Father Zakaria Botros on "The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet," Part II

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This being the continuation of Fr. Botros' examination of Muhammad's sexual morality (or lack thereof). See here for Part I. Last we left the priest and his co-host, the former noted that, "No less than 20 Islamic sources—such as the hadiths of Ahmad bin Hanbal—relay that Muhammad used to suck on the tongues of boys and girls.”

Botros proceeded to read aloud from various sources, such as a hadith relayed by Abu Hurreira (deemed an extremely reliable narrator), where Muhammad sucked on the tongues of his cousin (and future caliph) Ali’s two boys, Hassan and Hussein—they of revered Shia memory.

Next he read a hadith of Muhammad sucking on the tongue of his own daughter, Fatima. Fr Botros also added that the Arabic word for “suck” (muss) cannot, as some apologists insist, mean anything but “suck.” “After all,” added the perspicacious priest, “this is the same word used when discussing Muhammad’s 'activities' with his wives, especially his beloved child-bride, Aisha.”

With an extremely disgusted look on his face, Botros turned towards the camera and said: “Dear lady, imagine, for a moment, coming home to find your husband sucking on your daughter’s tongue? What would you do? It’s even worse: it’s your prophet—the most “morally upright” man, a man to be emulated by the world! A man who on record used to go around sucking the tongues of his wives, his daughters, and young boys: Are these the activities of the man described in the Koran as being the pinnacle of moral perfection?”

Cohost: “More!”

“Muhammad would not sleep until he kissed his daughter Fatima and nuzzled his face in her bosom [the priest provided the appropriate sources]. Dear lady! what would you say to your husband sleeping with his face in your daughter’s breast—is that the height of morality?!”

At this point, Fr Botros, looking downcast, began apologizing profusely, saying he could only imagine how all these anecdotes must be troubling for Muslims, to which the co-host reassured him: “It’s not your fault, father, but rather the fault of those Muslims recording these vile incidences. Either way: Muslims must know. More please.”

Botros continued reading more revealing hadiths, including one from the Musnad of Ahmad bin Hanbal, which records Muhammad seeing a 2-3 year old girl in her mother’s arms. Muhammad was so “impressed” by her that he said, “By Allah, if this girl reaches marrying age and I am still alive, I will surely marry her.”

Another hadith goes on to say that Muhammad ended up dying before this particular girl reached marriage age, to which the by now vexed priest, unable to contain himself, exclaimed, “Awwww! Poor prophet! He missed one!”

Botros then told viewers to keep this last hadith in mind, for “context,” as he read another hadith from the Sunan of Bin Said, which records Muhammad saying “I hugged so-and-so when she was a child and found that I greatly desired her.”

“What prophet is this you follow?!” cried the outraged Coptic priest. “Where is his morality? This is the man that Muslims follow slavishly? Use your minds!”

It was late in the night, yet Fr Botros was not done cataloging his findings regarding the prophet’s “sexual” habits (these shows are an hour and a half long). So, when he moved on to a hadith depicting Muhammad lying next to a dead woman in her grave, as well as pointing to hadith categories called “intercourse with a dead woman,” I happily turned off the satellite and called it a night—till this moment, as I am (somewhat reluctantly) revisiting my notes to prepare this report.

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Hadith concerning intercourse with a dead woman???? We already knew Muhammad would boink anything that moved - but hey! why limit yourself?

The "Cohost" idea is a good one, like a tag team, both adding to the shows clever use of a whitness.

A bold stab of truth aginst islam, using it's own teachings to bring light to the masses.

I certainly admire them for their forthrightness. Too many of us in America know the truth but are willing to do very little to fight for it. (Or perhaps just don't know what to do.)

Can you say Mental Spiritual Illness?!

Keep in mind the fact that these writings are sourced from excepted Islamic texts.

Though it is common knowledge that Islam commonly brings out the most base aspects of human nature, this is truly beyond the pale.

Thanks for this, Raymond.

Likewise, thank you Raymond for this: Disgusting, perverse nevertheless.

