It is silly to ignore the way in which we now -- reasonably, not irrationally -- look at groups of easily identified Muslims on planes. They worry us. And why shouldn’t they? Who brought about this state of affairs? Actions by the group of people that makes Englishmen in London, Spanish people in Madrid, Russians in Moscow, Dutch -- liberal, tolerant Dutch -- in Amsterdam, Danes in Copenhagen, and of course Americans, worry when we see, on a plane, a group of six or seven bearded Muslim men, with women similarly attired according to the commands of Islam, so that none of these could be thought of as Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only Muslims.
It is irrational, it is absurd, to expect ordinary people, with the ordinary apprehensions, not to be worried, and not, if they overhear discussions by easily identifiable Muslims of the placement of engines and the safest place to sit, and other matters pertaining to airline safety, not to be alarmed. Flying is never easy. We already endure the nightmare of increased security, and the billions of man-hours now lost in arriving an extra hour or two early for every flight, man-hours that are directly attributable to Muslim plots, successful in some cases, unsuccessful in others.
Need one recall those three planes hijacked on 9/11/2001, two hitting the World Trade Center, one hitting the Pentagon, and a fourth sent plunging into a field in Pennsylvania, killing all aboard? Are we to forget all of the planes exploded in midair, such as that TWA plane near Athens, that the PLO took care of, or the Pan Am plane exploding over Lockerbie, or the Egyptian plane brought down by the co-pilot having his Sudden Jihad Syndrome, or all the other planes blown up, or seized (think of that Air France plane that ended up in Entebbe)? Are we to forget the plot that almost came off, to explode six or eight or ten planes over the Pacific simultaneously? What are we expected to overlook?
Would you, if you got on a plane with six or seven or eight bearded Muslims, with their wives in burqaed tow, and then overheard them talking about plane safety, not bring this to the attention of the plane crew? Would you not be more than mildly alarmed? Would you not, in fact, be in a state of deep unease, or even, in some cases, panic? If you weren't, your sangfroid would not be widely shared.
Muslims must find flying just as uncomfortable, for different reasons. Imagine, for example, that you are a pious Muslim, being made to sit in an airplane seat next to someone who might just open his lunchbox and pull out a ham-and-cheese sandwich, or a bucket of ribs barbecued North Carolina style. Imagine that you are a Muslim woman being made to sit next to, or perhaps even between, two dangerous men. How would you gracefully go in and out without inadvertently having some part of your body perhaps touch some part of theirs, setting them all aflame? And still worse, still more unappealing, still more intolerable – so much so that it makes you, a good Muslim, want to scream in anguish -- is the possibility that such men would be Infidels.
Here's a solution. Given that oil-rich Muslim countries are moving heaven and earth to promote the cause of Islam and to make things as easy for Muslims in the West, making sure they can conduct their Muslim lives and establish themselves permanently deep behind what Muslims themselves are taught to consider enemy lines, the Dar al-Harb, should it be beyond the wit and pocketbook of these fabulously rich Arabs to pay for a worldwide Air Islam? If they won’t pay for a regular airline, they could at least spring for a collection of charters that will be for Muslims only, and on which only halal food will be served, and there will be no need to have any undue contact with Infidels -- that toilet-seat, those faucets the "unclean" hands of "najis" Infidels have touched (if you are a Shi'a Muslim, anyway). The rich Arabs should simply have a fleet of planes, modest at first, and supplemented by planes that can be chartered -- small or large. This will be that Air Islam.
That should satisfy everyone.
Or have I missed something?
Maybe the hilarious "Snakes on a Plane" was really a tongue-in-cheek tale of muslims on planes!
Both CBS and ABC interviewed the Mohammedan husband/wife from the plane. The political correctness of the newspeople, Erica someone on CBS, and Bill Weir on ABC, was revolting. Oh, the poor Mohammedans! Profiled! And for no good reason, right? Of course it ended with the husband saying he was probably going to sue the airline, AirTran.
Disgusting. You slaves to Islam.
Everyone should send some sort of complaint to CBS and ABC.
Hi Hugh
Regarding your suggestion of Muslim only airlines, I have another.
Seeing that many Muhammadens crave only Mo’s 7th century barbarism and reject all that is modern (except weaponry of course - where would Jihad be without it) why don’t they operate camel caravans between all destinations. Over the seas and oceans they could operate Arab dhows.
After all, if it was good enough for Mo, it certainly should be good enough for Muhammadens. We all know that whatever Mo did was sacred and is to be emulated by his loyal followers at all times and places.
