairs. The baby was upstairs where the terrorists were.
"The terrorists had gone up to the roof of the building
"but Sandra Samuel did not know that when she left her barricaded room and, rather than fleeing out the door to save her own life, crept up those stairs to where she could hear the baby’s cries.
"She did not know where the terrorists were when she went up into the killing grounds to try to save that little boy.
"At some point during those first 12 hours of siege, little Moshe has climbed out of his crib and his nanny found him sitting and crying, covered in blood, among the bodies of the victims.
" It was from this place that she scooped him and fled back downstairs and then out the door toward safety.
"I will tell you that, untested, I’d like to believe that I too would climb up into the lion’s den to save a child –my own or someone else’s —
"but I don’t know if I would have that kind of strength, that level of bravery and heroism. I don’t know if, standing so close to freedom and in such fear for my own life, that I would be able to make myself climb those stairs up to where I would have a very good chance of coming face to face with a maniac with a gun who would be more than happy to slaughter me on sight.
" I keep picturing this woman, standing there at the bottom of the stairs like a classic scene from a horror movie where everyone in the audience is screaming, “no, don’t go up, are you stupid?!” –and still going up."
"That, my friends, is not stupidity but the face of true heroism that simply takes my breath away." END QUOTE
The name of Sandra Samuel will be remembered forever as one of the Righteous
while the names of the cowardly hateful vicious jihadist torturers and murderers, who were doing exactly as the hate-filled books of Islam told them to do, will be erased forever.
ABDULLAH: "What I posted yesterday was an honest opinion based upon independant reporting from unbiased people in the region. It was based upon the Hindu "good luck" charm one of the attackers was wearing."
"Honest opinion"..."unbiased people"...
Who the hell do you think you're dealing with here? It never ceases to amaze me, the low regard Muslims have for the intelligence and credulity of infidels.
You sir, are despicable.
What a heartbreaking story.
I am so sick and tired of this hate filled ideology. It brings misery and death wherever it is spread. This poor child will suffer its effects for the rest of his life. Right now he cannot even understand what's happening to him. All he knows is that he is scared and alone. My heart breaks for him.
So to see Abdullah Mikail person defending this perverted excuse for a religion makes me even more furious!
Shiva
You'll have to pardon me: I have no idea why you were banned before, but I can assure you with 100% certainty that it wasn't because you replied to this vile cretin, Abdullah Mikhail. It may have been in what you said when doing so, but that is a different thing.
His continued presence here is for two reasons: I don't like banning people. I believe that the antidote to bad speech is more speech, not censorship. And I don't want to imitate some other blogs where any dissenting opinion gets one cast into the outer darkness, as well as vilified and defamed.
Also, his presence here is instructive. See what he does when confronted with the pure evil of the Mumbai jihadists. I for my part think it is highly illuminating, especially coming from an American convert to Islam.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Cornelius,
The fact I based my opinion on that the attackers were Hindu was based on reports by people who saw the attacker and the Hindu symbol he wore as well as this case here:
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1203234
Indian false flag operations are underway as we speak, and the article posted above proves it.
AND
Dear Robert,
By the way, I am not a convert, but you don't know me, so I won't hold that against you.
I remind you, it was you that spun this sad event with the tragedies occurring daily in the occupation of Palestine, don't forget it...that connection I didn't even expect of you in your on going enterprise in ambulance chasing.
Illuminating indeed...
I am not the one standing in the rubble on the bodies selling copy, you are...
for $18.95 a pop Robert will tell you all about it!
No business like Shoa-business, hey Robert?
Chaching!!!
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
May God bless this innocent little child. May He surround him with love the remaining days of his life. We are all Hindus and Israelis today.
That link Abdullah posted was apparently the basis for his earlier contention that Hindus were behind the Mumbai tragedy?
No stretch there folks...the evidence is overwhelming!!!
Abdullah, for such a supposedly educated man, you sure made a fool of yourself.
Abdullah Mikail
So you are a revert! Now who is splitting hairs! Anyway does it really matter?
The point is the Palestinians (Like Hamas for example) support genocide in Darfur, not to mention in Southern Sudan over those many years of mayhem, slavery and murder. Once again 2 million killed and 4 million displaced...
See what Hamas said on the subject...
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=30632
Warning link below is of a violent and shocking nature...
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/10/22/world/23sudan.xlarge1.jpg
Why is this? Why do you not answer my questions above? I think it is illuminating indeed that you go on, and on about the poor Palestinians, yet they themselves support genocide of Africans!
Explain?
Ignore the Mohammedan.
Here is something to feed our souls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQNOCeJIC8M&feature=related
Funny how some people like to accuse Robert of being a sell out for writing books. If Robert was a sell out he could make way more money as an apologist like John esposito.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022960.php
He writes these books for precisely the opposite reason. He hasn't sold out.
Moshe had a sibling. I just heard on FoxNews that his mother was found to be 5 months pregnant. And those are all the words I've got right now.
I quite agree with Robert's assessment of AM and his usefulness on JW. Not since Naseem (and other trolls) has a Moholic like Abdullah provided such insights.
AM, we know you are lying because your lips are moving -- Oops -- I mean your fingers are moving, LOL!
greatcometof1577
Get off your high horse and hang up your projection bias.
When all the world was using Darfur as a political football and yet doing nothing about we Muslims went there and we helped the people on the ground who needed it most.
Yes, there is a major problem in Darfur as well as many other places in the third world...we sent people ther on the ground and did something to help those in need.
You people did nothing but use it as a segue to bash Islam...you did nothing.
Islamic Relief is the only agency that did anything in Darfur for the longest time.
You want to whine about something? Whine about your own inaction and your own willingness to let those suffer who need help.
We did our job, we didn't whine about the situation.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
jdamn
Disgusting savages.
Nice...they tortured and killed a pregnant woman! Enough is enough, Pakistan must pay, and I hope our idiotic leaders like Obama, Bush, McCain, Nancy and crew shut up and let justice be done.
Hell, we should be bombing Pakistan..we need to take out those nukes they have. Any society that funds and helps people like those that slaughter pregnant women do not have the right to have the "bomb".
They are not civilized enough....
That link that Abdullah put up --
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1203234
doesn't support whatever he was claiming. Man, he's just phoning it in these days.
I really enjoy the Muslim apologists who suddenly turn into historians to point out historical attrocities commited by other religions. Two wrongs don't make a right. In the here and now, Islam is a constant force of evil with a clear agenda of worldwide indoctrination, subgigation and oppression via the sword. There is no greater force of evil on this planet today.
Here is an interesting quote from a retired Indian military officer.
"What we need to acquire as early as possible is the unmanned combat vehicles," said retired Brigadier Gurmeet Kanwal.
From: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/india-weighing-all-options-before-taking-on-pak/79582-3.html
I would like to see the US distance itself from Pakistan, in favor of closer relations with India. What makes me sick is knowing that we sold F16's to the Pakis recently. Hopefully we have a self-destruct mechanism installed on them.
"By the way, I am not a convert, but you don't know me, so I won't hold that against you."