When the Holy Spirit descended on the Christian disciples, they spoke in tongues. When the spirit moved Mohammed, he sucked them.

In 1930s one Indian named Raj Pal published a book called 'Rangila Rasool' (the colourful prophet) and was murdered brutally by a Muslim (So was another Indian Nathuram for writing 'History of Islam' around same time- a reminder for those who consider Jehad a recent backfire of US/Israel policies). And that was a fairy tale compared to what Fr. Botros is revealing. This man is really one of the boldest walking on the planet. I wish him a safe future.

I told you guys that Islam sanctions the sexual abuse of one's children. It's in the Koran too: 2:223.

As for the dead woman thing, I'm not familiar with the more obscure Hadiths, but I have long suspected that there had to have been something like that in Islamic texts since the phenomenon of raping women's corpses was so pervasive in India that the Hindu widows would throw themselves on their husbands' funeral pyre. They committed suicide in order to avoid becoming a sex slave to jihadis (which is the loftiest goal of Muslim women, sincethat's their ideal afterlife), but they couldn't just poison themselves because the jihadis would have their way with their corpses.

Islam's cute.

Thanks again, Raymond.

Good information. The Aisha thing wasn't a "once off" - Mohammad really was a serial pedophile. I'm thinking ... [raises and curls little finger].

It'd be nice if someone could actually write down the full references for these hadiths -- sourcea, chapter and verse. I mean, if I try to tell a Muslim these things and he asks me for proof, I'm not going to get far by saying, "well Father Botros said so".

Mohammed disallowed His followers to to masturbate.

This didn't effect Him personally though due to the fact that the revelations He made up cleared the way for Him to satisfy His own sexual urges in nearly every way possible under the sun. He Himself didn't have to jerk off occasionally like the average human being does when they can't get laid.

Makes ya wonder how many of His loyal followers instead eagerly turned to rape, child molestation, Etc., Etc., Etc.

Ebonystone

That was funny. I read about that a some time ago.but forgot. Quran 65:4 says Muslims can have sex with babies.

Ebonystone

That was funny. I read about that a some time ago.but forgot. Quran 65:4 says Muslims can have sex with babies.

DenverRodeo, staringattheview.blogspot.com may very well transcribe the whole thing. She's a badass like that.

Thanks for that, Raymond.

This report also speaks volumes about islamic/arab values. Not too long ago, in a discussion that took place here about whether or not mohammed-the-pedophile existed, someone pointed out that if he was indeed just a myth, put together to lend ideological support for arab territorial conquests, who on Earth would have concocted such a monster as the supposed epitome of human perfection?

Well, that can only again lead me to conclude that necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, rape and the rest of the mohammedan package (just to mention stuff related to sexual issues) certainly reflect values that arabs deem perfect.

By the way, where's Dinesh D'Souza when we need him to comment on islamic moral values?

“Awwww! Poor prophet! He missed one!”

- from the article

LOL
I just can't believe they are getting away with this in the belly of the ummah beast.
God bless and keep these brave men safe.

This is real Christianity at work; spreading the TRUTH about Islam, regardless of idiotic PC considerations and all the modern, progressive, why-can't-we-all-just-get-along, kumbaya, humanist, feel-good nonsense.

"Muhammad laying next to a dead woman in her grave"? That's where you ended the article? Is this supposed to be a cliffhanger? Please continue with "When last we left our intrepid hero Fr Botros..."

I'm wondering if this perversion is even among the 653 hateful, murderous hadith listed by Jamal al Banna (brother of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood) that he says should be stricken from Islam because they inspire Muslims to commit mass murder and crimes against women and children.

Banning these hadith is my concise test for Muslims who claim to be non-terrorists. If they cannot even agree to Banna's moderate proposal, they are indeed MUSLIM TERRORISTS.

Father Botros is a very brave man indeed! I bet there is a jihadist sharpening his scimtar with Botros' name on it as we write.

First of its kind operation where women Jihadis are trained in hundreds.