From a safety point of view, you can’t fly camels into buildings. Even if Mo came along with his flying horse Burak and pelted buildings with camel dung and urine, there would not be any casualties, only a major clean-up job.
Well I completely agree. It does "suck" for those muslims who are doing nothing but trying to live their lives - but that is the reality they must now face. Just like it's the reality that the rest of us must face - that we can no longer feel completely secure in our own country - because of what those men did on 9/11.
No one is a winner in this situation.
~T the D
http://thedrunkelephant.blogspot.com/
Unfortunately, Muslim only planes would be too easy to turn into missiles. Many of the passengers and crew would happily martyr themselves for the sake of Allah.
RBLA: Exactly. How would we know when they veer off course and head straight for a nuclear reactor (for example) whether they were just 'confused' or whether they intended glorious martyrdom and striking terror into the hearts of the Infidels?
At what point should the order be given to shoot them down? How could we possibly afford to have every flight of theirs shadowed 'just in case?'
"a group of six or seven bearded Muslim men, with women similarly attired"
Yeah, what is it with these muslim women and beards? Are they obligatory?
Why don’t they operate camel caravans between all destinations?" --posted above
LOL
I thought of Santana's "Caravanserai" cover.
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6123963/a/Caravanserai.htm
P.S. I'm a big Santana fan.
Shafee al-Zindig:
Here's your "camel caravan" on it's way from Tunis to Paris. lol
Shafee al-Zindig:
Here's your "camel caravan" on it's way from Tunis to Paris. lol
http://www.cduniverse.com/images.asp?pid=6123963&style=music&image=front&title=Santana+-+Caravanserai+CD
I agree with Hugh: Muslim-only planes.
Another option while we're waiting for that:
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2008/03/well-then-mak-1.html
And this?
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2008/03/answering-the-b.html
I called AirTran yesterday to register my support in their removal of the family from the plane & that they'll have my patronage in the future because of it. Take a moment to call or email them & counter CAIR's propaganda machine.
Hugh's post demonstrates with particular effectiveness what an enormous drag Muslims are on the entire world and what a far better world it would be if Islam didn't exist. Speaking for myself, my contempt for Islam is complete. I cannot think of one positive aspect of Islam which cannot be found in other belief systems and philosophies. Not one. And yet I can easily point to negative, even horrible, things that are part and parcel of the Islamic faith, such as the requirement of death for those that leave Islam for another religion or the absurd admiration for a seventh-century merchant who had sexual intercourse with a nine-year old girl when he was in his fifties----ah, it's a long list of negatives. But one positive feature unique to Islam? I know of none. Does anyone? What a monstrosity this religion is.
Muslim-only airlines would not prevent such planes from attacking infidel interests. It would however, remove the obstacle of resolving such threats through military action.
Can I take you with me on every flight I'm on, undaunted? I'd much prefer having you as my security blanket than the TSA, any day. (Great posts on your blog.)
And Polonius, I have written of my support to AirTran - even though I'm not a customer. I hope they truy "listen".
I hear ya', Wellington. Yesterday, while reading thereligionofpeace.com's "About Muslims" page, which ends with 'Don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know, and don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam.', I just couldn't help but protest in my mind with "But to know Islam means I'm highly suspicious of anyone who clearly subscribes to its texts." How can I know who will, and who won't, hew to them closely, especially when I'm 30,000 feet up in the air?
Thanks, Vee. Yes, I'm available for outings.
I think "Muslims on Rockets" would be a better topic Hugh.
From Always On Watch: Omar Bakri: “We are obliged as Muslims to make the whole galaxy subservient to almighty Allah. Allah has created all living beings in order to obey him and worship him.”
How fast can we get his missionary rocket ready?
But one positive feature unique to Islam? I know of none. Does anyone? What a monstrosity this religion is.
Posted by: Wellington at January 3, 2009 12:35 PM
None. Zero. Zilch. They are a drag on the entire world, and their belief system is nothing but Naziism.
The comments on this one are so much fun they should be illegal. The Muslims only airline is actually a very good idea only that they could still fly one of those planes into a building without having to overpower the passengers, crew, and pilot so we'd have to watch those like a hawk. But I have to admit that Shafel al-Zindi suggestion that they use camel caravans on land a dhows on the seas is my favorite; this would be perfect poetic justice. Who knows, after a time of traveling like that it might dawn on them how ridiculous their religion really is.