Liar! His real name is not Abdullah Mikail. It is Michael MacKay. He lives in Dallas, Texas, with his Indonesian wife Nia, and daughter Anissa. His mother, Margaret Ruth Cline, died in Arkansas in 2003. Here is a video of the family celebrating Ramadan, complete with Mikey praying in Arabic:
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/?z=y&nvid=281791
"By the way, I am not a convert, but you don't know me, so I won't hold that against you."
Liar! His real name is not Abdullah Mikail. It is Michael MacKay. He lives in Dallas, Texas, with his Indonesian wife Nia, and daughter Anissa. His mother, Margaret Ruth Cline, died in Arkansas in 2003. Here is a video of the family celebrating Ramadan, complete with Mikey praying in Arabic:
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/?z=y&nvid=281791
Abdullah Mikail
High Horse! Wow...I must have touched a nerve...I can do that sometimes...
Arab Muslims slaughtered them! Thats how you helped them! The Jews helped them by giving them aid! Even if they were African Muslims!
http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?ReportId=76223
http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/2008/11/sudan-liberation-movement-supports.html
Yet the OIC wants mass murder!!!
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/14/news/UN-GEN-UN-OIC-Darfur.php
After all it is an Arab land...for Arabs Muslims only! Is that not right Abdullah...
Oops, sorry about the double post. TypePad seems to be acting up.
greatcometof1577
One cannot control what other people do, only what we ourselves do.
So what did you do about Darfur, anything?
Be responsible...what did you do?
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Oops, sorry about the double post. TypePad seems to be acting up.
Posted by: Abu Allah at December 2, 2008 5:46 PM
That's okay Abu, we know you are challenged.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Abu Allah,
How do you know that Michael MaCKay and Mikhail Abdullah are one and the same?
DenverRodeo,
Yes, Abdullah's link to justify his pointing the finger at Hindus is as non-consequential as any "evidence" I've ever seen in my life.
He's not just a dissembler, he's a lightweight.
"doesn't support whatever he was claiming. Man, he's just phoning it in these days."
Posted by: DenverRodeo at December 2, 2008 5:34 PM
Indian False flag operations...these Hindu groups, some of which are composed of Military personnell some of Hindu Nationals, set off bombs and murder people directing the blame at Muslims...The Hindu "good luck" charm worn by an attacker was pointed out by an Indian witness...yeah, that is pretty much what I said I thought Mumbai was.
I was wrong.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Abdullah Mikail
"You people did nothing but use it as a segue to bash Islam...you did nothing."
Wrong again..apologist!
I present for evidence....
Item A...
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/18145
Item B...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/02/20080219-5.html
The only thing the Arabs have really supplied except for a few fruit baskets has been fighters for the Janjaweed.
Abdullah,
At least you're man enough to admit you were wrong.
Would you please post the source of the "good luck charm" story so that we all can validate your claim that it was the "honest opinion" of "unbiased people"?
...what little cred you have left is on the line.
Abdullah Mikail
Oh here is best story..
The Muslim "Arab" North Sudan has plenty of food!
But they sell to the Arabians for cash!!!
"Sudan is growing wheat for Saudi Arabia, sorghum for camels in the United Arabs Emirates and vine-ripened tomatoes for the Jordanian army. Now the government is plowing $5 billion into new agribusiness projects, many of them to produce food for export."
http://www.africanexecutive.com/modules/magazine/articles.php?article=3516
Nice! Starve the Africans....Feed the Muslim Arabs.
Cornelius, this is the information age, and it's trivial to find info on almost anyone. Especially when their typing fingers are as busy as those of our friend "Abdullah." If you doubt me, you might even ask the individual in question yourself (just for kicks and grins.)
Abdullah Mikail wrote:
"When all the world was using Darfur as a political football and yet doing nothing about we Muslims went there and we helped the people on the ground who needed it most.
. . . Islamic Relief is the only agency that did anything in Darfur for the longest time.
. . . We did our job, we didn't whine about the situation."
Before Darfur became fashionable, you were slaughtering Christians and animists in the south.
This is more of that subtle, Muslim irony. For the uninitiated, here is a translation guide:
"helped the people on the ground who needed it most" can be translated as, "Some of the Infidels weren't dead yet, so we finished them off," or, "Our glorious martyrs' arms tired from hacking off so many Infidel heads and limbs. We provided Gatorade."
"the only agency that did anything in Darfur," means, "those apostate slackers didn't work as hard as we did."
"We did our job," means, "Where's our virgins?"
I think that about does it, right, Abdullah?
And even if you didn't actually carry it out, you are an accomplice, for you obfuscate for Allah.
Aileen, I have been reading Tanstaafl's posts here for several years, and have *never* heard him voice an antisemetic opinion.
A while back, a regular poster here had to deal with another poster who either used his same username or one very, very similar. (darn--his name is on the tip of my tongue--I think it was a historical reference to Spain--it wasn't "El Cid" but it was along those lines--I'll probably remember it as soon as I post this). This other poster was a troll. It resulted in a lot of confusion and ill will for the first poster, who had been using that name here for years.
I imagine there are other users, somewhere, who go by "Gravenimage". Almost certainly, there are other "Aileen's". Unless I have a real reason to think two different personas are the same person, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt.
Abdullah wrote this after I dismissed his link as proving nothing:
"Indian False flag operations...these Hindu groups, some of which are composed of Military personnell some of Hindu Nationals, set off bombs and murder people directing the blame at Muslims...The Hindu "good luck" charm worn by an attacker was pointed out by an Indian witness...yeah, that is pretty much what I said I thought Mumbai was."
Repeat: Abdullah's link proved NONE of what he wrote here, not one jot or tittle.
Abdullah Dude,
Just curious, if and when the peaceful palestininas decided to help the Darfur victims, was that before or after the Christians and Annamists had all been murdered by the Janjaweed? Inquiring minds need to know. In your all knowing and I'm sure your truthful voice can enlighten us all.
October 18, 2008
A veiled threat from a "moderate Muslim"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023145.php
Check out Matamoros' comment.
And this is for Sandra Samuel, and for all the non-Muslims of Mumbai, especially all those who risked, or lost, their lives helping others escape the slaughter.
Two versions of the final montage of Kieslowski's 'Trois Couleurs: Bleu' (three colours: blue): this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmQ88PWzvR0
or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5RixgPqbLM&feature=related
The text comprises portions of 1 Corinthians 13, the hymn to charity (agape).
'These three abide: faith, hope, and charity:
but the greatest of these is charity (meizon de touton he agape).'
Tanstaafl: Thank you for your clarification. You've solved the puzzle, because your comments here are inconsistent with those on the blog run by the other tanstaafl. I'm surely not the only one who's come across that other tanstaafl's blog, and others might therefore have the same question as I. I therefore wonder whether you might choose a different nom de plume, to avoid the unwanted association with that other person?
Posted by: Aileen at December 2, 2008 4:13 PM
Wait a minute!
Me = good guy.
Other tanstaafl = bad guy.
Do you mind telling him to choose a different nom de plume to avoid being mistaken with me?
I like my online identity and I intend to write under this identity until this other bloke disappears from view.
Tanstaafl (good guy)
Ignore the trolls folks!
Unless Abdullah saw this Hindu string himself, up close, he has no leg to stand on.
Poor little Moshe. I hope he grows up to become a Crusader.
Meanwhile, we must suffer "this vile cretin, Abdullah Mikhail" --RS
Evil Mohammedan abdullah mikhail.
