Germany: Muslim father "abused," brother stabbed to death, 16 year-old girl

Updated pro-israel rally schedule

http://standwithus.org/app/iNews/view_n.asp?ID=739

New York
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009
Time: 12:30 pm
Location: Across from Israeli Consulate in New York
Street: E 42nd Street @ 2nd Avenue

Washington D.C.
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009
Time: 12:30 pm
Location: Outside Israeli Embassy
Street: 3514 International Dr. NW

Los Angeles
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009
Time: 4:30 pm
Location: In front of the Israeli Consulate in L.A.
Street: La Jolla & Wilshire

Los Angeles
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009
Time: 12 pm - 2:00 pm
Location: Federal Building in Westwood L.A.
Street: Veteran and Wilshire
StandWithUs, Bnei Akiva and the ILC in cooperation with the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles, and Jewish Day Schools across Los Angeles, invite you to STAND IN SUPPORT OF ISRAEL's RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST HAMAS

Washington D.C.
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009
Time: 12:00 p.m.
Location: Sixth & I Historic Synagogue
Street: 600 I. Street, N.W.

Atlanta
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009
Time: 7:30 pm
Location: Ahavath Achim Congregation
Street: 600 Peachtree Battle Ave NW

Boston
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009
Time: 7:30 pm
Location: Congregation Mishkan Tefilah
Street: 300 Hammond Pond Parkway, Chestnut Hill

Pacific Northwest
Seattle and Portland are planning rallies this week to take place in the near future.
If you are interested in helping plan or attend a rally in Seattle, please contact seattle@standwithus.com.
If you are interested in helping plan or attend a rally in Portland, please contact portland@standwithus.com.
Filed under Hamas, Gaza on Sunday, January 04, 2009.

One more tragic story among millions of other like stories with varying details. I am an ex-muslim who has witnessed what Islam does to people first hand. When people are indoctrinated from cradle to grave with dangerous falsehoods, problems are sure to follow.

I sometimes wonder if Moslem brothers and fathers beat and/or kill these girls at least partially in response to comments or criticism from their Moslem "community". Particularly remarks from the imam or mufti.

He will be out in no time.

Some moonbat judge will allow for mitigating circumstances because of "cultural differences" and because the accused was impoverished during his childhood...

I can smell the BS already...

They don't want to be Westernized, yet they move to the West. Could it be cacause they believe that the West will eventually be Easternized?

This young girl didn't deserve what she got, but Germany, like most Western countries, will get what they deserve. The day is comming when Western nations, will wake up to their own self-destructive immigration policies, but it will be to late to defend themselves. The Muslim grip on their socities will be too tight to break, and none of them will have the stomach to fight the major civil wars necessary to save themselves. Peace and quiet will be their highest priority, even if it has to be paid for with their liberities.

Part 1 of 6 parts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td8YdfNoPBk&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
Escape From Hamas (Part 1 of 6)

OT but found this , hopefully it will be put on front page

Children starved to coerce mom to renounce Christ
Report says police assault woman, promise freedom for conversion

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=84346

This poor girl, Morsal--her father had no problem abusing her, but did nothing to protect her, and, in fact, was probably the one who egged on the brother to kill her.

from above:

The two parents of the family, as well as the girl’s younger brother refused to testify. Her sister is scheduled to testify on Monday afternoon.
.....

We know where the loyalties of most of the family lie, and it is not with their poor murdered daughter. Morsal's sister is a brave girl--I hope she stays safe. I hope the German authorities realize that she will, most likely, need protection.

Sadly, we have to add Morsal O.'s name to that of Hatun Sürücü in Germany, and Aqsa Pervez in Canada, and Amina and Sarah Said here in the US--and all the other girls, surely, whose murders have not been recognized as "honor killings". How many more of these horrors are we going to see in the the years to come?

Nick.C wrote:

One more tragic story among millions of other like stories with varying details. I am an ex-muslim who has witnessed what Islam does to people first hand. When people are indoctrinated from cradle to grave with dangerous falsehoods, problems are sure to follow.
......................