Pakistan's ISI training women for terrorism

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Pakistans_ISI_training_women_for_terrorism/rssarticleshow/3976775.cms

I have seen this sort of thing before - and funnily enough, from a man as brave and truthful as our Father Butros. There once was a German journalist called Leopold Schwarzschild. Before and after World War One, he had fought Prussian militarism and immoralism. From 1930 to the end of World War Two, he became one of the greatest German enemies of Nazism, and his book World in Trance is said to have had a great impact on Winston Churchill. (And to have infuriated HG Wells, which is nearly as good.) After the war was over, he turned on Marxism, and wrote one of the most important lives of Karl Marx ever written. His The Red Prussian, published in 1948, shocked everyone who read it with its relentless description of Marx's bullying, chicanery, dishonesty, power thirst and assorted vices. (Although if I were to choose, I would say that Engels was the worse of the two friends, and the originator of all the worst features of the ideology.) And here is the point: there was nothing that could be said in answer to Schwarzschild, because all his evidence came from Marx' and Engels' own correspondence. It had just been published by Soviet Communists in the expectation that it would actually increase the respect of the world for their hero. In Schwarzschild's own words: "...a collection of [the letters of Marx and Engels] was published shortly before the first World War by the German Socialist party. But this collection, as it turned out later, was deliberately and carefully purged of everything which could place Marx in an unfavourable light. Hundreds of letters were omitted, in countless others sentences and even whole paragraphs were cut out, while in hundreds of others compromsing expressions were changed. It is hard to understand what prompted the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow to supersede this piously falsified collection with a complete unvarnished edition. Apparently the mental and moral schism between Soviet Russia and the rest of the world" [these words were written in 1948] "had grown so deep that the editors were not even conscious that they were doing a poor service to the memory of their hero..."

There you have it: people, in the service of a military and murderous empire (the early Caliphate and Soviet Communism were both based on brutal military conquest) gathering all the evidence for their founding hero in the bizarre belief that it would burnish his image further. What one has to wonder at is not so much these deluded early generations, as the followers - those who had it all before them, black on white, and who were able to judge. And who still cannot see what is in front of their eyes.

Please keep ballbusting these nazi creeps.I guess NOW their really really going to be angry!

Great info Paolo! I'm going to check out more on Leopold Schwarzschild.
I think most "true believers" never make it past the executive summaries of their heros, even if a few manage to scan the pages of more in-depth writings.

God Bless this holy man and protect him!

Max Publius, like you, I found Paolo's description of Leopold Schwarzschild fascinating.
An internet search turned up a Time article review of The Red Prussian and Schwarzschild's treatment of Marx from 1947!

Marx Debunked
Monday, May. 19, 1947
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,933698-1,00.html

Jdamn

"As for the dead woman thing, I'm not familiar with the more obscure Hadiths, but I have long suspected that there had to have been something like that in Islamic texts since the phenomenon of raping women's corpses was so pervasive in India that the Hindu widows would throw themselves on their husbands' funeral pyre. They committed suicide in order to avoid becoming a sex slave to jihadis (which is the loftiest goal of Muslim women, sincethat's their ideal afterlife), but they couldn't just poison themselves because the jihadis would have their way with their corpses."

I have heard this as well. Apparently the custom of suttee, which does not seem to spring from Hindu mythology, began due to preserve the dignity of Hindu women after their husband's death. Muslims viewed them as "uncovered meat" at that point and would violate their bodies EVEN after death.

It's not a religion, it's an institutionalized mental illness.

I like my tongues with mustard on rye.
Muhammed is the alter ego of the Muslims. He's the no-holds-barred prince of the barbary pirates who gets the girls and the gold. Sort like the privileged pimp in his purple cadillac. The more outrageous, the better.

Removing hadith such as these that are so offensive to western sensibilities will do nothing to reform Islam but will do a lot to cover up who Mohammed was and the moral compass which set his course.

Odd. This series on DVD not on the shelves at Blockbuster. Does anyone know if there is site where accurate English translations of broadcasts are available? Could not find one. Thanks.