The parents of Moshe are worth 100 million of you.
Savages, evil Barbarian Mohammedan savages.
LIke AM and his Mumbai colleagues.
October 18, 2008
A veiled threat from a "moderate Muslim"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023145.php
Check out Matamoros' comment.
just shows this AM is a coward liar , trying to pose as a moderate
Abdullah,
I repeat:
Would you please post the source of the "good luck charm" story so that we all can validate your claim that it was the "honest opinion" of "unbiased people"?
...what little cred you have left is on the line.
Wow, so many PC hot-button words there it is hard to count! Unfortunately, this is not the place for triggering moral equivalence responses. Clarification note to AM: The "indigenous" "palestinians" are the bad guys. No, the rubble was not staged. Taking actors there to portray fiction as news is what Robert is referring to. Have you never visited www.seconddraft.org?
tanstaafl --
A similar situation with regards to having a "mistaken identify" happened to me when another JW poster started spreading false rumors about me on this forum because of things written by someone else named "champ" on a different forum.
This JW poster didn't even bother checking with me FIRST to see if we were in fact the same person; she just took it upon herself to assume that we were, and it took several comments from me to clear up the confusion -- and then she never even apologized for HER mistake.
We should all just stick to what is being said by commenters on this forum and not broaden the discussion by assuming that those with the same moniker on others forums are all one-in-the-same, because it can be very hurtful and even damaging to the one who is being falsely accused. Thanks.
Posted by: Abu Allah at December 2, 2008 2:31 PM
Celebrate Ramadan with Michael MacKay aka "Abdullah Mikail" and his wife Nia. You can even get to hear Mikey demonstrate his piety by praying in Arabic, the language of God:
Video at:
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/?z=y&nvid=281791
---------------------------------------------------------
Abjullah & Nia do have a nice home and Nia is a gracious complement to Abjullah.
One phrase Abjullah used struck me: "...and to be thankful for the things that God gives us, like a nice home and a refrigerator full of food so that we can eat anytime we want."
In most Islamically-controlled societies or countries, the two items noted above would be considered out-of-reach luxuries, available only to the well-to-do or those in particular favor to the government.
It is very intelligent for Abjullah and Nia to make their home in the USA instead of some Islamic hell-hole where a home with a full refrigerator might be only a dream denied by the Mullahs' insistence on sacrifice for the never-ending Jihad against the Infidel...or even worse...a dream denied only because of Islamic resistance to worthwhile ideas such as material comfort...and freedom.
Thanks Robert for standing up for the TRUTH!
Posted by: Cornelius [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 2, 2008 6:09 PM
Cornelius,
Rush hour traffic...sorry to drop off the board...I got an email from a witness that noticed the red bracelet on one of the attackers:
here
nearing.newsvine.com/_news/2008/11/30/2163718-mumbai-evidence-being-deliberately-ignored-
and here
therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/hindu-redorange-bracelet-right-wrist/
And for DenverRodeo, the Indian False Flag operation exposed:
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5107111.ece
www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/indian-army-officer-arrested-for-role-in-malegaon-bombing-lead_100115441.html
And this is the Hindu Extremist group the initial link sent you to was engaging in same:
Pragnya had established JVMJKS in 2002 and was also associated with another group identified as Rashtriya Jagran Manch, which had started in February and is based in Indore.
Cornelius,
Sorry for not posting the full links to lead you up to why I posted yesterday what I assumed may have been the culprit, Hindu Nationalism.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
The Times Online writer mentioned above--Sheera Frenkel--chose to close a brief story on the boy's survival a couple of days ago with the disgusting quote:
"T. K. Bhat, who lives close to the Chabad house, said: 'It could be that the attitudes of the Chabad, which gives the sense of an elite club for Jews alone, is part of what provoked the terrorists to target them for the attack.'"
She didn't include even one of the many available quotes from Indians regarding their warm feeling toward Jews. Instead, she went with one that gives the impression that the mere presence of religious Jews is so offensive and objectionable that it could cause people to commit such terrible atrocities.
Here is the link to the article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5248330.ece
Abdullah's first link --
nearing.newsvine.com/_news/2008/11/30/2163718-mumbai-evidence-being-deliberately-ignored-
-- is not proof, it is simply the speculations of some airhead girl who has a blog. Man, Abdullah, you're really getting desperate, aren't you?
The second link --
http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/hindu-redorange-bracelet-right-wrist/
also just comes from some joe blow's personal blog, and furthermore it's just a series of photographs that show one of the Mumbai terrorists with what looks like an orange band around his wrist, and then some other photographs that I guess are supposed to be Hindu "extremists" wearing what look like orange (or reddish) bands around their wrists. So what? That is not proof of Abdullah's claim.
Besides many other problems, here's one logical problem with Abdullah's claim: imagine if the Mumbai terrorist was really a Hindu fanatic pretending to be a Muslim so that everybody would think the Mumbai slaughter was Islamic terrorism. Wouldn't it be the height of stupidity to go around all day long wearing an orange band on your wrist, when cameras would doubtlessly capture your image at some point, if supposedly that would instantly prove you were Hindu, and not Muslim?
Man, no wonder Abdullah's a Muslim. You need some grey matter missing in order to join Islam like he did.
to Abdullah Mikail
what you are saying is pure and simply B.S, I suggest you watch this video in it is the best explanation of the problem that muslims like you have to recognize that your religion is very violent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avYtAyCxUbA
Abdullah,
Your links are hardly the "honest opinions" of "unbiased people". But again, to your credit, at least you've acknowledged your error...quite uncharacteristic of people of your particular persuasion. Perhaps this is a lingering after-effect of being raised as an infidel.
Which leads me to my next question:
You denied to Robert that you are a convert to Islam when every indication is that you are. Were you being deliberately deceptive....or was this a case of semantics, "revert" being the operative word...?
If the latter, why not just clarify as opposed to obfuscate?
He claims he had always been looking for a controlling, ritualistic monotheistic faith that chopped off hands, gouged out eyes, threw stones at women ater they were raped and celebrated military victories by raping the subjugated peoples wives. He just didn't know what the name was until he met his now wife.
Regarding "the red bracelet on one of the attackers",
- it is not strictly Hindu. Muslims also wear it, so it proves nothing. (This from a Rand analyst on C-SPAN this am)
- there is no reason Muslim attackers couldn't have worn it anyway.
It's a pretty thin reed on which to base your case that Hindus did this.
The overriding question would be WHY? What would they have to gain?
1. That poor baby. I only hope his parents knew he was safe before they were killed.
2. The crack above (directed at Robert Spencer), "No business like Shoa-business," is egregious and anti-Semitic and has no place in this thread about a child whose parents were targeted and murdered because they were Jewish. It tells me all I need to know about the person who penned it.
He is, of course, simply cracked. There is no other conceivable explanation for the kind of stuff he routinely posts. Islam appealed to him - the usual story, Spiritual Search, weak mind, desire for a Total Regulation of Life, no need to think because Allah Knows Best. And now he's in, and unlikely to ever get out.
AM -- what do you think about your prophet Muhammad having sex with a nine year old? I know, it's beyond disgusting, I just want you to admit it. You've avoided this question long enough, it's time you explain to the class your thoughts on this perversion.
