As usual, much more telling details concerning so-called Muslim/Christian "clashes" in Egypt have been exposed. Compare the following account of the recent (and rabid) Muslim riots caused by Copts merely congregating and praying in a factory, with this one from the Egyptian paper, Al-Masri Al-Yawm ("Egypt Today"), which made both the Copts and Muslims appear equally guilty, equally "intolerant."
"Religion today," by Maggie Michael for the Associated Press, December 3:
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) — Early in the morning two Sundays ago, hundreds of Christian Egyptians quietly slipped into a former underwear factory where they had discreetly set up a church and held their first service. Bells rang and hymns were sung.Funny how this is worded: one would think that here are two equal instances where both Christians and Muslims were on the offensive. Yet the Muslim man "killed in clashes over the expansion of a Coptic Orthodox monastery" is a gross oversimplification. He, as well as some 60 Muslims, attacked and defiled the monastery, and kidnapped and tortured several monks. How he died is a "mystery," though the police, as is their custom, have arrested (and are torturing) a couple of Christian brothers. As for Muslims torching "Christian villagers' homes because a priest was seen holding Mass inside a house," well, that's about all there is to it.A crowd of angry Muslims quickly gathered, threw stones at the building and burned banners that said, "No to the church." They tried to storm the gates, clashed with police and chanted, "The church has fallen, the priest is dead," according to witnesses.
In fact, no one died, but 13 people were reported injured. For Egyptians in general, the incident in the blue-collar district of Ain Shams served as a warning that Muslim-Christian clashes, largely confined to the south of the country in recent years, have seeped into the capital.[...]
Two incidents this summer underscore the problem. In one southern city, a Muslim man was killed in clashes over the expansion of a Coptic Orthodox monastery, and Muslims torched Christian villagers' homes because a priest was seen holding Mass inside a house, according to the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, a rights group.
Christians, an estimated 10 percent of Egypt's 79 million people, have long complained of government restrictions on building new churches.In accordance to the Pact of Omar, "ratified" nearly 14 centuries ago between the second caliph and the conquered Christians of the Near East. Still, not good enough for today's Muslims.To build a church or even renovate an existing one, clearance is needed from several security agencies and government bodies, and often is refused.
A church can't be built near a mosque, but "near" is not defined. And nothing prevents Muslims from building a mosque near a church, even without a permit. As a result, most of Cairo's churches are surrounded by mosques, often bigger and taller.
Egyptian Christians don't have enough churches to accommodate their numbers, so they hold informal services in community centers, bookstores or homes.
"There is this psychological terrorism from Islamists that prevents local authorities from demolishing illegally built mosques and complicates permit procedures for Copts," says Youssef Sidhom, the editor of Watani, a newspaper run by members of the Coptic Orthodox Church, Egypt's main Christian denomination.
In Ain Shams, where about 4,000 Christian families are vastly outnumbered by Muslims, congregants bought the factory three years ago and quietly began setting up their church.
They say they needed a new facility because their 40-year-old Church of the Virgin Mary nearby could only accommodate a quarter of the congregation.
According to Father Anthony, the priest who led the church's first and only service so far, everything was done quietly. No crosses or other religious symbols were put on the exterior.
A Muslim resident who gave her name as Umm Toqa said she never realized what was going on in the building. "I thought that there were ghosts inside as lights turned on at night. We could only hear sounds but saw nobody," she said.Others caught on, however. Muslims bought a parking lot across the street and started building a mosque — one of about five within a few blocks. It was from these mosques that the angry crowd rallied when word spread that the Copts were at prayer.
But at their first service, the Christians announced their presence with bells and hymns — even distributing chocolates outside the building — apparently hoping the church would be accepted as a fait accompli. Instead, the riot erupted.
Anthony ended up being led out of the church protected by police while the mob hurled insults and stones.
The factory building's doors are chained shut, and the Coptic Church has said that to avoid further trouble it will not seek to hold services there. But Father Anthony is still shocked at the Muslim reaction.
"Would they tear the factory down if it was turned into a theater or a nightclub?" he said.
Only one thing comes to mind when I read about Islam's religious tolerance and upholding Human rights: "Penn & Teller's Bullshit".
-AYo Gorkhali
Actually, I think they might tear it down if it were a factory or a nightclub, as always happens when societies throughly Islamize. That's the way Abul Kasem tells it. But no, not immediately and not with such ferocity.
This all stems from jealousy. Muslim hatred of Christians and Jews is not rooted in fear. They resent the cohesiveness of the Christian community. When they're terrorizing Copts is the only time they ever experience anything like that, and it's, uh, not the same thing. They probably envy the beautiful hymns (although I have a hard imagining any music sounding good in Arabic, but it can't worse than a cat-vomiting, gota-strangling muezzin). They also resent the fact that Christians can worship without degrading themselves, even if they have to do it bookstores or factories or wherever. Muslims have to continually contract every imaginable strain of foot fungus on their hands and faces just to worship at a mosque. So demeaning. Oh, and they only get to listen to sermons of hatred and evil, whereas in the churches it's just the opposite. It has to be. The Copts' ability to rise above all thins must come from somewhere. It may be different in Egypt, but I've been watching Coptic church services in Kenya for my field methods class on the Luo and they look like a lot of fun. People sing great music and dance. Way better than any Catholic service I ever attended in high school.
The only time I put my face on the ground is when I have to wrangle my 21 1/2-year-old kitty cat out from under the bed to give him his sub-q fluids. I would never do that for a genocidal moon-god of evil.
I think we must keep pretty much the same hours, Raymond. You must have an early class too, so you probably sleep from about 6-7 to about 1-2, like me. Do you know anything about the real Coptic population in Egypt by chance? I ask because Ibn Misr from Sons of Apes and Pigs (wherever he went, since the site hasn't been updated since last summer) swears up and down that the Coptic population is no less than 18%. I'm inclined to believe him based on the Muslim Egyptians I know, who more than serve to undermine consang.net's stats on Egyptian consanguinity, which is an entirely Muslim phenomenon. If it's 18% then the Muslims have more like 48% consanguinity, which seems about right to me, based on their looks and intelligence relative to that of every Copt I've ever seen, met, heard of, or read about. There's a world of difference.
"A church can't be built near a mosque, but "near" is not defined."
From the first part of the article, I guess it has to be more than a "stone's throw" away.
Oh, c'mon--Someone had to say it.
Jdamn:
It is true: all the Copts I have known have insisted that their numbers are greater than the "official" numbers given by the Egyptian government.
The picture captions on the AP article are interesting - they all say "a church they'd secretly been setting up inside." In fact they had permission, which is hardly secret. The article text says 'discreetly'. I think the photographer, Nasser Nasser, wrote the caption.