As expected (happily, JW gets to keep its state-of-the-art Maxwell Roadster, which Robert placed in bet), CAIR responds appropriately: "CAIR Files DOT Complaint After Muslims Kicked Off AirTran Flight," from the Earth Times, January 2:
WASHINGTON, Jan. 2 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) following an incident Thursday in which nine Muslim passengers were removed from an AirTran Airways flight at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.[...]Maybe not, but this begs the question: why were/are travelers apprehensive of flying with Muslims in the first place? Could it be that, since 1984, 20 of the 27 airplane hijackings have been carried out by Muslims? Moreover, since 9/11, the lion’s share of dramatic and fatal terrorist attacks carried around the world—such as the Bali nightclub bombing, where 202 were killed, or the Madrid train bombings, where 191 killed, or the Chechen hostage crisis, where 344 civilians, including 186 children were killed, or the London train bombings, where 52 were killed, or the Sharm al-Sheikh bombings, where 64 were killed, or most recently the Mumbai bombings, where some 200 were killed, not to mention 9/11's 3,000—have all been committed by Muslims? Maybe CAIR should investigate this "phenomenon" first, before insisting that obvious Muslim males and little old women should be perceived by airport security equally?In its DOT complaint, CAIR wrote:
"It is incumbent on any airline to ensure that members of the traveling public are not singled out or mistreated based on their perceived race, religion or national origin. We believe this disturbing incident would never have occurred had the Muslim passengers removed from the plane not been perceived by other travelers and airline personnel as members of the Islamic faith."
"There is a big difference between 'see something, say something,' which we all support, and reporting suspicions based solely on stereotyping and bias," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad.The problem with waiting to "say something" until you actually "see something," is that you will probably be too little too late to make a difference.
Awad said CAIR publishes a "Know Your Rights and Responsibilities" pocket guide that includes advice for airline passengers who believe they have been treated in a discriminatory manner.The guide states: "As an airline passenger, you are entitled to courteous, respectful and non-stigmatizing treatment by airline and security personnel. You have the right to complain about treatment that you believe is discriminatory." It also recommends that passengers ask for the names of all persons involved in an incident and to ask specifically if they have been singled out because of their "name, looks, dress, race, ethnicity, faith, or national origin."
CAIR, America's largest Islamic civil liberties group, has 35 offices and chapters nationwide and in Canada. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.
CONTACT: CAIR National Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper, 202-488- 8787 or 202-744-7726, E-Mail: ihooper@cair.com; CAIR Communications Coordinator Amina Rubin, 202-488-8787, E-Mail: arubin@cair.com
Think of it this way: We as non-muslims are taught by groups like CAIR that muslims are violence-prone creatures who are stimulated by the foreign policy of countries like Israel and the USA to commit acts of terrorism. Since Israel just invaded Gaza, shouldn't every non-muslim be on edge that somewhere, sometime, a typical liberty-loving muslim could just metamorphasize into a bloodthirsty terrorist because of this recent "root-cause" perpetrated by Israel?
Isn't this what CAIR teaches us with every press-release condemning the U.S. and Israel, or all of their "ya, but.." condemnations of Islamic terrorist attacks?
"Moreover, since 9/11, the lion’s share of dramatic and fatal terrorist attacks carried around the world—such as the Bali nightclub bombing, where 202 were killed, or the Madrid train bombings, where 191 killed, or the Chechen hostage crisis, where 344 civilians, including 186 children were killed, or the London train bombings, where 52 were killed, or the Sharm al-Sheikh bombings, where 64 were killed, or most recently the Mumbai bombings, where some 200 were killed, not to mention 9/11's 3,000—have all been committed by Muslims?"
Don't forget all the plots to mass murder us which thankfully were stopped in time: they count too.
There is a big difference between 'see something, say something,' which we all support, and reporting suspicions based solely on stereotyping and bias," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad.
Awad wasn't on that flight and he has no idea what the muslims said or did to attract attention, arouse suspicion, and ultimately get kicked off of the flight. Unless, that is, he helped them choreograph their little skit which was probably designed to see how far they could push the other passengers before they were reported. I believe that all of these incidents involving muslims on planes are preplanned, deliberate, and part of an organized campaign to force diversity training on companies, play the victim card to elicit sympathy and more stringent hate speech laws, generate huge sums of money in illegitimate lawsuits, and generally weaken and undermine confidence in our airlines and airport security. Several of the muslim passengers in question were attorneys; isn't that coincidental?
Why can't muslims board their flights, find their seats, and sit down and and quietly discuss wife-beating in Arabic? I guess they were warming up for their "religious" conference and/or their participation in the anti-Israel demonstrations. Another legal battle to win special privileges for hostile muslims is on the horizon, at our expense (in more ways than one).