Godspeed, Father Botros.

Thank you, Raymond & Jihad Watch.

As Abdullah the Quasi Apostate might say:::
Father Botros is a hypocrite, let me give you the real story....................................

The good father and the posters here have Mahound all wrong...It is common knowledge that Mahound would spit on the wounds of his soldiers...This is because as a perfect and Holy man, his spit was a powerful antibiotic. So when he was going about sucking tongues, he was doing it for medicinal purposes only...

And laying with the dead woman?...He was raising her from the dead...conducting a miracle...
Once he had reinvigorated her, she walked away...The hadith does not tell you that part...

Nor do they tell us that Mahounds body fluids were Holy, all of them, so when he had sex, or raped or spit, or sucked tongues, he was sharing his Holiness...a great blessing, and a supreme gift from the Prophet...

Truth

Peace

Taqiyya

Posted by: DenverRodeo at January 14, 2009 2:19 AM

I concur.

This breaking and surprising news just in....


Senior Saudi Cleric OKs 10-Year-Old Girls for Marriage
Wednesday, January 14, 2009

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — A pan-Arab newspaper quotes Saudi Arabia's most senior Muslim cleric as saying it is OK for 10-year-old girls to marry.

The London-based Al-Hayat newspaper also quotes Sheik Abdul-Aziz bin Baz, the country's grand mufti, as saying that those who believe women should not marry before the age of 25 are following a "bad path."

His comments during a lecture Monday come as Saudi human rights groups are fighting to put an end to marriages involving the very young. The groups are pressing the government to define the minimum age for marriage.

On Sunday, the government-run National Human Rights Commission condemned marriages of minor girls, saying such marriages are an "inhumane violation."

Father Botros is a hero of our age - may God protect him!

Not sure if anyone else has found this yet, but here is a good site about Islam created for people to discuss Islam without fear of censorship (being slain in cold blood still exists I would imagine though!) and based on the software used for Wikipedia:

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Main_Page

There's coverage in there about Paedophilia in the Quaran and also covers commonly used apologetic arguments - quite a handy tool.

Father Botros is a hero of our age - may God protect him!

Not sure if anyone else has found this yet, but here is a good site about Islam created for people to discuss Islam without fear of censorship (being slain in cold blood still exists I would imagine though!) and based on the software used for Wikipedia:

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Main_Page

There's coverage in there about Paedophilia in the Quaran and also covers commonly used apologetic arguments - quite a handy tool.

On Sunday, the government-run National Human Rights Commission condemned marriages of minor girls, saying such marriages are an "inhumane violation."

Posted by: Captain America

Did you know that in George Washington's time, the age of consent in the US was ten years old?

And among the states the age of consent still varies from 16-18...However the legal age for sex is different...Under 16 are as follows:

Alabama.........12
Arizona.........15
Hawaii..........14
Indiana.........14
Iowa............14
Louisiana.......13
Maine...........14
New Jersey......13
New Mexico......13
Ohio............13
Oaklahoma.......14
Oregon..........15
Pennsylvania....13
Rhode Island....14
South Dakota....10****
Tennessee.......13
Texas...........14
Virginia........15

There are some exceptions, but generally if you live in those states, your daughter can legally have sex with anyone who is not too old or younger than allowed...Whatcha think of South Dakota?

duh_swami, the answer is in your question "...your daughter CAN legally have sex..." i.e. 'CAN' as opposed to 'legally forced to'. I am of course referring to Sharia law when I say legally.

I'm not a lawyer but I think rape law in the US and UK protects all ages. In Sharia law, if a woman accuses a man of rape she has to provide three independent male witnesses who actually saw the act and by act I mean the actual penetration. If she can't do this she is punished, or killed by her family as conveniently illustrated by the following link:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world/daughter-pregnant-by-rape-killed-by-family/2009/01/13/1231608651606.html

My daughter is grounded till 40....

All joking aside, without the benefit of research, I can only surmise that those laws are are meant to establish a milestone for consensual sex amongst peers in view of the fact that pedophiles in this country are dealt with harshly.

