"Since Tuesday it has become clear that the Olmert-Livni-Barak government has decided to end the war with Iran's Hamas proxy army in Gaza as quickly as possible. That is, the government has decided to lose the war."
"Column One: Hamas's march to victory," by Caroline Glick in the Jerusalem Post, January 1 (thanks to Dan):
George Orwell once quipped, "The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it."Since Tuesday it has become clear that the Olmert-Livni-Barak government has decided to end the war with Iran's Hamas proxy army in Gaza as quickly as possible. That is, the government has decided to lose the war.
Most Israelis are unaware of this state of affairs. In an obvious attempt to bolster the popularity of Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Defense Minister Ehud Barak ahead of the February 10 general elections, the local media have spent the six days since the government launched Operation Cast Lead praising the government's competence and wisdom, and declaring victory over Hamas after every IAF sortie in Gaza.
What the media have declined to notice is that the outcome of the war will not be determined by the number of Hamas buildings the IAF destroys. The outcome of this war - like the outcome of all wars - will be determined by one factor only: Which side will achieve the goals it set out for itself at the outset of the conflict and which side will concede its goals?
Depressingly, the current machinations of the Olmert-Livni-Barak government demonstrate that when the fighting is over, Hamas and not Israel will be able to declare that it accomplished its goals.
Hamas reinstated its attacks against southern Israel on December 19. It did so after a six-month hiatus that it used to restock its arsenals and strengthen its military forces. As it resumed its terror offensive against Israeli cities, Hamas announced that it will continue its current round of terror war until it wins full control over Gaza's land and sea borders.
Israel, for its part, has been less clear in stating its operational goals. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Livni and Barak have said that the goal of Operation Cast Lead is to compel Hamas to end its attacks against Israel, but they haven't said how they intend to affect that outcome. They have rejected Hamas's demand for control over Gaza's land and sea borders and in turn demanded that Hamas end its weapons smuggling operations across the Egyptian border.
Somewhat disconnectedly, the Olmert-Livni-Barak government has demanded that in the event it reaches some sort of mediated accord with Hamas, an international monitoring force must be deployed to Gaza to enforce its terms. Since Wednesday, this appears to have become Israel's main demand in relation to any mediated cease-fire talks with Hamas.
As for cease-fire talks, as the IAF finds fewer and fewer targets to hit, those hypothetical talks have become the government's new focus. On Monday and Tuesday, Turkey, Egypt and the EU all began offering various truce arrangements between Israel and Hamas. On Tuesday, Israel opted to pursue the European track. On Thursday, Livni travelled to Paris to discuss it with French President Nicolas Sarkozy ahead of his trip to the region on Monday....
Read it all.
Hamas is at SO much more of a disadvantage than Hezbollah ever was. If they repeat '06 and the people of Israel stand for it - there should be a military coup. The leaders of Israel are TRAITORS. My only hope is that this may be one elaborate deception before massive lightning commando raids. Israel has detailed and outstanding intelligence on Hamas in Gaza (Hamas has myriad blood-enemies there). A child could see at a glance that if Hamas can claim victory (and they will with any kind of 'truce' that leaves them intact) this would be the final blow to the fighting spirit of Israel.
So the massacre of innocent brave poor wise freedom fighters of equality in Gaza by the savage imperialist fascists assholes is over? Oh wait that's in Darfur and nobody seems to care.
Sorry Sderot, political correctness is much more important than you.
Israel is not fighting a recognisable army made up of generals or battalions. They are at war with guerrillas, hiding behind the civilians and in mosques. There is no territory or an army to surrender, there is no truce to sign and there are no war criminals to try.
All Israel can hope for is to destroy enough infrastrucure of terrorists and kill as amny of their leaders in as short a time as possible. If can do this, then its short term aim is achieved.
On the long term, Israel, just like the rest of the world, will never be able to defeat islamists. There can never be a victory against an ideology like islam, under the prevailing world order.
There can never be a victory against an ideology like islam, under the prevailing world order.
Hermit
..."under the prevailing world order." This is correct. So we must change the prevailing world order or we all perish. The prevailing world order is totally corrupt and this can be easily seen anywhere in the world. I must be changed.
The West does not have a concept of victory. All past victories of the West are called racism. All past victories of the non-West are called triumphs over racism. The West can not exclude others and can't even define its own people as its people because that is racism. Everyone is a Westerner who comes here. This can only end in extinction.
That's suicide. International "peacekeepers" always defend whoever is weaker in a conflict, they don't care about the truth.