The comments on this one are so much fun they should be illegal. The Muslims only airline is actually a very good idea only that they could still fly one of those planes into a building without having to overpower the passengers, crew, and pilot so we'd have to watch those like a hawk. But I have to admit that Shafel al-Zindi suggestion that they use camel caravans on land a dhows on the seas is my favorite; this would be perfect poetic justice. Who knows, after traveling like that for some time they might realize how ridiculous their religion really is.
The comments on this one are so much fun they should be illegal. The Muslims only airline is actually a very good idea only that they could still fly one of those planes into a building without having to overpower the passengers, crew, and pilot so we'd have to watch those like a hawk. But I have to admit that Shafel al-Zindi suggestion that they use camel caravans on land and dhows on the seas is my favorite; this would be perfect poetic justice. Who knows, after traveling like that for some time they might begin to realize how ridiculous their religion really is. But I think this idea should be taken all the way through; we should start placing all of the same restrictions and conditions on Muslims in the U.S. and Western European countries that Muslims place on Christians, Jews and those of other religions in Muslim countries. Giving them a good dose of their own medicine is really exactly what they deserve.
Nightlight: “Who know, after travelling like that for some time they might begin to realize how ridiculous their religion really is”
Don’t count on it. They still believe in childish nonsense such as that meteorites are missiles shot at jinns spying on Heaven, the sun setting in a muddy pond, birds raining down stones on allah’s enemies, King Solomon talking to ants, the Earth is flat and many more hilarious gems like it. If it is in the Quran or said by Mo, then it must be true according to them.
Continued education and ridicule of their nonsense is our only hope of taming the Islamic beast.
Mo has ordered them to follow his example. The camel, donkeys and maybe horses should be the mode of his followers. Lest during the day of judgement they face the wrath of Mo(PUBH). AirTran must be congratulated for the kicking ass of these retarded followers of Islamic baggage. I surely would be scared to travel with these retards. The best form of transport for these leaches who are a strain on world resourses who have not given anything to this world would be camels and donkeys. The world would definately be better without ISLAM.
Sounder, that's pretty much what Black Muslims believe: that a rocket ship will come and take them away. Heaven's Gate was a death-cult and so is Islam, except Muslims want to take everyone with them.
Airtran should be chastised for apologizing and for dealing with CAIR. When will some company who did the right thing make good on it and tell CAIR, "we don't deal with terrorists because we have a reputation to protect, you despicable Hamas front?" AirTran should have stood their ground and come out with a press release recounting the Fox version of events and broadcasting the fact that they said "I wonder the safest place to sit is when a bomb goes off."
Furthermore - and I apologize for harping on this but if you saw this woman you would concur - their staff should have never been so dhimmified as to have let that woman on that plane in the first place. I only saw her face, but it was covered with some horrible disease. It was probably communicable and probably on her hands since she probably got it from a prayer mat. They should have told her that she needed to get a note from a doctor (a real one, not her drug-dealer husband/cousin who bought her before she started high school, judging by her age relative to that of her eldest son) stating what the horrible disease was and that it wasn't contagious. That was not acne and it was not psoriasis. It went into her undereye area. It's horrifying to think that someone could get on a plane and spread some disgusting skin disease all over the place, possibly a flesh-eating one, and that she could do it because she prays for genocide five times a day and sports a Nazi slave rag, no less.
If Muslims don't like the confines of today's commercial airliners, they're free to consider the alternatives. They can use ships, cars, trains, or whatever.
But Admiralty law is still in force. If the captain's hair blows the wrong way about someone's motives as a passenger, it is the responsibility of the Pilot in Command, the Engineer, the Captain, or the Caravan leader to deal with that person.
We have two choices, we can deal with them on the ground by refusing passage, or we can deal with them in sea/rail/air-born conditions. I know which I'd rather deal with.
Oh, and one other thing: The policies we outline here apply equally to infidel and Muslim alike. If a person is stink-faced drunk, he or she is also refused passage. So, don't take it personally.
Of course, maybe we should allow them to board. Let them find out what a captain can do to them under Admiralty Law while underway. I can just about guarantee they will like it even less.
Hugh, ooh, I bet your modest proposal made a lot of drive-by Muslim readers really, really uncomfortable by reminding them of all the various unclean things awaiting them aboard our airlines. I like your idea about Muslims having their own airline. The whole airport security apparatus was constructed and set up after 9/11 specifically in response to Islamic terrorism. Hell, we could dismantle the whole thing and use the money that would be saved to *buy* an airline and just give the whole bloody thing to them, on the condition they they, all of them, fly only on this airline. Put them in their own air corridors, and monitor them constantly, and be ready to shoot on sight at the slightest irregularity in flight operations.