It is quite another thing to have a "respected" Islamic "holy man" say that marriage to a 10 year-old child is sanctions and something to be strived for.

..sanctioned by the cult and..

sorry brain in gear before fingers...

I think I dealt with the subject of 'exceptions to these sex age laws...
They have to do with too, old or too young...Too old is considered force and the person is then a victim...

But if a ten year old want's to have sex with another ten year old in S.D, it may be an outrage to most people, but it is perfectly fine with the legislature...

This kind of stuff may be most serious when it is forced, but it is moral breakdown regardless in S.D, and elsewhere, as well as Saudi...The moral breakdown comes first then the abuse...

Of course in America, that's what parents are supposed to be for, to prevent the moral breakdown of their children...The 'Law' would seem to encourage it...

In either case, in Saudi Arabia, or S.D, it was not a organization of ten year olds who lobbied for the right to have sex...If it was not them...Who was it?

For an answer to your question, we would need to review the legislative history behind the law.

Duh_Swami, I overlooked the end of your original sentence, my bad.

Do you know when those laws came into being for each of the states? I'm not in any way trying to justify it but it would be interesting to see if it was a longstanding law that hadn't been reformed or whether it was a law that was changed via campaign. If the latter, you're spot on that it's wide open to abuse and rather controversial.

Still, my comment stands that there is a difference between a ten year old consenting to it and a ten year old being forced into it via religious justification which I would imagine would include their parents knowing about it and not being able to do anything.

The legislative history...Yep...Legislated immorality, brought to you by who?

This is actually getting funny...Does anyone reading this approve of sex among ten year olds if they consent?

How long before a smart ten year old girl sues her parents for forbidding her to have sex with her ten year old boyfriend in her bedroom.

That probably won't happen because I don't think ten year old sex is a major problem, and most of them don't know their rights...But the 'Law' has created the opportunity...For immoral behavior and a defense for it...

I would agree that Saudi Arabia and all of Islam are heavy duty offenders...but it boils down to degree's of abuse.

Anything, and the US has plenty of it, that causes a child to demoralize, is an abuse, as in 'Hamas', and 'force' is a relative term. The worse form of it is arm twisting, by law/sharia, or actuality as in Islam, but there are other forms of it just as harmful...

The left and its slippery slope of morality is probably responsible. Please do not miscontrue my dry analysis as support of the abhorent notion.

Ive been trying to find a copy of the "Arab Mind", from what Ive read about its contents,not a lot has changed regarding sexual decency in the arab world (at the time it was written).

The Waterstones book store clerk gave me a perculiar look when I attempted to reserve a copy. It must be in the forbidden knowladge catagory database.

I don't think anyone is approving of it, consentual or otherwise.

I can see your point, that both South Dakota and Saudi have legislature that allows 10 year olds to have sex which is immoral by any decent persons standards. I suppose the point I am making is that I can't see parents in South Dakota promoting this as a divine or legal benefit. In Saudi (and other Islamic states) however it is abundantly obvious that this is standard practise as its mandated by Islamic doctrine and is done so with parents having full knowledge of what's occuring.

As always though, I'm prepared to accept I am wrong - regarding South Dakota that is :-)

The left and its slippery slope of morality is probably responsible. Please do not miscontrue my dry analysis as support of the abhorent notion.
Posted by: Captain America

I don't...

I was just pointing out that child abuse is more widespread and often more subtle, than most realize...
However, in no way is America anywhere near as bad as Islam/Saudi...

The US used to permit child marriages, exploitive child labor, and other abuses. But for the most part, we have grown out of that...Islam never outgrows itself...

I too, would love a compilation of the Quranic and Hadithic sources for these outrages, so I could readily demonstrate to anyone who didn't believe they exist.

The format could be formatted by categories:

SEX WITH SLAVES:

-verse
-hadith

SEX WITH CHILDREN:

SUCKING TONGUES:

etc, etc, etc,

Anybody wanna do the heavy lifting on this one? :-)

Oh, and where's Abdullah to back up his earlier claim that "'Father'" Zakaria Botros is a complete idiot… a smear monger."? Huh?