Eventually, complaints about suspicious muslim behavior will be ignored by airline officials because every time they treat these reports as potentially credible, they are dragged through the courts, fined, treated like criminals, and forced to bear the humiliation of "diversity" training by the maggots at CAIR. Doing business with muslims is not profitable for anyone but muslims and they will bankrupt many honest businesses with their false accusations of bigotry. The airlines and their passengers are now at the mercy of the terrorists at CAIR and this is bound to adversely influence the ticket-buying public sooner or later.
I figured CAIR would get involved...Next come the lawsuits, against the airline, the flight crew, the Federal Marshals on board, airport security, the tarmac crew, all those kufr passengers, the baggage handlers, ticket clerks, porters, and Robert Spencer, because Hooper really wanted that Maxwell...
When CAIR can speak to their own, anti-everything that isn't Islam ideology...
then they will be taken seriously and real dialogue may begin. As a criminal enterprise, I doubt that they should speak for anyone.
But it seems that they are not interested in getting along with the other people of the world which include Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Buddahists among others. Under any circumstance.
Here's my travel guide for non-Muslims, "As an airline passenger, you are entitled to courteous, respectful and non-stigmatizing treatment by airline and security personnel. You have the right to complain about treatment that you believe is discriminatory." It also recommends that passengers ask for the names of all persons involved in an incident and to ask specifically if they have been singled out because of their "name, looks, dress, race, ethnicity, faith, or national origin."
Yes, I know it is CAIR's guide, but two can play this game. Remember CAIR, the sword cuts both ways.
The Islamic family thrown off the plane is financially liable, to the other passengers, for creating the environment that resulted in delays to their travel plans.
The way I see it, somebody ought to sue the Islamic family for making the statements in the first place. If there were no off color comments, there would have been no delays.
The Islamists made their bed, let them lie in it.
The adverse affect on this ticket-buyer has been that I now fly as little as I can get away with, precisely because of the added time and the security issues. Maybe you're right, chainsaw, and we should all file a class-action suit against CAIR, et. al., for all those extra hours spent on this when flying. Not to mention the cost, as Hugh frequently points out.
(And it's good to see you commenting here again, susanp. You're a perceptive poster.)
?? So I'm a little confused - can someone fill me in? I thought CAIR was no longer a legit organization due to their failure to file the proper paperwork to remain a non-profit. Is this still true?
If so, then what gives them the "right" to file any type of complaint for anyone?
On the contrary, Susanp, I could see this backfiring. It won't, but it would if I had been on that flight. Both sides can play legal jihad. The airline handled the situation perfectly until they apologized. They are not at fault for anything except their apology and for not telling CAIR to f off.
A whole planeload of passengers were delayed for almost two hours and forced to sit on a plane that they thought a bomb was on, since they said, loudly, "I wonder where the safest place to sit is when a bomb goes off". Children watched terrorist (and they ARE terrorists if they make people sit on a plane which they lead to believe has a bomb on it, thereby terrorizing people) psychopaths spit and curse at air marshals. People missed connecting flights. There would be a class action suit against that family had I been on that flight.
I also seriously doubt that it's legal for that woman to have even gotten on a flight with whatever horrible disease she had all over her face (and no doubt her hands, since she of course picked it up from a prayer mat). I would drag the WHO into it. Then again, I'm a litigious bitch and I refuse to allow Mohammedans and their enablers to inconvenience me, let alone violate my rights (I mean, after the full hour of security crap you have to go through because of Muslims every time you get on a flight).
Jimmy the Dhimmi, every time Muslims, their terror-network front groups, and leftists try to justify Mohammedan violence, misbehavior, and suspicious activity they prove just what evil psychopaths and how truly untrustworthy they really are. CAIR: continually proving why we're not safe as long as Mohammedans live in America.
The problem with waiting to "say something" until you actually "see something," is that you will probably be too little too late to make a difference. - from Raymond's comments on the article above.
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And then, if those scumbags had actually done something that had cost a few dozen innocent lives, what could we expect CAIR to do?
I'm 100% sure they would condemn not what their fellow slaves of allah did, but ask the general public to think about what infidel actions caused the grievances that drove those terrorists to do what they did. And, by their rationale, the blame would lie with those who angered their fellow members of the umma.
Talk about an utter lack of moral clarity and notions of responsibility for one's own actions...
CAIR wrote:
Slightly amending jdamn, Fox news is reporting that the "innocent" and "misunderstood" comment was "I wonder where the safest place to sit is when the bomb goes off?"
If you start talking about "the bomb" on the plane that you're sitting, you're gonna be in big trouble, whatever your religion or country of origin.
These morons weren't kicked off because of their religion, they were kicked off because of their behavior.
Thank you for your correction, special_guest.