Nick, I would love to hear more about your story. Why did decide to finally leave Islam? Are you still in touch with your family or other members of your old community? Keep safe, and welcome.

While living in the WEst they do not approve of a family member living like a "Westerner", l say get the hell out of our countries, and go back to you cesspoolstan asap.

Remember Amina and Sarah RIP
http://www.youtube.com/user/joinhunt4Yasser

Once you go muslim, you don't go back withou tremendous pain.

Best to leave that path untraveled.

RIP AMINA AND SARAH

I'm going to Atlanta on Wednesday with some Jewish friends. They expect Jews from all over the state to be there and are hoping for a large turnout. There are thousands of nasty muslims in Atlanta, some of the most hostile, unsavory people you could ever hope not to meet. I shall immensely enjoy supporting Israel and I'm making my own signs. I started working on them today and I want them to be perfect!

It would be a good thing to establish an underground railroad for such women and apostates. I have no idea how to put that bell around the cat, but if it could be managed during the days of American slavery, surely our western ingenuity could come up with something better than headstones to commemorate the dead who tried to escape their bondsmen.

To gravenimage-----from Nick.C

Am i still in touch with my old community? You're kidding right?

When you renounce Islam, your "friends" renounce you. And consider yourself very fortunate indeed if you can truly leave "your community" behind and start your life over.

When one walks (or runs) away from Islam, they are often literally, and certainly figuratively, walking/running to/for their life. Fortunately i didn't have things too bad... Other Apostates tell a different story...

This is the type of situation that we ought to be prepared to deal with. All the textbook signs of honor killing are there after the fact; is the threat really so hard to identify beforehand?

One of the reasons Dad and Big Brother claim for excuses to go blood-crazy is because this girl has gotten "too Westernized," presumably in the usual fashion by exposing such immodest parts of her body as her neck and elbows, listening to Western music, and hanging out with friends in possibly mixed company. This last one is interesting because it's exactly the right kind of opportunity for someone else to learn about the situation..

So it should be possible then to educate people on the warning signs, organize a network for moving threatened people to safety and for providing appropriate legal and physical defense. From that point onwards, it should be only a matter of time before we have something worth gloating about to the Ummah, and then multiple somethings. Then fear will be turned against those who prey upon the fearful.

To Jewel Atkins:

My friend is a Christian from Lebanon and one of her friends started a battered women's shelter over there. The woman (another Christian, who started the shelter) has used a lot of her own money to support it and has purchased an apartment where the victims of abuse can have refuge. Perhaps working through church groups is the best way to reach out to these women, since the liberal, secular elite don't seem to be doing much.

I am really surprised that so many of the Western liberal women do not see how important it is to wipe out militants who stand in the way of progress and women's rights. The world certainly seems upside down at times.

I thought you might say just what you did in your last post, Nick.C. No surprise, except for the part about you apparently feeling safe now. I fervently hope for you that that is, indeed, the case.

Stay safe, and thank you for adding your voice here.

Glad to have Nick C. in our fold. And wilypagan, I am thrilled to know that this is happening in the churches, as well it should. Don't be surprised that the secularist feminist liberationists are shown as the hypocrites they have always been. It is so easy to protest perceived injustices with cameras and press, where no threat or danger is, but quite another to just try and live your own life according to your own conscience when the tyrants are members of your own families. The so-called tyrannies of the patriarchy of Christendom have nothing on Muslims. Feminists have no balls when it comes to speaking out. Or if any do, their voices are few and far between. Phyllis Chesler and Ayaan Hirsi Ali come to mind, but they get no support from the ivory tower Rapunzels, now do they?

interestinconundrum... great link..thank you...food for thought!!

Nick - welcome.

This calls for a round of virtual drinks and a toast - To Freedom!

Ladies and gentlemen: within the past week or two, no less than three different Apostates have come into our midst and declared themselves.

If they are indeed all that they say they are (they themselves will know why I express that caveat), then all I can say to them is: you are most heartily welcome. Your insights are appreciated. All aspects of your journey out of Islam to freedom, that may be safely shared without divulging your identity, will be heard with interest.