Hamas wants "open borders." Apparently in the Hamas definition, that means much more than open borders. It means the duty of Israel, a country of less than 8 million, to continue to supply electricity to Gaza, with its 1.5 million people. It means that the daily shipments of food and medicine and other supplies -- which have been coming in even during the last week, by the hundreds of thousands of pounds daily -- are to be resumed at the rate that Hamas deems appropriate. It means that Gazan Arabs are to continue to be treated in Israeli hospitals. It means that Gazan Arabs can go, through those now "open" borders, into Israel -- though Egypt, of course, being a fellow Arab country, will continue to block the entry of Gazan Arabs at will -- and expect to be free of all harm, while any Israeli who enters Gaza, or for that matter any Jews and most other Infidels, should assume that unless he is a known collaborator with the Arabs -- say, an Israeli such as Amira Hass, or any non-Arab UNRWA official, or the truly off-the-charts demented Richard Falk -- he (or she) will be killed.
That's what "Open Borders" as demanded by Hamas means.
It's nonsense.
The lesson of Gaza, which has been completely unoccuppied, in any sense, by Israel since late August 2005, is that this war is without end, and the lesson of Gaza is that whether it is the Fast Jihadists of Hamas, or the Slow Jihadists of Fatah, the war, the Jihad, against Israel goes on, and instead of worrying about winnning, to the slightest, most feigned, and most temporary degree, "Muslim hearts and minds" by giving up tangible assets (and complacently, idiotically thinking, as some terminally naive Israelis apparently do, that "we can always go back in"), that is the "West Bank" that gives Israel the tiniest strategic depth (and already, the Qassem rockets put a million Israelis under threat, required to live with the need to rush to bunkers and other shelters within 15 seconds, which is no way to live).
The lesson of the war in Gaza has not bee understood by the current Israeli government, either by Livni or by Barak. And while there is justifiable pride in Israel's military exploits and pinpoint bombing, the fact that the operation was necessary, after years of appeasement, and after the withdrawal from Gaza, a withdrawal that Barak so favored on terms so unfavorable, with results so predictable, should be kept in mind, and Barak the war-planner praised, while Barak the geopolitician seen for the naif, permanently hopeful, permanently ignorant of Islam, that he is. And the same goes for Livni.
The lesson of Gaza is this: Israel cannot, if it is to survive in conditions of other than demoralizing permanent imperillment, give up control of a single dunam more in the "West Bank" (as Jordan renamed the parts of Judea and Samaria, formerly part of the territory assigned to the Jewish National Home by the League of Nations' Mandatee for Palestine, terrotory the British-trained and British-armed and British-officered Arab Legion (Glubb Pasha, Alec Kirkbride) managed to seize in the 1948-49 war, and held until June 1967).
The invasion routes, the aquifers on which Israel's people depend, the strategic depth, and the morale -- the essential morale -- that would suffer a fatal blow if Israel were pushed back to the ludicrous lines of the 1949 Armistice, because of some misguided notion that it was under some obligationi to do so, that it "owed" the Arabs something, when anyone who studies the history of the area, or the history of the greater Middle East, knows perfectly well that the Arabs, better endowed with states (22 members of the Arab Leauge) than any other people on earth, and better endowed with unearned wealth (some twelve trillion dollars since 1973 alone, and who always and everywhere, because of Islam, deny equal rights to all non-Muslim peoples in their midst, no matter how ancient (Maronites, Kurds, Copts, Mandeans, and many others), and deny equal rights as well to all the Muslim, but non-Arab peoples in their control (Berbers, Kurds, black Africans in Darfur), because Islam is, and must be seen to be, a vehicle for Arab supremacism.
The war in Gaza, whatever the military gains, should not be followed by the Israeli public deciding to reward those whose attitudes and false understandings made the war in Gaza necessaary, and who are determined to draw exactly the wrong conclusions, and "make up for Gaza" by not only continuing to press ahead with that idiotic "peace-processing" with the smyler with the knyf under his cloke, Mahmoud Abbas, but with whatever cheat-and-charmer who succeeeds him.
With all this continuing Israeli idiocy in the political sphere, that always undoes the military triumphs -- basta, basta, basta.
Israel should only engage in short bursts with Hamas, then stop. Wait for a few days, let Hamas fire their rockets, then again engage in short and rapid retaliation, always at night, of its own.
This way they'll wear the public in Gaza strip down, bit by bit.
The longer this "war" continues, the more Israel will loose in world public opinion.
The solution begins with the West's political, military, and media leaders confessing the truth about Islam: that the Source and Sustenance of 1400 years of global jihad is the command of Allah and Mohammed's example.