(I like the use of quotes there, implying that Botros isn't even a Father.)

Well, Abdullah; where's your "Truth" now? Prove to us he's just smearing the prophet with no evidence.

Waiting.....

(Boy, I'm glad I'm not in the impossible position of defending this prophet of perversity.)

Mo Foe, try this link (already categorised)

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Main_Page

jdamn,

I looked at staringattheview, but they don't provide any references either.

It's basic thing, if you're going to use texts to prove a point, you've got to have the basic reference citations -- chapter, verse, page number, book edition, publisher, etc. Otherwise the Muslim will have the advantage when he says "prove it".

My aunt got married at 14 in Kentucky decades ago, around 1965. She had her first kid at 15. His father ran off, but he luckily got adopted by my uncle (his stepdad-cum-actual-dad), who's a great guy and amazing with kids. My dad got married at 25 and had me when he was 35. My life has been considerably better and much easier than that of my cousins, one of whom died because she drove off of the highway when high on meth. Just saying. Those are old laws which haven't changed because of the left. You can't put this on them. You can marry your cousin in Indiana, too.

The difference is that only the lowest common denominator would exploit those laws in America. In the Muslim world this is the norm. Egypt had a law forbidding marriage until the age of 18, but they lowered it to 9 last spring when they relegalized female genital mutilation. This was of course in response to our dhimmicrat Legislative branch. In the muslim world the old law was deemed immoral. In the free world we're shocked that those laws exist.

Jdam: The difference is that only the lowest common denominator would exploit those laws in America...

Of course, which is essentially my point. It was not ten year olds lobbying for the right to marry some filthy abusive old codger...

And I bet few ten year old girls volunteered for that duty...

It was old codgers who wanted to play with little girls, who made this stuff legal.

To America's credit, we have grown past these abuses, where Islam has not...Islam is fully involved in abuse, child, and otherwise...

And among the states the age of consent still varies from 16-18...However the legal age for sex is different...Under 16 are as follows:

Alabama.........12
Arizona.........15
Hawaii..........14
Indiana.........14
Iowa............14
Louisiana.......13
Maine...........14
New Jersey......13
New Mexico......13
Ohio............13
Oaklahoma.......14
Oregon..........15
Pennsylvania....13
Rhode Island....14
South Dakota....10****
Tennessee.......13
Texas...........14
Virginia........15

There are some exceptions, but generally if you live in those states, your daughter can legally have sex with anyone who is not too old or younger than allowed...Whatcha think of South Dakota?


As a lawyer, I think I'd appreciate a citation to the statute you claim supports this theory.

The South Dakota statutes are pretty clear:

22-22-7. Sexual contact with child under sixteen--Felony or misdemeanor. Any person, sixteen years of age or older, who knowingly engages in sexual contact with another person, other than that person's spouse if the other person is under the age of sixteen years is guilty of a Class 3 felony. If the actor is less than three years older than the other person, the actor is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. If an adult has a previous conviction for a felony violation of this section, any subsequent felony conviction for a violation under this section, is a Class 2 felony. Notwithstanding § 23A-42-2, a charge brought pursuant to this section may be commenced at any time before the victim becomes age twenty-five or within seven years of the commission of the crime, whichever is longer.

. . .

22-22-7.3. Sexual contact with child under sixteen years of age--Violation as misdemeanor. Any person, younger than sixteen years of age, who knowingly engages in sexual contact with another person, other than his or her spouse, if such other person is younger than sixteen years of age, is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.


You can find all the South Dakota Statutes here.

So, unless the two individuals are married, sexual contact between two persons under sixteen years of age is a misdemeanor.

For reference, South Dakota does not allow ten year olds to marry:

25-1-9. Age of consent to marriage with and without parental consent. Any unmarried applicant for a marriage license who is eighteen years old or older, and who is not otherwise disqualified, is capable of consenting to and consummating a marriage. If either applicant for a marriage license is between the age of sixteen and eighteen, that applicant shall submit to the register of deeds a notarized statement of consent to marry from one parent or legal guardian of the applicant.