And let's not forget the basic human need to be constantly maligned for your vicarious involvement in the senseless violence perpetrated by your affiliates.
champ he will say having sex with children was something normal back then
Dumbledore's Army wrote:
let's honor little Moshe's rescuer, Sandra Samuel.
.....
Thank you, Dumbledore's Army. I had not heard the full story of little Moshe's rescue.
more:
"I will tell you that, untested, I’d like to believe that I too would climb up into the lion’s den to save a child –my own or someone else’s —
"but I don’t know if I would have that kind of strength, that level of bravery and heroism.
...................
This is exactly what I was thinking. I *hope* I would be so brave. I'm in awe of her courage.
AB; I'm amused now.
You're so much a limp-wristed, pissy beta male that no red-blooded American woman would have you or put up with your sissy shit.
So, in order to finally get a woman to take you seriously and "respect" you, one whom you could control, you not only chose an itsy-bitsy Indonesian girl but you made sure she was a Muslim so she'd have to treat you nice or you could kick her ass... and she knows it.
Then to prove that you're whipped waaaaay beyond any red-blooded American tolerance, you take her religion.
And then you want to lecture us.
You are a reprehensible piece of shit for bringing your wretched twistededness to this particular thread.
F*uck you and the horse you rode in on, jack.
My post, from above:
A while back, a regular poster here had to deal with another poster who either used his same username or one very, very similar. (darn--his name is on the tip of my tongue--I think it was a historical reference to Spain--it wasn't "El Cid" but it was along those lines--I'll probably remember it as soon as I post this).
Champ wrote:
...Check out Matamoros' comment.
...............
Wow--Champ, I know you weren't even writing about this, but that was the name I was thinking of--"Matamoros".
I don't know if people have seen this yet but appears the Jihadist beat Moshe...
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumbai/Nariman_House_victim_was_pregnant/articleshow/3785881.cms
"In this story it states: "Britain's Sky News reported on Monday that Moshe might have been beaten up by the militants. The chairman of Zaka, Israels ultra-orthodox recovery service, told the television network that the toddler's back was covered with bruises consistent with some form of abuse."
champ he will say having sex with children was something normal back then
Posted by: Péguy
I guess it was normal for allah too then. I guess allah digs sex with little children since there was no intervention in the despicable deed when his dirty old prophet defiled the poor young child. Seems muhammed got a lot of incoming messages from the Big Guy, but alas, no memos on murder, rape, robbery, or even pedophilia. Either muhammed was a false prophet (which the sick pig was) or allah really is Satan. Either way it isn't good news, is it?
gravenimage -- happy to help! :~>
KrazyKafir -- Muhammad served the god of the underworld, and last I checked, anything goes in satans kingdom. Rape, murder, incest, lying, steeling are all OK in his book.
03/12/08
The case AM referring to is the Malegaon blast case. Bombs went off in Malegaon and they could not solve the case and it was pending. The dhimmi state government suddenly got the idea that it can be foisted on a Hindu group, called Abhinav Bharath and accordingly entrusted the work to the Anri Terror Squad. The act was supposed to get the muslim votes and also a sort of a balancing act. They were trying to fabricate the case and till date no evidence has been produced. They attempted to torture the accused and extract confessions; the attempt failed because the Hindu nationalist party protested. ATS chief was also killed in current Mumbai terror attacks. The whole thing is a fraud perpetrated by the secular mafia. Hindus have no track record of terrorism; we practise the more open route of riots and kill the fanatics.
Yes Champ. Notice how the Slaves of Satan do everything they can to deflect attention from their "holy" warriors' evil deeds.
Tanstaafl wrote:
"Me = good guy.
Other tanstaafl = bad guy.
Do you mind telling him to choose a different nom de plume to avoid being mistaken with me?
I like my online identity and I intend to write under this identity until this other bloke disappears from view."
My response: The problem is that he has a blog, and it seems to have been in operation for some time. Lots of people know of it and associate that alias with his poison. I share your wish that he disappear from view, but he won't. I can't be the only person who had to learn, by inquiring, that there are two tanstaafls. You can keep your chosen nom de plume and avoid that ugly association by a simple expedient: perhaps using "tanstaaflGG" as your cognomen (GG = Good Guy).
Mr. Spencer: It took SEVEN tries for me to get my post of 7:09 a.m. accepted. Can you convey the many complaints to TypePad? I can't help wondering how many posters have given up after several futile attempts.
Tanstaafl wrote:
"Me = good guy.
Other tanstaafl = bad guy.
Do you mind telling him to choose a different nom de plume to avoid being mistaken with me?
I like my online identity and I intend to write under this identity until this other bloke disappears from view."
My response: The problem is that he has a blog, and it seems to have been in operation for some time. Lots of people know of it and associate that alias with his poison. I share your wish that he disappear from view, but he won't. I can't be the only person who had to learn, by inquiring, that there are two tanstaafls. You can keep your chosen nom de plume and avoid that ugly association by a simple expedient: perhaps using "tanstaaflGG" as your cognomen (GG = Good Guy).
Posted by: Aileen at December 3, 2008 7:09 AM
What blog? List a link or stop this nonsense! This is a waste of my time and the rest of the bloggers on this site. I have received permission to continue to post under "tanstaafl", if this continues to cause you trouble, just read what I write. It is not to difficult to discover what my viewpoint is.
Thanks for the rest of the folks (champ & gravenimage) who have come to my defense!
Peace out.
Tanstaafl
"You denied to Robert that you are a convert to Islam when every indication is that you are."
"If the latter, why not just clarify as opposed to obfuscate?"
Posted by: Cornelius
I only ever believed in One God.
I was a missile technician on a nuclear submarine.
My religious affiliation was "NO PREFERENCE" because the Navy refused to print "GOD" on my dog tags.
I did not "convert" from one of something to another, or "revert" from error to a correct path...I always believed in only One God.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Abdullah... AB;
The Navy didn't refuse to print God. They gave you several choices and you didn't like any of them. They have regulations to follow. They have not obligation to bend over and kiss your butt and you have no right to demand they do so.
The dog-tag story shows clearly that you're a cosmic wuss from the get-go and that's why you chose Islam, the religion of perpetual whining.
When I see Moshe crying, I think of our own 3-year-old girl. Sometimes she cries like that when her mom or I leave for work. But for Moshe, his parents will never come back. It's so incredibly sad, and even worse that it was a willful, human act of cruelty that caused it. And that the people who did it thought that the evil they were doing was good because their religion says it is.
I especially enjoyed playing with my daughter last night, and noticing the cute things she does. Like when we told her we would get 5 raisins each, and she bargained and insisted she wanted 4, thinking it was more, though we explained it wasn't, and her feeling triumphant the whole rest of the night, thinking she won the bargain. And her being "Belle" and me "the Beast", and then being "Madeline" and me "Pepito, the Bad Hat". And I got a little less annoyed when she threw her toothbrush on the floor before brushing her teeth, bit into my CPAP power cord, and tried to pull down the bedside table.
We should enjoy and appreciate our loved ones, because we never know when they or we might be taken away. It's for them that I fight this battle, against those who would take all of this away from me because their religion requires them to do so. I fight to protect myself and my loved ones from the terror, the horror, the evil, the slavery that is Islam, so that my child can grow up with freedom and love.