After that, secure one's own borders by closing them to all who mean us harm and by removing those sympathetic to their cause. Yes, all of them. Neither sedition nor treason are protected by the American Constitution.
Finally, use all means -- economic, political, military -- to suppress the public expression of Islam, just as a defeated Japan was required to endure after its surrender (Ataturk was not ambitious enough). Again, the Constitution does not guarantee the right to destroy the Constitution.
When we finally recognize we are in only the latest phase of Allah's War Against Humanity, then we can begin to defend ourselves properly.
While Caroline Glick is right to condemn the Olmert-Livni-Barak government (there is much to condemn) -- and in particular a potential Prime Minister Tzipi Livni -- it must be acknowledged, Caroline Glick 'might' prefer the Olmert-Livni-Barak government arrange another ignominious ceasefire / surrender, like the one in Lebanon, with these killers. She is a certified Netanyahu supporter. While a Likud led government may or may not deal with the Iranian threat, it is fairly certain a leftist Kadima led government will not deal with this nascent nuclear threat.
"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Hamas has been holding the people of Gaza hostage since what she called an "illegal coup" against Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas...." http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=171061
Palestinians elected the Hamas jihadists. The Palestinians support the jihad.
William Shirer ("The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich") wrote: "National Socialism, notwithstanding the degradation it had brought to Germany and Europe, they (the German people) still accepted and indeed supported, and in Adolf Hitler they saw the country's savior. (page 1082)
Might Dr. Rice have said, the Nazis have been holding the German people hostage since what she called an illegal coup against General Kurt von Schleicher?
With you completely, Hugh.
the post article is a puff piece, which relies on sheer ignorance for its effect. Since when does a Sunni Political Organization, become the instrument of Shia Iran? Or wait, wasn't it the same Iran that was helping the Shia suppress their Sunni brethren in Iraq?
Please, some facts about the Hamas-Iran tie up?
If there's been anyone who is close to Hamas, its Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey.
And the notion that Hamas is going to win, is almost as preposterous as the Orwell epigraph.
Just degrade Hamas from the air. Hamas is hoping the IDF will go in. Hamas has been digging in for years and has a huge stockpile of anti tank weapons that are used against everything IDF....not just tanks and armor
Fake them out and don't give Hamas anything to brag about
As far as air attacks Israel has a good stockpile of laser guided bunker busters. Israel has been mapping Gaza and Lebanon from air and has a good list of targets. Informants are also helping
The Muslim world will be in awe if Israel just conducts an air war and no Jews die at Hamas's hands
And we are reading this news on the 517th anniversary of the completion of the Spanish Reconquista on 2nd January 1492. The Spaniards spent 770 years reclaiming their country from Islamists. We are a bunch of pussies who struggle to spend a meagre seven days trying to neutralise their threat without clamouring for a ceasefire, despite having the power to finish them off as a force for ever inside a week - if only our will hadn't been corroded by 40 or so years of being force-fed with political correctness and multiculturalist junk.
I can't wait to see Condi go. That's all Israel needs: another UN monitored rearming program for an Islamic militia a la Hizbullah, arranged by the State Department. I may be wrong, but I think Hillary will be better.
"Since Tuesday it has become clear that the Olmert-Livni-Barak government has decided to end the war with Iran's Hamas proxy army in Gaza as quickly as possible. That is, the government has decided to lose the war.
Most Israelis are unaware of this state of affairs. In an obvious attempt to bolster the popularity of Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Defense Minister Ehud Barak ahead of the February 10 general elections, the local media have spent the six days since the government launched Operation Cast Lead praising the government's competence and wisdom, and declaring victory over Hamas after every IAF sortie in Gaza."
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Given the deserved reputation Seattle has for "peaceful" protests getting out of hand whilst the police sit around and watch, and the fact that getting behind Israel in this particular instance means I'd be supporting leaders who need to be replaced by a strong Netanyahu administration, I will not be attending the counter-demonstration tomorrow.
In this war, as any, we need to choose our battles wisely.
Tzipi Livni is a vegetarian. No vegetarian can make war properly plus she's female which doesn't help.
Caroline Glick does understand war strategies
NO surprizes here and it is shaping up exactly the way I said that it would. Damned globalists are so predictable.
I am tempted to rage "DAMED JUICE" but that fact of the matter is that the ruling elites in Israel are the same proxy globalists that believe that "police actions" are a viable substitute for victory. They are wrong, and hamas knows it.