Given these statutes, it is apparent that your list is erroneous, at least as far as South Dakota is concerned. I suspect it is similarly in error on other states as well.

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

If you have an argument you have it with the gov...

Duh_swami:

Just for grins, I also checked another apparently "low age" state on your list, Alabama. According to your prior post, the age of consent in Alabama is 12. That, too, is wholly false.

In reality, Alabama clearly states that no person under the age of 16 is capable of consenting to sexual intercourse:

Section 13A-6-70 Lack of consent. (a) Whether or not specifically stated, it is an element of every offense defined in this article, with the exception of subdivision (a)(3) of Section 13A-6-65, that the sexual act was committed without consent of the victim.

. . .

(c) A person is deemed incapable of consent if he is:

(1) Less than 16 years old; or

(2) Mentally defective; or

(3) Mentally incapacitated; or

(4) Physically helpless.

(emphasis added). The Alabama statutes regarding criminal sexual conduct may be found here.

Again, I am not sure what source you used, but it appears to be inaccurate.

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

If you have an argument you have it with the gov...

Duh_swami:

Just for grins, I also checked another apparently "low age" state on your list, Alabama. According to your prior post, the age of consent in Alabama is 12. That, too, is wholly false.

In reality, Alabama clearly states that no person under the age of 16 is capable of consenting to sexual intercourse:

Section 13A-6-70 Lack of consent. (a) Whether or not specifically stated, it is an element of every offense defined in this article, with the exception of subdivision (a)(3) of Section 13A-6-65, that the sexual act was committed without consent of the victim.

. . .

(c) A person is deemed incapable of consent if he is:

(1) Less than 16 years old; or

(2) Mentally defective; or

(3) Mentally incapacitated; or

(4) Physically helpless.

(emphasis added). The Alabama statutes regarding criminal sexual conduct may be found here.

Again, I am not sure what source you used, but it appears to be inaccurate.

Duh_swami:

Just for grins, I also checked another apparently "low age" state on your list, Alabama. According to your prior post, the age of consent in Alabama is 12. That, too, is wholly false.

In reality, Alabama clearly states that no person under the age of 16 is capable of consenting to sexual intercourse:

Section 13A-6-70 Lack of consent. (a) Whether or not specifically stated, it is an element of every offense defined in this article, with the exception of subdivision (a)(3) of Section 13A-6-65, that the sexual act was committed without consent of the victim.

. . .

(c) A person is deemed incapable of consent if he is:

(1) Less than 16 years old; or

(2) Mentally defective; or

(3) Mentally incapacitated; or

(4) Physically helpless.

(emphasis added). The Alabama statutes regarding criminal sexual conduct may be found here: http://alisdb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/CodeOfAlabama/1975/coatoc.htm

Again, I am not sure what source you used, but it appears to be inaccurate.

Yes, Mo Foe, I too was wondering where Truth and Peace Abdullah Mikhail might be with this one. You know how he always likes to stress that things must be taken in context. I await the "proper context" with which we should view the Model Man's tongue sucking, breast nuzzling, necrophilic inclinations.

Ah, Islam was founded by a sicko. The more one learns about Mohammed, the more one realizes this. Muslims have been had and I think many of them way down inside suspect or even know this.

Yes, Mo Foe, I too was wondering where Truth and Peace Abdullah Mikhail might be with this one. You know how he always likes to stress that things must be taken in context. I await the "proper context" with which we should view the Model Man's tongue sucking, breast nuzzling, necrophilic inclinations.

Ah, Islam was founded by a sicko. The more one learns about Mohammed, the more one realizes this. Muslims have been had and I think many of them way down inside suspect or even know this.

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

If you have an argument you have it with the gov...