"The jihadists who are celebrating the murders of this little boys' parents are evil. And evil must be resisted. Evil must be defeated."
Let us NOT fail to call this evil by it's proper name: Islamic terrorism. Why can't we ever just call a spade a spade and let the chips fall where they may?
This little child's life was saved by the courage, love and loyalty of his Indian Amah.
Whoever she is, may God bless her for this.
"The jihadists who are celebrating the murders of this little boys' parents are evil. And evil must be resisted. Evil must be defeated."
Let us NOT fail to call this evil by it's proper name: Islamic terrorism. Why can't we ever just call a spade a spade and let the chips fall where they may?
This little child's life was saved by the courage, love and loyalty of his Indian Amah.
Whoever she is, may God bless her for this.
allah is not YHWH , satan is allah the deceiver , worship him at your own peril.
REV 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Mikhail,
I'd like to know more about your journey.
When and why did you come to accept Muhammad as the 'Seal of the Prophets'?
Also, do you know the story of Garstein-Ross? Like you, he became a Muslim and then found his way back.
It's never too late. You don't have to spend the rest of your life rationalizing pedophilia (Aisha), genocide (Banu Qurayzah), lapidation, amputation, etc.
So...does that make anyone who is a deist, maybe even a semi-agnostic, who isn't a "member" of an organized faith, a Muslim? What about Jews (I know you disdain Christian trinitarianism - still haven't read Athanasius, On the Incarnation, I bet)? They always only believed in One God. There are several faiths like that. How do you define a "revert" or a "convert"?
Cornelius,
Altruism?
You either seek truth or you are just posturing in front of others.
Which is it?
challengingreddyneck@yahoo.com
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Notice Abdullah Mikail has not answered the key question of these comments.
He has not responded to the obvious inadequacy of the "proof" he brought forth to prove that Hindus were behind Mumbai.
Over 24 hours ago I exposed the inadequacy of his two latest links supposedly "proving" that the Mumbai terrorists were Hindus. And Cornelius has repeatedly asked him to address this. Instead of responding to this, he takes advantage of a much more trivial controversy here, concerning whether he was obfuscating about never having "converted" to Islam and answers those, but ignores the other more important issue he alleged. (Even on the conversion issue he continues to obfuscate and his weasel explanation of it shows that his attack on Spencer was completely out of place.)
That's one of his tactics: he blows smoke for a while, people ask him for proof, he blows smoke for a while again, then finally posts cut-and-pastes or links that are completely inadequate to the point of proving his claims. Then people call him on that. He does a little more smoke-blowing obfuscating and tap-dancing. Then the thread is so long and so old, he feels safe in just disappearing. Then a few days later, he will reappear in another thread and do the whole one-trick-pony song-and-dance act all over again.
Take a number.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023582.php#c602646
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023455.php#c599325
Abdullah; you smug schmuck. You wouldn't know truth if it bit you in the ass... which it will.
allah is not YHWH , satan is allah the deceiver , worship him at your own peril.
REV 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Posted by: Péguy
I agree, Peguy!
Allah is Not the God of the Bible:
"Muslims believe that there is no other God besides Allah and that he is the God of the universe. They claim that not only is he their God, but that he is the God of the Jews, the Christians and everyone else. When examining the profile of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and comparing it with Allah’s profile, there are a number of distinct differences between them that can only result in one conclusion: These profiles simply do not match! Allah is NOT the God of the Bible!"
"The Islamic faith, through the teachings of Muhammad, asserts that Allah is God and attempt to place him within the confines of the Holy Scriptures. When the Bible contradicts their teachings, they allege that it is flawed, has been tampered with, and has many errors. They further claim that the Koran, through the teachings of their prophet Muhammad, corrects them. However, it has already been established that Muhammad was both a false prophet and teacher. Therefore, Islam’s allegations are unsupported, baseless and without merit."
"There are a number of major differences between the God of the Bible and Allah. This chapter will focus upon five reasons why they are not the same. According to the Holy Scriptures, the God of the Bible is the one true God while Allah is a false god."
Above excerpt from link:
http://www.kingmessiahproject.com/is_allah_not_God.html
AM --
What do you think about your prophet Muhammad having sex with a nine year old? I know, it's beyond disgusting, I just want you to admit it. You've avoided this question long enough, it's time you explain to the class your thoughts on this perversion.
Posted by: champ at December 2, 2008 9:28 PM
Of the 33 references to "challengingreddyneck@yahoo.com" on Google, ALL are at either FrontPage or JihadWatch. Interesting that he either uses this condescendingly named e-mail address only for dialogue with infidels, or he never "challenges" ideologically wayward Muslims at Islamic websites.
Also, TypePad sucks.
Concerned Citizen
"condescendingly named e-mail address only for dialogue with infidels"
Always trip wired for projection bias aren't you?
One of your coreligionists, A PhD in Physiscs at a Texas univerisy, challenged me and wanted me to send him the speed of light equations and the verses from the Quran that derived them.
He sent me an e-mail "reddynecker", because I told him he sounded like a red neck...and thus I responded by setting up an e-mail account titled "challengingreddyneck".
Since it takes someone with a background in physiscs to understand the equations he did, and I got his response after about a month:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/GoPostal/commentdetail.aspx?GUID=620acafa-13be-42fd-95a2-b1c482571d54&commentID=a197cdc0-cd2c-4e4b-8acb-1cf112ef9b46
It was his choice of words, not mine, you little bigot you. : )
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
"It was his choice of words, not mine, you little bigot you."
Whew. Lowering the bar a little today, Abdullah?
P.S. I couldn't be more unimpressed and bored by your "speed of light" B.S. I believe I made that clear previously.
I believe the "expert" got his ass smoked on this thread.
Posted by: DenverRodeo at December 3, 2008 12:42 PM
DenverRodeo
You are hardly worth responding to…so stereotypical I could write your responses for you entitled “Quick! Attack the source, not the fact!”
You asked for why I suspected Hindu Nationals and I posted a couple things.
It wasn’t “proof” that they were Hindu Nationals.
It was suspect evidence that they might be, the question was raised and not by me…an eye witness sent the photos and the information, and now they are all over the internet.
There is no denying he wore a Hindu Religious symbol, for whatever reason, it was there, also it was known that during the attack they drank alcohol and now drug use has come to light….further evidence of gross misconduct not allowed in Islam, even beyond the forbidden nature of their attack, is proof of un-Islamic behavior: drug use, and alcohol use.
These people, whoever they were, were just terrorists…they may have thought they were acting as “Muslims” but in truth they were not acting on anything allowed in Islam.
In order to be a Muslim you must follow Islam, and nowhere in Islam is anything they did allowed…it just isn’t.
It doesn’t matter what I post to you, the first thing you do is attack the source and attempt to discredit it…pretty sad tactic…suffice to say, you will learn nothing because you insist on learning nothing.
And here is some of the information that lends credence to Indian false flag operations of Hindu Nationalist sponsored among active duty Indian Hindu Officers:
“According to reports, Purohit told the ATS officials that he prepared the blue print of the conspiracy and provided ammunitions for the September 29 ‘revenge’ attack in Malegaon, which claimed the lives of at least six people.