Eventually, the globalist strategy will backfire in Israel's face and the "juice" will be facing literal and actual extermination.
As a people, they will have no place to run. Nowhere on earth!
With their cities burning; they're children dying in their streets; and the entire global village against them while the islamic animals butcher them -- the people will have two choices: fight and win; or be exterminated.
I believe they will fight. I believe they will finally fight to win. I believe that their globalist leaders will be executed by the islamist "allies" whom they stupidly hail as "friends" thus leaving the people abandoned totally to face their fate.
In that hour, Israel will be victorious. In that hour, islam will be destroyed and the globalists will be fuming as they behold their "friends" and "allies" destroyed.
In their rage, the globalists may turn to avenge the loss but it will not be.
Damascus Syria: now you see it; soon you won't.
Tzipi Livni is a vegetarian. No vegetarian can make war properly....
Posted by: dennisw
I did not know Livni is a vegetarian. Where did you read this? Wasn't Adolf Hitler a vegetarian? Why can't a vegetarian make war? Livni is a poor leader for other reasons I am certain; chief amongst them is the desire to expel Jews from the Holy Land and establish a Muslim terror state. This hasn't anything to do with diet. Or does it have to do with a diet of absorbing lunatic ideas of peace processors? The Bible appears to recommend vegetarianism in the book of Genesis and it recommends it in the kingdom age: "The wolf will dwell with the lamb... the leopard will like down with the kid.... they will neither hurt nor destroy in My Holy Mountain...." (Isa chapter 11)
The Almighty is the greatest warrior of them all. If He recommends vegetarianism as the ideal, why can't a vegetarian be a great warrior?
A ground war is only possible if your in there to win, war is hell, and you cant make gestures of niceness. you need a Sherman to go over Gaza, burn them out totally, if you dont go in there with a will to win, you have lost, otherwise keep bombing from the air, at least you can save some face.
What is interesting to me is how on the one hand you dismiss Hamas; they are inferior, they have crude weapons and Israel (if it wanted to) could wipe them off the face of this duniya.
Then on the other hand Israel is dismissed for not fighting enough, fighting a war it cannot win, the ceasefire is called off too easily or that the wrong enemy is chosen blah blah.
When the fighting ends, that despite the losses of Hamas, you all declare that Hamas won that round; but just you wait till next time.
And ofcourse the same thing happens next time but Hamas had better weapons that next time.
Following this logic to it's conclusion; There will come a time ofcourse, when there is no next time; Hamas will be delcared the winner than too, like all previous rounds.
I'm sorry to have to announce to you but Islam simply cannot be beaten, but you already know this, don't you.
Wild Jew
I have no problem with vegetarianism. Some claim it is very healthful at least for them and has cured ills. Just look at India with the meat eating Muslim aggressors and the more peaceful Hindus who are vegetarian or not heavy meat eaters
Or the Apaches & Comanches who ate 70% meat diets. They were fierce warriors. Navajoes and Hopi were more agricultural, ate less meat and were more peaceful. More easily subdued by the US Army
It was beatn stone-cold-dead once in history; islam will be destroyed forever soon enough.
Enjoy you victories -- you will have a few more to come -- but you will absolutely lose.
Winning battles and winning wars are two different things entirely.
Wars are won when the enemy is defeated decisively. The rockets will only stop being fired into Israel when the cost of firing those rockets becomes more then those firing the rockets can bear. According to published reports any time a rocket is fired, Israel has pounded the rocket launcher within seconds that is what should be done no matter where Hamas locates its launchers.Israel can decide to win the war now or fight this same war again in six months to two years.This is an enemy that will not stop until it is crushed and made to stop.Any offer of a truce should be rejected since according to Mohammed "war is deception" therefore a truce with a Muslim is worthless.
Just look at India with the meat eating Muslim aggressors and the more peaceful Hindus who are vegetarian or not heavy meat eaters...Or the Apaches & Comanches who ate 70% meat diets. They were fierce warriors. Navajoes and Hopi were more agricultural, ate less meat and were more peaceful. More easily subdued by the US Army
Posted by: dennisw
You raise an interesting point. Does meat-eating make a people more violent or aggressive? Perhaps. Maybe there are some who are knowledgeable about Hinduism on this forum. I've not studied the religion in detail. It seems there is a pacifist tendency in some of these eastern religion, quite apart from diet. I have often wondered whether Jesus absorbed some of these eastern pacifist ideas. The notion of turning the other cheek, not resisting evil and praying for one's enemies is no where to be found in the Hebrew law or the prophets. Nonetheless, Christianity has not been pacifist by and large. Maybe it is because Christians have the Old Testament?
dennisw, for me, this has nothing to do with diet. My faith is based on the law of Moses. In Deuteronomy God tells Moses to destroy the savage enemy. I believe what Israel is facing is every bit as savage as the ancient Canaanites whom many Palestinians leaders claim descent.