Yes, Mo Foe, I too was wondering where Truth and Peace Abdullah Mikhail might be with this one. You know how he always likes to stress that things must be taken in context. I await the "proper context" with which we should view the Model Man's tongue sucking, breast nuzzling, necrophilic inclinations.

Yes, Mo Foe, I too was wondering where Truth and Peace Abdullah Mikhail might be with this one. You know how he always likes to stress that things must be taken in context. I await the "proper context" with which we should view the Model Man's tongue sucking, breast nuzzling, necrophilic inclinations.

Ah, Islam was founded by a sicko. The more one learns about Mohammed, the more one realizes this. Muslims have been had and I think that way down inside many Muslims suspect or even know this.

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

If you have an argument you have it with the gov...

Yes, Mo Foe, I too was wondering where Truth and Peace Abdullah Mikhail might be with this one. You know how he always likes to stress that things must be taken in context. I await the "proper context" with which we should view the Model Man's tongue sucking, breast nuzzling, necrophilic inclinations.

Ah, Islam was founded by a sicko. The more one learns about Mohammed, the more one realizes this. Muslims have been had and I think that way down inside many Muslims suspect or even know this.

Yes, Mo Foe, I too was wondering where Truth and Peace Abdullah Mikhail might be with this one. You know how he always likes to stress that things must be taken in context. I await the "proper context" with which we should view the Model Man's tongue sucking, breast nuzzling, necrophilic inclinations.

Ah, Islam was founded by a sicko. The more one learns about Mohammed, the more one realizes this. Muslims have been had and I think that way down inside many Muslims suspect or even know this.

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

If you have an argument you have it with the gov...

I'm sorry for any delay in posing this...for some reason I can't post...

I guess we shouldn't expect that Father Botros will be addressing the United Nations General Assembly anytime soon.

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

If you have an argument you have it with the gov...

I'm sorry for any delay in posing this...for some reason I can't post...

The sign says I can't overload my comment with links...there was only one so I took it out...

MrSpkr...research it yourself, don't expect me to to do it for you...I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

If you have an argument you have it with the gov...

I'm sorry for any delay in posing this...for some reason I can't post...

We need the textual references.

MrSpkr..,I used google...The top entry gives state by state ages...A government site:

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html

If you have an argument you have it with the gov...

I'm sorry for any delay in posing this...for some reason I can't post...

Test....

Damn, you can see why they don't want this guy depicted in art now.

Damn, you can see why they don't want this guy depicted in art now.

Damn, you can see why they don't want this guy depicted in art now.

Supposedly, the dead woman Mohammed had sex with was his own aunt!

Problem is, I can't nail down the reference. All I have is this:

sahih muslim 34424- I put on her my cloth to let her wear the cloth of paradise,and had sex with her to ease the grave suffering on her She was the best of god`s creations after Fatma the mother of ali , Mohammad said that when he got caught sleeping with a dead woman. and that woman was his aunt

But when I look at this collection of Sahih Muslim on the Muslim USC site, all the references have a completely different numbering system, like:

"Book 032, Number 6180"

There is nothing in their list that would approximate "34424" from what I can tell.

Unfortunately, a reference is worthless if you can't find what it references to!

I think it's actually 16 in Indiana. I was questioning that list too.

God Bless, Keep and Protect this rare Righteous and Religious Man for speaking out.

Ouch..

OLDEngland - if you can't find one... send your post address to a_plague_on_both_houses@hotmail.com and I'll send you my copy. You can keep it.

Father Botros is doing a great long term job: saving and curing many people from islam-sickness!

As to me, the work of fathor Botros is much more efficient than any war.

You can not fight islam by getting an islamic behaviour (war, ...)! You can defend yourself, obviously, but be careful not to become "islamised" in behaviour. Violence reinforce an islamically brainwashed person in its islam!

The solution is curing every person from islam just as Father Botros does.

Mrspkr...You're probably long gone by now, but I got those 'erroneous' figures from a government web site...If the figures are wrong, your argument is with them not me...

http://www.4parents.gov/sexrisky/teen_sex/statelaws_chart/statelaws_chart.html







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