The 37-year-old officer has confessed to providing the logistics and explosives to a radical Hindu outfit ‘Abhinav Bharat’, who carried out the blast. Lt Col Srikant Purohit was arrested by the Maharashtra ATS on Nov 5 in connection with the September 29 Malegaon blast.
The Army officer, who came under the scanner for his alleged role in the blasts, was stationed at the Army Education Corps Training College and Centre at Pachmarhi in Madhya Pradesh. “
“Investigators say that Colonel Purohit and Major Upadhyay were both members of Abhinav Bharat (New India), a Hindu nationalist organization founded in the western city of Pune in June 2006. “
There is a whole other world outside of your little broke-back-mountain life, so hop along little Cassidy.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Is there a particular reason your "reference" does not appear quoted in any "Western" media?
Concerned Citizen,
"P.S. I couldn't be more unimpressed and bored by your "speed of light" B.S. I believe I made that clear previously."
It does take some level of intelligence to be interested...DLF is a PhD in Nuclear Physiscs...he as interested, ran the eqautions, and agreed.
You?
Question: Why do I not find it suprising that you are bored with fact and science?
Answer: Becasue you cannot refute it with gut feelings and emotional outbursts.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
"He has not responded to the ...
Take a number."
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 3, 2008 12:52 PM
Theres a reason you know:
"Comments are turned off and archived for this entry."
Both times...I have about 800 million reasons why my time is divided, and cash has more interest to me than you do...but I am fair in adressing most of your questions.
Now why are you not sending me an e-mail?
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Is there a particular reason your "reference" does not appear quoted in any "Western" media?
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 3, 2008 2:16 PM
Yeah, there is no interest in the Western media to print it.
Similar to the tea lamp that started the train fire that lead up to the Gujarat massacre in India.
The immeidate South Asian news, Thailand in particular, a good friend of mine brought back reports the same week form there, but in Thailand they had the story correct from day one, but all over the Western media it was spun otherwise.
That's probably why...hey, I got some cash calling...chat latter.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
MIKHAIL: "Cornelius, Altruism? You either seek truth or you are just posturing in front of others. Which is it?"
RESPONSE: Neither. I'm not at all interested in pretense. I'll try to be as honest with you as I am with anyone.
My reasons: The anti-Jihad is as important to me as the Jihad is to you. I'm attempting to
1) Know my enemy
2) Appeal to whatever humanity may be left in you that Islam hasn't absconded
I am also genuinely interested in your story. Given your support for lapidation and other extremist views, I don't think it wise to enter into an email discourse with you. But if you'd like to share on an open forum like this, it would be interesting to know how you found your way to Islam.
It's up to you.
Abdullah Mikail
You said: “There is no denying he wore a Hindu Religious symbol, for whatever reason, it was there, also it was known that during the attack they drank alcohol and now drug use has come to light….further evidence of gross misconduct not allowed in Islam, even beyond the forbidden nature of their attack, is proof of un-Islamic behavior: drug use, and alcohol use.”
I disagree and here is why…
Even if you are correct, which I think you are not, about the orange wrist band, your own Islamic religion allows for all of this. The drinking (no real proof of this), Drugs, Wrist Bands, the un-Islamic clothing, is ok if in a time of war, and it is necessary for achieving an Islamic objective. In order to gain access, to confuse, and to kill the enemy you may take on the image of your enemy, and to carry forth the task at hand.
A few Examples
(1) Bukhari, Vol. 4 Book 52 No. 268
Allah's Apostle called,: "War is deceit".
(2) Volume 4, Book 52, Number 271
The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet replied, "I do (i.e. allow you)."
(3) Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05 and Sahih al-Bukhari 3.857
You can look it up yourself…after all you are a Muslim.
There are many more examples I can supply. The point is most societies, religions, cultures use deceit in warfare. That in itself is not the problem, what is the problem is Islam has a very open ended definition of what war is and what deceit is. These jihadists certainly believed it was a time of war, which is why they wore clothing not typical of a pious Muslim (the orange wrist band would be a good example), they had no beards typical of a pious Muslim, they took drugs that would make them stronger, and allow them to stay awake, etc. All these things are allowed in Islam, if it is a time of war, and it is needed in order to achieve the objectives of Islam.
How else do you get close enough to an infidel target? You can’t walk up in typical Muslim dress, sporting a large beard. How else do you get Hindus to open doors for you so you can kill them? You do it by wearing things that would give them the impression you are Hindu. There is nothing in Islam that prevents this.
Abdullah,
"I got some cash calling"
Reorganizing the Holy Land Foundation?
Interesting casting of aspersions after your "emotional" reaction, full of wishful fact-challenged thinking in assigning (not "suspecting") the guilt of Mumbai to non-Muslims. Numerous so-called "intellectuals" fall prey to Islam. Some because they married pretty Islamic women, some because they've grown senile, some because they've been bought (Keith Moore would be a good example), some simply have been misrepresented.
I'm finding it difficult to do research on Malegaon. Wiki has this
These "Hindu Nationalists", "radicals", "extremists"...perhaps it is less due to disinterest than to the fact that this is EXACTLY what is going to happen in the rest of the world if our governments lose legitimacy by not protecting us from your Islam.
Also, as previously stated, I am disinclined to use your email address secondary to previous experience with how easily these things can be traced by those with the means to do so (warning also to Cornelius, this can be staggeringly efficient). Maintaining my anonymity as long as I can allows me the lattitude to "challenge" your religion's precepts to my heart's content. BTW, found that "Bunche Report" yet? Some pre-Mohametan archaelogy? Islamic non-shaheed salvific assurance?
Cornelius,
Prepare for an exhausting, bewildering, obfuscating, circular journey. I'm still waiting for some answers myself. Whatever you already know about Islam, is what he believes. Getting him to say it is the hard part.
And TypePad sucks.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 3, 2008 3:11 PM
“Reorganizing the Holy Land Foundation”
Badabing! He’ll be here all week folks.
“So...does that make anyone who is a deist, maybe even a semi-agnostic, who isn't a "member" of an organized faith, a Muslim? What about Jews(?)” Not a short answer question.
“(I know you disdain Christian trinitarianism - still haven't read Athanasius, On the Incarnation, I bet)?”
Not yet, too busy studying other things of more interest.
“They always only believed in One God. There are several faiths like that.”
And this is Tawheed = Oneness of God.
“How do you define a "revert" or a "convert"?”
I don’t define them…other people use those words, I don’t. They are insulting labels and I don’t choose to insult people by using them.
greatcometof1577
You can not pull out of context a single hadith reference in English, or even a dozen for that matter, and come up with a legal verdict...your opinion on this matter is invalid, I am sorry.
Please go educate yourself about Islamic Rules of Engagement, its from our own intelligence community, a source you should trust:
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/pub588.pdf
There are some things one just can not do and still be on the straight path, including commit oppression, harm or frighten civilians, harm clergy in any way (yeah, that means a rabbi and his wife - cannot frighten or harm either), destroy a structure, etc. it goes on and on and on.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Concerned Citizen, we agree at least on one thing,Type Pad does suck.