God told Moses to destroy the enemy and to drive them out of the land lest He (God) do to the Israelites as He intended to do to Israel's enemies. We either obey God or don't, regardless of our diet, it seems to me.
There were people -- maybe there still are -- that eat blood. I've can remember videos of Syrian soldiers in training, biting off the heads of animals, like puppies (even snakes) and eating the blood soaked flesh; drinking the blood, etc. The Bible commands that we not eat blood. Why do you think that is?
I'm sorry to have to announce to you but Islam simply cannot be beaten, but you already know this, don't you.
Posted by: keeping low
your name is correct, you are very very low. as long as haam boys and hiz boys are in holes, islamists are the loser. the light of knowledge destroys the facist death cult you follow.
dennisw, it now just occurred to me. During the 40 some odd year Exodus and journey through the Sinai, the Hebrews ate manna, with few exceptions. Joshua was a great warrior and military strategist.
dennisw, for me, this has nothing to do with diet. My faith is based on the law of Moses. In Deuteronomy God tells Moses to destroy the savage enemy. I believe what Israel is facing is every bit as savage as the ancient Canaanites whom many Palestinians leaders claim descent.
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I'm Jewish and totally respect your attitude
You and others can rise above any generalizations I make about meat eating
The Muslim meat eaters conquered the more vegetarian Hindus and killed 80,000,000 in the process. Sure many meat eaters are peaceful. I'm making generalizations
I am not making a judgment on this war but the Vietnam war had the meat eating Americans slam into Vietnam which was a more vegetarian civilization
How about smoking? It repulses me but we won WW2 because of it. Warriors need cigarettes to calm nerves and relieve stress. I'll bet there were few pilots who did not smoke in WW2. It also concentrates the mind
There were people -- maybe there still are -- that eat blood. I've can remember videos of Syrian soldiers in training, biting off the heads of animals, like puppies (even snakes) and eating the blood soaked flesh; drinking the blood, etc. The Bible commands that we not eat blood. Why do you think that is?
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Probably due to Judaism being a reaction to the pagan human sacrifice of the time. The way Islam wages war has a human sacrifice component
You must read this---->>>
http://tinyurl.com/a82czu
The default religion of human beings is the practice of human sacrifice (cf. here and here). This is a pathological virus planted deep in the heart of the human species, which has been given insufficient attention by both theologians and morally relative anthro-apologists. Virtually all primitive cultures and ancient civilizations engaged in it. For reasons I try to explain in my book, there is something spontaneously "holy" or "sacred" in the taking of innocent human life.
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Obviously, the foundation stone of the whole Judeo-Christian tradition -- where it all begins in the timeless archetypal realm -- is the injunction against human sacrifice, when God tells Abraham not to kill him a son out on Highway 61. Superficially, Christianity may be seen as a resuscitation of the sacrificial motif, with the murder of the innocent Jesus, but in reality, this is clearly intended to convey the idea that when we murder innocence, we murder God. The crucifixion of Jesus is meant to be the last human sacrifice, in such a way that our murderous impulses are sublimated. (Bailie's Violence Unveiled: Humanity at the Crossroads extends the idea of Jesus as universal scapegoat for our sacrificial violence.)
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I'm sorry to have to announce to you but Islam simply cannot be beaten, but you already know this, don't you.
Posted by: keeping low [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 2, 2009 2:16 PM
You total and complete Islamic Barbarian a**hole.
Islam is a pile of stinking hate-filled camel dung, and it WILL be beaten. As always.
(No offense against camels).
Tzipi Livni is a vegetarian. No vegetarian can make war properly plus she's female which doesn't help... dennisw
There's been a number of posts about this so I will be brief...A vegetarian diet does not cloud ones ability to act, or dull the concept of self defense.
I am a vegetarian for fourty years, and can beat up any 80 year old woman in town.
Some people are vegetarians for health reasons, others out of a sense of morality, that it is wrong to kill animals for food. No vegetarian that I know
thinks that self defense is wrong...
No vegetarian can make war properly plus she's female which doesn't help... dennisw
That sexist remark is really annoying.
Dhimmi Carter is a male, and look at him. So, shut up with your sexist commentary.