Everybody: this may be an opportune moment at which to share news of a Petition for the Abolition of the Islamic Apostasy Law, that is currently being undertaken by the Barnabas Fund in the UK:

http://www.barnabasfund.org/news/archives/article.php?ID_news_items=437

http://www.barnabasfund.org/secrets/petition.php

I think it would also be appropriate for us to try to hammer into the heads of our Western politicians, that right here in our own countries, because of the large-scale Muslim presence, those Muslims who within our countries choose to leave Islam and embrace another faith, or none, are in real, present and serious danger; in peril comparable only to that of a person who has fallen foul of the Mafia; and that this is because of the apostasy law which is de facto and informally enforced in Muslim families and communities worldwide, not just in countries that live under Islamic law.

There needs to be much more pressure, from our political leadership and all other authority figures, upon the Muslim 'leaders', concerning the Muslim practice of killing apostates; ideally, they would be told that if someone leaves Islam and is subsequently threatened, attacked or murdered by a Muslim or Muslims, every person associated with the threats to, attack upon or killing of that person (i.e of the apostate) will be simply...deported, and - if a citizen - stripped of citizenship.

These are just a small fraction of some of the stories we see everyday. I am certain that this sort of barbarism happens quite regularly in Pakistan/Afghanistan and other stans around the world.
It is sad to see stories like this happening in 'civilized' countries. when things like this happen in Germany you can imagine what takes place in the filth of saudi arabia and pakistan. The West have made a massive blunder by allowing their muslim populations to swell and multiply, most likely throough inbreeding. My cousin, who works in France, came back to India and was shocked to see so many muslims in France. At times she said, she felt uncomfortable if she didn't cover herself in the 'Muslim' areas. Hey, who knows, you may even see an independent 'Stan' for the Muz in France in a few years. Tragic.

And welcome back to the light Nic. Islam is a bad evil ideology and we should discourage people from becoming Muslims.

If they don't like Western ways of life, then WHY DO THEY LIVE IN THE WEST?!

If they are unable in conscience to accept the norms of Western life, then that is their option. But they should then not stay here to enjoy the rights, privileges and benefits of that same culture that hosts them. It's take-it or leave-it, they can't accept part (welfare state, reliable electricity, civil liberties etc.) and reject other parts (women's rights, freedom of speech for kaffirs etc).

Also - Peguy, a very interesting link. Defninitely food for thought. However, note that the Coalition for the Defense of Human Rights has documented the situation and is unafraid to speak the truth. The left wing can do its part too - it is not automatically a tool of the Islamic apologists.

Ongoing human construct: the oppression of females in Islamic society…

Source PBS:

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/flash_point/afghanistan/

An observant Muslim cannot be a citizen of a non-Islamic state. Their loyalty is to Islam, a political ideology that seeks to overturn ALL non-Islamic governments and replace them with Sharia law.

Every non-Islamic state has a right to deny entry and expel those who attempt to invade its borders and bring about its downfall.

All kuffirs have a right to exist and live in freedom.

To gravenimage-----from Nick.C

Am i still in touch with my old community? You're kidding right?

When you renounce Islam, your "friends" renounce you. And consider yourself very fortunate indeed if you can truly leave "your community" behind and start your life over.

When one walks (or runs) away from Islam, they are often literally, and certainly figuratively, walking/running to/for their life. Fortunately i didn't have things too bad... Other Apostates tell a different story...
................

Nick, when I asked if you were still in touch with any members of your old community, I meant special friends who might have been sympathetic (or even leaning toward apostasy themselves)--*not* the Muslim community in general.

You're a brave guy.

SFOD- good link

notice the comments about how peaceful islam is and how Mohammad did not endorse child marriage or violence of any kind. That's not the TRUE islam.

@bigbadsnortinhippo

It is not about Israel right now, so post those things somewhere more appropriate please.

I am really sorry to hear about this girl, 'honour'killings are becoming way to populair in the Western world. It is bad enough it is happening in other parts of the world, but that it follows children in our part of the world just saddens me.
I hope she found peace now, but for me as an atheïst it is just a terrible shame that she couldn't spend more of her time amongst the living.

Der Friede sei mit dir.

Ps: I hope they nail those bastards!