Abdullah,
I hope that includes the most important thing in all Islamiyya, the the verification and vindication of all things Islamic using pre-Mohametan archaeology to corroborate, extol and glorify the Qur'an, ahadith, and seerah, edify the faithful, and repudiate the tahrif Judaic and Christian textual narratives, to their shame.
Posted by: Cornelius at December 3, 2008 12:01 PM
“Also, do you know the story of Garstein-Ross? Like you, he became a Muslim and then found his way back.”
“Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and the director of FDD's Project on Religion, Politics, and Radicalism. He is the author of the new book My Year Inside Radical Islam, which documents his time working at the Al Haramain Islamic Foundation, an international Wahhabi charity that proved to be an al-Qaeda financier.”
He is the author of the 2008 bestseller, "My Year Inside Radical Islam: A Memoir".
Sorry, he’s not like me at all…“Chaching”, what is real and what is for sale…Daveed comes with a price tag.
Not real.
Look at it this way, once one understands gravity one can not ever return to ignorance…gravity is what it is…deny it, disbelieve in it, pretend you have changed your mind about it for some worldly benefit, and still, all around you the influence of gravity is on everything, and when the carpet is pulled from under your feet you will fall under its influence.
One cannot discover the truth and then return to ignorance.
I believe that people like Daveed were never truly believers, and that there have always been such as this, “enter in the morning leave in the evening” they get what they came for, and he seems to have gotten what he wanted and left.
In life you get what you seek, especially if you work for it. God does not hold back…if a person desires only the life of this world that is what they will get.
If you ask me, and you did, Daveed selling the life of the hereafter at the price of a few years on the best sellers list…well, that is a very poor trade indeed.
I did find of him however one redeeming comment:
The First Openly Muslim Priest
By Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, Thursday, July 19, 2007, 8:35 AM
“Rather, at its best, interfaith dialogue can help people build relationships of understanding, respect, and cooperation even though they adhere to faiths that cannot simultaneously be true.”
A friend of mine was in the Baptist Ministry well on his way to becoming a priest and he said that the wanted to be the best Christian he could ever be.
After reading the Quran he stated that becoming a Muslim was the only way he could do it.
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
Mikhail,
You're making the erroneous assumption that Garstein-Ross took the path he did for money.
I read his book...Islam left him spiritually empty (not hard to imagine); Christianity filled him. This occurred long before he ever entertained the idea of writing a book to tell his story.
His pursuit of a living through his writing is no different than your own oft-stated pursuit of "cash".
As for "gravity"...an open mind would continue to be receptive to spiritual inspiration and enlightenment from multiple sources. Why put all your eggs in one basket?
Well, for one, I am glad he got out of the Christian ministry, because we have enough false Christians in teaching and ministry positions. Christianity teaches that good works are produced by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, not the end goal themselves. Seek God and His righteousness, and everything else will take care of itself. Become a REAL Christian, and you will do good works.
What a total taqiyya-fest that sentence was. Bukhari 4.52.220
Abdullah Mikail
You said: “There are some things one just can not do and still be on the straight path, including commit oppression, harm or frighten civilians, harm clergy in any way (yeah, that means a rabbi and his wife - cannot frighten or harm either), destroy a structure, etc. it goes on and on and on.”
Wow! Is that it? That is your response! That is your evidence?
Give me some Islamic scholars, or historians who will back up what you are saying. The link you provided is a work that is flawed. I read that along time ago. This is not just my opinion, but the opinion of many of your Muslim brothers. Do you think Jihadist in Pakistan, or Arabia, give a rats ass what Youssef H. Aboul-Enein, and Sherifa Zuhur think? One is a Navy Medical Service Corps lieutenant serving an Infidel master, and the other is a woman! Really don’t give me the semi-dhimmified U.S. Government line as your only evidence for what you say. I mean who has the more important interpretation: Sayyid Qutb or Sherifa Zuhur?
With that said, after all it has been a long time since I did read it, so will YOU provide me with the passages that back up what you claim. I am not going re-read 39 plus pages tonight to try to determine where your claims come from. This is your defense of Islam, not mine.
Some quotes from Islamic Leaders, Historians and Others (Past and Present on the subject of Deception in War)
(1) From the Holy Land Foundation Terrorist Financing Trial
http://counterterrorismblog.org/site-resources/images/camo.pdf
Shukri Abu Baker "Deceive, camouflage. Pretend that you’re leaving while you’re walking that way. Deceive your enemy."
Omar Ahmad: ..,”This is like one who plays basketball; he makes a player believe that he is doing this while he does something else ... I agree with you. Like they say; politics is a completion of war.”
Shukri Abu Baker: “Yes, politics - like war - is a deception.”
(2) Quran 3.28
YUSUFALI (3.28): Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
See for quotes below: http://blog.americancongressfortruth.com/2008/11/14/islams-doctrines-of-deception/
Raymond Ibrahim writes below quoting for example Ibn Kathir, Al-Tabari, and others…
Al-Tabari’s (d. 923) famous Tafsir (exegesis of the Koran) is essentially a standard reference work in the entire Muslim world. Regarding 3:28, he writes: “If you [Muslim] are under their [infidels’] authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them, with your tongue, while harboring inner animosity for them…. Allah has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels in place of believers—except when infidels are above them [in authority]. In such a scenario, let them act friendly towards them.”
Regarding 3:28,” Ibn Kathir (d. 1373, second only to Tabari) writes, “Whoever at any time or place fears their [infidels’] evil, may protect himself through outward show.” As proof of this, he quotes Muhammad’s companions: Abu Darda said “Let us smile to the face of some people while our hearts curse them”; while al-Hassan said, “Doing taqiyya is acceptable till the Day of Judgment [I.e., in perpetuity].”
Other prominent ulema, such as al-Qurtubi , al-Razi, and al-Arabi have extended taqiyya to cover deeds. In other words, Muslims can behave like infidels—including by bowing down and worshipping idols and crosses, false testimony, even exposing Muslims’ “weak spots” to the infidel enemy—anything short of actually killing a fellow Muslim.”
(3) Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05
Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).
According to Imam Abu Hammid Ghazali (Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745)
"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible."
See for more: http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/L/lying.html
The point is you keep acting like this is some kind of secret Zionist-Hindu conspiracy. I have presented evidence that the prohibitions you keep describing may not prevent this kind of attack, at least in the eyes of many Muslims around the world, who think that this is a war. In a war, or conflict, to advance the flag of Islam, lying, and deception for the cause is ok. You act like this is not true, yet you provide no evidence why it is not true. Tell me why Ghazali, Ibn Kathir, Al-Tabari, and the Muslim Brotherhood are wrong, or at least how you claim I have misinterpreted them. Maybe I have, or others have for me, but I will not take your word for it without some evidence. You, just like me, have no real authority. Do you have a massive following of Muslims listening to your every word? Are you an authority just because you claim to be a Muslim? Give me evidence….
TIME FOR PAKISTAN TO "FISH OR CUT BAIT" ON FIGHTING THE JIHAD.THEY CAN'T BE ON BOTH SIDES!
Silly greatcomet,
Abdullah has already disqualified Qutb for us on technicality: he was not married.