I'm sorry to have to announce to you but Islam simply cannot be beaten, but you already know this, don't you.
Posted by: keeping low
I'm sorry to announce this to you, but that's an idiotic, and defeatist statement.
I would suggest ...'Keeping'...that if you want to surrender, go to the nearest mosque and beg their forginess, then convert to show your sincerity.
If you do that, Mohammad will protect your tribe and your possessions...
There's been a number of posts about this so I will be brief...A vegetarian diet does not cloud ones ability to act, or dull the concept of self defense....I am a vegetarian for forty years, and can beat up any 80 year old woman in town.
Some people are vegetarians for health reasons, others out of a sense of morality, that it is wrong to kill animals for food. No vegetarian that I know thinks that self defense is wrong...
Posted by: duh_swami
Since you went first, I will follow. I am a "struggling" vegetarian of sorts for better than 25 year. I have compassion for animals, especially cats, but I am not an extremist. I am not a vegan either. I try. The fact that I am not a regular meat eater in no way makes me a pacifist. My late father used to mock me when we discussed Israel and all the Palestinian suicide bombings all the while Bush urged restraint. Dad would ridicule me saying: "KILL THEM! KILL THEM ALL!" ... as though this was my intention.
All this mockery, I endured only months before the 9/11/2001 jihadist atrocities in New York and Washington. After 9/11 my wise father said no more. He began to see the light so to speak. Dad was a huge George W. Bush supporter nonetheless.
Hmmm... Let me see. Tofu or filet mignon?
I just hope the Israelis are doing a little taquiyya of their own.
ABS
لن استسلم
Drewbenstein: Let me see. Tofu or filet mignon?
Put enough salt and pepper and steak sauce on your tofu (heavy on the steak sauce) and you can't tell the difference...
Actually I don't eat tofu either as I don't eat soy or soy products...
The Israeli government would do well to listen to Geert Wilders' advice.
He remarked, bluntly, re. Hamas and all their works and days: "Kick the whole lot into the Sinai".
And if I were the IAF I would hit every single known Mosque in the Gaza Strip with bunker busters. Given the spectacular secondary explosions which have followed the hitting of two mosques there so far, it's a safe bet that every one of the others is also stuffed to the gunwales with armaments.
Hamas and all other jihadis everywhere else in the lands of the Infidel should be made to take note: mosques are no longer sacrosanct, since Infidels have begun to suspect that mosques are not churches, synagogues or temples, but something else again, something different...something EVIL.
Further note: the louder Hamas and their supporters yell, the harder and the more often the IAF should hit them. If they (Hamas) do call for a ceasefire...ignore it, keep on hitting, all they want is time to regroup and rearm, as per classical Muslim war theory.
And power, water, and supplies, that come in from the Israeli side should be shut off. And no more access, for Gazan Arab Muslims, to Israeli hospitals. End, once and for all, the de facto jizya - which is how it is undoubtedly seen by the Muslim recipients of this utterly undeserved charity from the Jews.
Would the Allies have supplied food and medicine to Munich, or to Berlin, during the final devastating years of World War II? Would injured SS soldiers have been flown to Britain for the best of hospital care?
Watch 'The Dam Busters'. Thousands of 'innocent' Germans, including sweet little blond-haired children with big blue eyes, died downstream from those dams in the devastating floods released when the dam walls were breached by British bouncing bombs. But who would deny that that act of destruction, by damaging Germany's ability to make war, helped hasten the defeat of Germany...and therefore, among other things, hastened the end of the extermination camps, the end of the enslavement of non-Aryans, the end of the cruel German occupation of France and Denmark and the Netherlands, etc?
Let Gaza receive food, water, power, medical care, from its Muslim neighbours ONLY and not from Israel; let's see the Egyptian Arab Muslims show, to their brother Gazan Arab Muslims, some of that 'compassion' that Quran 48:29 says they're supposed to display to fellow Muslims (whereas, of course, cruelty, harshness, is supposed to characterise Muslim behaviour towards non-Muslims)
And if not...the weaker Hamas gets, the angrier its populace gets, the better, and the sooner this mess can be brought to an end.
Israel demanding that foreign troops act as a buffer in any cease fire is nothing more than calling Europes bluff.
Have a little faith. There is no place for hamas to run, except Egypt.ll
The only defense Hamas has is the Press who shill for them. Their narative is beginning fray.
Darcy says "You total and complete Islamic Barbarian a**hole".
And a happy new year to you too Mr. Darcy.
Ofcourse from your comment I am to imply that you are not the greatest fan of Islam; there there anger is not good for the soul or the afterlife.
All muslims are not bad, just like all christians are not bad. If you are christian then we share the same history and ancestors; elderly brothers if you will.
As for Israel, I have no problems with it's existence, I just think it's in the wrong place. As so many jews were killed by the Germans; it would be have been right and proper to carve some of that country and created Israel there. This would have left a lasting legacy and irony there.
Another great advantage; no rockets either.
Skeptic, Hamas IS an Iranian proxy. They're parasites. They certainly bite the non-Muslim hands that feed them at every opportunity, but the fact of the matter is that those Qassams and whatever the longer-range rockets are called literally have Iran's stamp on them. They get their weapons from wherever they can. Parasites don't discriminate. Hamas is an Iran proxy, as is Hezbollah. Sure, Hamas, Fatah, and Hezbollah are all different in terms of strategy and sect, but they're all united against Israel. Samir Kuntar, a Hezbollah Druze, was praised all over Al Jizz, regardless of the fact that he's no Sunni. He killed Jews. That's all they care about. Hitler killed Jews and he's a hero to all Muslims. He wasn't Muslim. He just killed Jews. Sectarian and ideological differences matter little when there's a jihad to be carried out, especially against Israel. I don't think you understand the extent of Islamic Jew-hatred. I have no illusions about Muslim psychology and I still can't wrap my head around that kind of hate. Strike up a conversation with an Indonesian or Paki Muslim who has never even met a Jew and you'll see what I mean.
Wild Jew, I would have pegged you as being for Likud. I agree that vegetarians can fight. I am living proof. I did a paper on vegetarianism in the OT when I was in high school. It is definitely recommended.
Dennisw wrote: The Muslim world will be in awe if Israel just conducts an air war and no Jews die at Hamas's hands.
No, they'll be in denial, just like still are about 9/11 and the Yom Kippur War. They will simply claim that more Israelis were killed than actually exist, that Hamas is infallible, and that they won like they think they did in 1973 (stpo laughing; they really think that).
Witness, what's this "once" stuff? Islam has never beaten the West, at least, not since they took Spain, and they ultimately lost that.
keeping low (actually, your moniker should be 'boasting and skiting')
quit talking nonsense. No-one's buying. All that stuff is sooo old hat.
Islam is not an Abrahamic religion at all. Indeed, its texts explicitly teach Muslims to hate, hold in contempt, and ATTACK Jews and Christians until and unless those Jews and Christians have been killed off, or join the ranks of those who are bullying them (by converting to the Muslim Mob), or surrender and agree to pay extremely expensive 'protection' money to the sneering, bullying, stomping Muslim Ubermenschen (who will continue to despise and abuse them, no matter how much jizya they pay). Nonie Darwish reports upon the cursing prayers that she heard in mosques while she was growing up, curses explicitly called down upon Jews and Christians; curses that, far from being the exception, were the norm.
Islam is a religion of merciless and exterminating war, the Arab Imperial Religion, and appears also to be a de facto human sacrifice cult (the Designated Victims being non-Muslims and, if there are no non-Muslims whether dhimmis or next-door-neighbours handy to be ritually murdered upon trumped-up excuses, the role is supplied by Muslim women ['honor kilings', stonings for 'adultery', execution of rape victims, etc] and Muslims who may be declared insufficiently-Islamic, again, upon all-too-easily-trumped-up excuses). That much is plainly evident from the texts, from the character of Mohammed as depicted in the texts, and from the oceans of human blood that Islam has shed every year for the 1400 years or so that it has been in existence.
Jews are not native to Germany. Jews are a native middle eastern people and the only country they have ever truly called 'home' is the land of Israel. According to Judaism it is a mitzvah - a good deed - to live in the land of Israel; which is why some Jews kept on returning from the diaspora to Israel, even during the worst periods of the Muslim imperium, under which they [the Jewish pilgrims and returners] knew that they would be treated abominably.
The land of Israel is Jewish traditional land, every inch of which is saturated with Jewish (or, more broadly, Hebrew, Biblical) history. (not myth, HISTORY), and peppered with JEWISH, HEBREW sacred sites...which were seized, and claimed, by imperialistic Muslim Arab and then, later, Muslim Turkish INVADERS AND OCCUPIERS, who treated the original inhabitants, the indigenous Jews, Samaritans and Romano-Byzantine Christians, like sh*t, and worse than sh*t.