Concerned Citizen
Yea, I just looked it up..he did.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/GoPostal/commentdetail.aspx?GUID=3790e93e-99f7-4235-b1f5-3a61aab38ae0&commentID=987919cd-69d6-4a05-a5f9-e022c247f319
Go figure...I like how he flung several "Islamic heros" under the bus just because he was in trouble. Not only did he wack poor Qutb, he proceeded to act like he never heard of al Zawahiri, Yusuf al Qaradawi, and others! Either he has his own brand of Islam that only he follows, or he is in serious denial about what his fellow muslims do, or he is practicing an exteame form of taqiyya, in which he denies that these folks are even Muslim! I dare him to go to the tribal areas of Pakistan and say "al Zawahiri sucks!".
that's right, what the likes of al zawiri, choudary etc say represents real Islam , they know their satanic book just as well as AM (if not more) , their opinions have "authority" and they have a lot of followers
He also doesn't like Ibn Hisham.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022924.php#c585447
This is wrong.
This thread opened as a bit of an homage to two slain innocents and their orphaned boy.
And now it has become disgusting and shameful as Abdullah delightfully masturbates in front of all of us.
This makes me sick.
Posted by: greatcometof1577
“Wow! Is that it? That is your response! That is your evidence?”
There is a point where a person is so far wrong nothing will bring them back to the center and then send them in the right direction…no amount of lecture, references, material... nothing will do it.
You are one example, the other is the people who attacked in Mumbai…two birds of a feather.
You are about as lost as a person can get through cherry picking English translations of meaning out of context.
There is a context to everything and that is what gives it its meaning…your problem, and others here, is they take it out of context and try to give it a universal application…wrong…that is how you get it wrong…that is how idiots that commit violence get it wrong.
It’s a waste of time trying to teach you anything if you can’t learn it on your own.
“The point is you keep acting like this is some kind of secret Zionist-Hindu conspiracy.”
Are you paying attention? Obviously not, at least CC and Cornelius can follow a thread...that was put into serious doubt long ago, get with the program, alright?
Drugs, alcohol, oppression, violence towards clergy, harming civilians...none of this is allowed, and I don't give a damn how many out of context quotes you or anyone else brings up...there is no way to justify this...it is simply evil committed and people try to pull the guise of religion over it...just because they are wrong and you are wrong doesn't change the fact that the action is wrong and not allowed.
Look in every book of hadith literature you pick up you will find this in there. "Return it to the Quran if it does not stand up to that test throw it out."
But you are not able to do this because you can't understand what it means in the first place.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
RE: "Following a thread"
Abdullah, much as I would like to get belated answers to my questions above, I would now rather see you respond to undaunted above.
Abdullah Mikail
Does this mean you surrender? What would Khalid bin Al-Waleed say?
I could have made up what I said above, maybe not, I could be right, or I could be wrong, but it does not matter. You have not presented a convincing argument to why anyone who accepts Islam should not be a Jihadist. How can you present a convincing argument to those who say Quran 9.29 is for all times and places? How would you have explained to the Mumbai killers that they are wrong? Could you have changed their minds? Those people who you dislike so much, and their interpretations, like Sayyid Qutb, are winning out, because people like you come on websites like this, and complain that we are a bunch of Islamophobes who just don’t understand.
Why are you here? Why not go to Egypt, “Palestine”, Lebanon, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Somalia, and explain to them why you have it right and, all those Jihadist and who those countries support, are wrong. Explain to them why those that blow up pizza joints in Israel, kill Jewish Rabbis in India, fly planes into buildings in the USA, slaughter school children in Russia, behead Buddhist ice cream makers in Thailand, stone 13 year old girls to death in Somalia, hang “bad girls” in Iran, etc etc..and in each case those that commit the act hold up a Quran, and normally give detailed justifications on why they did it based on the Quran, ahadith, etc.
How can you change our hearts, when you can’t even change the hearts of those in the same faith you profess to believe in? So next time you want to troll on this site, tell us how we are wrong, why not first explain to those fellow Muslims, who wage Jihad in places like Mumbai, why they are wrong? If you don’t…the clash of civilizations is enviable…
Abdullah is like a black hole: a dead star that sucks everything in.
Black Hole Troll
Abdullah Mikail
Careful there, champ, that talk of "black holes" will start him prattling about imagined hidden secrets of the Qur'an again, when he should be wondering to himself why he is here disrupting a thread about Muslim victims, instead of witnessing for his "peaceful" Shariah-compliant Islam to his murderous brethren.
Ali Sina destroying the myth of Qur'anic encoding of the speed of light.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina80229.htm
undaunted
what you said.
And doesn't that, in fact, tell us everything?
Mohammedans do something absolutely hideous, purely evil - murder a defenceless pregnant woman and her husband, most likely right in front of the couple's toddler son.
We sit down to reflect upon this, to honor the blessed dead, so cruelly murdered by jihadists, and gather our resolve.
And along comes the Mohammedan - not sure whether to refer to him as a Boggart or a Dementor - and exhibits malevolent narcissism all over the place, posing and preening and spouting all the same silly da'wa arguments we've heard from every Mohammedan who's ever posted here.
Robert's posting has been proven right in spades:"See what he [A. M.] does when confronted with the pure evil of the Mumbai jihadists. I for my part think it is highly illuminating, especially coming from an American convert to Islam."
Anyway - undaunted - I did my best to honor the dead.
Did you check out the youtube links I posted?
One is a Jewish choir in Israel performing Adonai el-ro-i., ' The Lord is my shepherd', from Bernstein's Chichester Psalms. The little Jewish boy who sings the solo part has the most heavenly voice I've ever heard.
The other is the closing montage from the Polish director Kieslowski's '3 Colours: Blue'; his composer 'Preisner's' setting of large parts of 1 Corinthians 13. Watch carefully: one of the scenes is a pregnant woman having an ultrasound...Kieslowski shows us the image of the child in the womb, as this exquisite Polish soprano sings (in Greek)...'pistis elpis agape, ta tria tanta', 'faith, hope, love [charity], these three', and then, 'meizon de touton he agape' - 'greatest of these is charity'.
Psalm 23 and 1 Corinthians 13. Set to music that is a manifestation of heaven on earth.
Perhaps one of the Indian posters, if they revisit this thread, can find something ravishingly beautiful out of Indian non-Muslim tradition - a woman dancing, maybe, or a traditional song, or footage of the diwali celebrations.
I did a little googling around and found some beautiful expressions of Hindu Indian culture (at least, I don't know enough about it to be able to judge, but they look and sound beautiful to me...)
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/indian-classical-dance-katthak/2606215479
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/indian-classical-dance-kuchipudi-by-elena-tarasova-russia/32264368/?icid=VIDURVANI03
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/indian-classical-dance-kuchipudi-by-elena-tarasova-russia/3802912854/?icid=VIDURVANI01
And, to go with them, as a variation on the theme of divine eros:
the ancient Jewish hymn that refers to the 'Sabbath Bride'.
http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2008/01/a-hebraica-blog.html
http://www.amit.org.il/musagim/moreshet/moreshet_13/Lechadodi.mp3
Affirmation of life, of love, of the feminine, of Hagia Sophia, Holy Wisdom, the divine glory.
Dumbles;
I think all your postings were/are wonderful.
Thanks... I guess for many if not all of us.
So Mumbai won't happen here and there will be no crying children.
http://freemendo.typepad.com/