Eventually Jews who had fled to other lands, and there regained strength and numbers, gained confidence to return to their homeland and liberate it, along with such of their fellow Jews as had survived there all along. If the Tibetans returned from exile in sufficient force and booted out the occupying mass-murdering Chinese imperialists, liberating the holy city of Lhasa and the surviving Tibetan inhabitants, would you weep for the plight of the Chinese colonists?
I don't weep for the Arab/ Muslim supremacist imperialists who have been forced - by the Jewish Israeli Dhimmi Revolt - to cough up just one little tiny bit of the vast lands that they have gobbled up, and ruined, in their bloody rampage through three continents; in all of which they [Arab Muslims, Muslims generally] have treated the indigenous peoples with horrible cruelty and either wiped them out, or reduced them to tiny, beleaguered, oppressed 'religious minorities' or, worst of all, so totally annihilated their history, language and identity that their victims now think they are 'Arabs' and carry on the vicious Muslim Arab imperial program against others (see Sudan where black 'Arab' Muslims mass-murder and enslave black non-Muslims and 'inferior' black non-Arab Muslims).
The Jews seized back a percentage of ancestral historic Jewish land, namely, eretz Israel, and liberated from Muslim imperial oppression the dhimmi Jews who were living there already.
I only wish the Jews would finish the job of 'decolonisation' and reversal of Arab imperialism, and boot all the Arab Muslim supremacist barbarian invaders and occupiers out of 1. Judea (ever wondered where that name came from? - hint: Judah) and Samaria and 2. GAZA.
Arabic-speaking Christians from Gaza, Judea and Samaria should be free to stay, so long as they publicly forswear Judenhass. They will be treated decently within the Jewish state; they were NEVER treated decently under Islam and they are NOT being treated decently nowadays by Muslims, either under Hamas in Gaza, nor under Fatah in Judea and Samaria.
this vegan diet actually people do not do as well on it, articles about it, are in News Max.
Read a book called "Eat right for your blood type", people with O blood, need meat protien, people from the middle east and further east have more A and B blood types and do better with cereal diets.
North AMerican Indians are mostly O neg. and when they killed their animals is was quick and they thanked their animals's soul for the meat they will consume.
they have repsect for the animal. So your theory about muslims being murderous because they eat meat cannot be used. You can be humane to animals and still eat meat.
Darcy is a woman, dipshit. And a fiery patriot, at that.
"If you are Christian then we share the same history and ancestors; elderly brothers if you will." --the Mohammedan "keeping low"
We share nothing of the sort. As dda said above, Islam is NOT an Abrahamic religion. Islam didn't exist until the early 7th century AD, invented by a Warlord Con Man seeking power as a prophet. The reason that neither Muzlims nor Islam are mentioned in the Bible is because - NEITHER EXISTED! Hello! And, as far as "allah" goes - that's your Arab moon god, a pagan idol, that doesn't exist. No, we share NOTHING. Thank God. The only true God, the Judeo-Christian God.
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Darcy is a woman, dipshit. And a fiery patriot, at that.
Posted by: undaunted at January 2, 2009 8:26 PM
Yeah!
P.S. Israel is exactly where it should be. In fact, the entire Middle East should STILL be Judeo-Christian. It's Islam that's in the "wrong place," indeed, Islam shouldn't be anywhere, as Naziism and Fascism shouldn't be anywhere. The world would be a much better place if Mohamet had never lived. The same as if Hitler had never lived.
In recent times, Islam has been ruining the world since September 11, 2001. Islam just keeps on murdering and mass-murdering innocent people. Islam is diabolical, it IS of the devil, and it WILL be stopped.
Israel is fighting the same enemy that attacked New York, Washington, Spain, London, Scotland, France, Bali, Egypt, Jordan, England and Mumbai. An enemy which embraces the satanic verses of the Muslim Koran calling for a global Jihad or Holy War against all who are not Islamic. Against every Jewish and Christian family. Against Buddhists and Hindus. Islam MUST BE STOPPED and it will be.
I'm sorry to have to announce to you but Islam simply cannot be beaten, but you already know this, don't you.
Posted by: keeping low at January 2, 2009 2:16 PM
excuse me keeping low...but when has islam ever won? truly islam is for the losers...where has an islamic victory been a good thing? never!! nowhere!! if islam should by shear luck win a battle..it always loses the war..always!! this is obvious especially in islam vs. juice..it is impossible for the islamists to win a war aginst the juice...so this is why they (islam) reverts to suicide bombers and their quran sanctions it as well...keeping low...islam always has and always will lose. FYI..islam will be banned in the west in my lifetime and i'm 44 yr. old..so once again islam loses..